The DMZ

tylerl

12:15 AM

Installing Arch is a PITA. I'm writing a bash script that just follows the instructions with the latest source.

Scott Pack

12:41 AM

@tylerl I want to work with that client.

Adnan

6:49 AM

Hey, @Simon! What did we say about creating sockpuppets and submitting suggested edits? security.stackexchange.com/review/suggested-edits/24034

(I used the wrong reject reason. Damn it!)

tylerl

Reject: Edit exhibits insufficient gay pride.

AviD

7:08 AM

@TildalWave laweekly.com/westcoastsound/2012/02/17/… Was linked on MetalTech's page...

AviD

7:34 AM

Terry Chia

@AviD Cortana I presume?

AviD

@TerryChia yeah. from twitter.com/cortanaquotes

TildalWave

8:52 AM

@AviD Starts off OK but then it just becomes ridiculous, like throwing 20 years of some band's history away to trash the latest PoS they released. I found a better top 10 worst list yesterday on Cracked.

cracked.com/funny-6404-10-worst-modern-bands-ever

now this ... is completely agreeable

FEichinger

9:05 AM

@TildalWave Meeeh.

I agree with the list, not so much with the flavour text.

TildalWave

@FEichinger Oh I didn't even bother reading that, just the list yup

e.g. Coldplay is to me a bit like repeatedly running over the neighbors cat... first 9 chords are OK-ish then it wears flat

AviD

9:30 AM

@TildalWave inorite?

@TildalWave yeah. Barely know any of those, but if those I do know are any sign, then very yes.

wait, I disagree about green day. Especially about them being right next to the Jonas Bothers.

Terry Chia

Green Day is an excellent band if you like the subgenre.

AviD

yeah, "if". and regardless, their first couple of albums were pure bouncy goodness.

wait, does that make me a hipster, if I like only the albums from before they were popular?

Terry Chia

@AviD Ehh, Green Day's popularity is basically a roller coaster.

AviD

I think that was one of their songs.

Terry Chia

No one really liked them around their 4-5th albums.

Then they exploded again thanks to American Idiot.

AviD

9:40 AM

I thought american idiot was the 4th or 5th album....?

hmm, I guess I might have missed a few.

Terry Chia

American Idiot was 7th.

FEichinger

Green Day used to be different.

Recently, they've become pretty generic rock, but there was some fairly decent punk in the early days.

Terry Chia

Dookie was their 3rd. Their 4th-6th albums weren't really memorable although it's still pretty good stuff (imo).

TildalWave

@AviD Well to me they're just too generic pop rock and I'm not sure what I'm listening to when I hear them. Are they Die Toten Hosen copycats, or trying to surf their own wave that's already long time ago hit the beach?

Rory Alsop

Dookie was their best album ever (IMO). American Idiot has a couple of good tracks, that my kids really like, but they haven't come close to their early stuff

AviD

9:44 AM

Hmm. so looking at their wiki discography, I see I missed a few. Interesting.

@RoryAlsop Agree 100%.

Terry Chia

@RoryAlsop +1 for Dookie. Loved that album.

AviD

and @TildalWave they originally were kinda punk rock / kinda funk.

Rory Alsop

I used to have a driving tape in the car with Dookie on one side and Offspring Smash n the other. Awesome.

Terry Chia

@TildalWave I have never heard of that band at all.

FEichinger

Definitely, Dookie was still their best.

AviD

9:45 AM

@RoryAlsop oh excellent. I used to have those paired up also.

Terry Chia

Green Day was one of the first few very popular pop punk bands in America.

TildalWave

Dookie was OK ... but if that other list has RHCP in it (which is just ignoramus) then I guess the Cracked one had to put something that'll be a bit controversial

AviD

@TerryChia noo, thats off by quite a bit.

Rory Alsop

@terry wat?

Think twenty years earlier

AviD

Clash? a couple decades before GD made it big...

Terry Chia

9:46 AM

Popular as in mainstream.

TildalWave

RHCP makes poop now, but they actually used to be a proper band

AviD

Clash was mainstream, and they werent the only ones...

TildalWave

something Coldplay just never was, I mean what do they have? Clocks?

Terry Chia

@AviD Ehh, Clash wasn't pop punk. They were punk.

