Ouch, $2k for 4 months of work.

That's worse than intern level pay.

@TildalWave Best TV ever.

@StackExchange Gotta say, I'm a little disappointed Randall hasn't done a TrueCrypt comic yet. Maybe he's too busy with the What If book.

@Iszi he's too busy dreaming by the looks of it

@TildalWave I wonder if he eats/smokes special herbs or mushrooms

good morning interwebz

@LucasKauffman Judging by past few months of his comics, he might be in love or eats a lot of chocolate (or both)? :)

A case of pheromones (attraction) -> fermions (equal and opposite) -> fermi paradox (meh, pass!)?

is this a cool tutorial to follow? wikihow.com/Create-a-Secure-Login-Script-in-PHP-and-MySQL

Any moderators here ?

@Iain not from sec.se at the moment, why?

@TildalWave - we need an employee or Server Fault moderator to calm someone down - can you see if anyone is about in TL please ? I'll be in the comms room on SF

@Iain if it's for a chat then any mod can do that (the blue nicknames)

No it's not chat

@Iain OK, I'll ping someone in TL then

@StackExchange Sounds a lot like the premise of the revelation space series.

@Lighty Uses a shitty password hash. And you can block any user you like simply by attempting to log into their account 5 times. Sounds like a great tutorial...

psh, im changing that

im even logging the user IP if possible into the DB

and lol at the javascript side hashing

im just a student, i came across 4 tutorials, one is that one, and 3 of them are in german

@CodesInChaos javascript hashing is good if HTTP is used

@Nick It offers a minimal security improvement against a passive attacker. But given the shitty hash, that's really minimal.

And of course most realistic attackers are active

In short, without HTTPS you're fucked if somebody with a privileged network is evil, you're fucked.

@CodesInChaos well pretty much anyone in the network ARP and other MITMs are easy even for a kid these days

im forced to use HTTPS by my boss for added security

he wants all his products (websites, webshops etc.) to have top-security standart

@Lighty thats a good boss

but according to dutch law, webshops HAVE to have certain security emasures, otherwise, since money/credentials are being processed

i learn alot here ^^

Yeah, using HTTPS is absolutely correct. I wouldn't bother with the client side hashing.

On the server use password_hash

@Lighty yea I wouldnt even enter a password in a shop that doesnt use SSL

(or its compatibility wrapper if you're using an older version of php)

the course im following now at school is rather bad, thats why i have trouble learning now, since school didnt teach me alot

im even doubting if i should continue developing, or maybe after this, do networking/cisco/server management and development

Morning all.

morning grandpa

:)

Look what I just had a play with

One of only 500 in the world

Utterly gorgeous. Needs a bigger engine, but that is normal

murr o.o

sexy little thing of a car ya got dere

Not mine, sadly, but while my car is having it's MOT, I thought I'd check out the other cars

Quite liking the 2014 Subaru WRX STi - might get one of them next

my dad has a 2013 Mercedes Vito, Black

i like that one :S

Only 300bhp stock though, not sure I can cope with such a drop

Trying to work out costs for sorting that...

my mam has a cewl car too, she has reuma, so she cant shift and steer well

its s a 2013 Peugot 107 automatic

really light with steering, small and minimal

:-)

@RoryAlsop alfas are always lovely, then they break down on you

Yarr. This is gorgeous though. All carbon fibre and loveliness

First time I ever drove one, it broke on the M8 clutch pedal went

@RoryAlsop is Formula 1 also one of your things then?

The top cars I have raced are formula 3000 and formula Jaguar Palmer. Would love to take an F1 car out

Rallying is more my thing

dat rear

that window looks cool

Lots of vents and scoops

bah, it makes me think its a ferrari, just because of the red colour

but if there is one car that is really sexy imo

its a mercedes 6x6

boldride.com/ride/2013/brabus-mercedes-benz-b63s-6x6

but the power version is that one that top gear took for a walk in the desert

@RoryAlsop that'd be a good choice IMO

@Lighty man, that's not "a car" anymore

LOL nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2014/06/04/…

give that man a medal

xD

@Tildal - that was local news about a year ago:-)

@RoryAlsop I'm making it global now :P

Heh. Some of the other pictures are even better

This seems so cool 9gag.com/gag/azbw8ej

i tried that once, actually works

Hory shiet!

@Lighty did you try this 9gag.com/gag/a6w6QMb

...maybe

because I totally did that when I was a kid. and I felt so betrayed when I had the same experience as that poor person did.

but did you cry? D:

@Lighty No. I had been toughened by life at a very young age.

No amount of stinging shampoo in my eyes could make me cry.

but how about kittens?

That's a great marketing trick, btw. It sort of implies that it doesn't sting, hence no tears.

