The DMZ

Scott Pack

00:40

Ohai guise. I necro-repped my way up to 10k. Rock on.

Terry Chia

05:08

@ScottPack Congrats. Another 4 years to 20k I suppose?

Stack Exchange

06:44

Anyone who thinks we're all going to spend the 2032 elections poring over rambling blog posts by teenagers has never tried to read a rambling blog post by a teenager.

Adnan

09:06

Jesus Christ! It's 21C outside!!

I'm melting

Nick

@Adnan Im in Greece... you think 21C is hot? :P

Adnan

@Nick Just different tolerance edges. When I was in Syria, the normal spring in my city was 26C. I hated it!

TildalWave

09:30

morning all

@Adnan Any wind up there? It's about 19°C here with wind again, but it's supposed to be nice this week, I'm thinking of taking it a bit easier

Rory Alsop

Congratulations @Scott!

Terry Chia

@Adnan I want to smack you so hard. 21C and you are complaining? I would kill for that temperature. :P

Syscan '14 videos are up btw, if anyone is interested in the talks.

This one is particularly funny.

►

Adnan

@TildalWave Yesterday it was windy. Today, not so much.

TildalWave

09:47

@Adnan good, because the wind is coming from there till here so that means it'll calm down here too in about a day ... time to fix the bike then :)

Adnan

@TerryChia Well, come to Finland then.

@Kisunminttu Sä oot tässä!!

Lucas Kauffman

@Adnan I totally agree!!!!

juusto munakas

Kisunminttu

@Adnan Mä oon täällä!!! Ja säkin oot täällä!!!

Adnan

@LucasKauffman Oh, good. You're talking to me now. I thought you were being an asshole on Skype.

Kisunminttu

I was just looking at my jewelry blog and realised that I did way more than just one custom wedding set

Terry Chia

09:58

@Adnan Isn't that just @LucasKauffman everywhere?

Adnan

10:15

@TerryChia Nah, not really. He's alright.

In the last week he's been acting weirdly. Very weirdly.

Kisunminttu

@Adnan if my laptop had a good battery life I'd go outside and finish my assignment B)

Nick

Apparently my router doesn't' firewall off the DMZ :O (Or it allows ping to pass through)

Terry Chia

@Adnan Probably drinking too much.

Oh wait, that's usual for him.

@Nick Why would you firewall us off? :(

Nick

@TerryChia Ohh... you know what I mean :P

Lucas Kauffman

11:07

@Adnan aaah I haven't turned my skype on in a few days

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Kisunminttu

@LucasKauffman , I hear this one works, too: wearyourbeer.com/images/Wine_Bottle_Glass1_POP.jpg

Lucas Kauffman

:p

Adnan

@LucasKauffman Oh good. I thought you were sick or something.

Terry Chia

@LucasKauffman That's got to be 2-3 bottles in the cup. Are you telling me you drink that much each day? :P

Anyone here familiar with the format of a TLS ClientHello?

Nick

@TerryChia you can always check openSSLs code

Terry Chia

11:21

@Nick I'm trying to avoid my eyes bleeding. :P

I'm trying to construct one from raw bytes, so it's kinda painful.

Nick

@TerryChia its not that bad ... just... a bit xD

Terry Chia

@Nick Oh, I work with OpenSSL on a regular basis but mostly on the crypto primitives side. The TLS code is even worse from what I can tell.

Lucas Kauffman

11:52

@Adnan ah no went to a company party on thursday, still recovering

Nick

@LucasKauffman Sounds fun

Lucas Kauffman

it was

I was dressed as the pope

deed02392

@TerryChia is it not detailed in an RFC somewhere?

Terry Chia

@deed02392 It is, but the TLS RFC doesn't have all the handy hex values I need. I found this as a reference though: gist.github.com/takeshixx/10107280

deed02392

Ahh I see

Adnan

11:58

@TerryChia Hehehe... I was just about to tell you to check the Heartbleed PoC scripts.

Terry Chia

@Adnan One good thing came out of it at least. :)

Adnan

I remember that dude who came here on the DMZ and asked about it. I forgot his GitHub repo, but I remember that he had some nice client exploit there.

Terry Chia

Too bad OpenSSL didn't have the option of just sending ClientHello (that I found).

