The DMZ

Rory Alsop

15:00

Oh no - you are doing Now That's What I Call Music volume 198!

kalina

@TerryChia not a spurious comment

there have been parts of my life where I've had to make the choice between food and heat

going to a club and listening to music or buying music

TV or buying record decks

and now I can afford to buy music

I get given it for free and asked to play it

and free drugs

and free music software

so what is the point of being able to afford it?

the grass is way greener on this side of the fence

Rоry McCune

@kalina my thought would be that the point of money is there to let you do stuff you enjoy .. as long as it's doing that and not making you miserable, it's a good thing (tm)

kalina

@RoryAlsop not quite what I was thinking of

Rory Alsop

@kalina :-)

It is a very weird set of values that are rewarded in a capitalist society. This comes up in conversation at home. Wife=nurse=paid a pittance. Me=infosec=good salary. Me=bit of guitar noodling=potentially loads of money

AviD

@RоryMcCune that's a big change from the usual... ;-)

kalina

15:16

@RoryAlsop yeah, stick to my principles and make music I love, make a living out of it, tour around dj'ing for a decade, retire, comment on other people's music

or

punch a hole in the international pop charts by releasing pop, make enough per year to buy several private islands, tour in stadiums, retire, do TV or whatever

or, as my so called agent is currently trying to get me to do

modelling to "attract my demographic"

so they can stare at my ass instead of listen to my music

Terry Chia

@kalina It was a joke! :)

Rоry McCune

ahh catering to the 16-24 male crowd...

kalina

I know I can never be a true superstar anyway because my opinions can't be purchased

so there will be no "l'oreal: because you paid me to say it"

Rory Alsop

@kalina I'd like to do a l'oreal advert (only because I have incredibly short hair)

Terry Chia

@RoryAlsop In a kilt. That would be awesome.

kalina

15:22

this whole thing is certainly an experience, though

I never knew time could move so fast

Rоry McCune

@kalina wait till you get old, flys in then

Rory Alsop

t.co/vvUMRTqs2G

stair slides

kalina

my life has been properly turned upside down in the process as well

Rory Alsop

@kalina that was the Fresh Prince

kalina

now I wake up at 6:30 am every day

I go to sleep at 11:45pm monday to thursday

6 hours 45 minutes of regular sleep

feels weird

Rory Alsop

15:29

heh - you're so conventional

kalina

I also stopped playing games and watching TV except rare circumstances

SE usage died off as part of my list of things I gave up to make room for the new thing

although I will keep upholding that the reason I no longer use SE is because of @Gilles

Rоry McCune

@kalina sounds like this pays better than Internet points tho'

kalina

but it's actually purely a time thing

well, yes, actually

it's also kinda like internet points

in fact, there are multiple internet point type things

like... twitter followers

likes on facebook

ticket purchases

Rоry McCune

@kalina I was about to say that, we could all follow your twitter :op

kalina

the ever increasing smile on my bank manager's face

parasitic bastard

soon he will just be a big grin with legs

David Freitag

15:32

God I'm so glad finals are over and done with

CodesInChaos

kalina

@RоryMcCune psh, you wouldn't be following "me" anyway

more like some random commenting on things that I'm doing

Rоry McCune

@kalina well on the Internet what really is identity anyway

kalina

well things like that matter to me

Terry Chia

@RоryMcCune You want the philosophical version or the infosec version?

Rоry McCune

15:34

@TerryChia how about the philosophical Infosec version?

kalina

I am not a brand

Rory Alsop

philphosec

Terry Chia

@RоryMcCune Oh, we need @AviD for that.

kalina

I am a living breathing person

Sam

the rest of us are just bots...

Rоry McCune

15:34

@kalina possibly ... or you're a program generating strings in a chat room

AviD

@TerryChia oh I think I've done that here a couple times.

search the transcript...

Terry Chia

@AviD Hence the ping.

kalina

@RоryMcCune no, I am definitely living and breathing, and a person

Rоry McCune

@kalina sounds like the kind of thing a bot would say :op

kalina

don't make me xD you

AviD

15:35

@kalina oh that applies to the rest of us, as well.

@kalina so, come on, be truthful. Is this a distasteful porn thing?

or, for that matter, a tasteful porn thing.

kalina

no, it's not porn

FEichinger

@kalina Now I'm almost disappointed.

AviD

@FEichinger or relieved?

