The DMZ

Scott Pack

00:14

Sure, @Iszi may be the 3rd on that ranking, but I wonder what his rep/character count is :)

Stack Exchange

nealmcb

Yay - xkcd alerts!

Scott Pack

00:40

Well, that was rather unexpected behavior.

nealmcb

00:52

@ScottPack Well it prompted me to finally look that leukemia trial "serial killer cell" story up: Penn Medicine News: Genetically Modified "Serial Killer" T Cells Obliterate Tumors in Patients with Chronic Lymphocytic Leukemia, Penn Researchers Report

Iszi

02:08

@ScottPack Third, which ranking, huh?

@StackExchange Woohoo! Thanks, @ScottPack!

nealmcb

03:25

Sigh. mybart.org hacked by anonymous, who note that "none of the info, including the passwords, was encrypted". djmash.at/release/users.html

this.josh

05:14

@Iszi Joel Spolsky was Program Manager on the Microsoft Excel team between 1991 and 1994

this.josh

05:28

@AviD Did you take that from my paranoia=11 answer?

@nealmcb Not supprised. Last technical encounter I had with BART they were running a signaling protocol on the track at 300 bps.

Stack Exchange

Stack Overflow Blog: Gorilla vs. Shark

Posted by Jeff Atwood on August 15th, 2011

Who would win in a fight between a Gorilla and a Shark?

OK, maybe you’re thinking that’s a ridiculous question. Perhaps it is. But various forms of this question get asked all the time. Consider this now-ancient Stack Overflow question titled Python v. Perl:

Okay, so I’m finally making the jump into scripting languages and I have decided to focus on either Python or Perl. The problem is: I don’t know which to cut my teeth on.

Most of my programming experience is in C, Java, and C++. There’s no specific task I would be learning Python/Perl for, other that possibly applying it to my dev work to make life easier in general. …

M'vy

07:49

hi therer

Graham Lee

09:18

@RoryAlsop @AviD was uneasy with that question, because it seemed rambling and pointless. I would have closed as NaRQ too.

M'vy

09:31

Hi @GrahamLee! what question?

Graham Lee

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Q: I'm owned. I think there is spyware on my ubuntu machine

A group of people (not the government) posts certain uncommon phrases that I use in my emails, as well as follows me on sites I visit. I also believe they have access to the microphone/webcam. I don't blindly download things from the internet. It was running 10.04, but recently (this month) I u...

M'vy

Oh I think I flagged this one

But as off-topic.

Would have call for migration to SU but there is no migration list ATM.

hm. I've two-factor authentication on gmail now. Could be nice to have it for windows logon screen.

Greg

Good morning

Graham Lee

I'm not sure it really belongs at SU either. I was tempted to migrate to skeptics.

M'vy

Hi @Greg

Graham Lee

09:41

Hi @Greg

Greg

Using OAuth for the first time today

M'vy

grats?

M'vy

10:10

hm

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Q: Are there state-of-the-art techniques or theory specifically for attacking passphrases over passwords?

With passphrases becoming more and more common based on length being more important than complexity, I'm assuming there must be some work going on involving techniques aimed specifically at cracking / auditing passphrases which would differ to some degree from the traditional methods for attackin...

passwords research audit

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Q: Are there some good papers (or discussions) on using Markov chains or Hidden Markov Models for password auditing/cracking?

As a programmer and language enthusiast I've been very interested in Markov chains for some time. Considering the influence of natural language on password and passphrase selection (by humans of course) I would like to know the state of the art in applying Markov Chains and Hidden Markov Models t...

passwords brute-force theory entropy

Seems very close. Can't say it's a dupe, but at lesat I thing the newest (1st posted here) should refer the second.

Scott Pack

11:31

@Iszi @Rory linked off to a query on the data site. It spits out the top 500 users sorted by average score per answer. I.e., how good a quality answerer are you -- data.stackexchange.com/it%20security/s/95/…

I made the rep/character joke since your questions have a tendency to be rather...verbose. :)

All that migration chatter brings up an interesting question.

Where should our dumping ground of shite questions be? SO uses SF, SF uses SU...so which one should we use? I could go with Skeptics, but it seems a bit of a stretch.

M'vy

12:02

golden Rule: Do NOT migrate crap

Graham Lee

12:12

Golden rule 0: do not write crap ;)

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Thomas Pornin

12:46

@ScottPack Are the query results affected by the rep daily cap ?

