The DMZ

FEichinger

00:00

@Gilles That's funny, isn't it? What with the US usually pretending to be secular and all.

AviD

00:16

@FEichinger what? when did that happen?

the US is an incredibly religious country, just not a devout one.

@Gilles I think the issue is that even if you do not believe in the bible, that still does not make it fiction. Are philosophy books fiction? are history (sic) books fiction?

some parts of it could even be considered a stylized diary. Whether they are true or not, does not necessarily make it fiction.

Gilles

@AviD fiction with a philosophical message is still fiction. The Bible has characters, a plot...

(That's for someone who doesn't believe in it. If you believe in it, it's truth. If you're agnostic, it's religion.)

AviD

@Gilles whether or not you believe in it, it's religion. It may not be yours, but it is religion. And as long as they are not beating you over the head with it, I say live and let belief.

Except for Scientologists. That's f*cked up.

FEichinger

00:35

Whether or not the bible itself is fiction has no bearing on the original quote whatsoever, though.

The original quote contained fiction either way. Whether it was fiction within fiction, or fiction within a retelling doesn't really matter.

AviD

@FEichinger oh, absolutely. And neither of which had anything to do with me linking it here, which was about the size of very small seed.

@FEichinger it wasnt fiction, it was a parable. Or a simile. Or whatever.

dammit, I honestly don't care. No idea why I'm arguing, @kalina must have infected me.

tylerl

@AviD I'm not just dead-certain that qualifies as a religion.

it certainly doesn't in germany

This is me being helpful:

@Erik That means you did something wrong. — tylerl 1 hour ago

I enjoy how surprisingly helpful that comment was

Stack Exchange

04:01

Ok, plan B: Fly a kite into the blades, with a rock in a sling dangling below it, and create the world's largest trebuchet.

Terry Chia

Ah, today is lame puns day?

Iszi

04:42

@StackExchange Most disappointing XKCD ever.

Kisunminttu

05:04

Good morning

tylerl

05:34

@Iszi I've seen worse. Much worse.

Kisunminttu

06:30

I am officially free of the cast!

They gave me an ankle brace to wear for the next week

Lucas Kauffman

06:54

Good morning

@Kisunminttu yay

@tylerl hows Google coming along?

Terry Chia

@LucasKauffman I hear they made billions last week.

Lucas Kauffman

@TerryChia they probably did

Kisunminttu

@LucasKauffman Morning!

Rоry McCune

@Kisunminttu \o/

Rory Alsop

Ah, there is a lovely matt black Maserati quattroporte that often heads past me as I get in to work. Lively

And - morning all.

Rоry McCune

07:07

@RoryAlsop Mornin'

Terry Chia

@RоryMcCune She just got free of her cast, she isn't going to drown.