This is shocking. independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/…

@RoryAlsop Oh god i love that car

Morning

@kalina allo

hai kalina

@Kisunminttu holy shet, 12 year olds?

@Lighty Yup.

@kalina Morning!

@Lighty It's so scary to think about. As a parent you can try to protect your kids from scary stories, movies, survival horror games but in the end, if there's one kid who is skilled enough to convince the others of something supernatural, that's it.

Reminds me of my early teens, when everyone was scared shitless when we played around with a Ouija board.

indeed, kids do crazy shit on the internet

dont laugh at me

but i own a minecraft server

you owuldn't believe, what 9 through 14 year olds think the internet is

a 12 year old threatnend me (before i knew he was 14) with murder etc. via email

i tracked down his provider, by the domain email adress

a 2 minute search, i found his photo, information etc. via his school website because he used his school email

i called the school by phone and explained, what someone else could do with that info, that was easy to get, and should concider teaching the kids about the dangers of these things :/

@Lighty reminds me of this pic reactionface.info/sites/default/files/images/…

@Lighty Do you know if they did?

no idea

but that page with public info and class photos was removed a day after

Because clearly that's the correct response to allegedly anonymous email death threats.

Treatning is a crime in the netherlands, escpecially ones that look like that, children should be thaught what the internet can do

what? tracing and indentifying if its a person i should know?

i wasnt really far from contacting my freind at the police force, hes the head of IT of my province in the police

No, removing the ability to deanonymize the death threat.

it was stil lsend with a email like this:

As opposed to directly addressing the problem.

[email protected]

totally not tracable

as i said, i was really close calling the cops, but when i found out the email was from a school

i couldnt help myself but contact them, instead of pushing charges on a 12-14 year olld for something stupid

@Lighty You should've pressed charges. Taught him a lesson.

@Lighty Well, they'd have gotten a better lesson, I think :)

@DavidFreitag he would got criminal charges, a fine, and a record that stained his whole life

Hm. This css has been compressed. I should threaten the person who did that with physical violence. That seems reasonable.

capable of ruining his life forever

im not the person who would do that, to a 14 year old

@Kisunminttu i hope so, maybe he learned that the internet is a dark and dangerous place

@Lighty He probably wouldn't have, really. He would have gotten scared shitless and then in the end things would have ended and it would be, at worse, on a record but sealed.

At least in the US.

@Lighty Who threatened to murder you? I think he had it coming...

@Lighty Seriously? If he didn't want those things he wouldn't have threatened you. All you are doing is teaching him that he can get away with things like threating to kill people.

@DavidFreitag it's still a kid, the email was so poorly spelled i had trouble at first reading it before i knew what it was about

as i said, im not the guy, that would condemn a 14 year old with a mark that could stain him for the rest of his life

i was stupid too, like i never set fire to anything, kids do weird shit

@Lighty "u fuqn ashoel imgone kil u" something like that?

Bored

yes

bee oh are eee dee

@kalina I thought you didn't do that sort of thing while chatting here?

xD

I think you ought to know I'm feeling very bored. Here I am, brain the size of a planet and I'm sat in some internet chat room. Call that life satisfaction? 'Cause I don't.

it has been approximately 12 minutes since the last masturbation joke

@DavidFreitag

Also I hate mobile chat. I'd rather be an American in the middle east than mobile chat

and ffs, England is so cold and gloomy. I hate being back.

@TildalWave Don't stress yourself bigboy. If you feel the need to apologize for an errant f-bomb then you would be shocked at a normal day in my environment.

"big boy" ...

Something to share?

Not especially

@kalina Some chicken jerky trail mix.

yawn Afternoon.

Girls sent home from school for wearing sleeve less tops that show their bra straps because it distracts the boys

thinkprogress.org/health/2014/06/02/3443919/…

With a quote saying "boys will be boys"

:/

As though boys can't control themselves and that is deemed as our problem

we have a rule at our school "wear clothes as you would in a professional enviorment", with exclusions for summer and hoodies/sweaters

Porn is also a "profession".

so if you walk in in a jogging suit, or dressed as a barbie doll, you will be sent home

it doesnt really have good reputation...

Next they'll be saying "oh some boy raped this girl because he couldn't control himself but because the girl was wearing a tank top it's her fault"

poeple say that

actually

@kalina They're not already saying that?

id say its a part of the problem, it makes you only an easier target...

@FEichinger htt ps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLZ8L6SZmaA <--nsfw

What with merely looking already being considered rape by half of tumblr.

ocourse rory joins us too

@Lighty college humour sketch

but apposite to the discussion

Not yet no

Well it gets said in passing

@Rory Mobile, but I saw the thumb. I know that one. :P

i know rory, dont worry, i dont think youre a porn-addict

But as far as I know nobody has gotten away with it based on that reasoning before?