Rory Alsop

xD ?

kalina

great, the first thing you say to me in MONTHS and it's about how you're disappointed that I didn't give up on my dreams and just suck dick like the easy route to fame that it is

Rory Alsop

15:38

sounds like a type of guitar - the Gibson xD

FEichinger

@kalina This is not true. It's by far not the first thing I say to you in months.

kalina

"o/" doesn't count

neither does "\o"

Rоry McCune

@kalina what about \o/

FEichinger

I've kept up my daily greetings for a long time ... You just never responded, so I gave you some space. :(

kalina

also doesn't count

@FEichinger it's hard to respond when you're not aroudn/busy/unavailable/etc

FEichinger

15:40

@kalina I figured as much - hence why I gave you space for that to change.

kalina

I am going to MCM this weekend

I was originally going in a super outrageous outfit

and now I'm going in stealth mode

Rory Alsop

Evening @Waffle'sCrazyPeanut

not seen you around for a bit

kalina

not looking forward to the smog in London

Waffle's Crazy Peanut

@RoryAlsop Good evening... (It's night here) :D

kalina

definitely won't be as relaxing as gran canaria last week

Rory Alsop

15:43

@kalina no-one ever does

Waffle's Crazy Peanut

@RoryAlsop No broadband for a few weeks, then exams, then dialup sucking..., and now --> VACATION!!! (for 2-months) ;-)

So, I'll be around from today... :)

Rory Alsop

@Waffle'sCrazyPeanut yay - how did exams go

Waffle's Crazy Peanut

@RoryAlsop I don't give much preference to the exams... There's a good reason for that

It's very much due to the education system here... Gotta memorize a lot of things mercilessly to survive, which I hate

But, there are a few subjects (like aerodynamics, kinematics & dynamics of machines) where I can rock (which did go well, as usual) ;-)

Rоry McCune

@kalina You could have featured in a sneaky Zebra video, they're cosplayer stuff at MCM is usually pretty cool

Rory Alsop

@RоryMcCune Die Antwoord just get weirder : youtube.com/watch?v=JvMXVHVr72A

kalina

15:48

@RоryMcCune I am specifically avoiding a future incident

Rory Alsop

NSFW probably

Waffle's Crazy Peanut

BTW, @RoryAlsop: I see a nice gravatar of yours (though I like your previous clown very much) :P

kalina

so I am going to cosplay a human civilian circa 2014

rather than going as hatsune miku

Rоry McCune

@RoryAlsop .... ya know I didn't think that was possible, but yep I think you may be right!

CodesInChaos

@kalina How is hmiku "super outrageous"?

kalina

15:51

I... Improvised the outfit slightly to fit in with the trend of oversexualising charactors

FEichinger

14 mins ago, by FEichinger

@kalina Now I'm almost disappointed.

kalina

I know, me of all people making an effort to fit in

deed02392

>_<

Undo

... ever since I stepped in this room once six months ago I get a notification every week for your question of the week thing -.-

Terry Chia

@Undo That's the idea.

FEichinger

15:58

@Undo Beautiful, isn't it? Keeps you here forever.

With no chance of ever escaping ...

Undo

... yup :P

Waffle's Crazy Peanut

16:14

Oh my... The room is silent :D

Simon

My D is silent.

4

Terry Chia

@Simon I think the word you are looking for is "invisible".

3

Simon

My poor D, always getting laughed at.

3

@TerryChia Let's have a serious discussion, how do you feel about PHP frameworks like Symfony, better than using plain PHP?

Waffle's Crazy Peanut

Okay, it's not...

Terry Chia

@Simon I have zero experience with any PHP framework other than Zend Framework so I can't really have a serious discussion.

Simon

16:19

Aw, ok.

Terry Chia

And Zend Framework is the most horrible software I have ever worked with.

Simon

lulz

Terry Chia

But anything else is probably better than plain PHP.

Except for node.js because fuck node.js.

2

Rory Alsop

right - boiler all replaced - 8 hours work, and 3 minor traumas. Time to drive westwards to see NIN!

later all

FEichinger

@TerryChia This is true.

@TerryChia This is a filthy filthy ... ... truth, but hush!

Waffle's Crazy Peanut

16:26

Ah... the prodigal son has returned --- welcome back @RoryAlsop :P

You triggered me and gone elsewhere?

Oh... He's gone again >_<

Simon

He's more like a prodigal antiquity

Waffle's Crazy Peanut

oh... heh :D

Simon

Someone's eating maple syrup here, I CAN FEEL IT.

AviD

@Simon see my comment re spoons/knives and cutting hearts out.

Simon

Shhh, .NET.

