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13:00
@AviD Tbh, I can always do with more bandwidth. Especially when it's symmetrical.
Cloud backups on an hourly or daily basis can even become practical with 300-500 Mbps.
you are still dependant on the server, any device in the middle, often the international / transatlantic pipe, etc.
@TerryChia assuming the backups are incremental, they are practical on a lot less.
symmetrical is cool, though - upwidth is usually lagging behind, especially if you want massive uploads or remote access.
@RоryMcCune I can't see the image. So I'm able to cope :-)
@AviD Funnily enough I usually get better up than down over here.
3 more hours and we play against Algeria
@LucasKauffman, World Cup?
13:03
@LucasKauffman flagged. Reason:football
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i personally hate football, its guts, its people, and mostly the cororations behind it like Fifa
but i laughed when i saw what happend to Spain Vs The Netherlands
Btw @CodesInChaos, since you are around mind if I have your thoughts on this? chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/16112864#16112864
@Lighty luckily, so far I have not seen or heard anything to do with football except for Lucas's comment
lucky you
Going to try and keep it that way
13:06
the netherlands is a football coutry, you get drowned in it
It can't last more than a couple of weeks, and as I don't do TV, newspapers or radio, it should be fine
@RoryAlsop You don't get on Twitter much do you?
i only do discovery, natgeo and such on TV
ever review java code, see a lot of references to "tempuri", and get hungry for sushi?
@AviD No, because I don't review Java code. :P
13:07
@RoryAlsop pfff you party pooper
@TerryChia well I don't read it, if that is what you mean
@Lighty yea
I would imagine that would have to change if I ever become a consultant.
@TerryChia I'm not a python expert, but this looks like a simple cache to me
@Lighty yep spain vs the netherlands was awesome
13:07
ask for 16KiB or random data and hand it out in 16 byte chunks
i think spain vs the netherlands was 'legitemate rape'
Information security is like the World Cup. Except Spanish security professionals don't suck at defense.
@RoryAlsop GOOOOAAAAAL GOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAL GOOOOOOOOAAAAAL
There. Ftfy @RoryAlsop.
@LucasKauffman at the end of the competition I will get told whether or not the team I have in the pool has won. Spain. Guessing I got a good one
13:08
even the CEO at my current client is wearing a football jersey
@AviD Thank you - that is perfect
@CodesInChaos Yeah. There's no problems with this? That's good to know.
So if it doesn't have any bugs, the only downside of that should be a reduction in forward secrecy
@LucasKauffman I possibly may have challenges when I go to Spain for my holiday. Dunno how long the world cup goes on for
13:10
hmm it doesn't look threadsafe to me
since it pops outside the lock
@RoryAlsop nah they got beaten hard
im more of a Formula 1 guy, if i HAD to pick a sport to 'follow'
@LucasKauffman oh - netherlands won, did they? Are they a big football country? I thought Spain and Brazil were the only countries that play football properly
Rory, with 5 to 1
@Lighty Rallying and sailing for me. And F1 a close second to them
13:12
Sailing huh? :P
@Lighty wow
@Lighty Yeah, but I don't really do spectator sports. I'd rather be competing
i love sailing..
im gonna sail in Naples, Italy this summer
Yeah - I really enjoy racing yachts and dinghies
on a chartered NATO sailyacht :3
used to teach sailing and race tactics
@Lighty ooh - nice
(which one)
13:13
@CodesInChaos Hmm good point. I'll look closer at that.
@Lighty you NATO? One of my guys is getting posted to Naples soon
i forgot the model name, but its a bigger one, classified for 8 sleeping places
He's a marine - looking forward to it
Sports? I'm into competitive sleeping.
im not nato, the freinds were going with are some higher-ranked US Military guys
they are NATO :P
im also getting a small tour of the base there, looking forward to it
13:14
@AviD Sorry, what's that? Can't bother to read the log right now.
@Lighty Most of my competitive racing in the last ten years has been in that size. Jenneau Sunfast 37's. You may not think that's a racer, but in a good wind they are great fun.
ohh, thats a nice one, we used to own a Befour 36'5 Grand 'n Large, it was a nice one to sail thorugh the netherlands
@Iszi 50 Mbps
@RoryAlsop '37 was the year the race took place?
