@deed02392 Erm. AppleCare.

I iz tired

@DavidFreitag No it's not. My MBA has 2GB.

"Blind ROP", otherwise known as fuzzing.

@TerryChia Yeah... Certainly appears to take the "P" out of ROP if it's blind.

Ha?!

I see, he's not active in detection-evasion :p

Oh, I'm so funny.

@Adnan Shouldn't that tag be a synonym of hiding-in-a-cave?

Also, how do you flag a profile?

@TerryChia While I think it's stupid, idiotic, pointless, and pure trolling, I don't think it's flag-worthy.

The name doesn't contain profanities, and the profile doesn't encourage violent/terrorist behavior. No hate speech, nothing that violates the rules.

@TerryChia But if you really want to flag it, then flag one of his posts/comments and use a custom flag reason.

@Adnan Meh, too much work.

Oi @AviD, @RoryAlsop. Look up a little. I'll leave it to you guys to decide if anything needs to be done.

See, much easier. :)

This is confusing the shit of out me: tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4492#section-5.1.2

Anyone understands it and care to explain?

@TerryChia What are you trying to do?

@Adnan I'm trying to construct a TLS ClientHello with the EC extensions now. (The one without EC is working fine already.)

I don't get the format.

@TerryChia This is more fun codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/28279/…

@Adnan Heh, it's not meant to be fun.

This made me laugh.

@TerryChia is it genuine?

it could be worse:

@Gilles Yep, microsoft.com/surface/en-us/products/compare

Pretty fail advertising.

Surface 2      over 100000 apps     ✓
iPad           over 500000 apps     ✕

the iPad Air also has more pxiels even if you take away a black band to watch a 16:9 movie, right? Though probably less real estate

@Gilles Yep. The Surface 2's aspect ratio is definitely better for videos but the iPad Air has way more pixels. And 4:3 is lovely for web surfing.

as far as I'm concerned, the most important comparison is:

Surface 2      sucky OS cannot be changed     ✕
iPad           sucky OS cannot be changed     ✕

@Gilles I think there have been some success with booting linux on the surface 2?

That might be the surface pro though.

The Surface's detachable keyboard looks better than the alternatives with Android models though. I'd like that.

typical of Microsoft: the only thing they get right is the hardware

And some people managed to boot Windows on an iOS device. That one is pretty funny. :P

@TerryChia I thought it hadn't. Link?

@Gilles Don't have one off-hand might @RоryMcCune might. I think it was he who mentioned it to me.

@TerryChia Duh, everything has a solution if you keep throwing more money at it

@TerryChia @Gilles yeah it can be done but it doesn't work brilliantly well

we had it working on a surface pro 1

key point is pro and not straight surface

the pros are basically just PCs the surfaces are ARM devices

@deed02392 It's an extended warranty. Totally worth it.

@RоryMcCune I'm assuming the Pro is using UEFI and the regular surface not?

@RоryMcCune oh, only on the x86 ones? Not interested, I want decent battery life at decent weight

@TerryChia Probably worth considering

@Gilles then you want ... the new surface pro 3!

800g 9+hours battery life

@TerryChia think so , but I'd need to check to be sure..

@Gilles it has been possible to jailbreak the ARM ones to run more windows apps but I don't think they've got as far as Linux yet..

i have a Surface tablet, i like it so far, OS is pretty stable en fluent, good battery life, sounds and video is good too, i dont see why people keep telling me the Win OS sucks, the PC version of 8.1 is also flawless for me :3

@Lighty yeah I like windows 8.1. The metro interface ain't great on anything apart from tablets but it doesn't get in the way much and the rest of the OS is improved since 7, so overall a win...