Rоry McCune

@TerryChia hey hey that's a 'yay' stick figure

\o/

~~~~

is the drowning one

Kisunminttu

@RoryAlsop Morning \o

@TerryChia Well, in all fairness, I will be in the vicinity of a beach tomorrow, so we don't know!

It's highly unlikely though

Terry Chia

@Kisunminttu Better knock on wood!

And I don't mean @Adnan.

Kisunminttu

He will be there to keep an eye on me :)

When I was a kid, I focused on learning how to swim with just using my feet and just using my arms, in case I lose control of either while I'm swimming, so I should be good!

Terry Chia

07:17

@Kisunminttu You didn't get the obvious euphemism? Awwwh. :(

Kisunminttu

@TerryChia Too obvious to grab :)

Terry Chia

@Kisunminttu ahem

Kisunminttu

@TerryChia Have something in your throat?

Lucas Kauffman

just another day of euphemisms in the DMZ

Kisunminttu

Euphemzee

FEichinger

07:31

yawn Morning.

Kisunminttu

@FEichinger Meowning

FEichinger

o.ô

Rоry McCune

@FEichinger good emoticon

Kisunminttu

07:48

I think I'm going to try these, but non-vegan minimalistbaker.com/the-worlds-easiest-cinnamon-rolls

kalina

@AviD you'd be doing more than just randomly arguing if I had infected you

beware of the cooties, or whatever

FEichinger

@Rory It sums up most of my thoughts, yes.

Also, good morning @kalina.

kalina

it's not a good morning

it is merely a morning

FEichinger

Better than last night at least?

kalina

the same

maybe a little worse

FEichinger

07:52

:/

kalina

I find myself stuck in a position where I'm absolutely starving but the thought of food makes me gag

FEichinger

Ugh, that sucks. :(

kalina

too hungry to sleep, my escape has been blocked!

Kisunminttu

@kalina I'm diagnosing you with a case of preggers

kalina

@Kisunminttu I am missing the prerequisite activity

DEPENDENCY NOT MET

FEichinger

07:54

@Kisu Yeeeh ... I doubt that.

kalina

The following packages have unmet dependencies:

pregnancy: Depends: sex (<=4weeks) but none occurred

6

Kisunminttu

@kalina Hey, you claim to be of extraterrestrial origin, we don't know how you guys become with child

kalina

@Kisunminttu sssh, just because I told you my deepest darkest secrets doesn't mean you can repeat them

You never know who is watching

FEichinger

Thanks for that disturbing thought ...

Kisunminttu

@kalina Here, I made you a stylish tin foil hat

Terry Chia

07:57

@kalina yum install sex

kalina

sorry @FEichinger, I intercepted all of your bits and bytes and well... I should have used more protection

Kisunminttu

puts own tin foil hat on

FEichinger

@kalina Uhh ... I ... Uhh ... I think I have no reply to that ...

kalina

I hope you're happy with your life choices, because... my species eats the father to fuel the creation of our young

Lucas Kauffman

@TerryChia sex

@TerryChia process finished within 18.0023 seconds

FEichinger

07:59

Tsk. Always trying to kill me.

kalina

@LucasKauffman poor

Kisunminttu

@FEichinger She said eat

Not kill

kalina

@Kisunminttu basically the same thing in this instance

Terry Chia

@LucasKauffman That's why you have a watchdog daemon to restart it.

kalina

watch underscore dog underscore daemon?

FEichinger

08:02

@Terry God no. Restarting with a daemon gets painful after a bit.

Oh, hey, the girls next to me on the train are chatting about what happens to corpses in water ...

Terry Chia

@FEichinger There's a fork() joke in there somewhere.

FEichinger

Is that your hit squad, @kalina?

@Terry cringe

kalina

fine, I'll eat ice cream for breakfast

yolo

Lighty

i have been summoned

kalina

no you haven't

go away

FEichinger

08:06

... No, you haven't.

kalina

inb4

Lighty

D:

FEichinger

YOLO summons Simon, not you.

@kalina Hush! I'm in a train. Mobile connection and all. I totes typed that before you did.

kalina

@FEichinger no, you probably got as far as ...

FEichinger

Fine. You win.

kalina

08:12

was there ever any doubt?

I can't hear you over how awesome this ice cream is

@FEichinger well, one of them

I have many

FEichinger

There was no doubt. I was just confirming it.

Rory Alsop

@kalina you have loud ice cream?

Terry Chia

@RoryAlsop She wouldn't know would she?

kalina

actually, on the hearing front, something really weird happened today which is probably contributing to my hate of the world