AviD

16:38

@Waffle'sCrazyPeanut TWSS

Waffle's Crazy Peanut

@AviD Dinner time... One hand is busy eating :P

Terry Chia

@Waffle'sCrazyPeanut Righhhhhhhhhhhhhht. Eating.

David Freitag

@Simon Any good shows lined up this summer?

Simon

@DavidFreitag newcitygas.wantickets.com

Armin van Buuren @ Beach Club too

So far, there's nothing really worth it @ New City Gas

There might be a Hardstyle rave announced this week

Also, there will be the very first Electronic festival in Montreal in August I think

That's going to be big

David Freitag

Yeah I don't see anything i would want to see. Maybe Krewella or Zedd, but meh.

Simon

16:42

I think tomorrow they'll be posting more info about the festival

ilesoniq.com

David Freitag

Aight, ping me when you get some more infos.

Simon

A bilingual teaser, welcome to Montreal, rofl.

David Freitag

►

That's my friend's stock volvo ^

(With the exhaust taken off...)

Simon

Sounds like my Subaru now that the bolts linking the resonator/axelback gave up hehe

I also constantly do backfires which is kind of fun

But yeah, a V8 is definitely loud in the first place

Adnan

16:57

I just cannot understand the CSS clear property.

What's up with that?!

FEichinger

@Adnan w3.org/TR/CSS2/visuren.html#flow-control

clear is rather easy to understand from the spec, really.

That said, I've been using display: table-row and display: inline-block a lot more than float recently.

Adnan

@FEichinger Whoa! Thanks. That's actual much easier to digest that the stuff on blogs.

Which is surprising, because it's W3 specs

FEichinger

To be fair, once you understand what they were trying to achieve, the specs are usually fairly straightforward

David Freitag

17:24

@FEichinger I thought you hated w3 links?

FEichinger

@DavidFreitag No, w3schools links.

David Freitag

@FEichinger Ah right. Hehehe that place is like the cplusplus website.

deed02392

18:25

@Terry Turns out the MBP and MBA both have the RAM modules soldered to it and the screen module is put together in such a way that it would be very expensive to repair it if any part of that assembly breaks

deed02392

18:44

@DavidFreitag ?

David Freitag

@deed02392 I wondered what you meant by MBP but i realized it was Macbook Pro and Macbook Air.

deed02392

Ah ok. Yeah. I kind of want one cos shiny and OS X, but there are some super annoying restrictions involved that stand to make it more expensive in the long run vs competition

If you agree they have competition...

David Freitag

I have always loved MBP hardware.

I can't speak of OS X, though. Of the ten minutes I have used it, I found it hard to navigate.

@deed02392 It is really pricey but you get what you paid for. It's not some cheap ass piece of plastic you get from Acer or Toshiba. All i can say is don't drop a MBP. Once the aluminum is deformed it will be like that forever.

But, that being said, if all you are looking for is a nice aluminum body laptop, both Asus and Lenovo make nice aluminum body laptops. Asus has more ultrabook sized computers, while Lenovo makes 15-17" ones.

Simon

19:05

@DavidFreitag As soon as you get used to the gestures (which should take less than a day), it gets really awesome

David Freitag

@Simon I haven't had the need to use OS X, and i probably wont ever need to. Because of that I'll probably never actually use OS X.

deed02392

19:19

@DavidFreitag what did you put on your MBP?

ooo ASUS eh

i'll check them out

David Freitag

@deed02392 Windows 7 and at the time Ubuntu 10.04

deed02392

nice

and apparently things like drivers are no issue whatsoever on any linux distro

David Freitag

Yep, ran any distro i threw at it. I just liked Ub as my main.

deed02392

so what happened to it?

or did you just mean you're on Windows now

David Freitag

I was only borrowing it from a friend. He got back from a semester in Germany so i had to give it back.

deed02392

19:22

aw

will you get one?

David Freitag

@deed02392 This is what i was thinking about getting amazon.com/Zenbook-UX301LA-XH72T-Quad-HD-Display-Touchscreen/dp/…

deed02392

fuck that's pricey

David Freitag

Other than that i have an armada of older laptops that i use regularly.

@deed02392 2560x1440 touchscreen

512GB SSD raid0

Simon

Why did you run Windows on it anyway?

There hasn't be a single time where I absolutely needed Windows.

deed02392

haha woah factory configured ssd raid0?!

David Freitag

19:24

Games and such.

deed02392

that's new?

Simon

Ah, gaming, right.

I play TF2/Portal 1+2 on it. I'm fine with those and I haven't touched them in a while.

mmmmm touching

David Freitag

The only problem i have with it is the lie7

2.8GHz dual core with hyperthreading

@deed02392 There are slightly less expensive versions with 128GB/256GB SSD and an i5/i3 instead of the i7.

deed02392

what's lie7?