@RоryMcCune Or you could convert to the Linux side! ;)

@RoryMcCune the Metro is a fun ADDITION to the PC version of the OS, so i can basicly have the same apps on my pc that i use on my tablet, althrough most stuff i use on my PC is on the desktop (duh), and Win8(.1) is mainly far more freindlier with multitasing, stability, and freindlier to multiple screens :3

@TerryChia been there done that, still use it a lot (started with linux as a main desktop just before Fedora Core started). Horses for courses really

these days I use windows for my main desktop a linux VM for testing

Linux is only fun when you break somthing and have to fix it, or when you get complicated stuff done... i use windows because my developer tools are on there, and my games

and other.... interesting stuff :)

@Gilles are you in the market for a new portable too?

eeee this is fun, when other people are doing it i'll feel less bad when I inevitably impulse buy one

@Gilles It's called being human, we have a old spell for that in the netherlands "when one sheep goes over the dam, the rest will follow"

@Lighty Sounds like lemmings

@deed02392 what have tiny mice have to do with that? o.o

Haha. lemmings are a creature apparently known to be so stupid they often fall to their deaths

well, i get where youre going, humans are pretty stupid too

I think i'm more familiar with the saying that lemmings will follow each other off a cliff/dam than sheep

well, in the netherlands, we have other syaings then whereever you live oh great deed02392

@deed02392 no, neither portable phone nor portable computer

@deed02392 ya know that's an urban myth right... snopes.com/disney/films/lemmings.asp

@Lighty natuurlijk

and all the versions of Windows I've ever used suck, and from what I've seen Windows 8 sucks even more, so it's right out

ahw noes, another windows hater D:

@deed02392 goedzo ;3

@RоryMcCune Yea, I'm thinking of the old NES game :)

plus it takes me about 5 minutes with a computer to want to do something that the OS vendor didn't think of

so I am not using a jailed device, period

I'm fine with a jailed washing machine, but not a jailed PDA (“smartphone”) or tablet

my OS isnt jailed at all o.o

i jailbreak everything..

yarr harr

...i'm currently picturing someone jailbreaking a washing machine

@Gilles actually doesn't really suck (well of course it might as suckage is a purely personal concept), powershell is actually pretty cool these days as a shell scripting language for instance...

@RоryMcCune yes, powershell seems all right (except for the insanely verbose syntax for something that is meant to be usable interactively), but I already know perl and python (ruby's on my todo list), so there's little mileage in learning powershell. That plus powershell is only usable on a niche OS.

wtf am I looking at

don't tell me someone didn't know what a God damn comment is supposed to look like in XML

@Gilles lol not sure I'd call windows "niche", sure if you have no cause to automate windows boxes or other things it does, it's no more useful than python, but for what it does it's pretty nice

@deed02392 my eyes! that formatting.... must... not... compy... to... developerocd...

still, nice to see someone using a black background for once

@Lighty I think the author genuinely believed this was the only way to put comments in

@Gilles also looks like they're working on using it to manage linux boxes too... blogs.msdn.com/b/powershell/archive/2014/05/19/…

so presumably the file parsing this XML has to use their own makeshift comment detection

i mostly use /*! blablablapenisblabla */ , since my program marks it as a "bookmark" for itself as easy navigation

insanity.

well this is XML

so <!-- -->

i think /*! */ was CSS...

css uses /* */

meh, i dont care, i dont comment in/on XML's

no ! needed

well if you do, don't do it like the screenshot

then i have no idea where i got that from

I will hurt you

yes mum :3

good boy

@RоryMcCune My personal opinion? That has zero chance of taking off in the Linux world.

@RоryMcCune given the number of Windows boxes that I regularly use vs the number of Linux boxes… niche. Yes, it might be different for other people.

@TerryChia s'not meant to, it's meant for windows admins who have linux boxes to manage to be able to use one toolset to do it :)

Also niche in that Windows only runs on desktop computers (and servers if you're really crazy). I have a Linux command line on my desktop, my server, my phone, my router...

@Gilles sure if you take niche as a personal term rather than a global one then only you can be the arbiter of niche, I was more referring to it in a wider sense...