well, hate is a bit strong

I just don't feel properly grounded this morning

my left ear has like blocked up, and I'm hearing better with my bad ear

I'm having the sort of day where every time I click the chrome icon on my taskbar I accidentally click internet explorer one icon to the right of it

I have closed IE more times this morning than I've hit enter

although if one of you people don't start talking soon this monologue will change that

...

Terry Chia

@kalina Why do you have IE on your taskbar?

kalina

08:22

IE11 isn't bad

better than firefox

Terry Chia

Why do you need two browsers though?

Rory Alsop

I may be dim, but how can it make sense for a monetary policy stating that the interest rate on deposit is reduced to -0.10%?

ecb.europa.eu/press/pr/date/2014/html/pr140605.en.html

kalina

@TerryChia why not?

Rory Alsop

@TerryChia I use two browsers on all my PC's except my O2

kalina

do you not use multiple browsers?

Rory Alsop

08:23

Usually Chrome and FF, but on work Chrome and IE

kalina

I dislike Firefox

by this point in time that's probably more to do with the users of Firefox than Firefox itself

Rоry McCune

@RoryAlsop well the theory is that it'll get people spending as there's no point in saving. Long term I'd say that's a bad thing(tm) but I'd guess that's their theory

Terry Chia

@kalina Only FF when i'm doing security stuff that uses some plugins.

Rory Alsop

@RоryMcCune this is why I'm not an accountant.

kalina

Firefox users tend to get themselves into a bit of a tizzy if you even imply that another browser is better from my experience

Rory Alsop

08:25

Too confusing

kalina

and use arguments like "Firefox is better..." "Why is it?" "It just is..."

Lighty

i like firefox because chrome glitched and re-installing wouldn't help, so i was lazy and picked firefox because i am stupid

kalina

oh, Elite:Dangerous is apparently in premium beta

not that I've played it since one of the earlier alpha releases

Lighty

and i dont like IE because of bad experiences in past, havent tried new version

kalina

I really should get some batteries for my xbox controller

@Lighty you basically just said "I like Firefox because all of the other options didn't like me"

Lighty

08:28

yup

which is good enough for me

only thing i do at home with firefox is youtube, music, and browsing useless stuff

no need for something else, this works fine

kalina

are you calling Stack Exchange "useless"?

because I agree, entirely

Lighty

offers high-five

kalina

walks away

Lighty

high-fives a spider, with a flamethrower

kalina

takes control of all fire in the local vicinity and causes the flamethrower to explode @LIGHTY was caused in the blast and must therefore miss 2 hours of turns while recovering. CRITICAL HIT.

Lighty

08:32

uses a cheatengine to change hitpoint variables after hit

FEichinger

I use ... Three browsers.

kalina

@Lighty you'd change your HP after you died?

FEichinger

Not "use" use, but "check HTML and CSS" use...

Lighty

yup @kalina

kalina

surely you'd change it before you die, since otherwise you'd already be in the routine handling death and changing your HP wouldn't do anything

FEichinger

08:34

Cue @kalina mocking me for PHP ...

kalina

"loooooooooooooooool php"

Lighty

@FEichinger i do that in WebExpression Studio 4 at home, with inbuild browser, 4 of em then

kalina

when @fei grows up he'll learn a real programming language

FEichinger

@kalina I know plenty real programming languages! I just don't use most of them.

kalina

I passed my comfort zone in this php mocking sometime earlier in the week

FEichinger

08:35

@Lighty Ewww. IDEs.

kalina

I have to google faults in php to find more material

@FEichinger you use nano, don't you

FEichinger

@kalina As a matter of fact, I do.

Lighty

@FEichinger i like it, it works fine for me, why? it's the only thing that doesnt hate me i guess :3

kalina

I mean, you certainly wouldn't learn to use emacs or vim, because if you were dedicated to put that much effort in you'd learn a real language

FEichinger

Shuddup!

kalina

08:37

:q!

FEichinger

I use nano because it's pre-installed and I really only need syntax highlighting.

Lighty

i HAVE to use one program at work here, calles Coda2, witch is such IDE, but with FTP inbuild (which is pretty nice)