Iszi

@thisjosh Huh? Not sure I follow how that relates...

Graham Lee

@thisjosh not sure you need to know where a train is at 300Hz, let alone more frequently

of course, it helps if you know that the signal returns are all due to trains, and that all of the trains are identified...

Iszi

@ScottPack Wow. @RoryAlsop has got to be, by quite a margin, the top answerer based on answers posted alone - but he's #21 in rep per answer!

S&M, here?

0

Q: I am thinking of taking a 5 day chfi course - are they worthwhile

I am interested in the area of computer forensics and would like to get to a basic level of competence quickly. A qualification would indicate to me I had got to the first rung. I would not necessarily want to take a job but it's an interest. So ... Is there any advice of chfi, and the fast co...

education forensics

M'vy

S&M?

Iszi

@Mvy S&A (Subjective & Argumentative) really. Kinda developed around here the same way "pwned" came into existence.

M'vy

13:00

Well I was wondering if we shall close this one or not. Does it relates to an online course?

Iszi

Y'know, too many people with their minds set on topic-4

Oh, wait... I see. Seriously, what's up with people that don't capslock acronyms? Been trying to figure out what the hell a chuh-fee is for the past ten minutes.

@Mvy I think it runs probably afoul of rules on S&A, NaRQ, and (sort of) "shopping".

...and I still don't have close-votes? Man, I need to answer some questions or something.

M'vy

Well last time we agreed to accept a question on education if it was available worldwide

Iszi

@Mvy Link?

M'vy

1

Q: Distance Education Programs in Digital Forensics

I am looking for a distance education program with the end product being a Masters of Science in Digital Forensics. I looked through the site and did not find any results, and was hoping since most people here are in the industry, someone might know a couple more. I only know UCF's Msc in Digita...

forensics career academia

Does not seems to interest answerers though

Iszi

@Mvy Further justification for close on this one. They're both pretty much the same question, just with slightly different goals in mind.

M'vy

13:07

well..so dupe?

Iszi

@Mvy I don't think I'd say they're dupe. Just... what's the term these days? "Not Constructive"?

M'vy

hm

Iszi

Actually, yeah. They're pretty much dupe, now that I re-read.

One guy wants a CHFI, the other is looking for a program in "digital forensics"... Close enough.

M'vy

Ok go for it.

Iszi

@Mvy Go for what? All I can do is flag - can't even vote-close it! And I definitely don't have a mod-hammer.

M'vy

13:12

@Iszi I flagged it

Iszi

Although I will be flagging as "not constructive" on both.

That they happen to be duplicates really doesn't matter much if neither has value to this site on their own.

M'vy

Humm. I'm thinking whether CW would be appropriate here

Iszi

@Mvy Different question?

M'vy

No same. To make a list of courses review

Iszi

I'd say no. If the question isn't even getting one answer to begin with, CW isn't going to help it any.

M'vy

13:14

But maybe it's not worth it

Scott Pack

@ThomasPornin Based on the SQL, it shouldn't matter. It looks like it just does a simple post score average.

Iszi

Okay, I may be mis-remembering something. But, could someone explain this to me?

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A: How is it possible that people observing an HTTPS connection being established wouldn't know how to decrypt it?

I think of the six answers already up, gowenfawr's explains it best. Read that first as this is simply an addendum. On Diffie-Hellman Several answers mention Diffie-Helman exchanges. These are implemented in a minority of exchanges. A DH exchange is signed by the server's key to prevent a MITM ...

Here, it's said that D-H is meant to prevent MITM. But, in previous studies, I could swear that I'd either read or been told that D-H is specifically vulnerable to a MITM attack?

M'vy

@Iszi You sure about that?

Iszi

The vulnerability being that the two parties don't authenticate to each other prior to key exchange.

M'vy

Well, I must say: DH does not authenticate

Jeff Ferland

14:09

@Iszi I can explain it (since I said it)

The DH exchange can only be authenticated when signed by the RSA key

M'vy

RSA key that needs to be in a certificate and signed by a Certification Authority.

Or in another authentication scheme.

Jeff Ferland

... or previously known, at least

HMAC maybe. That'd work too.

M'vy

Anyway you can be sure that the public key belongs to the right person

Jeff Ferland

Be kind of backwards using a symmetric signing, though. I guess that's why I've never seen it.