Adnan

Oh, I found the repo, but I was a bit off about the content. github.com/Lekensteyn/pacemaker/blob/master/pacemaker.py#L77

That's server hello

Terry Chia

I'll need to parse that as well later, so should come in handy.

deed02392

12:00

mjg59.dreamwidth.org/31714.html

So how true is this - are Macs really that good for nerds? I always thought they were for people who wanted to pay too much for something shiny

Terry Chia

@deed02392 Good quality hardware, great to use GUI, unix-based for when you need the power tools.

Or get a Thinkpad and install Linux. Meh.

Adnan

@deed02392 Just this weekend I had a similar discussion with a friend. Let me see if can chip in

deed02392

@TerryChia Seems like this blog and comments are saying Linux just isn't as nice to use as OS X

Terry Chia

@deed02392 I use both and it definitely isn't. Especially out of the box.

deed02392

too much fiddling required... I can definitely relate to that across the many times I've attempted to have Linux natively on my laptops

Terry Chia

12:03

And I'm a huge Linux fan.

Nick

@deed02392 Im a linux fan... and im on linux right now xD

Terry Chia

I have to spend 10 minutes tweaking the fonts on my Fedora desktop for example.

deed02392

Yeah I can appreciate that. But the cost always seems silly for a Mac

Terry Chia

And that's one of the many things I need to do.

Adnan

With Mac, you get this magical box that just works

deed02392

12:04

@Adnan What d'you use?

Terry Chia

@deed02392 You pay for quality hardware as well. Thinkpads and solid laptops aren't cheap as well.

deed02392

@TerryChia Exactly. And good luck getting the trackpad working how you want it

Adnan

@deed02392 For work, Windows and sometimes Linux. For home (and my everyday-use computer), Ubuntu.

deed02392

Hmm see I'm on Windows for everything and VMs when I need an environment that's not hostile to scripting languages

Adnan

Around 2005, a friend convinced me to try Ubuntu. I installed it next to me then-OS Windows XP.

I fiddled around with it for about a year and liked it

Suddenly, my wireless card stopped working while I was on Windows. Just completely disappeared

Even after a week of trying to get to work, I wasn't able to.

deed02392

12:07

I've had bad experiences with Ubuntu for being quite bloated, but maybe that's because I only usually tried it on old machines I was trying to repurpose

I just always ended up using Debian

Adnan

I thought I'd try to see if works on Ubuntu. It did

On the same day, I migrated completely to Ubuntu. Ever since, it's my only everyday-use OS

I still have the same computer I had since then. It's shitty, 1.7GHz, 512MB RAM, 40GB hard disk

But Ubuntu runs smoothly on it.

deed02392

Nice. Odd fuck up on Windows part. I'm starting to get involved with helping someone with printer problems they have where it keeps moaning about drivers. And this guy has been using the same printers in the same laptop/OS install for 2 years...

Damn, what do you do on that?

Adnan

Skype, Facebook, watch non-HD videos, StackExchange, etc.

deed02392

How come non-HD?

Can't get it to do hardware acceleration?

Adnan

I can't watch YouTube videos above 360p

They become laggy

10-15 seconds in and the sound becomes out-of-sync

The only way to watch anything higher than 360p (but lower than 720p) is to download it and watch it offline on VLC

deed02392

12:12

Huh, what's the CPU usage like when you try above that

Yeah that sounds like your browser/flash player isn't getting to use hardware acceleration

Adnan

@deed02392 Here's @MaciejGurban, the dude I just told you about. He uses Mac at work on daily basis

Maciej Gurban

Well hello

deed02392

Hello indeed

Maciej Gurban

As for using Macs perhaps I can share my own experiences. I've been working on Windows my entire life, until I started working at a company at which everybody was using one. After a while I tried transitioning into it. Gotta admit, the beginnings were tough. I didn't even know where to change my resolution.

deed02392

Haha yeah I had this problem when I was using a friends Mac to troubleshoot her network

Maciej Gurban

12:16

But that was mostly because I was not accustomed to the interface. The more time I spent on it, the more tools I've found are pretty nearly designed. I also noticed that it seems to be currently THE platform for developers, (looking at Github editor, LiveReload, GhostLab etc. etc.)

Adnan

, SourceTree

Nick

@Adnan not for linxu tho... :(

deed02392

Interesting. Maybe I'll sell my bulky E6410 and grab one. Presuming I should just go for the MBP Retina?

