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10:01
I'm getting bored
bored bored bored
mescaline
marijuana
cocaine cocaine cocaine cocaine
the product of the devil
@kalina Eric Clapton is the devil??
throws a bucket of *STARS at @AviD*
I cannot comment on this query.
@Lighty no need to hit anybody with the start button
screw typos
you animal
this is civilised society
10:03
@Lighty You have weird fetishes.
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we don't just go punching people in the face with a start button whenever we please
@TerryChia you have no idea :3
@kalina so that sounds like a combination of Queens of the Stone Age and Buckcherry :-)
let's not get into fetishes in a room that has @Adnan in it
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i still have nightmares of those fists...
10:04
and we cant just have our way with any typo that crosses our path. Unless the typo consented...
I win at the star game
bow before me for I am great
... No.
YOU DARE DEFY ME?
@kalina Ooooooooh.
gives FEI a bottle of vaseline you'll need this
10:06
Teeheehee.
nothing to see here.... *whistles*
@kalina getting shy in your old age....
no I was avoiding future quotability
@RоryMcCune That's rich coming from you.
@TerryChia who me, I've always been like this :op
if anything I'm rather more relaxed than I used to be
10:09
@AviD I may try later on today - that comments thread offends me. atk, Lucas and others have some really well thought out sentences and explanations, but Engineer, sir, appears not to be paying any attention.
@RoryAlsop havent read thru them yet...
But if you are trying to reinvent a broken square wheel, would you really want honest feedback?
while I was dreaming last night I discovered the missing component to inertial dampening
I tried to write it down when I woke up but only got as far as "I'm bored"
@kalina lol
@AviD Square wheels are not necesarily bad (if you have the roads to support them). Reinventing a broken wheels sounds like a waste of time though.
square wheels are great for travelling up steps
10:12
@Arperum that is quite the understatement. Would you care to not support it?
I was comparing the "invention" in that question to a broken square wheel.
I was comparing the "face" in "your face" to a broken square wheel
Kalina is nice, again
I am being nice
@AviD I will not offer support. I've read the answer to the "invention" and agree on brokennness, I just had to mention that square wheels can be good if you have the correct underground for them.
@Arperum huh?
ah, just noticed you added a "not" in front of bad. Dont get what youre aiming for, but I cant be bothered anywya.
10:14
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@Lighty Kalina is always "nice".
@AviD I forgot to type that "not", it was a rather important thing to miss though.
@FEichinger this isn't true
but it is really obvious when I'm not being nice
it's usually accompanied by a storm
and death
> "nice"
flesh rotting off people as I walk past them
blood... everywhere
10:19
Stop killing people, sheesh.
why?
Because ... uhh ... I say so?
interesting
Did somebody say fetishes?
speaks into dictaphone test subject 7-b appears to believe that I will do things merely because he says so
yes, let's have a discussion about fetishes
10:26
Surprisingly, I don't have any distinct fetishes.
@Kisu What do you think?
@kalina "Subject 7-b"? Interesting.
@Adnan We make up for them with mine
@Kisunminttu I think the fact that you are with @Adnan qualifies as an extreme fetish.
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@AviD Yeah, she's into Middle Eastern atheists with sociopathic traits.
That's the stuff these days!
All the cool kids are doing it.
Hmm, I've got 2 out of 3.
10:29
@Adnan There are probably alarms going off in some government building somewhere.
@TerryChia :D
@Adnan Quite a coincidence we met, indeed
@TerryChia no, it's the Middle Eastern religious fanatics that set off the bells.
@Kisunminttu That sounds stalkerish.
atheists - meh. Reminds me of that scene from the Big Lebowski.
10:30
@AviD Eh, either extremes should set off alarms.
@AviD Which one?
@AviD I've been to many airports. Trust me, the Middle Eastern alone sets off the bells
I seem to have a "random check" kind of face.
@AviD I happen to love that movie
10:32
@Kisunminttu of course you do. You have a soul.
That's my favorite scene in the movie
heh, yeah its a great one.
puts a paper hat on @Kisunminttu's head
@Lighty What color is it?
@Lighty can you stop with this childish sheepthrowing crap?
10:37
blue
i dont throw sheeps, that would hurt them
@Kisunminttu Bitch hasn't cancelled yet.
Contacted the site customer service, they told me to wait.