I should stop mocking your age
@AviD What about it? I think that's the highest consumer-grade Internet connection around these parts.
13:24
@LucasKauffman pah :-)
@Iszi so, it exists, but not very common or standard?
33 mins ago, by Adnan
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we have 120 Mbps down and 10 up for consumers
@AviD Correction: 90 is the highest now.
the problem is we have volume limitations
I'm only allowed to download 120 GB per month
@Iszi yeah, but is that "possible" or "common"?
13:26
which isn't even near enough
The weather in Singapore is horrible but the internet is lovely. :P
@LucasKauffman whaat? That's like, 3 days worth of porn.
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@AviD Why you think the net was born?....
@LucasKauffman I downloaded more than that yesterday
@kalina daaaamn you watch a lot of porn.
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13:29
In fact, I downloaded more than that while I was asleeping!
@AviD "Common" is probably more around 30ish.
It's not that long ago that 30 was the max.
@Iszi okay, that was my point.
Strangely, I can't seem to find a price for just Internet from the primary provider in the area.
They want to serve us bundles!
i could download half a terrabyte a day if i'd re-install half my steam library
@Iszi lemme guess, internet + telephone + television?
its all the rage now, everyone is selling "Triples".
13:32
@AviD Or at least two of the three.
@Lighty only half a terrabyte?
Okay, it looks like Comcast is offering 105Mbps down for about $90 USD/month.
yes, i have to click everything manually, im lazy
upload speed is important
@Iszi, we pay around (calculated) 50-55 USD for 90 down and 9 up, with digital television
13:34
105 down, 20 up
20 is not enough
@kalina it's not how fast you go, it's how thick your pipe is.
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up is only important when you need to host something, for the rest, its not really a problem
@AviD that is the discussion, we're talking about bandwidth not latency
ten out of ten for paying attention though
@Iszi That's absurd pricing.
13:35
Why do ISPs even offer e-mail accounts anymore? Do any new subscribers under the age of 50 actually use them?
@Lighty uploading videos to youtube!
@kalina thats what I've been saying
@Lighty file sharing!
@Lighty watchable video via RDP
@Lighty Not a gamer, are you?
@kalina i only host a MC Server... so 9 up is enough for now...
13:36
@Lighty enough bandwidth to denial of service lesser mortals with their pityful RADSL compromise
@Iszi, i am, actualyl
@Iszi oh, and if you pay extra we will give you a backup service! you can upload files to our servers (up to 5 GB)!
@kalina What's that, so you can watch porn at work?
Ouch, I just got informed that the Jenkins builders for cryptography.io costs $2k/month.
@Iszi no, she is uploading that video....
13:37
ohmai
@ScottPack look perl might not be totally dead :op infoq.com/news/2014/06/perl520
@RоryMcCune Of course not! We will be getting Perl 6 any day now!
@TerryChia A small opensource project is paying 2k/month for a build server? WTF?
@CodesInChaos Nah, we're not actually paying that. :P
Rackspace is sponsoring the builders.
But we run insane amounts of tests.
@AviD No, her home computer is streaming it to her.
13:42
The wings of baby seagulls are terrifying
@Iszi that is not necessarily unambiguous.
@Kisunminttu because theyre so fluffy?
I think tests should be split into two groups depending on how important and fast they are
@Lighty Oh, love. They're not fluffy. They have a bit of fluff with the skeleton of the feathers protruding from their arms.
@CodesInChaos that sounds like four groups.
13:44
So that the combinatoric tests that are only there to catch bugs that slipped through the rest don't need to run all the time
something went wrong dere
@CodesInChaos The bulk of it is testing against vectors though. Plus we require 100% code coverage on every merge so we don't really have a choice except to run the entire suite against every pull request.
@TerryChia: your function looks like simple buffering. Instead of calling os.urandom() for a 16-byte chunk every time, it obtains 16384 bytes as one access, then distributes it to callers in 16-byte chunks.
This avoids the overhead of some system calls (reading /dev/urandom means a roundtrip to kernel space, and that's not free).
googled it myself, the kinda have a resemblance of ducklings o.o @Kisunminttu
@TerryChia how long does the full suite take?