Maciej Gurban

Oh yes, there are plenty of examples. Apps that are specifically designed for Macs

Terry Chia

@Nick You really need to use the reply-to option. :P

Maciej Gurban

12:17

I would advise so

deed02392

I figure with Apple it's only worth going for new ones since the old ones aren't far from needing to be sent off for battery replacements etc

Terry Chia

@deed02392 Do you need the super high res screen?

Nick

@TerryChia meh

Terry Chia

If you don't the MBA is a solid option as well.

deed02392

@TerryChia Hmm

Maciej Gurban

12:18

It is, but if you're going to work on responsive designs, having a retina screen will give you a similar experience as the one you have on your phone's or tablets screen

Plus, everything is so beautifully crisp

deed02392

I'll weigh up the specs and see what value you get between the two

The Air looks impossibly thin, it's quite amazing

Maciej Gurban

Btw, I used to work on a MBP Retina, but currently I'm on MacMini

Terry Chia

@MaciejGurban True, but you would want to test on actual device instead for the real thing. :P

The MBA's screen res is a little bad but it won't be a problem if you use external monitors at work.

deed02392

Oo, people actually use the Mac Minis for something other than an HTPC?

Maciej Gurban

It's way more powerful (SSD, 16GB RAM etc.) for price lower than MBP, but it's a box, so unless you pack your monitor into your bag every time you want to code on a train or somewhere, I'd suggest MacMini only for home/office stationary usage

Terry Chia

12:20

@deed02392 I have seen people rack them to compile iOS apps.

Maciej Gurban

It's my main dev machine, and I love it

deed02392

@TerryChia How complex are these iOS apps that you need that much processing power :|

Nick

@MaciejGurban That sounds like a friend of mine trying to get me to buy a mac before I bought this linux build im on now

Maciej Gurban

Boot in 8s, Photoshop opens in 3, 5 secs if it's a huge file, and because I have SSD my vagrant boxes are fasting as a mother lover

Terry Chia

@deed02392 You must build iOS apps on an Apple machine.

Maciej Gurban

12:21

What...?

deed02392

@TerryChia I know that, but needing to rack them?

Terry Chia

And Mac Minis are the only ones that come without a screen except the Mac Pro.

@deed02392 I'm guessing automated builds at larger dev shops?

Adnan

Whoa! I feel very lost here. MBP MBA MacMini Mac Pro!

Sooo many things I haven't heard about

deed02392

MBP = Mac Book Pro
MBA = Mac Book Air

I really need to get to the lab before I leave to go teach HTML at school

Talk to y'all later

Adnan

@deed02392 Good luck!

Terry Chia

12:25

Hmm, why is Breaking Bad so widely praised?

I'm halfway through the last season and it's the only one I really liked.

deed02392

@Adnan Thanks :) Getting more confident now, third lesson today

@TerryChia Did you watch it while doing other things?

Gotta give it your full attention to fully appreciate it

Terry Chia

@deed02392 Nope, not really.

The first four seasons were kinda boring except for the last 2-3 episodes.

Adnan

@deed02392 How's the Raspberry Pi thing going?

I need to check on my investment. I own 20% of the stocks of your future company.

deed02392

@Adnan Haha :) It's still in the post, might arrive today actually. I have a better idea on how to go about the coding side for other volunteers to set up vhosts and FTP accounts

I need to talk to the techy at the school today and ask about how DNS works in an RM domain. Probably the same as standard AD but you never know

Thanks a lot for your donation, it's gonna make a big difference and it will ultimately lead to more Raspberry Pis in class rooms if other volunteers start doing similar thing

Adnan

@ArjunVs Hello, stranger.

Rory Alsop

12:47

@deed02392 but incredibly annoying from the perspective of an old Unix neckbeard like me

Terry Chia

@RoryAlsop You predate Unix.

Rory Alsop

@TerryChia I never dated Eunuchs

Terry Chia

@RoryAlsop So that's going up on the star wall.

Rory Alsop

@TerryChia obviously

:-)

Scott Pack

13:12

@TerryChia Meh, maybe. Between free time and interest in the content that shows up on the site....

@RoryAlsop I've learned to rely on the GNU coreutils as my default toolset so I end up using ports or homebrew to pull in all that nonsense.