Rory Alsop

Although, and I know this'd is wrong @Tildal, I like Dani California

AviD

9:47 AM

oh please. now you're splitting hairs.

Rory Alsop

Oop - afk for a bit.

TildalWave

@RoryAlsop Magic Johnson?

ah from the new ones

well they still have something in them actually, yes ... Californication wasn't a total garbage

tho I think some bands just run thin eventually, I used to like RHCP better than Living Colour but the latest RHCP albums don't even touch Living Colour ones

Anyone remember Cult?

AviD

dammit you guys, now I gotta load up all those 90's alt rock albums. That will be my listening the next few days...

@TildalWave Blue Oyster?

TildalWave

@AviD no, The Cult

►

Terry Chia

@AviD Interesting exercise -- load up all of Green Day's albums in chronological order and hear how much they changed. ;)

FEichinger

9:54 AM

@TerryChia The jump between Dookie and Nimrod - and then to American Idiot - is interesting.

Terry Chia

@FEichinger American Idiot was the huge change.

TildalWave

@TerryChia I only remember the first two albums to be pretty decent, the rest I barely even noticed but apparently they just keep on going

AviD

@TerryChia well... Insomniac (the one after Dookie) was not so much of a change, but more what I would call "trying too hard" to do the same thing with repeating themselves.

FEichinger

@AviD Hence why I omitted Insomniac. Nimrod was ... different. Can't quite pinpoint how, though.

AviD

I know, but it was a huge difference.

not so much change in style, but change in flavor.

something.... elusive.

TildalWave

10:00 AM

You know what's funny? I probably have almost all CDs from Green Day because I'd get them as presents from people that know I'm into punk but they don't have a clue what punk is so they pick up the first they can think of :)

@AviD graduated teenage rebels?

Adnan

@TerryChia Today I actually learned, you cannot do a || b or a && b in Python.

I've seen not ( ) and 'or' many times in Python code, but I've always thought they're fancy aliases for the actual ! || && operators.

AviD

so, "TIL" is so 2013, now 2014 is all about "TIAL"...?

Adnan

@AviD What's "TIL"?

AviD

@Adnan "Today I Learned"

its what all them young'uns say about discovering new/old stuff.

Adnan

@AviD Well, I guess that explains "TIAL" as well.

@AviD Oho! I should start using that, because .. I'm young and stuff.

Terry Chia

10:17 AM

@Adnan Heh.

Python generally does not do fancy aliases.

There should be one and only one right way to do things.

Adnan

@TerryChia I disagree. There are countless right ways to do it.

Am I right, @Kisuminttu? wink wink

AviD

@Adnan no, there are countless wrong ways to do it.

Adnan

Hmmm.. I wonder why she hasn't been around lately.

AviD

All the correct ways are just variations on the One True Way.

@Adnan you put her into a coma.

@Adnan pics or it didnt happen.

Terry Chia

@Adnan Your machine cannot support 2 browsers any longer?

AviD

10:27 AM

@TerryChia LOL

Adnan

@TerryChia :D

@TerryChia I need more RAM.

Terry Chia

@Adnan Download more then.

Adnan

@TerryChia Ughhh... then there's growing boobs in order to be fully in character

Terry Chia

@Adnan Breast implants.

Adnan

@TerryChia and what should I do when I want to go back to talking as Adnan?

Terry Chia

10:29 AM

@Adnan Why would you want that?

Adnan

Then there's the problem about becoming Svetlana, I need to get smaller boobs.

Terry Chia

@Adnan Inflatable breast implants?

Adnan

Oho! Now we're getting somewhere.

But then I need to mimic @Kisuminttu's angelic face and lovely smile.

(Rank up those points! Yeah!)

AviD

Draw lipstick on the mirror.

Adnan

@AviD Awwwh! Are you saying I have an angelic face and a lovely smile? :D

I'll call her and tell her to login.

Terry Chia

10:33 AM

@Adnan Wrap one of those flexible displays from LG around your face?

Adnan

@TerryChia Is this one of your fetishes?

Kisunminttu

@Adnan, you're one of my fetishes

wink

Adnan

@Kisunminttu Duuude!