@gilles i disagree on windows servers being a bad idea

@Gilles you don't feel that you're being slightly reactionary by describing people running windows servers as crazy? Windows server 2012 seems quite nice in a number of ways

my dad had a small buisness server on his work for 16 years, it had run server 2003 dev (wich is a 2001-2002 versio)

and never touched it again

it still works today

:3

@Lighty On the desktop side, there are things that Windows does better (for me, it's running a program that can work with documents in Microsoft Office format — namely Office). But on servers?

I like Jade comments

Good old //

hm, what is that weird number under my name on the left of the chat? in the chat profile, it shows the badges from the mothersite, so i thought the number was Rep, but its clearly off by a good hundred...

@Lighty it's the total rep across SE sites

updated with a delay, and IIRC the association bonus (which you don't have yet) doesn't count

ah, got it, thanks

@MaciejGurban What brings you here, intruder?

@Gilles I think the rule is slightly different. Perhaps it filters sites with < 200 rep or something similar

@TerryChia followed

@Adnan Just passing by

Do we want this here? It looks like it's going to be migrated to SO. serverfault.com/questions/597380/…

Over the past few weeks, I've been learning coding in Python

It was quite easy (& lot of fun)...

Soon, I got into encryption

I thought of writing an algorithm by myself (armed with not-so-bad coding experiences)

And, I did complete it. Then, I started finding new ways of intruding it, so that I can apply patches

So far (after 10 revisions or so), it seems good... I'm satisfied

Even though I know that mine's not even close to the AES (:P), I'm curious about it's security

Can you fellas do me a favor of enlightening me up? Honestly, I'm not very good in IT sec. or crypto, that's why I'm here :)

Oh, and here's the code... github.com/Wafflespeanut/Python/tree/master/Encryption

@Waffle'sCrazyPeanut You're good to go. Start using it to protect PCI data.

@Adnan can he certify it as "Adnan Approved(tm)"?

its definetly Potato© Certified

Potato ©ertified?

@Adnan Oh, money transaction... Is it that secure? :D

My eyes.

They hurt.

@FEichinger Mission accomplished

@TildalWave How do you like my Photoshop skills? :D

@Adnan That's a bad coloring scheme... A greyscale would've been better :P

@Waffle'sCrazyPeanut Bad coloring scheme? Hehehehehe

Oh you!

As if that's the only wrong thing there.

whiny D:

@Adnan Do I need to pay to certify my product?

@TerryChia Absolutely. Each time the SHA-1 digest of your binaries change, you have to pay 10000 EUR for re-certification.

euw.leagueoflegends.com/board/…

@Adnan Hmm, that's much cheaper than FIPS. Sold!

ah crap, wrong format

its supposed to be a picture of the PC that code is certified for D:

@Lighty a... bread board?

@Adnan: Did you like the cipher? (at least, it's name? :P)

a POTATO

WHAT DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND HERE?! D:

@Waffle'sCrazyPeanut I'm very veeeeery veeeeeeeeeeeeeeery far from being anywhere near being close to being somewhat good with crypto, but I'm taking a look at it.

First thing I noticed is that your encryption process always has the same initial state

@Adnan No problem... Fine with me :)

Meaning that encrypting the same information twice produces the same ciphertext for the same key.

Adnan is a potato hater );

@Adnan yeah... Sadly, I'm still working on that (along with, getting a fixed output - like 128 bits) :/

@Lighty It's a piece of bread.. you know, for bread boards?

The dude replaced the bread board with an actual piece of bread

It's sort of a pun

(get it? :D)

its not a bread, but a potato

so your pun is invalid D:

@Adnan Um, what I fail to understand is that why would that matter? After all, it's difficult to crack with the wrong key, right?

(Like I said, I'm half-baked in cryptography... Be gentle with me :P)

@Waffle'sCrazyPeanut It leaks information about the plaintext.

Which is bad.

Or good, depending on which god you worship.

ah... I see that now

Okay, to the next question then. Would fixing the output to 64-bits or 128-bits matter?

@Waffle'sCrazyPeanut Who knows?

Do you want a block-cipher, or a stream-cipher?