Iszi

@ScottPack So, you gonna build that query?

Scott Pack

14:17

@Iszi It already exists, but I can't seem to find it now.

Oo! I have it on my screen at home. Let's see if this fancy dancy FirefoxSync thing works

Iszi

@ScottPack Never did the tab synching. Usually if something's on my screen at home, I just RDP to it.

Scott Pack

You Windows people :)

Iszi

Or you could SSH, or VNC, or whatever you *nix guys do...

Jeff Ferland

Sometimes I read my emails using grep...

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Scott Pack

I would have to VNC, which I just have never much liked doing.

I was a big time mutt fan until I started having to access shared mailboxes. I started hitting my limits of interest in fiddling.

Thomas Pornin

14:21

@JeffFerland There is an enhanced version called PAKE

Scott Pack

@Iszi The real nice thing about the tab sync stuff is that I have access to the tabs on systems that aren't running. Like my laptop, which is sleeping my bag.

Thomas Pornin

It is key exchange with password-based authentication, but not vulnerable to dictionary attacks

Iszi

@ScottPack Ah yeah... that's cool. That's kind of the whole reason I was thinking about WoWLAN yesterday. Sometimes I put my laptop to sleep at night and forget to wake it in the morning before I leave for work.

So, for now I have to use Wo3G (a.k.a.: Call the wife).

Scott Pack

@Iszi I leave one system on all the time, but it's my general purpose media/git/web/junk server. I'm fine with the user systems sleeping whenever they want.

Iszi

Anyone else seeing something wrong with this statement?

"Within a single cable, each colored pair will also have different twist lengths based on prime numbers so that no two twists ever align."

M'vy

14:35

Wait... what?

Iszi

howtogeek.com/70494/…

M'vy

Oh I get it

Or I think. What is bothering you @Iszi?

Iszi

@Mvy The "...no to twists ever align" part. Though it may be possible to prevent this for one cable up to a certain length, I doubt it's possible to guarantee it for any given mass-produced cable or bulk cable.

This especially if you're relying on the twist length alone.

M'vy

hm

Iszi

What you should actually be doing, I think, is using the same twist length but staggering the first twist.

M'vy

14:44

I won't argue on this. I'm not very proficient in cable manufacturing :P

Iszi

(i.e.: Twist every 0.5 cm, start blue at 0 cm, orange at 0.1 cm, brown at 0.2 cm, etc.)

@Mvy I'm no expert on the topic either, but I'd think this is just a matter of plain logic.

M'vy

I wonder how the twists are done by the way

Jeff Ferland

@Iszi No, that's bad. Then you get the same wave building but with a different phase

That would basically make a twisty en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beverage_antenna

Iszi

@JeffFerland Ah, so it's not just about twists coinciding with each other, then?

M'vy

If you have twist that are multiple of each other, that may interfere as well

Like with notes and harmonics

Iszi

14:49

Maybe I'm just mis-interpreting the "no to twists ever align" bit. I took it to be meaning that a twist in pair A should never occur at the same point in the cable as a twist in any other pair.

M'vy

I think they mean it in term of "frequency"

Think if you twist 1 per cm and 2 per cm on another wire, the mutual crossing will happens in each cms

But if you have prime numbers, this will be more irregular

Jeff Ferland

@Iszi notice in the photo that the number of twists is different for each one. Harmonic interference is a bitch.

Iszi

@JeffFerland Yeah, I see that. What I'm saying is that, at some point in the cable, a twist in the orange pair will line up with a twist in the blue pair, etc.

So, either the statement is mis-worded or mistaken, or I'm mis-interpreting it.

Thomas Pornin

@Iszi As i understand it, interference will generate extra signals with wave length multiple of the twist length (the length of wire for a full rotation)

M'vy

You cannot avoid it. But you can limit it

Thomas Pornin

14:53

we want to avoid two such signals with the same wave length on two distinct pairs

this will happen necessarily, given a long enough cable

Iszi

@ThomasPornin Now that makes sense.

Thomas Pornin

but by using ratios which are prime to each other, we can make this "long enough" longer than the actual cable length.

Jeff Ferland

@Iszi So, consider radio theory for a moment here. A 1/4 wave 440 Mhz antenna is an 1/8 wave 880 Mhz antenna. Every other pulse will match up, even if out of phase (sending with, say, a 1/3 separation). A 650 Mhz signal and a 440Mhz antenna will be a bad match, though. Sometimes a pulse will line up, but it will be very infrequent.