David Freitag

@deed02392 It's an i7 that isn't a quad core.

deed02392

19:32

Oh right

lie as in non-truth

lol

i wonder how long such a laptop would last me

David Freitag

Historically i7 has always been quad with hyperthreading, and i5 has been dual with and without hyperthreading, and i3 was dual only with no hyperthreading.

@deed02392 The old version of that laptop was incredibly sturdy. Its only issue was an absolutely shit WiFi card.

deed02392

i7 quad with HT meaning 8 logical cores?

David Freitag

@deed02392 Yep

deed02392

i'm pretty sure i have an i7 in my E6410 with only 4 logical cores

so that's probably dual+HT?

David Freitag

What generation is it?

I think first generation i series chips didn't have HT

AJ Henderson

19:55

first gen i7 had HT

I have a first gen i7 in my desktops at home

they were the triple channel ram

that was what they removed in the second gen

David Freitag

Yeah i should've edited that. There have always been lower end i7s without HT

AJ Henderson

it's also why I'm holding on to my 1st gen i7 as long as possible

<3 my triple channel ram

David Freitag

Meh, i can manage 32GB of ram with dual channel.

I haven't needed any more than that, even with four monitors.

AJ Henderson

it isn't about the quantity

it's about the bandwidth

they moved away from it because very few things actually use it

David Freitag

I know, i know.

AJ Henderson

20:04

so it was unnecessary cost

I happen to do a lot of things that actually do use it though

David Freitag

A lot of top end Asus boards still have triple channel

AJ Henderson

o'rly? I thought they dropped support on the die

I might actually have to consider upgrading CPU at some point then, though currently my desktop is still holding it's own quite nicely

David Freitag

Hmm you may be right. Last i checked Newegg had at least a few triple channel boards, but it seems they've all gone.

They do have quad channel ram boards though

newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131801

But those are Sandy/Ivy bridge boards.

Haswell appears to be dual only.

deed02392

@DavidFreitag I think it's a 1st gen

@AJHenderson I never liked the idea of triple channel. 3 is just not a number that should be allowed. <3 my precious powers of 2

David Freitag

Octal channel ram. Now that's where it's at.

AJ Henderson

20:16

@deed02392 haha

quad channel does sound interesting though

deed02392

yeah, a lot of people have four modules these days

David Freitag

@AJHenderson 8 memory slots for one CPU :O

deed02392

i mean mobos almost always come with 4 slots

David Freitag

@deed02392 That's dual channel

deed02392

so it would make sense to interleave all those if possible

what? isn't it two modules each operating at twice the speed

you can have just two modules in dual channel on a board with 4 slots, right?

David Freitag

20:19

@deed02392 Depends on the BIOS and how the hardware is configured.

A lot of old dell boards that had dual channel needed at least the first slot for both channels populated in order to post properly

deed02392

oh right

David Freitag

A lot of older dells also had only two slots for dual channel boards

deed02392

but in principle am I not right that quad channel could be achieved with 4 slots?

AJ Henderson

my dual channel boards have always had 2 banks of 2 dimms each

deed02392

i mean i wasn't saying that current boards with 4 slots were quad channel

David Freitag

20:20

Yes, it could.

AJ Henderson

and my 3 channel board has either 3 banks of 2 or 2 banks of 3

deed02392

but that it's typical given the amount of room we get on ATX that we have 4 slots, so if the tech is here now, then quad channel makes sense to adopt

AJ Henderson

you can pick which based on configuration

David Freitag

@AJHenderson Pretty sure it's three banks of two. They should be color matched

deed02392

2^2=4, 2^3=8

6? >:-(

David Freitag

20:22

@deed02392 Nope, the LGA2011 boards on Newegg with quad channel all have 8 slots

deed02392

@DavidFreitag lol! typical

David Freitag

but they are also all ATX boards

deed02392

well i'll never afford to fill that

can't i just get a 4 slot quad channel board that i can afford to max out

David Freitag

8 x 8GB chips? Cmon that'd only be like $150

deed02392

no way?

David Freitag

20:24

@deed02392 The quad channel boards max at 64GB

deed02392

ram was mega bucks last time i looked

AJ Henderson

@DavidFreitag right, but for triple channel, you need banks of 3 that have all matched sets

David Freitag

you would need 4 x 16GB which is ungodly expensive.

deed02392

hehe

AJ Henderson

triple channel uses matched set memory for best performance, 3 sequential dimms per bank

deed02392

20:25

@AJ you're dimm

non-sequitur

Scott Pack

None of this sounds appropriately moist.