@Adnan , I'm leaving home soon to come and give you a kiss
@AviD that reminds me was going to mention the new OWASP project that the missus is starting up owasp.org/index.php?title=Projects/…
idea is a windows store app for training like web goat
@RоryMcCune cool!
@Kisunminttu Sounds right up my alley
10:39
bookmarks
'course when they sort out all the politics, they probably gonna nuke most of the projects...
@AviD yeah I think they shouldn't nuke them they should just be much clearer on "release" and "development"
definitely. Though there ARE many junk projects that could do with a good nuking.
@AviD sure there should be a criteria for "dead"
and some kind of criteria for "worthwhile as a project"
@RоryMcCune more this than the other.
too many projects are pointless, stupid, or duplicates.
10:41
@AviD indeed
Oooh! OWASP needs a VtC mechanism like SE.
@AviD ooh nice
@AviD heh - me too
@RоryMcCune There needs to be some criteria for people to start projects.
As far as I can tell any OWASP member can create one. That's a recipe for creating crap right there.
@TerryChia yeah, absolutely. Samantha was supposedly revamping the whole projects setup and process, that seems kinda stalled now.
11:03
@AviD @TerryChia unfortunately while they have "Open" as an uncompromisable tenet they'll have real problems restricting things and raising the bar....
@RоryMcCune "open" doesnt necessarily conflict with "not crap".
@AviD it does the way it's currently implemented (IMO), open is taken to mean "anyone can contribute anything they want"
Just because you can read the source, doesnt mean you get to push a patch.
and attempts to say "is this really something to associate with OWASP" get shot down...
Of course consisting of pure volunteerism is always a problem with any process or requirement.
@RоryMcCune yeah. Well she was supposedly at least trying to implement some process and approvals around that.
11:06
@AviD as an example if you have a windows 8 machine try searching the store for OWASP
@RоryMcCune wat.
well it is pretty.
yeah but is it what OWASP want as their public face on the Windows 8 store...
Actually one of the speakers at the meeting last night took the challenge of talking about the Top 10 again, to a room full of advanced professionals - and he actually managed to make it interesting.
@AviD cool! :)
@AviD and when you install that app and look at it, you see that it's not even complete or updated. someone installing that thinking it's an "official" OWASP app ain't going to have the best view of the org...
He focused on the lesser seen issues, those with less visibility / trivial mitigations.
like insecure configuration, 3rd party dependancies, etc.
11:12
@AviD yeah those can be the more interesting ones sometimes. 3rd party dependencies I always think is funny 'cause there was a lot of resistence to it going on to the Top 10 2013
even though to me it's one of the biggest problems around with modern web apps.
@RоryMcCune I think its a huge deal, and OpenSSL is the posterboy for that.
@AviD @RоryMcCune If I was in charge of the process, I'd want a project to be established or at least have a critical mass of reputable names committed to it before lending the OWASP name to it.
@TerryChia no, I disagree to that, on both points.
@AviD yeah post heartbleed people would be pushed to try to argue it I'd think...
OWASP shouldnt just adopt projects, it should grow them, and using OWASP resources (volunteers etc) is a great way of doing it. And if you only allow "celebrities" to do so, you leave no room for an unknown to start contributing.
SE's model of gradual reputation does have a lot going for it, though.
@RоryMcCune the other talks were interesting, but that one was really a standout. I'll post the slides here when I get them...
he also talked about the constraints orgs usually have when it comes to testing and fixing - and why so many orgs suffice with testing SQLi / XSS / CSRF (aka the Top 3).
11:16
@AviD cool cool slides are good :) Yeah thing like injections and CSRF generally have easily visible fixes... other things can be trickier..
easy to test, easy to find, easy to fix... even easy to block at the WAF or detect in IDS.
on the other hand, so many still get that wrong. Not to mention a lack of understanding of CSRF, still.
@AviD How would you avoid the problem of having crap and/or dead projects then? Ok, maybe "reputable names" isn't the right answer but there should at least be a mass of OWASP people committed to contributing to it or else a project tends to die off.
37 mins ago, by Rоry McCune
and some kind of criteria for "worthwhile as a project"
and contributors, sure, but that could come later, for a fresh new project.
@AviD That's pretty vague. ;) Anything more specific?