Because, I've seen algorithms using 500 or so iterations, but still fixing it to 128-bit output (for small phrases)

A block-cipher works on fixed sizes (blocks of data).

Then, what about the stream?

Takes the whole stream of data and work on it

Oh, then mine's the latter :D

How about this? Start with the wiki articles on block ciphers and stream ciphers, then read up on initialization vectors, and after that try to read a bit about attacks on crypto

Understand the whole picture

and then, after you see the whole picture, you'll be so frightened that you'll drop the whole idea

which is good.

Very well... I'm convinced. I'll bring the message once I've dropped this scary thing (I'm gonna devote this week to crypto)

Adnan, the reverse psychologist!

Thank you @Adnan :)

@Adnan?

@Lighty Yes, love?

@Adnan Not exactly right I think? In a stream cipher the plaintext is worked on byte by byte.

whats your opinion on the use of Chocolate Chip Cookies in the workplace?

Saying that it takes the entire stream at once and work on it isn't really accurate. (Being pedantic here)

@TerryChia I'd say you're correct, that wasn't worded optimally.

It works on the whole stream... bit by bit (not byte by byte. Being pedantic, you know)

@Adnan Ah, yes. I meant to say bit.

And a stream cipher is normally a PRF (or was it a PRP? I can never remember the difference) fed with the key and xor-ed with the plaintext.

@Adnan If you were targeting Gibson's color scheme, you nailed it :))

should be double rainbow tho

all the cool unicorns use double rainbows

@Lighty I'm absolutely for it. I love chocolate chip cookies

Oh @TildalWave... There you are... Been a long time since I chatted with you :D

@Waffle'sCrazyPeanut was a while, true ... nice weather here so I took the opportunity

@Lighty In fact, here's what I'm wearing now

You know, cookie monster.

@TildalWave Always with the funny way out... :D

@Adnan "wearing" ... That's just a selfie!

i love you @Adnan

have my babies

That's a strange means of relationship... (does that often happen here?) :D

im sorry for the typo

@Waffle'sCrazyPeanut Sadly, yes.

i meant Rabies

<3

@Lighty and I love you too.

For some reason, I suspect that @Lighty is @Kisuminttu sockpuppet

@Waffle'sCrazyPeanut Well, it is a "way out" but not one of avoidance. You probably heard what shit of floods was on the Balkans, well that crap of weather was first here, although luckily we're a less flat country so not much damage here, but it was still depressing. When you get some sun after such a downpour you wanna seize the day(s) ;)

@Adnan I had to check, like, three times that it wasn't the same account.

@Adnan Who I suspect is your sockpuppet. So you have two sockpuppets now?

One for each hand I presume?

...

;)

then you must be the 3rd sockpuppet

I don't think I even need to make the obvious joke here.

@FEichinger Hehe.

@FEichinger That I have 3 hands?

who says i was talking about a HAND?

@TildalWave I bet you'd never be able to survive at my hometown. It's hot like hell...

@Lighty Feet? I'm not into that kind of stuff, man.

@TerryChia Wasn't @Kisuminttu a sockpuppet of that who shall not be pinged?

:3

im not a sockpuppet by the way D:

@Lighty So you are the love of my life?

yes :3

i can cook

@Adnan Didn't you read? not a sockpuppet!

Oh, I can cook as well. That's not an issue

youre just jealous, hush D:

@FEichinger I can have multiple loves of my life.

ohmai

@Lighty What else can you do?

aaand here she is.

@Kisuminttu, here's @Lighty, the love of my life.

i can cook... im an animal in bed... i have a taste of fine drinks... i like gaming ;)

@FEichinger That's the dream.

@Lighty You have 5 seconds to list two good port wines.

@Adnan Wouldn't it be more accurate to list two good years when it comes to port wines?

@Lighty That second point can be interpreted in two completely different ways.

i said drinks, not wine

but i like some fine white wine

@Lighty What's your favorite?

@Lighty Wait wait.. are you a guy or a girl?