Kisunminttu

@Adnan Dudette!

Wait, I think we got those mixed...

:D

Adnan

@Kisunminttu queue in @AviD cracking a joke about me being a girl.

2

@Lucas Morning!

AviD

10:41 AM

@Adnan no no, that's all @TerryChia. Me, I try to avoid talking about subjects that are sensitive to you.

Adnan

@AviD Good one!

Lucas Kauffman

11:50 AM

@Adnan morning

AviD

@LucasKauffman A NEW AGE OF GREATNESS!!

Lucas Kauffman

@AviD LET'S CELEBRATE!

BRING IN THE ROASTED PIG AND FILL OUR GOBLETS WITH MEED!

@AviD had another chat with Shay and Johnny, we are going to work together ^^

all thanks to you <3

AviD

yaaay!!

Send the beers via Shay. He owes me one anyway :-)

@LucasKauffman what is it you're going to be doing together?

yknow, if you can say without NDA.

Lucas Kauffman

@AviD basically what they have is a service which is focusing on threat intelligence whereas we are focussing on recent disclosed vulnerabilities and mostly publically available information

and reporting this to our clients based on their IT inventory

AviD

hehe, "IT Inventory". Only a Big4 HPC can say that with a straight face ;-)

Lucas Kauffman

11:55 AM

and now we will cross sell to eachother clients as we have clients wanting threat intelligence and they have clients wanting vulnerability information

@AviD list of software then

AviD

hehe

actually, its not really just software though, is it?

I assume it's also all kinds of network devices and etc.

Lucas Kauffman

@AviD yes of course

AviD

not to mention firmwares...

nevermind, I'm just enjoying mocking you. ;-)

Lucas Kauffman

@AviD :<

Terry Chia

@LucasKauffman Are you moving over to sales?

Rоry McCune

11:57 AM

watcha' all

@AviD was that tweet of yours legit BTW?

Lucas Kauffman

@TerryChia nope, but we do our sales ourselves

Rоry McCune

looked a bit #hashtag #heavy

Lucas Kauffman

prevents people from promissing things to clients which aren't possible

AviD

@LucasKauffman hey, dont frown, Big4 is very respectable!

Rоry McCune

@LucasKauffman ah hah hahahaha

:op

Lucas Kauffman

11:58 AM

@RоryMcCune well most of the time!

:p

AviD

@RоryMcCune heh. Clicked a button on their site after downloading, for prize-winning purposes....

Rоry McCune

@AviD ah so legit book, with a bit of social marketing attached.. fairy snuff

AviD

@RоryMcCune exact.

Rоry McCune

@AviD I get a little paranoid about clicking shortened links with out of character text...

AviD

they give out free books once in a while, usually better than decent. Haven't looked at this one yet.

@RоryMcCune hahhaa, yeah cant say I really care... I dont expect anybody besides them to read my tweets.

though I keep getting strange followers...

Rоry McCune

12:00 PM

@AviD yeah I get some v.odd ones I think it's a form of reverse marketing. If they follow me, I go look at their profile out of curiosity...

Terry Chia

@LucasKauffman So, when can we expect you to earn the gold badge for compliance? :P

Adnan

@AviD aaand now I'm following you on Twitter

AviD

oh damn

Adnan

@AviD Oh lord. Your twitter feed sucks. Unfollow!

AviD

didnt you read my self-description??

Adnan

12:05 PM

@AviD That self-pitty part you wrote as a half-assed disclaimer to justify your shitty tweets?

Oh yeah, I've read it.

AviD

hahha, no thats not what that was!

I.DON'T.DO.TWITTER.

Adnan

@AviD I don't know, man. You clearly have an account and you do tweet.

AviD

not really.

Adnan

To me, that's "doing twitter"

Rоry McCune

@AviD and you've personalised your profile pic...

AviD

12:07 PM

for years my only twits were the same type of prize-drawing-entry. @ScottPack made me actually "use" it. Haven't really done much with it yet....

Adnan

@AviD As a joke, I wanted to saying regarding "twatter" with the intentional word play. Apparently, there is a site with that name.

AviD

haha, "the anti-social network". I should register there.

Adnan

In that case, you might also like Hatebook

Where you can add people as enemies and punch instead of poke.