M'vy

We can add: we want to avoid having two signals with a wave length that is a multiple of another wave on distinct wire.

Iszi

@JeffFerland Yeah, even though I've got my Tech license, there's a lot I need to learn about radio theory yet.

Jeff Ferland

14:55

Another factor: Cable length is limited by spec because of two factors: Attenuation and accumulated noise. The longer the cable, the more noise it will collect. The longer the cable, the less signal will get through it.

@Iszi KB1PNB

If the cable is harmonically aligned, it'll get a lot of noise really damned fast. Also, look at balanced / unbalanced lines.

Iszi

@JeffFerland You on Twitter?

Jeff Ferland

@Iszi @jbferland

Iszi

@JeffFerland "Jeff REDACTED"?

Jeff Ferland

@Iszi It's just enough to keep Google from making that show up in searches, but make it obvious who I am.

Iszi

Follow-back and I'll DM my call.

Jeff Ferland

15:02

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Q: Bothunter and other Botnet Detection software

Please I am having problem downloading bothunter to be uesd for hunting down botnets on the network. I can seem to get a link from them. Please do anyone know a direct link to get the software . Also are there any good botnet detection software that can be used on the network .

ids intrusion botnet

Kill

Iszi

@JeffFerland Aside from being poorly composed and a little ambiguous... why?

Jeff Ferland

@Iszi lmgtfy.com/?q=bothunter

Really, the bar should be higher than that kind of answer.

Iszi

@JeffFerland Yeah, you don't want to give that as an answer, but I don't think we generally shoot down those questions just because they're "simple".

Down-vote, sure. But not close-worthy.

Jeff Ferland

Alright, I'll write something real up...

Slow day at work and all.

Iszi

Oh, wait... I see the OP's problem.

He seems to be saying that after he submits the request form, he never gets the download link in e-mail like he's supposed to.

Jeff Ferland

15:07

@Iszi Noscript?

Iszi

@JeffFerland That may be creating problems with form submission, I guess. Usually though, you can tell when that's the case though.

Rory Alsop

@Iszi Yup - like I said quantity over quality:-(

@Iszi that one is Security, right?

Iszi

@RoryAlsop No. At least, not as I understand it.

Topic 2 is food, 3 is alcohol, right?

Rory Alsop

heh

Iszi

So, if 1 isn't Security then what is it?

Scott Pack

15:16

@Iszi I think you need to rotate that

Traditionally the topics have been: Food, Alcohol, Security - in that order

Jeff Ferland

Hmmm... interesting statistic. I'm going to go read all of Iszi's answers now :)

Iszi

@ScottPack Then what's this?

Aug 12 at 14:22, by M'vy

Q: How can I harden my drinking configuration? hardening topic-3

I've heard food as Topic 2 quite a bit also.

Scott Pack

Well, we're talking about counting/engineering and the French

I suppose Alcohol could be topic #1

Jeff Ferland

... wait, are the answers of greater quality, or are they an example of answering popular topics?

Scott Pack

It certainly was in the early days of chat :)

Iszi

15:18

@JeffFerland Never can tell around here.

Rory Alsop

:-)

????, Food, Alcohol, Security... wasn't that it

?

Iszi

@RoryAlsop I guess that would fit in with what I can recall, since I don't think I've ever heard topic 1 exactly specified.

Rory Alsop

@Iszi fixed it :-)

Scott Pack

I can live with Food being more important than Alcohol.

room topic changed to The DMZ: General discussion for security.stackexchange.com [food] [libations] [security]

Iszi

@RoryAlsop Well, smut's gotta fit in there somewhere. How else did we end up with S&A = S&M?

Jeff Ferland

15:22

@ScottPack So, virtual DEFCON?

Scott Pack

@Iszi I think smut fits into topic #3 quite well. Or, at least, based on the majority of my investigations.

@JeffFerland Sounds like a wiener!

Iszi

@ScottPack LOL as I glance at the "pr0n cabinet" to my left.

M'vy

I've been told : #1 food, #2 you know what it is, #3 drinks

Iszi

I think we really need to establish this now, as there's quite some confusion... like, how it's always supposed to be U.S. Eastern time in here.