@Lighty you're from holland you can't talk :op

i heard people in the US got away with the quote "its not rape of you enjoy it"

hush rory, dont etll my secret

yeahh.... this kind of shows how broken things are

> We were actually given a presentation at the beginning of every school year, and they were telling us, ‘Well, you can’t wear certain types of shirts because they’re afraid that male students will take it the wrong way,

No, @lighty if a man can't control himself that is never a woman's problem. Such men should just die

Since rape is still considered worse than murder and nobody ever listening to anything after the word "rape", I wouldn't be surprised.

i totally agree

@scott exactly

Now, now, less homicidal thoughts, dear.

Anyway that's enough brain damage from reading news

im jsut hnting out, if girls just wouldnt act and dress like total sl-.. err, barbie dolls, maybe its easier to evade such situations

Remember that one time when someone was responsible for what they did? Good times.

starred for complete truth

Erm

@Lighty you should probably think about what you just wrote.

i suck at explaining, let me clear this up

If men can wear underwear and pretend it's a full dress, so should women.

@FEichinger Eh?

I do not want to Google pictures of men in muscle shirts now, just to make my point ...

rapist should die, that was @kalina's quote, you are right, that would solve alot, not to excuse them, their actions are extremely horrible, since they damage the person physicly and also mentally, but if teens in clubs, area's etc. would dress inviting, to give it a word that isnt offensive, maybe some situations could be easier avoided

you just made me steal my friend's PC so I could type rather than use my phone

@FEichinger Who says muscle shirts are considered full dress?

@kalina "friend"?

@Lighty FUCK THAT SHIT

@Lighty Are you retarded?

People who hold this opinion are basically as bad as the people who are guilty of these things

This is NOT an acceptable "excuse"

You can't even use it for a reason

@Rory An awful lot of people at my university, from the looks of our Economics faculty ...

If men cannot control themselves that is their problem and those men should be dealt with severely

see, i suck at explaining

@Lighty You're basically just advocating exactly what we're saying is the root core of the problem. People not being able to take responsibility for their own actions.

And by severely I mean mutilation, castration, hanging in public, punishments against their families, extradition to chenobyl

Also, I love the simultaneous reaction by @Kisu and @kalina. Heh.

Murder is one thing

I don't see murder as that bad

because once it's done, it's done

It's not that you suck at explaining it's that you really truly are saying, "If women didn't wear short skirts they wouldn't get raped."

rape or other sexual abuse, domestic violence, etc - that's something the victim has to live with for the rest of their lives

i know im stupid, but jsut please bear with me, @ScottPack, no, that was far from what i itended

@kalina Yes but that's too easy. A rapist shouldn't get off that easy.

you should cook them in a brass bull

what gives any individual the right to catastrophically damage another individual's mentality in that way and why do those people still get to retain "human rights" after willingly violating the rights of another?

"murder" is also prettx "for the rest of their life" ...

> but if teens in clubs, area's etc. would dress inviting, to give it a word that isnt offensive, maybe some situations could be easier avoided

@FEichinger it's not the same and your pedantic reasoning is annoying

meh, fuck it, no way im going to explain that right

i suck at explaining, so lets keep it with rapists should die

there, end of story

have a nice day

that's because your entire train of thought on the matter is wrong

stop trying to look for somebody else to blame

the world would work a lot better if "human rights" was not a right but in fact a privilege that could be taken away in the instance you violate the human rights of another person

im not blaming others

you are the only one responsible for your crimes

@Lighty you did, your first thought was "well they invited it"

@kalina Isn't that kinda what prison is?

@kalina I have plenty other reasons to take issue with the notion or rape being worse than murder, but your point is perfectly valid.

@DavidFreitag lol, prisoners get food, water, shelter, beds, tvs, etc

that was not my first thought @kalina

@kalina so kill all the criminals eh, just as well there's never miscarriages of justice

@kalina Not in Russia they don't

Prisons should be Russia's main form of export.

prisoners should be chained to the wall in a damp building with freezing temperatures and "getting out" should be more a case of surviving your sentence rather than chilling out until you're released

@kalina ah the american model, that's worked so well for them

no better prevention for crime than going to prison having a 99% chance of dying from the cold

@RоryMcCune We don't have prisons in America. They are little more than hotels with bars in the windows.

@kalina yeah all those damn drug takers that'll teach them

@kalina Need I remind you that you're not exactly a law-abiding citizen either? ;)

@DavidFreitag RLY, that's not the general perception of american prison life

@DavidFreitag That's not quite fair. Hotels generally have more beds than guests. These days most prisons are hot racking.