AviD

@Adnan hahaha, excellent.

seriously though, that is really awful.

anyway, I have given thought to actually use it for real "microblogging", havent gotten around to it yet.

I should probably start.

Adnan

@AviD The hell is "microblogging"?

AviD

12:11 PM

@Adnan tweeting.

twitting.

twarting.

Lucas Kauffman

@TerryChia I wouldn't mind actually :P

Adnan

@AviD Oh, you mean tiwttering.

AviD

what twitter can actually be used for, without it being a complete cockup waste of time.

Adnan

@LucasKauffman UPVOTING ALL LUCAS ANSWERS ON THE COMPLIANCE BADGE

@AviD I don't know, I find twitter a bit useful sometimes. Ever since @Terry got me on it, I've been getting some decent amount of security news.

AviD

@Adnan exactly, thats what I mean.

AviD

12:25 PM

yaaay. My commanding officer (in army reserves) just called to tell me I'm too old for training.

So, mixed feelings on that. On the one hand, no training! yay! On the other hand, I am officially too old.

Terry Chia

@AviD It's ok. We have @RoryAlsop here to make you feel better.

AviD

yeah, except he's NOT too old for that crap.

Adnan

@AviD Too old for military reserve training. You're still young otherwise.

AviD

Being older doesnt mean he's TOO old...

@Adnan whew, thanks for putting it in context!

and stop hitting on me. @Kisunminttu is watching.

.... probably enjoying it, too.

Kisunminttu

@AviD, this week has taught me that there are two possible answers to that: True or False

I'm gonna go with False...

AviD

12:38 PM

@Kisunminttu actually, there is always a range for that question, and sometimes different types. So it's probably "True", but the question is how. And how much.

Kisunminttu

@AviD Hey man, don't confuse the noob.

AviD

haha

Rоry McCune

@AviD best place EVAR to get security infos... also I like it for travel info (e.g. is the road I'm about to drive down blocked)

Adnan

@Kisunminttu How the Python course going so far?

Maybe @Terry could give you a hand

AviD

@RоryMcCune it's too tricky to be a reliable source, too much noise, you miss too much signal.

Rоry McCune

12:41 PM

@AviD there is a lot of noise, but I think there are signals there which would be impractical to get any other way

Kisunminttu

@Adnan Still stuck.

AviD

@Adnan Pervert.

Rоry McCune

@avid RSS doesn't scale well and fewer people use it these days. Traditional "security news" sites are yeuch, places like /r/netsec can be good but miss a lot of stuff

Terry Chia

@RоryMcCune r/netsec is pretty dead imo.

Adnan

@AviD What?

@AviD Oooh.. now that I said it out loud.

AviD

12:43 PM

@RоryMcCune oh, oops - RSS is ded?

Rоry McCune

@TerryChia RLY I was just thinking it more more alive than it used to be.... the Mods are v. harsh on things they don't like...

Adnan

It's alright, @Terry, @Kisunminttu doesn't need your hand.

Rоry McCune

@AviD not dead but I see fewer standard blogs/sites with RSS feeds than I used to.

Terry Chia

@AviD RSS doesn't get you the latest stuff.

Especially if you are into the more cutting edge research etc.

AviD

Can't I get my twerts over RSS?

Adnan

12:44 PM

@AviD Yup

Terry Chia

@AviD Why though...?

AviD

good, its sorted then.

Rоry McCune

@AviD also problem with RSS is that if a blog has one interesting post and a ton of dross, it's a constant drain,whereas if multiple people in the industry re-tweet something, there's a higher chance it'll be interesting...

Kisunminttu

@Adnan, it's good you gave me a hand last night.

It really helped.

AviD

@TerryChia well I dont need to read it within 25 seconds of it being posted...

@Kisunminttu PLEASE keep it to yourselves.

and I dont mean that in the way you did last night.

Adnan

12:45 PM

@AviD Duuude! She's talking about the Python assignment

AviD

heehee

Kisunminttu

@AviD, just some basic math.

Rоry McCune

@Adnan hey hey you can call it what you want ... but still

AviD

ya sickh bastards.

@RоryMcCune ohh I get it. Python.... snakes.... trousersnakes...