but its the complete pposite of what im used too

Rory Alsop

@kalina I keep toying with buying in. I'm only on standard beta

Lighty

and it's on Mac, and i HATE this stupid trackpad

Terry Chia

@kalina Emacs actually comes with a real language anyway.

And I'm pretty sure I'd rather write vimscript than php.

@Lighty You upload your code with FTP. That's cute.

Lighty

08:43

@TerryChia it works rather fluent, AND it's immidiately correct in tis place in the website

kalina

how is your versioning support?

Terry Chia

@Lighty I'm guessing you keep track of changes by maintaining different folders?

kalina

inb4

Terry Chia

And share code using USB drives or Dropbox?

kalina

no he totally prints it out and hands it out that way

Lighty

08:45

@TerryChia with my IDE at home, i have file history, over here, not really... only in folders

and we have the hosts at www.byte.nl, one of the better ones here

Terry Chia

@Lighty That's cute. I bet even @FEichinger uses real source control.

kalina

are you sure?

it doesn't sound like that would be true

I mean he uses PHP rather than a real language

and he uses nano rather than a real editor

Lighty

uh, yes, i know the head-chief of the local police force's IT departement, they prefer to host parts at Byte too

Terry Chia

Lighty

and he's far from stupid

well, he's a bit ugly though..

Terry Chia

08:47

@kalina I think Lighty has no clue what we are going on about.

kalina

no, me either

Lighty

nope :3

kalina

@Lighty google source control or change management or "what is github"

Lighty

version control, right?

kalina

in fact I'm pretty sure I had a spolsky article on mercurial bookmarked somewhere

@Lighty yeah the wiki article explains it all in depth

Terry Chia

08:50

@kalina To quote what @Simon has so eloquently stated so many times, "NURD".

Lighty

looks what i have now at home, right-click file > file history > see last 10 versions

kalina

@TerryChia my bookmarks folder is a vast catalog of all of the things that I have known at some point in the past

@Lighty yeah, in the same way that a skateboard is a mode of transport

you certainly wouldn't want to do any real journeys on it

FEichinger

@Terry I do, yes.

Rory Alsop

@kalina I used to commute on a skateboard, when I lived in Germany

Did that for 6 months

was grand

Lighty

it works fine for me, don't know whats wrong with what i'm using now

Rory Alsop

08:53

Skate to U-bahn, skate onto train, travel 6 stops, skate the last couple of miles

Terry Chia

@RoryAlsop Was that before or after the locomotive was invented?

Rory Alsop

@TerryChia hahahahaha

I kinda knew that was coming

Terry Chia

@Lighty Most people don't until they actually tried using real version control.

kalina

@RoryAlsop pedant

Lighty

i have found better radio station

instead of hearing Jubel every half hour, and happy

i get to hear Van Halen

<3

kalina

08:59

right, now I have briefly flashed my potential to own geek credentials, I'm going to go back to being ditzy

and complaining about being bored

life is much easier if people think you're too stupid to understand

because then they have conversations in your presence that they otherwise wouldn't have

Lighty

hm... sounds fammilliar...

kalina

there's an obvious one liner that goes in this space and while I did already type it out, I used my better judgement to prevent it from actually arriving in chat.

Rory Alsop

@kalina :-)

that reminds me

I found something this morning you would like @kalina:

kalina

the anticipation is killing me.

Rory Alsop

Hey - uploading stuff into the DMZ on my mobile is tricky

kalina

09:08

hashtagunbored

I might release an album named that

Rory Alsop

:-)

Terry Chia

@kalina Then we will all know who you are.

kalina

@TerryChia nope, I've decided that you guys aren't even remotely a problem

Rory Alsop

@TerryChia have you not figured it out already?

Terry Chia

@RoryAlsop Should I have?

kalina

09:09

here is my reasoning:

(a) you don't even like my style of music, and therefore will never be listening to it

Rory Alsop

@TerryChia meh - if you could be bothered

kalina

(b) you don't read or care about 99% of the things I say, so I could actually probably just tell you and you wouldn't even notice

Rory Alsop