Scott Pack

Sounds like a meta.chat.stackexchange.com post?

In completely unrelated news. I don't much care for writing SysV scripts

M'vy

15:27

No here it's always UTC time : Chat Universal Time

Scott Pack

With the French style acronyms. Perfect! :)

M'vy

(That is for the analogy with regard to the reality... wait the what?)

Iszi

@ScottPack Good call, there.

Scott Pack

UTC -- Chat University Time. ISO -- International Organization of Standards, etc

Thomas Pornin

@ScottPack Strangely enough, "UTC" for "Coordinated Universal Time" is not the English acronym (which would be CUT) but not French either (it should be TUC, as "temps universel coordonné").

It is a documented compromise, meant not to favor English over French, or vice versa.

Scott Pack

15:37

Leave to it a Canadian to ruin all the fun :)

Thomas Pornin

@ScottPack I am not Canadian; I just live there.

Scott Pack

I stand corrected and retract said statement.

Thomas Pornin

Let's say I am not Canadian yet. In a few months I will have accumulated enough residency time to apply for citizenship.

Scott Pack

Do you intend to?

Jeff Ferland

Heh.

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Q: Virtual Machines are not safe, yet Amazon uses them

I'm contemplating the fact about using a virtual machine to "sandbox" servers and programs on my computer. I heard that Virtual Machines can be hacked into,; a simple google search of "virtual machine security"; millions of results appear. I know that pretty much anything can be hacked but why ...

amazon-ec2

Thomas Pornin

15:44

Basically, yes. It is not exclusive with my current French citizenship, so this is like leveling up into a multiclass.

Scott Pack

@ThomasPornin Just be careful which edition multiclass rules you use. Additional restrictions may apply.

Thomas Pornin

Ah ! I just noticed that a funded research project to which I am part is scheduled to end on December 21st, 2012. How appropriate.

Iszi

@ThomasPornin What's that now? topic-5?

Scott Pack

@Iszi Makes one wonder what our percentage of regulars are also regular gamers.

Iszi

@ScottPack How many do we have, that we'd call "regulars"?

Scott Pack

15:52

@Iszi I leave that determination as an exercise to the reader. That is, I'm too lazy to figure it out.

Iszi

Well, I see 7 in here now whom I'd refer to as "regulars": Myself, @ScottPack, @ThomasPornin, @Mvy, @RoryAlsop, @GrahamLee, and @nealmcb. Is anyone missing?

Oh, it looks like @JeffFerland stepped out.

Nobody else that I'd put in that category pops up in the @mention autocompletion, so that seems like about it.

So, obviously @ScottPack and I are gamers. I'm guessing based on the "multiclass" comment, @ThomasPornin may fall into that category also. Basing the rest on pure SE site membership (unless anyone else wants to speak up) we also have...

M'vy

@Iszi How do you define gamers?

Thomas Pornin

@Iszi I am not sure I should count as a gamer. I have never played WoW or any MMORPG.

The only game I have played more or less recently (in the last year, say) are Nethack and Battle for Wesnoth.

Scott Pack

@ThomasPornin Me neither. The closest thing to an MMORPG I've played were MUDs.

Iszi

Got you counted now @Mvy and also @RoryAlsop

@ThomasPornin Oh, Wesnoth - I've gotta play that again sometime.

Thomas Pornin

16:01

@Iszi Yeah -- stupid story-telling but tactically interesting.

and addictive

Rory Alsop

@Iszi - did you mean to miss out @AviD?

Iszi

@Mvy Anyone with a love for gaming, really. Though, if you want to fit in with the sterotypical crowds, it would be computer/console gaming and/or TTRPGs.

@RoryAlsop Nope. Thanks.

He's apparently been out long enough that he doesn't pop up in autocomplete.

Thomas Pornin

I own a PS3, but the only thing I have done with it is installing Linux.

Rory Alsop

I was a D&D gamer for 11 years, but ran out of time for it

Scott Pack

I was specifically thinking of TableTop, but I suppose there are other games as well.

Iszi

16:02

@Avid falls in under computer/console gaming as well, based on SE site membership.

Scott Pack

@Iszi As I recall he also has a regular gaming group for FPS and the like.

M'vy

Well we have done some RPG over TeamSpeak. So not basically TT but kind of.

Otherwise I'm still playing on my computer.