Adnan

@RоryMcCune It was some math.

Terry Chia

12:46 PM

"Python assignment"? Right, no euphemisms there whatsoever.

Rоry McCune

@Adnan what @avid said, I was suggesting a double entendre.

Adnan

She needed help with modulus calculations

Terry Chia

Booooooooooring

Kisunminttu

@TerryChia, I think @AviD just made it into a euphemism.

Terry Chia

Did they get to list/dict comprehensions yet?

AviD

12:46 PM

@Adnan I.... can't do anything with that.

Adnan

She was doing a Rock-paper-scissors-lizard-Spock implementation

AviD

@Adnan oh yeah baby

Adnan

@TerryChia Boring? heh

> OMG YOU GUYS!! Still learning if/else?! SO BORING! I learned it like when I was like 5 years old or something.

Kisunminttu

@Adnan, I'm looking at the Finnish Wikipedia article about modulus calc and I'm wondering WTH was I doing when they taught us those things in school.

Terry Chia

Goddammit why are PHP apps the only ones that require me to setup Apache to run locally...

Kisunminttu

12:49 PM

I have absolutely no recollection of some of the things that are there.

Adnan

@TerryChia What are you talking about? You can run PHP stuff without Apache.

Well, duh. Of course you already knew that.

If it's a WEB app running over HTTP, it's safe to assume you need a HTTP server. Whether it's PHP, Python, or whatever.

Terry Chia

@Adnan Well yeah... but does PHP come with a dev server? (I'll be very happy if it does.)

Adnan

Some languages, including PHP, do have libraries and frameworks that allow you to write your own (or just import a ready) web server.

@TerryChia php.net/manual/en/features.commandline.webserver.php

@TerryChia I don't know, man. Maybe just decrease the hate a bit and use some of the freed up brain capacity to find the stuff you need.

FEichinger

@TerryChia There's a reason you usually install a lamp stack ... :P

What exactly is the problem you're trying to solve, though?

Adnan

@FEichinger Actually, you don't even need that. Just run PHP with the -S switch. It will setup a test web server for you without Apache.

FEichinger

1:04 PM

@Adnan Meh.

Thomas Pornin

@Adnan "Microblogging" is like talking about your life to complete strangers, but you are too lazy to do it properly.

Kisunminttu

@ThomasPornin, it also gives the impression of a "busy" lifestyle

Terry Chia

@Adnan Ok, so why isn't this documented in a more obvious fashion? Seriously, php.net's Getting Started page makes no mention of this at all.

Adnan

@ThomasPornin Do you have a microblog, Thomas?

Thomas Pornin

@Adnan I don't blog. It never appealed to me.

Rory Alsop

1:08 PM

@Adnan - I don't use twatter properly. I twat a bit around events, conferences and gigs, but really don't like it as a medium

Adnan

@TerryChia I don't know man, I don't know. I didn't create PHP, and I don't maintain its docs.

@RoryAlsop Oh god! "twat around".

Terry Chia

@Adnan So you can't blame me for jumping to that assumption when the docs literally tells me to install Apache can you...?

> Let us say you want to save precious bandwidth and develop locally. In this case, you will want to install a web server, such as » Apache, and of course » PHP. You will most likely want to install a database as well, such as » MySQL.

Adnan

@TerryChia Alright alright. It's a lost argument anyway with you people.

Rory Alsop

Isn't that the correct verb, @adnan?

Thomas Pornin

@TerryChia PHP was meant to help develop Web apps, so the documentations assume that if you want to develop in PHP, then you actually want to develop a Web app in PHP.

FEichinger

1:11 PM

@TerryChia Because it's a 5.4 addition.

AviD

@RoryAlsop I thought "twert" was what all the cool kids were doing nowadays?

Adnan

@RoryAlsop For when people post on Twitter constantly in an annoying fashion? Yes, "twating around" is the correct verb.

Terry Chia

@ThomasPornin Yeah, but there is apparently a dev server I can be running instead of setting up Apache. The docs doesn't mention this at all.

Adnan

All I advocate for (in this case) is just a bit of common sense. Going on the assumption that something is intrinsically awful and bad just because other "cool" people tell me it's bad is a bit stupid.