13:46
TERRIFYING.
yea, duckling-like... except more creepy D:
@CodesInChaos Each run is about 70k test, about 3-4 minutes or so. The cloud builders tests against 5 python versions and I think 7-8 different operating systems.
So about 20 minutes on average for the entire suite to be completed.
@AviD In my crypto code the slow tests are generally unimportant and the important tests generally fast.
The slow tests typically test all possible combinations of something or just randomly generate a million inputs
@CodesInChaos interesting. Is that by design, coincidence, or some other correlation?
@AviD The important tests for cryptography.io are testing against vectors. Spit in some data and checks if the output is correct. Those are generally incredibly fast but there are a lot of them.
13:57
cake
delicious moist cake
with icing
marzipan
mmm marzipan
and fudge
*spaces out*
@TerryChia are there 70k tests or 70k testvectors?
@CodesInChaos I must note that I once found a crypto error in some hash function implementation which could not be detected with a fast test: it was actually a bug in the JIT compiler, which did not handle well the transition from interpreted to compiled code. It had to occur after substantial work.
@CodesInChaos Well, mostly vectors. The way we parameterize the tests each vector gets counted as a test.
I'm starting to think that @TerryChia might be into me.
@Simon You are starting to delude yourself.
14:02
I think the combinatorial input size tests managed to catch one bug in my incremental hashing code.
There's only one logical thing that I can reply to that.
#yolo
@Simon I miss @Simon. Wait, no, no I don't.
@kalina pics?
holy hell's balls, where did the day run off to.
@AviD We all know who star'd that.
14:05
@AviD Some whisky talk, some gun talk, some mocking @Simon. The usual stuff.
@TerryChia so? We should cover that by 9AM.
@TerryChia And, apparently, some porn
maybe 9:30, if we want to get some extra @Simon-mocking in.
It's 10 AM you donut.
@Kisunminttu or, in @LucasKauffman's case, a LOT of porn.
14:06
@Iszi 2 down, 0.6 up. You can all just shut up now :-(
@Simon False. 17:00.
@Simon Is "donut" a Canadian insult?
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@AviD Pyramid timezone isn't real.
@AviD "May he, who is without an encrypted external hard drive, cast the first stone"
@TerryChia I actually heard it from a British dude.
14:07
oh yay! We're doing Canada jokes now? I love Canada jokes!
@kalina okay - now I think I like you :0-)
I dont like marzipan.
@AviD well, you're wrong
:-)
>:)
probably because back in the 80's marzipan was one of Israel's big exports, and one of the big factories was not far from my house. I had it coming out of my ears.
14:09
@AviD You know what else is a Canada joke? My D.
@Simon nicely backfired.
@RoryAlsop Have you tasted the Swedish princess cake?
@Kisunminttu Kinky
"Have you tasted the Swedish princess, cake?"
@Simon I happen to love that cake
@LucasKauffman Needs moar whipped cream
@AviD punctuation is everything. Like helping your Uncle Jack, off a horse...
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@RoryAlsop dya think we're setting a bad example for the younglings here?
@AviD Isn't it a little too late for that?
14:14
@AviD that all depends on your punctuation I suppose
The way I am is because of you, oldies.
Simon, show some respect for gramps
>:/
@AviD I have often thought this :-)
besides, how else are you supposed to make sure that those younger than you end up just as messed up in the head
@RoryAlsop what do you mean "now"?
14:15
@AviD @LucasKauffman @RoryAlsop The Macallan is pretty good.
yaaay!
@TerryChia yes
@TRiG that's a good example!
@kalina :-)
@TRiG edit wasnt blocked for being too trivial?
@AviD It does help if you explain why you're doing it.
On sites where I don't have edit privs, I write long informative edit comments.
14:19
@TerryChia Good you like it
@RoryAlsop ...
@kalina you're obviously not bored when talking about cake.
or boring
I do love cake
and cake loves me
I might try sustaining myself entirely off cake for a month
@kalina if you love cake so much, why dont you just marry it.
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@AviD totally heard that in GlaDOS' voice
14:21
If you were to marry cake, what would you jump out of?
chocolate
and strawberry
and cream
is my shopping list for later, not cake related.
I've had an idea!