@TerryChia nope :-)
thankfully I'm not involved in that part, so I dont have to sort it out ;-)
11:20
Btw (I'm not that familiar with the OWASP process), is there anything preventing me from going in, starting a project with bad or even malicious information and using the OWASP name to trick people into believing it?
it could be community support, it could be board approval, or better yet the projects "committee" would approve it contextually.
@TerryChia dont know, but judging by some of them, I would say "probably not so much".
@AviD And that's a real problem indeed.
and thats what they were trying to fix.
11:44
@LucasKauffman welcome to Row#2!
@AviD What?
what did I do?
Tigger takes Raven, Llama takes Raven. Tigger and Llama stay away from Bears.
@TerryChia For my next application, I will use MongoDB, Angular.js and node.js D:
@TerryChia that people are still using cPanel?
11:46
aaah we beat rook
does he even live ?
@AviD That people who calls using the command line "difficult" are managing servers.
@LucasKauffman apparently. He just popped back up.
Welcome back to Row#3.
that was a weird anomaly.
@AviD You are welcome. :)
I bet it was someone in this room <.<
14 secs ago, by Terry Chia
@AviD You are welcome. :)
11:48
This Terry kid
@LucasKauffman yeah he'll be being bitter about his meager row 4 position....
@RоryMcCune Says the dude eating my dust
@Adnan \/\/
meh I don't care about rank, all I care about is the great bunch of people in this room ^^
@RоryMcCune I'll probably stay there for a loooooong time. :P
My rep gain is almost entirely passive at this point.
11:52
@LucasKauffman gaaaaaaaaaaayyy
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NOT that there is anything wrong with that!
Hendrik and dr jimbob are pretty far away from me rep wise so my position should be there for a while.
so @RоryMcCune how goes the conf prep? Any last minute changes because of dramallama?
I think 1/10 people is supposedly gay
who flagged that ? :p
Is dramallama even a registered leader?
11:53
@AviD I hope not.... no major changes that I can see, but this may well make for some "interesting" conversations depending on who is attending....
@AviD I'm not going
@LucasKauffman That's me
ahh
but you are Adnan
I'm getting a bit more fed up with @lighty's shit
@Adnan "more"?
11:54
more?
oh damn.
@Adnan Welcome to what I feel on Day 1. :P
btw I'm going back to university
@LucasKauffman What for?
11:56
@LucasKauffman No way!
@TerryChia getting my masters
@TerryChia college chicks!
@LucasKauffman Ah awesome!
@AviD Hehehe... @Lucas and college chicks.. hehe
@LucasKauffman @TerryChia he makes the college chicks call him "Master"
11:57
@AviD hahaha!
@AviD Heeeey! That's my thing!
@LucasKauffman Terrific!
@Adnan @Kisunminttu is a college chick?
@TerryChia She actually is
@TerryChia Truth.
And @Adnan is my Master.
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11:58
@Kisunminttu Yeah I'd star
@LucasKauffman What topic will your masters be on?
@LucasKauffman full time or part time?
@TerryChia Isn't it too early?
@Adnan Ah it is? I dunno much about the process really.
@TerryChia twss
12:01
@TerryChia You don't really start consolidating your thoughts on Masters thesis until 7-8 months in.
Most people don't start until after one year.
@Adnan Ah I see.
@RоryMcCune How is node js any better?
@Adnan If he is going to university now, he should be near the end of a year. Belgian universities have years starting in september/october until june.
@TerryChia yeah to be funny it would have said "ruby on rails"
@RоryMcCune part time, distance learning
12:02
@RоryMcCune photoshop!
@TerryChia information security
@RоryMcCune Or Django. :P
@LucasKauffman coolio, that'll keep you busy I'll bet
@LucasKauffman Cool. :) Go do cryptography.
@RоryMcCune yea I think so too, it's two years doing 3 courses a year and then a year for thesis writing
@TerryChia I'm still considering, it will either be advanced crypto or forensics
12:04
@LucasKauffman I'd personally do crypto if I want to stay in school long enough for a masters.
Also, isn't "advanced crypto" just "crypto"? :P
All crypto is difficult. ;)
@TerryChia there is also a mandatory crypto course
I think I'll decide after I finisjhed the crypto course first, I'm not really good at maths and if it's a pure math approach then it might be a bit over my head
@LucasKauffman Theoretical crypto is a bit yawn (to me personally), but applied crypto is a really interesting area imo.