Terry Chia

@ScottPack Oh definitely, brew and the GNU tools are the first thing I install.

Is ports still active?

Rory Alsop

@ScottPack I agree on the GNU, but never used brew. Might someday figure out just how to do

it

Terry Chia

@RoryAlsop ruby -e "$(curl -fsSL raw.github.com/Homebrew/homebrew/go/install)";

brew install <stuff>

Rory Alsop

hehehehe

thanks

Scott Pack

:1560075I was still using ports until February. When I switched jobs I took the chance to jump and try homebrew.

Terry Chia

13:26

@ScottPack Ahh. Pretty much been using brew forever.

They even have the whole cask thing for GUI apps now.

Scott Pack

mrr?

Terry Chia

@ScottPack caskroom.io

Adnan

@Rory Is the toilet-seat-side water hose a thing in the UK? In Finland it's not that common outside ladies' bathrooms (it's called the pu**y telephone).

Scott Pack

Oh cute, so they're trying to move it towards an all encompassing package management system. Not just augmentation. NEato.

@Adnan The upward jet of water used to clean one's underside?

Adnan

@ScottPack That, or the handheld one.

Rory Alsop

13:29

@Adnan nope

Adnan

God damn it!!

Rory Alsop

You get the bidet type thing in some posher hotels

Scott Pack

@Adnan In English it's called a bidet

Adnan

@ScottPack The handheld one is called bidet?

Scott Pack

@RoryAlsop Sounds like he doesn't know how to use the 3 seashells.

Rory Alsop

13:30

@ScottPack heh heh - I was just thinking that :-)

Scott Pack

@Adnan I would presume so

Adnan

This is my biggest fear when going to a different city/country.

Scott Pack

Having to use wadded clumps of paper for removing feces?

Adnan

Exactly!

I usually use the paper after the pu**sy telephone

or, bidet.

Rory Alsop

How did the conversation get like this without Lucas in the room

Adnan

13:32

I've always found the paper-only system quite barbaric

@RoryAlsop I'm actually really concerned about this since I'll be in the UK for about 2 weeks.

Scott Pack

Well...

Some of our interpreters take water bottles in with them.

They fill them up in the sink before entering the stall.

Adnan

@ScottPack With a hole in the cap?

Terry Chia

@RoryAlsop Because @Adnan and @ScottPack?

Adnan

and they squeeze the bottle to simulate a water jet?

Rory Alsop

@Adnan no - handstands

Adnan

13:34

@RoryAlsop :|

Scott Pack

@Adnan Actually no.

Adnan

@ScottPack Then how do they... umm... use it?

Scott Pack

I've not asked that level of detail on how the bottle is used.

I do know that when it's in use there are no feet visible under the stall.

Terry Chia

@Adnan Use your imagination. I'm sure you will figure it out,

Scott Pack

Since the bottles crinkle so much it's pretty obvious.

Adnan

13:36

@ScottPack Is it a French thing?

Rory Alsop

@Adnan probably

Adnan

Ahhh.. I'll have to think of something. Hopefully Travel.SE will have some ideas.

Rory Alsop

@Adnan I'm sure it does - they have a few questions on that topic

Maciej Gurban

There you go: ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31G7NQ836jL._SY300_.jpg

;)

Scott Pack

@Adnan The interpreters?

@Adnan I think most of that segment is Somali.

Terry Chia

15:00

“Why isn’t this working? You’re incompetent. I can’t click any of the links”, “You’re clicking a Photoshop mock-up boss”. Weekly.

Tweeted by iamdevloper on May 19, 2014 at 2:56 PM

Lucas Kauffman

15:53

@Adnan the bidet is the fixed one

I never used it until I went to Turkey, to be honnest it's a lot more efficient, cleaner and better if you use a water hose to clean yourself than when just using paper.

and we are back to moisture...

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@ColinCassidy did you get your pirate paper welcome letter :p?

Colin Cassidy

@LucasKauffman yes I did

Lucas Kauffman

It's awesome

@ColinCassidy congratz btw :)

say Hi to Wim from me

Colin Cassidy

@LucasKauffman Thanks, and I will do.

Adnan

16:14

@LucasKauffman Hmm.. that's what I thought as well.

@LucasKauffman Oh I very much agree. Paper only mashes the stuff around and you just can't clean everything.

I cannot even imagine how people don't use water for that.

Scott Pack