Rory Alsop

I would consider myself a hardcore gamer (member of ZiiP gaming clan) who is time challenged - with specific needs: I have a Megadrive with Sonic, a Nintendo just for Streetfighter, a Dreamcast for Amplitude and Frequency, a Wii for Tennis, a PS3 for all the Guitar Hero, Rock Band and driving games, and a PC for COD, Fallout, Batman etc

Iszi

Although, if you base things entirely on SE site membership alone that puts me also as an avid bicyclist and chef among other things, neither of which actually fits me.

@RoryAlsop ...TF is ZiiP?

Rory Alsop

Zebras in interesting Pyjamas

:-)

it's a gaming group for adults who like games but have families so not as driven as a full on clan

also has a great online shop with good discounts on new games

M'vy

16:05

Coming next should be BF3 and GW2 :P

Rory Alsop

www.ziip.co.uk

Scott Pack

@RoryAlsop That's pretty much the deal with my gaming group. Only one of them doesn't have kids, so we really only get together for a few hours once a week.

On the plus side, it also means we drink a little more than more "Serious" groups, and it's a 1.5 block walk from my house.

Iszi

So, out of 8 regulars, we've got... 6-ish either into gaming or actually in gaming SEs. Roughly 3/4 of our crowd is into gaming in some form or another, it seems.

M'vy

We are kind of into a game card called 7 wonders with my gaming group. Strategic game.

Rory Alsop

@Mvy absolutely!

M'vy

16:09

@RoryAlsop I had the chance to participate to the alpha of BF3. Sounds promising.

Iszi

I think we've definitely got the user base here for a topic-5.

Now we've just gotta agree on which is what.

Rory Alsop

or should we never mention which one is which and confuse folks...

Iszi

16:29

Have I asked the question about VMs over RDP in here yet?

Scott Pack

16:54

@Iszi This one's for you -- data.stackexchange.com/it%20security/s/926/…

Jeff Ferland

@Iszi I'm confused... does that make me a regular or not?

Jeff Ferland

17:22

Alright, Windows 7 might be a little bit slick.

Jeff Ferland

17:45

@ScottPack That makes Oliver Lalonde look very impressive until you realize his rep comes from question votes. Wonder if that should be tweaked to sum the rep gained from posts.

Scott Pack

@JeffFerland Could be. Would just need to adjust the SQL to pull from answer posts instead of all.

Wow, @iszi is more efficient with his character count than I am. That's a little disturbing.

As far as I'm concerned he is Mr. TLDR.

this.josh

18:00

@GrahamLee "The existing control system in use at BART utilizes track circuits, a technology based on principles originally developed in the last century. These track circuits allow BART to locate trains in the system with a resolution of approximately +/- 500 feet. This limitation in the train tracking ability prevents BART from operating trains closer together than 150 seconds apart."

Jeff Ferland

... IT just called and said the firewall was complaining that I was performing a bunch of SQL injection attacks against data.stackexchange.com. Heh.

4

Scott Pack

Nice

this.josh

A similar system resulted in at least one death in Washington DC. "Metro Failed to Detect Hazard'

Iszi

@ScottPack No, I think @ThomasPornin has taken that title.

If you run it against only users with 20+ posts, @GrahamLee is second most efficient after Bubby4j. (For some reason, I don't recognize Bubby)

@JeffFerland LOL

@JeffFerland Oh, good point. Any way to tweak it so that it's just counting rep from answers? My posts are about 55% Q.

Jeff Ferland

18:21

@Iszi sum the post scores

Scott Pack

Looking at the code a little more deeply, it would be non-trivial, though likely not properly hard.

Right now it just takes your raw rep and the total number of characters in all of your posts (probably including markdown).

You would have to recalculate rep manually, by snatching up all of the posts that are Answers, then calculate all the rep earned on those posts, then do your division.

Jeff Ferland

@Iszi I'm not sure if you can count the actual up & down votes, and even then there are the "rep limiter"and bounty factors. I'd just ignore that and go with the post score.

Scott Pack

@JeffFerland That would be a slightly different measure, but might be more worthwhile.

Iszi

Anyone tried Firefox 6 yet? Looks like it breaks Java.

M'vy

@Iszi is it beta or RC? Did not heard of a release

Iszi

18:33

@Mvy It's out.

getfirefox.com

M'vy

Apply update

faster

Iszi

Yeah, did that. Just thought I'd point you to the web reference.