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David Freitag

Hmm i think it can go either way, depending on how the lanes are run to the CPU

deed02392

@ScottPack reyyyy there it is

AJ Henderson

@DavidFreitag yeah, it can

David Freitag

@deed02392 Ok, i lied. It's closer to $250-$300 for 64GB of ram. But for 32 it's close to $150

AJ Henderson

20:29

it also supports doing 3 banks of dual channel

and the colors on the board are 3 sets of 2

David Freitag

Yeah i figured.

Rоry McCune

@ScottPack you been reading Terry Pratchett books?

deed02392

8 gig does me and a handful of VMs all right

AJ Henderson

err, nope, I take that back, I was wrong on the color, it is 3 black and 3 red alternating

ebay.com/itm/like/321409714891?lpid=82

that's the MB I have in my desktops

deed02392

lmfao

remember the chav girl on the train who was screaming for ages

"nah I'm not kidding bruv" etc

it was just used in a mix intro by Mat Zo

AJ Henderson

20:31

@deed02392 hmm, I can blow 8GB by opening one file

David Freitag

@AJHenderson TWSS

Scott Pack

@RоryMcCune I read a few, but it's been a while.

David Freitag

@AJHenderson Also, OS X much?

Rоry McCune

@ScottPack I was wondering if all the moist references were allusions to Moist Von Lipwig

deed02392

is OS X mega memory hungry?

:|

Simon

20:33

Ok now, I've been ignoring this for far too long. WHAT'S THE DAMN DEAL WITH THE MOIST?

David Freitag

@deed02392 So i have heard. Again, though, remember that i have very limited experience with OS X.

Scott Pack

@RоryMcCune I don't think I got that far.

AJ Henderson

@DavidFreitag that's on windows, I just work with rather large files

deed02392

@DavidFreitag I guess it just uses everything it can and all built in apps get suspended by default or something

Scott Pack

@deed02392 I'm using 9 GB right now. Though honestly 5 of it is probably Chrome.

Rоry McCune

20:33

@ScottPack some of the better later ones, there's a TV movie made of Going Postal too which was quite good

AJ Henderson

my 12TB raid 5 array is more than half full

deed02392

@Simon Moist: it's euphemistic and we're all immature

David Freitag

@AJHenderson Nice.

Simon

@AJHenderson Ever heard of streaming? Tsk tsk.

AJ Henderson

when I cover a wedding, I'll shoot 100GB worth of photos and video in a day

deed02392

20:34

@ScottPack haha

@AJHenderson RAID-Z?

AJ Henderson

@Simon entirely with non-pirated content

Simon

@AJHenderson Is downloading pr0n considered as piracy?

2

David Freitag

@AJHenderson Even if you were wearing an eye patch and a pegleg when you shot the pictures?

AJ Henderson

@DavidFreitag I don't think I've done any photography as a pirate yet, so doesn't apply

David Freitag

@AJHenderson You're doing it wrong.

deed02392

20:36

@Simon everything is copyrighted these days, therefore everything is pirated and you should hand over ownership of your bank accounts to the creative industries

AJ Henderson

@deed02392 is raid-z a reference to something?

Simon

@deed02392 Cool, I'll note it down.

deed02392

@AJHenderson Yeah, it's RAID5 with ZFS

David Freitag

@AJHenderson ZFS

AJ Henderson

ah, no, it's an NTFS volume

deed02392

20:37

i linked it to your line on RAID5

Simon

NOTE IT DOWN? WRITE IT DOWN YOU MORON.

Scott Pack

@deed02392 Close, it's currently 6.0649GB.

Simon

I hate my French Canadianness.

deed02392

@ScottPack Dude.

1,061,891k here

Simon

I'm thinking to get tattoo'd "PHP 4 lyf3". Surely, there's no way I'd ever regret that tattoo.

deed02392

20:42

FUck

I need an ink eraser

David Freitag

plus.google.com/u/0/117125495447971813272/posts/deS2nTNMx5D

Creepy.

FEichinger

@Simon I will track you down and "fix" that personally.

Xander

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Simon

@FEichinger Don't make me horny.

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deed02392

@Xander Nice try, Wite-Out employee

schroeder

21:36

numerous government articles saying that the UK has a major shortage of IT Sec pros, but the UK gov't didn't put IT Sec on their Immigration skills shortages list ...

how can an upstanding IT Sec pro help if they don't open the door? :)

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