Life size chocolate sculptures
@kalina I had them on Thursday, plus mojito slushies, and a hot tub
rock
and
roll
:-)
it's not about rock and roll
that's so 70s
it's about chemical love
"I call myself chemical love because I have a habit of using chemicals to ensnare people"
I'm bored
bored bored bored
I guess I'm going to play Wolfenstein then
@kalina yahtzee liked it so it could be good
@RоryMcCune oh, I haven't watched that one yet
(bookmarks for later)
@AviD - that two factor mobile question still looks 'orrible. Not going to touch it yet.
14:31
@kalina excellent >:3
Wait wait wait wait wait, versioning databases in git? versionpress.net
oh - I see it is now llama, raven, tigger :-)
That sounds like a terrible idea.
@RoryAlsop WHAT.
just need Gilles to overtake Hendrik and the mods column will be neat and tidy again (just need to get one for great bear)
14:33
@RoryAlsop hahah, was about to say that.
@AviD we can each look after our row
@RoryAlsop so I should smack @Adnan and @RоryMcCune when they're out of line?
@AviD lol. I get @Lucas
another day another developer I need to slap for using just MD5 for hashing passwords
@LucasKauffman oo, they hash passwords?? Fancy!
1 min ago, by Lucas Kauffman
another day another developer I need to slap for using just MD5 for hashing passwords
go for it.
14:37
heh heh
That's from work.
Though I swear I never feel it.
@Iszi grrrrrr
Though I swear I never feel it.
@Iszi I heard that if you paint your computer in bright red, it feels faster.
@Iszi you're reeeelly trying for a TWSS, aren't you.
fine then.
14:43
Oh, that double-posted?
@Iszi ha! nice, TWSS!
The dang thing said the first shot timed out.
@Iszi TWSS
ahem
@Iszi Considering our speed usually suck in le canaduh, this isn't too bad (from work too):
dat upload speed doe
thats at work
14:47
Chores given by your mom != work
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@Iszi dammit man, you're on a roll!
if chores are "develop a customer and plugin database and entity relation script in PHP to use with a dashboard", maybe, but thats not something my mom asks
@Lighty I should hope not. Having your kid do that in PHP is just plain child abuse.
why do you think i bring a bottle of vaseline to work?
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PHP
@AviD I wanted to reply something similar but couldn't find the proper words, you nailed it.
14:49
@Simon Oooooh burn!
@Lighty "customer and plugin database and entity relation script" is just a whole lot of buzzwords.
I want my brother's lab's internet. He gets 300Mb/s down 250Mb/s up
@TerryChia and a non-sensical combination, too.
i need to make a database for customer info and plugin info, and they have to be 'connected' via a php script (not in the database itself)
@AJHenderson back in college our lab had full duplex gbit, we were on a shared 10 gbit line
@AJHenderson back then your biggest bottleneck was your hard drive's write speed :p
@LucasKauffman Wow, that's awesome. I couldn't get non-terrible internet on my campus.
I usually just tethered, even 3G was faster.
14:53
@TerryChia It was a perk for our student organization
labs tend to actually get good connections, which is why students can't
Students suck.
All of them.
@Simon just like your mom.
Just like her.
Like there's no tomorrow.
@LucasKauffman all of them
14:56
did i end up in a CoD community?
@Lighty I don't know, does everyone sound like they're 12?
@AviD @Adnan It's true. There are places that have freaking nutz Interweb speeds in the US but most of us are getting hardcore boned with a cactus.
well, we two do for sure
@ScottPack Mostly the Google Fiber places.
> "getting hardcore boned with a cactus"
14:58
@AviD Sounds about right for @Adnan.
thats my line....
@Lighty OMG CAMPER NOOB SHIT
Y U CAMP ON DA SMALLEST MAP
@Lighty Did everyone sleep with your mom?
yup
14:59
@AviD @Adnan Once my "sooper special intro deal" expires I'll be paying $130/month for standard cable (meaning no cable box and ClearQAM digital) and 30Mbps down, 1Mbps up.
and shes also fat
http://whois.net/whois/gofuckyourselfwithacactus.nl
thats my domain
nct
@RоryMcCune this is a kalina approved method of determining if a game is good
@AviD Sometimes it's sideways.

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