@TerryChia yea indeed
And hey, maybe SHA-10 will have your name on it. ;)
@TerryChia ha that's as likely as someone surpassing Thomas Pornin in rep
12:10
@TerryChia isnt that just SHA-2 in binary?
@AviD It's marketing, rebranding
An early draft of CVSSv3 is out. Among the changes are modifiers for the coolness of a vuln's name and logo, and whether it has a website.
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@AviD nice
I posted this in the TL - and folks hadn't seen it. So thought you guys might approve. Old school process management: psdoom.sourceforge.net
@AviD Hahahaha!
@RoryAlsop excellent. Almost as refined as the Gibson's Hacking User Interface.
is that real btw.....?
12:23
@TerryChia Let's strat a twitter account together
@Adnan are you sure you're ready for that step?
Maybe you should try first living together for a few years.
bored
@kalina I just got bored about an hour ago
@AviD yup
I'm so happy for you
I don't need to know about your bored life
12:27
@kalina It's only fair. After all, we keep hearing about yours
@kalina I just spent the last hour sat out in the park, in the sun. Just like I have done for the past 5 days
mine is interesting though
My life is wonderfully boring
yours is just weird and creepy and full of weirdcreepy things
@RoryAlsop says the man who spent the weekend as a VIP at a rock festival with hot chicks and alcohol :op
12:28
@RоryMcCune He's a HR manager during the weekdays though. That's soul-crushingly boring.
@RоryMcCune and cool guys, like Richie Sambora, Dave Wyndorf, and the cool frontman from Skindred
@TerryChia flagged
:-)
@RoryAlsop yeah sooooo boring ... :op
@RoryAlsop isnt that the guitarist from Bon Jovi?
@AviD yeah. He did some Bon Jovi stuff (not as good a voice as Jon Bon Jonjon) and some amazing southern blues
very cool
12:31
Mozilla is weirdly lax into adding people into their GitHub organization. I got added to a team after a single patch. I don't get any permissions on the repo but still feels weird to have Mozilla listed under the organizations I belong to.
@AviD If you like blues, though - Joe Bonamassa. Lovely slick blues
@TerryChia they do that for anybody that still uses Firefox and knows how to find a Github repo.
12:44
i just got informed by the ticket company that sold me the concert tickets for ZZTop that i should concider taking an alternative route, because there are two big concerts given in the area where ZZTop is performing...
the other 'band' is one direction
@Lighty Noooooooooooooooooooooooo
wheres the netherlands on that @Adnan?
and @RoryAlsop, its an insult, eh?
@Adnan I'm surprised Singapore isn't on there.
@Adnan lolz all I've got to say about their UK figures is that's towns and cities covered by cable only
@Adnan and you'd best watch that @RoryAlsop doesn't flag that 'cause of the difference between the speed he's getting and what they reckon the UK gets...
@Lighty shouldnt be a problem, everyone coming to the other concert will be arriving by bicycle.
And you can generally get discounts on that price.
@TerryChia and Israel... they're starting to roll out 200 Mbps as standard, now.
I think thats cable only, though.
@AviD or in a van...
@AviD I'm on an old 100 Mbps plan but it looks like 200 Mbps is the minimum I can get on a new plan.
12:56
@RоryMcCune well, ask @Iszi @ScottPack et al if that's standard, or "available" like Tesla cars are "available".
@TerryChia honestly? At this point I would not notice the difference.
@TerryChia What are those 200/300/500M numbers?
@Adnan Mbps.
I dont like when that bandwidth is misrepresented by ISPs as "speed".
@TerryChia Whoa!
@Adnan TWSS!
havent had enough of those around here lately.
12:58
@AviD The marketing probably isn't targeted towards people like us. :P
@AviD Where is the problem with calling bandwidth speed?
@Adnan We get data-plans with 30Mbps max-speed here as a minimum, 160Mbps is the best I could find.
@TerryChia but thats the point, if my typical usage requires an 80mbps pipe, going to 200 would have no effect.
we have a 90mbit down and 9mbit up i believe
@CodesInChaos the bits dont get to you faster, you can just transmit more at a time.
12:59
but i measure my "speed" with my steam, if i download at a 11-15 MB/s rate, i have good internet
so if you're below max cap, it doesnt matter by how much.

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