@kalina of your 3 tracks you posted yesterday, I found none offensive, so I could listen to them as background music

if I had no Slayer

kalina

(c) even if you found out, you wouldn't care enough to appreciate the situation

Rory Alsop

:-)

Terry Chia

09:10

@kalina All true.

kalina

I am pretty confident that I could just say "oh yeah I am <international superstar>" and most of you wouldn't even bother googling it

Rory Alsop

@kalina some of us just may not know the name and go 'okay'

Terry Chia

@kalina Well, that I would do since I am mildly curious and Googling stuff takes zero effort.

Rory Alsop

I only know who calvin harris and tiesto are because their names were written on the hotel across from mine in vegas so I googled

kalina

"last year I made €507,000 and DJ'd all over the world"

"cool story sis"

Rory Alsop

09:12

@kalina wouldn't believe it. No one includes the '07,000' bit

:-)

kalina

I assure you that the first time I break the half mil mark I will be memorising my annual rate of pay down to the penny

Rory Alsop

@kalina oh, sure, but not telling people

kalina

you better believe that I would

FEichinger

@kalina Always these thoughts that no one cares what you say. Tsk!

kalina

ok so my hearing is functional

I should wait until the doctor tells me I'm healed

mmmmmh

mmmmmmh

makes doctors appointment

@FEichinger you don't count

FEichinger

09:18

Heh.

Anywaay, time for my lunch whiskey

badp

@kalina I'm sorry Rebecca

Your fame precedes you. No googling required

Lucas Kauffman

@badp Rebecca who?

badp

@LucasKauffman ...are you sure you have to ask? :P

FEichinger

Are you sure you want to ask?

kalina

@badp this is insulting

FEichinger

09:27

That was the intention, I believe.

kalina

I apologise that you're so stupidly misguided that you'd think my parents - who are dead - are paying for fame rather than me using talents to earn it

but since you want to make that implication it doesn't say much about you as a person

at least you've demonstrated that you missed trolling me so much that you feel compelled to idle in here

such a sad and lonely life you must lead

FEichinger

Everyone misses trolling you.

kalina

No wonder you didn't get to keep your job at Google.

Just not good enough to actually achieve anything yourself so you spend your time deriding other people's achievements

badp

That's precisely what I wanted to say in a nutshell, yes

FEichinger

Oh, look, Jehova's Witnesses in front of the university.

badp

09:37

Your deductive skills never cease to amaze me

FEichinger

Going to be very successful.

Rory Alsop

@FEichinger As a student, one of my hobbies was converting Witnesses. I was particularly successful :-)

I'm guessing I wasn't the only one

FEichinger

Heh.

Rory Alsop

It's like sharing a flat with vegetarians, and cooking bacon every day until they admit defeat

that was another fun hobby

FEichinger

Oh that's evil. :P

Rory Alsop

09:47

I consider it 'healing'

FEichinger

That works.

Kisunminttu

@RoryAlsop Another way to do that is to be brilliant at cooking

kalina

whenever witnesses come around my house I invite them in and then make a game out of convincing them I'm interested for as long as possible

and then I talk about evolution

Terry Chia

@RoryAlsop And how long ago was that? :)

kalina

@TerryChia last ice age

FEichinger

09:51

@kalina When they see me, they usually give up right away. Hand me a flyer, perhaps, but the defeat in their faces the moment they see me is glorious.

Kisunminttu

Why is it that my Finnish brain mixes edit with delete?! The second time this has happened in less than a week

FEichinger

There's a joke about Adnan and brains in there somewhere ...

kalina

I don't see it

Terry Chia

@kalina I think that's the joke?

FEichinger

Well clearly it was deleted when @Kisu tried to edit it.

Rory Alsop

09:58

@FEichinger why is that? Do you come to the door with a Richard Dawkins t-shirt on?

kalina

@RoryAlsop no he just looks like a scientologist

Rory Alsop

there is a bunch that have taken to standing at the top of the stairs from the train station - I haven't yet worked out whether it is better to scowl at them and push past (as they stand in the way) and get to work on time, or to take an earlier train so I can really have a good rant

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