Thomas Pornin

@TerryChia php.net/manual/en/features.commandline.webserver.php

Adnan

1:13 PM

I don't just sit and nag about why PHP doesn't have that. First, I Google for "PHP that" and then if I don't find it, I start the nagging.

FEichinger

I really don't understand this aversion against Apache ... It's a web server. You're using a web language. Why wouldn't they recommend Apache?

Thomas Pornin

Found by googling for: "PHP dev server"

Adnan

19 mins ago, by Adnan

@TerryChia http://www.php.net/manual/en/features.commandline.webserver.php

Changed nothing.

Terry Chia

@ThomasPornin Yes, but the first thing people new to the language will be reading, the "Getting Started" page doesn't mention this at all.

Thomas Pornin

@Adnan Eh, I don't read transcripts. That's boring.

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Adnan

1:14 PM

@ThomasPornin I was just pointing out that the argument is still going even after posting that link.

Thomas Pornin

@TerryChia People do that ? Personally I go straight for the reference manual, which usually lies less than tutorials.

Terry Chia

@FEichinger I have nothing against Apache, I just find it a hassle to setup to quickly test an app. Now that I know a dev server exist, I will be using that.

Adnan

@TerryChia Dude, you're not a noob who's "getting started".

Noobs also write SQL queries by appending variables to the queries, are we gonna start doing that and blame PHP for not writing that in the "getting started" docs?

Terry Chia

@Adnan I have not done any PHP development work for 2 years. I think "getting started" is where I'll go to refresh the basics no?

Adnan

@TerryChia 100% correct. You know what is also correct? Using Google to find stuff you need.

I repeat: You are NOT an IT noob

Don't treat yourself like one.

Thomas Pornin

1:17 PM

@TerryChia I'd say it is inordinately optimistic.

The "getting started" page is unlikely to be up-to-date with the language and best practices, because updating the "getting started" page is utterly boring; no dev is gonna do that.

Terry Chia

@Adnan Again, I did not know that PHP had a dev server. My last experience with the language did not come with a dev server. If the Getting Started docs does not tell me otherwise, why would I assume it has changed?

Thomas Pornin

Pointers to actual proper usage of a language will usually be found from answers in stackoverflow, uncovered by Google searches.

Adnan

@TerryChia Because this is the IT world, and things change all the time faster than we can ever adapt to them?

Thomas Pornin

I say that generically, it works for PHP but also for almost everything from Microsoft.

Terry Chia

/sigh I give up. I guess I'm just spoiled by good documentation.

Thomas Pornin

1:20 PM

@TerryChia Good documentation is a rarity. Did you really expect good documentation for PHP ?

People who know how to write good documentation also know how to design a language properly, i.e. not like PHP.

Adnan

@TerryChia Oh boy, you're gonna have a hard time in the real corporate IT world then.

Terry Chia

@ThomasPornin I'd expect something as basic as "this thing exists, it will save you a bunch of time" to be there really...

AviD

@TerryChia Release notes is where you should look. I.e. "What has changed since version XXX".

Thomas Pornin

@TerryChia Then prepare for disappointment...

AviD

@Adnan yeah, poor @TerryChia doesnt realize that as an intern, he was already ahead of 60% of the "professional" workforce.

Thomas Pornin

1:22 PM

Open-source software lives by the mantra that "the source is the documentation" and proprietary software is even worse.

AviD

@ThomasPornin his upcoming disappointment is not just about documentation.

Thomas Pornin

@AviD Well, as an intern he already got the disappointment about salary.

2

AviD

I had the same issue, I just assumed that programmers with years and decades more experience than I, naturally knew more than I did.

Adnan

I have worked on about a dozen of proprietary and open-source software in the last several years. I haven't really seen good documentation in ages.

Thomas Pornin

One at a time, or else he'll just kill himself.

2

AviD

1:24 PM

I assumed that the average stupid or incompentent programmer wouldnt be holding down a job, and respected as an actual experienced programmer.

Adnan

If you're waiting for good documentation to help you get your job done, then prepare for not getting anything done.

2

AviD

BOY, was I wrong.

Adnan

@AviD Prime example, yours truly.

AviD

@Adnan you can self-demean all you want, you have already shown more understanding than at least half of the programmers I've worked with.