@FEichinger I do nothing that infringes on another individuals' human rights

@Lighty , honey, it's not that you are trying to explain something and we're just not "getting" it - we know what you are trying to say, and what you're trying to say is wrong. Sex should always be a consensual act, it doesn't matter what the other person is wearing or not wearing. It's not like you are going to a store and you just happened to walk past the pastries and WHAM, you ate all of them because "I just couldn't help myself, it was too inviting"

"I murdered all of the babies, I couldn't help myself, they were so defenseless. It's their fault for not being able to defend themselves"

Those pastries gave me no choice but to plow into them like a train through a bank.

Lighty approved of your excuse

@Kisu To be fair, if you leave a gun out in the open and someone uses it, you're responsible for that, too. (Not that I disagree with your point, it's just a very weird thing all around.)

@ScottPack Oh yeah plow that bear claw.

@DavidFreitag It was totally asking for it.

Oh, hey, rain.

To be clear: I'm not defending people who wear skirts that reveal their underwear

I'm talking about the article that spawned this conversation

about girls wearing normal clothes getting sent home

My point is: there are no extenuating circumstances to rape. Ever.

@ScottPack With those sexy bits of almond

It is one of those things that requires the individual doing that to be completely aware of what they're doing

you can't exactly "do it by accident"

there can never be "I never meant to"

@kalina But it was icy and i slipped

@DavidFreitag multiple times, over and over again, for several minutes

no.

And that should be the main point on that matter, @Kisu @kalina.

@kalina Right, it's icy. It's not just going to melt.

@kalina Oh! Fun Fact! My Alma Mater had a rule that said women were not allowed to wear shorts outside of their dormitory unless they were going too or from PE at which point they must be wearing a coat long enough to reach their knees. I think it was finally pulled sometime in the 70s.

thanks @Kisunminttu

I got traction for just long enough to fall again. Over and over. And over.

and thanks for rubbing it in @kalina

I've lived with men, you're not good enough at aiming your thing to "fall into place"

:3

I win at the star game

I'm here all week

*bows*

@kalina I've been a man for over 30 years. I totally agree with that statement.

@kalina But that's just it. I wasn't aiming it was an accident.

@DavidFreitag uhuh, right

@DavidFreitag Consider the consequences of poor aim. crunch

@ScottPack Holographic sight. Totally works.

@DavidFreitag Why are you sliding over ice with an erection?

@Scott eye twitching

@ScottPack I'm pretty sure it would break off in any circumstance.

@Kisunminttu The better question is why wouldn't I?

STARS FOR STAR QUEEN @kalina THE TRUE LEADER OF THE DMZ

I'm surprised I haven't been given room owner yet

Because that would allow you to manipulate stars, dear. That would be unfair.

@Kisunminttu The ice was asking for it. Here i was walking through town when I saw this sexy bit of ice when some woman got in my way.

@kalina Your clothes are too covering. I've been able to restrain myself.

@DavidFreitag What a bitch!

@ScottPack hardly, if I went to a Newfie school I'd get sent home for showing my bra straps

@kalina Wait. You wear tank tops? Excuse me, I see some pastries that are totally asking for it.

@ScottPack hey I was in a bikini most of last week, I'm obviously asking to be violated

@kalina Clearly.

I think it's about time some of these men died

It's time for a feministing vigilante

I find that whole double standard pretty unfair. I've never been violated when I wear a bikini.

@kalina I read that as "It's time for a fisting vigilante"

@DavidFreitag Totally did that, too.

@ScottPack to be fair you did look like a gorilla in a bikini

@kalina You are pretty distracting.

@ScottPack not by anyone not wearing police uniforms no

@kalina It's true, I am kind of furry.

@kalina Hey, nothing wrong with that. Just attracts a... certain kind of audience

@ScottPack "kind of", bigfoot followed you around knowing you'd get picked up first

At least I have a shapely booty.

@ScottPack That's only because you actually did ask for it.

now that I've finished carefully responding to @Lighty's stupidity

I am going back to mobile

carefully

yea right

shouting moron at me next time costs less time

@Lighty You wouldn't learn from that. It's unfair to do that.

People in here will tell you that my response was careful

@Lighty MORON

Because I'm not banned and you're still here

true @Kisunminttu

@BarryCarlyon DOUCHECANARY

flies round the room like a DOUCHECANARY

Well done.

crashes into the chandalier

@kalina i went through school too, poeple arent really freindly when they hear you are Bisexual, makes you easy prey

splash

Name calling is not the same as penetrating somebody against their wishes while overpowering them

Not even remotely in the same league

i was talking about your response, not the subject it was on... :S

My response is proportionate to the severity of the subject and your apparent nonchalance