Like I said though, it looks like it breaks Java - reporting the plug-in as not supported and disabled.

And yet... Huh???

The "Java Console" extension is reported as incompatible and disabled - but javatester.org/version.html shows 6u26 working?

Hrm. Looks like the plugin component still works, but the extension's borked or something.

Jeff Ferland

19:16

Woo! First day at the rep cap.

Thomas Pornin

@JeffFerland Not yet: apparently, you have 198 points from upvotes

Jeff Ferland

@ThomasPornin Mine says I have 203 rep, and that I have the mortarboard achievement.

Thomas Pornin

@JeffFerland The +15 for accepted answer does not count

The rep cap is on upvotes only; and you must go beyond the cap to have the mortarboard: with 20 upvotes exactly, you have 200 rep but no point lost to the cap, so this does not count as "hitting the cap"

(in fact you have 188)

So you need still a couple upvotes in the next four and a half hours to get your badge

Jeff Ferland

@ThomasPornin I have the mortarboard.

It's on my page. Says I earned that today along with popular question.

Thomas Pornin

@JeffFerland Ah yes. "Mortarboard" is slightly lenient, it is for "200 rep in a day"

The rep cap hitting is for Epic and Legendary

So you have the mortar but not the rep cap (yet)

it can probably be arranged, though

Done: you've hit the rep cap. You are 2% Epic.

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@JeffFerland To get the actual counts, use the text report: security.stackexchange.com/reputation

It will give you the number of days in which you hit the rep cap, and the number of days in which you achieved at least +200 rep.

Normally the latter is greater than or equal to the former, unless you were trigger-happy on awarding bounties.

Jeff Ferland

19:32

Heh. 2% epic. I need to use that somewhere. "Who are you?" "I'm 2% epic."

Hmm... so if I offer a 100 point bounty, does that mean I can rack up 300 in upvotes?

Thomas Pornin

@JeffFerland No, the bounties are not capped

this means that you can hit the rep cap and still have only +100 for that day

Jeff Ferland

@ThomasPornin Offer, not receive

got it

Thomas Pornin

Apparently the downvotes you receive (-2 per downvote) are under the cap count; but not the -1 when you downvote somebody else.

Jeff Ferland

So much complexity for something that only matters in minutiae

Iszi

@RoryAlsop Whoever posted that Failbook thing is one sick, twisted, sonofagun.

Rory Alsop

19:45

@Iszi heh - I loved it

@JeffFerland bizarre, isn't it

but the discussions over on mod.so show that many folks find it immensely important

Jeff Ferland

It's like my /. karma... I just wanted to get that over 50 (back in the day... actually, I was there before they capped it at 50)....

10k would be nice too. I have it in my head that's kind of a milestone. I probably would do just as well to find blog post time, but I've been trading that for resumes lately.

Rory Alsop

hahahaha - I remember those days. Haven't been on slashdot for ages

@JeffFerland seems reasonable

how many interviews left to do this week?

@ThomasPornin looks like I have only achieved it on 2 days

Jeff Ferland

@RoryAlsop 2. Sourcefire was going to be a 3rd, but it looks like they flaked. They gave me a sandbagging of an interview about 6 months ago.

Thomas Pornin

@RoryAlsop So you epicness is 4%. You can still get uppity when talking to @Jeff.

Rory Alsop

@ThomasPornin excellent:-)

Jeff Ferland

19:50

@ThomasPornin @gowenfawr is 8% epic. We are pwned.

Rory Alsop

d'oh

@Thomas - how epic are you?

Thomas Pornin

@RoryAlsop 38%

Rory Alsop

(that's my new chat up line in geek company:-)

wow

Thomas Pornin

Will be 40% soon if I get a couple upvotes today

I have noticed a sharp increase in upvotes for the last 8 or 10 days

as if the xkcd/password question drew a bunch of extra audience

Rory Alsop

Wish I could show you the analytics page

the graph is amazing

Thomas Pornin

19:53

I do not know about you, but I have a nifty key on my keyboard, called "Print Screen"

It is very convenient to make screenshots

Rory Alsop

we have had a slow but steady increase since Jan, with an increase in growth from March and another in July, but compared to this last week they are almost invisible

Jeff Ferland

@ThomasPornin +1

Rory Alsop

@ThomasPornin heh - was thinking more about the acceptable use policy for mod tools

new users over last month averages around 30 a day, peaking around 70. August 11th 165 new registered users:-)

Jeff Ferland

@ThomasPornin Congratulations on hitting the ceiling for another day.