Rоry McCune

@Adnan just do BDD then it sorts itself out easily :)

AviD

1:25 PM

and that's without seeing an ounce of your code.

Thomas Pornin

Now that's weird, I just wrote a Javascript implementation of some bigint modular operations, which are merely 18 times slower than optimized C.

Either the Chrome Javascript interpreter is good, or I turned into a Javascript god after 24 hours of practice.

Adnan

@AviD I'm actually being somewhat honest. It's mainly because in all of the places I've worked for I haven't had decent interactions with good programmers. They either don't exist or just too big assholes.

Thomas Pornin

Apparently my code is like 30% faster than the fastest known Javascript bigint libraries, so this must be the latter.

Adnan

@ThomasPornin In all fairness, the Chrome Javascript engine is indeed good.

AviD

@Adnan Ah. So basically you feel that you just haven't had a good mentor (or at least personal example) to learn from, which stifles your growth.

I can relate.

@ThomasPornin You probably didnt' use a framework.

Thomas Pornin

1:28 PM

@AviD vim foo.html

Adnan

@RоryMcCune :D let's be honest, isn't most development like that?

Thomas Pornin

I don't think it counts as a framework.

AviD

@ThomasPornin so, less overhead.

Thomas Pornin

@AviD It is a single tight loop with only computations

the trick being doing integer computations when Javascript's numbers are all floating-point.

AviD

@RоryMcCune BDD? Big Dutch D..k?

Rоry McCune

1:30 PM

@AviD Behaviour Driven Development.

AviD

well, I've heard it both ways.

and both equally applicable.

Thomas Pornin

@RоryMcCune That's the official acronym for "ship it when it compiles" ?

Rоry McCune

@ThomasPornin hey hey I think you'll find it's agile

Adnan

@AviD You've previously handled Big Dutch Ds?

AviD

not personally, no.

but some of the code I've reviewed could have easily been written by slapping one against a keyboard.

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Adnan

1:32 PM

@RоryMcCune Oh, I'd be awesome if you give us some Agile presentation

Rоry McCune

@Adnan not me I'm not a proper dev. but get along to any Ruby conf. and you'll find loads of that kind of thing nordicruby.org

that one combines conf. with spa

Adnan

@RоryMcCune "I'm not a proper dev." which makes you PERFECT for an Agile presentation

Rоry McCune

and if this schedule nordicruby.org/schedule doesn't scream new age /agile to you then the fact that the sponsors are categorised as "fire/earth/wind" should

AviD

what. I dont even....

what does that even mean??

Thomas Pornin

@RоryMcCune Earth, Wind & Fire ? Groovy !

AviD

1:38 PM

@RоryMcCune I like this title: "Make the world less shit. NOW."

Rоry McCune

@AviD yeah that one is good, I've seen some of the speakers before at Scottish Ruby Conf and some of them are pretty good...

Scott Pack

1:52 PM

@AviD Keep your blame to yourself.

Simon

@Adnan looooool

TildalWave

3:06 PM

Oy where's everyone gone now? You're all watching the Bahrain F1 race or what?

Rory Alsop

6:07 PM

Not yet. I'll watch it tomorrow. An out in the wilds of Ayrshire this weekend

Xander

6:18 PM

@TildalWave Sure was. :-) Great race!

TildalWave

7:05 PM

@Xander I'll take your word for it :) Didn't manage to sit through an entire race in prolly more than a decade. I pretty much stopped watching it after all those rules and regulations fiascos that seemed to have been favoring specific teams.

Scott Pack

Starting Spring Project the First

Rory Alsop

7:46 PM

The new rules make it much better @tildal

Proper engines and more torque than grip

TildalWave

@RoryAlsop Yeah I've noticed that, dunno I'm not saying I won't ever watch it, just why I stopped. And they're usually in the middle of sundays, which isn't helping either, especially if the weather is fine out. ;)

AviD

8:26 PM

I don't want to jinx it, but.... boy, it's been quiet in here today.

Rory Alsop

10:02 PM

I almost never watch them live now @tildal - sky+ is where it's at

Scott Pack

11:43 PM

I'd like to point out that this question "isn't" unclear, you people are just lazy.

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