Actually, doesn't matter. Both are good.

my favourite DRINK or WINE? wine is a sweet and thin white wine, and drinks possibly Smirnoff Ice woth lots of ice, or some old Shandy

im a Lighty

not a guy or girl

just, lighty

@Lighty Alright, works for me.

@Adnan, I like @Lighty . A keeper?

@Kisunminttu I don't know. Remember what happened to the last one?

o.ô

what happened to the last one?...

I look away for five minutes, and suddenly a new SE love triangle develops.

Interesting.

@FEichinger We probably shouldn't ask.

@Adnan Yeah but that was a freak accident.

@Kisunminttu Okay okay, I guess we can try it one more time.

is it alright to be scared? D:

@Adnan No, but seriously. Some love triangles just weren't meant to be. I have a good feeling about this one.

@Lighty Shhh, honey... hugs

@Kisunminttu Oh, what a shame. It is 17

@Adnan Legal in Finland!

ಠ_ಠ

no-one has to know >;3

@Kisunminttu Oh, seems to be legal in the Netherlands as well.

What was it in Germany? 17?

hush D:

Oh wow, it's 14 in Germany.

@Adnan Speaking of Germany, my new cast has the colors of the German flag.

@Adnan :D

Hush little @TerryChia don't say a word. No one wants to hear a whiny bird.

@Adnan Yes, it is.

what is?

legal drinking age?

xD

Age of consent in Germany is indeed 14.

@ScottPack I'm hurt. :(

@Kisunminttu Alright, I'll see it after work.

(Although there are some exception clauses and whatnot ... But that is the gist.

@FEichinger Hmm.. I actually found that quite surprising

@Adnan Well, Germany tries to be reasonable and put age of consent below the legal drinking age ...

Which is kinda complicated, when legal drinking age is 16/18 in the beer nation.

its 18 in the netherlands here o.o

It's 18 in Finland as well, right @Kisunminttu?

For 2%+ beer at least

@Adnan Age of consent 16, legal drinking age is 18 (20 for buying hard liquor)

im at work, but i could use an ice-cold drink now >.>

@Kisunminttu Have you seen my Adnan Approved seal?

its kinda hawt in here

@Adnan Dear Lord, that is hilarious : D I laughed

@Lighty Thanks to you ;)

@Kisunminttu One of the reasons I love you. You laugh at my stupid stuff :*

ohmai :3

who just doesnt love stupid stuff...

i mean, i find that stuff rather hilarious

just like that guy that got his balls stick inbetween the weeden boards of a chair

i mean..uhh...

nevermind

@Adnan Your funny stuff is hilarious to me, but it's not the only reason I love you :*

its the haircut

@Adnan I sort of want to have that as my phone background now... Do you approve of HTC phones?

@Kisunminttu Oh dear lord, don't.

@Adnan Should I switch to a Nokia? Is that better?

indestructable Adnan

me like

@Waffle'sCrazyPeanut I can deal with say up to 35° if it's not too moist :)

@Kisunminttu I don't know, I'll have to ask my lizard.

It's currently on the desk, playing

i hope that lizard is a dragon

@Adnan Oh, it's okay, it already called mine. It said it's fine.

@Lighty No, but we have a velociraptor? Does that work for you?

if it has a tail, im alright with it

@Adnan Oh, and the lizards don't like the octopus. They say he keeps stealing their stuff with one tentacle while the others are distracting them.

did someone say.... tentacles? ;)

@Kisunminttu Is it allowed to sub-lease VOAS apartments?

@Adnan You have to have approval from VOAS

You guys are weird.

My mom's jealous.

Yep, self-mom'd, you didn't expect that DID YOU?

If I wanna do a PXE boot on a network, I know you need the support for that in DHCP but can you just run another DHCP server alongside your current non-PXE server, and the NIC BIOS trying to boot will try more than one server in its attempts?

have you tried turning it off and on again?

@deed02392 I think you just broke the allowed maximum acronyms in a sentence.

@Simon well... well... my mom is jealous too! D:

lol

there's only 4

and BIOS hardly counts, it's practically a word unto itself now