Thomas Pornin

@JeffFerland Thanks !

Rory Alsop

19:57

@JeffFerland @ThomasPornin +1 :-)

@JeffFerland will you be upset if I kill the bothunter question and you lose the rep for your answer (it has 1 upvote)

the question is on -4 with one close flag, so I think it's gonna go

Jeff Ferland

@RoryAlsop I voted to close it

Rory Alsop

hahahaha -done!

Jeff Ferland

I brought it up earlier in the day, but Iszi convinced me to put some effort into saying something in reply. chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/151?m=1642343#1642343

Rory Alsop

sorry - missed that. Day 2 in new job - all a bit hectic, so I'm not getting much time to check in during work hours yet

Jeff Ferland

@RoryAlsop I look forward to that problem in the near future.

Rory Alsop

20:08

@JeffFerland Definitely the best of luck with it!

Rory Alsop

20:18

Gaming.SE primaries are open now - gaming.stackexchange.com/election

Ninefingers

22:46

On the subject of elections, do we still have pro-term mods? I think the mods do a wonderful job here, just to be clear, I'm just intrigued if we've got to elections yet?

M'vy

I don't think we had elections

this.josh

The mods are provisional until elections

Ninefingers

@Mvy I didn't think so. I just couldn't remember and Rory mentioned primaries for gaming.

M'vy

I said : I think there was no election.

this.josh

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Q: Moderator Pro Tem Announcement

Throughout the beta, we need members from the site whose focus is to engage the community, both in community-building issues and site management. That's why we select a few members from each community to act as temporary, provisional Moderators. You can read about the program here: Moderators Pro...

discussion moderation

2010 December 15th

Ninefingers

22:51

Ah I see, thanks

this.josh

The elections will occur about 30 days after the site graduates

thats what Robert Cartaino said on May 2

When was graduation?

M'vy

Approx the time of the 1 year anniv?

M'vy

23:10

@thisjosh !! See the blog first post!

security.blogoverflow.com/2011/07/12/…

well not the first but...

07-12-11

this.josh

Found it, yess July 12th, that would make @Robert Cartaino incorrect.

security.blogoverflow.com/2011/07/12/…

thats funny my first meta URL got boxed...

Oh, this is a blog!

M'vy

boxed?

this.josh

Yes, I think it's called one boxing where the chat turns your URL into a clip from the page see my post above 9fingers 15:51

M'vy

oh

Doing it foor each Q or A or twitter statuses

this.josh

looks like it is called wither onebox, one-box, or One-Boxing

M'vy

23:19

hm

this.josh

23:31

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Q: What sites should have hyperlinking (onebox) support in chat?

Some sites are integrated to chat . What additional sites should the chat support? One suggestion per answer.

discussion hyperlinks chat onebox

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Q: What links and sites are handled specially in chat?

There is special linking to some sites in chat. What is the full list of supported and integrated sites?

discussion hyperlinks chat faq-proposed onebox

It says there is onebox for "Posts from the Stack Exchange blog and the Server Fault blog", but it lists no other blog(s).

M'vy

hm

this.josh

23:53

Super User Blog: QotW: Does running commands in verbose mode slow them down?

Posted by nhinkle on August 1st, 2011

This week’s Question of the Week comes from MaxMaxie, and is about command line usage in Linux:

According to Matt Jenkins, it does indeed. His explanation of why is an interesting read, but the question remains: exactly how much does it slow things down? I decided to find out – read on to see just how much of a difference verbose flags can make.

I wanted to test this on something with a mix of file sizes, so I chose the latest download of WordPress, unzipped it, and performed verbose and normal copy operations on the extracted file in Windows 7 and Ubuntu 11.04. The results confirmed what Matt Jenkins told us for Linux, but Windows shows a different story. …

aparently Super User blog works as well

blogoverflow.com blocked as 'Games'

M'vy

Well I guess blog has to be graduated?

this.josh

How does a blog graduate?

M'vy

yep

blog.gaming.stackexchange.com/2011/08/15/stanley-parable

no luck with gaming.

BTW shouldn't we be doing that in the

Sandbox

Where you can play with chat features (except flagging) and ch...

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this.josh

oops!

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