The DMZ

Anonymous

01:16

@RoryAlsop "Jizzy Pearl" wot

TildalWave

01:53

@PatoSáinz sounds like a name for a color, you know, like Deep Purple, only more white and yellow and less purple :D

or maybe it's a reference to Whitesnake :)))

> Birth name: James Wilkinson

heh apparently he chained himself on a cross that was placed on the Y on the Hollywood sign: youtube.com/watch?v=LOwKav3WR6Y

tylerl

03:26

Hi everybody. I'm kinda new to this site. And maybe this question has been asked before. But I heard that you can, like, hack stuff. And I've always wanted to like be able to hack stuff. And I play this game called Age of Clansville Saga and my friend Nick he told me that he hacked it and got like ten million coins for free and I thought maybe someone could show me how to hack the game. So if you could send me teh codez then please to very success thank you.

Terry Chia

03:51

@tylerl ALT-F4 is the winning key sequence for most games.

ekaj

04:54

I would like to eventually work in InfoSec... and I (most likely) have an internship starting at a local ISP this week - any of you think this is a good start to making connections / learning about server admin/etc to eventually lead to sec?

strugee

05:07

@ekaj I'm not an expert in infosec but I would say that in order to do well you have to have pretty intimate knowledge of the systems you're protecting

one of the best things you can do is to bring up a UNIX on a computer you have at home and start using it. most people go for GNU/Linux but a BSD is fine.

most of the backend systems you'll see at your internship will be running those systems.

ekaj

I assume that too. I do use Unix already

strugee

ah

ekaj

I'm not a complete newbie, I actually play around with things. I'll be doing a lot of unix server admin stuff there once they know I am competent / teach me what I need to learn

I was gonna look for someone who actually worked in InfoSec willing to take a newbie but this one kinda fell in my lap

Stack Exchange

05:38

They'd convince me to come out of retirement for one last job: biting into a giant lump of slightly soft wax a couple of times.

Rоry McCune

08:23

Mornin' All

@TerryChia so the only winning move is ... not to play

Lucas Kauffman

@RоryMcCune morning rory

AviD

08:42

@strugee must be nice, living in your perfect fantasy world.

Rоry McCune

@AviD hey hey no shattering the dreams of young people

AviD

yeah, @ekaj is probably in for a rude awakening too.

then again, truth is that if you want to be sheltered from coming in contact with anything that does not fit your preconceived bubble, it usually is pretty easy to do so.

Except PHP. Everybody runs into PHP.

Terry Chia

@RоryMcCune No, the only winning move is to keep playing.

AviD

@TerryChia shame on you!

Rоry McCune

@TerryChia oh dear

AviD

08:46

@RоryMcCune these young'uns today.

Terry Chia

@AviD As a general rule, my perfect fantasy world is better than your perfect fantasy world.

Rоry McCune

@AviD I don't know, Tsch!

AviD

@RоryMcCune how 'bout we start calling @TerryChia Joshua? Just until he gets the point.

Rоry McCune

@AviD that could work :)

AviD

@TerryChia actually, probably not. My fantasy is richer, and more mature.

and more whipped cream.

Terry Chia

08:48

What the fuck? github.com/dim-s/jphp

AviD

I am afraid to click on that.

Ouch. I did, and now my brain hurts.

Rory Alsop

10:38

@Terry - I'm with @AviD on this, we have had longer to develop our fantasy worlds...

AviD

@RoryAlsop well, your fantasy world is like ancient mythology for my fantasy world. ;-)

AviD

11:21

Hmm, interesting - a local meetup is having a lecture on Dart. Maybe I should go....

Rory Alsop

11:33

@AviD - mythology has the best fantasy worlds. c.f. Valhalla :-)

AviD

I dont know, I'm not too enthused about getting to Valhalla. a bunch of dead, sweaty, drunk vikings, that have been pissed off about being dead for the past few centuries, and disappointed that the Jihadi's got all the virgins....

You just know they are breaking E.V.E.R.Y.T.H.I.N.G. in the room.

Lucas Kauffman

11:45

@AviD You seem to forget that the gender of those virgins was never detailed

Terry Chia

@AviD The bar game or the programming language? ;)

David Freitag

@LucasKauffman Come to think of it, was it ever mentioned as to whether they are human as well?

AviD

@LucasKauffman I'm not forgetting. These are vikings, man, VIKINGS. Dead vikings.

@TerryChia hehe. Neither, the scripting language. ;-)

Terry Chia

@AviD Pfft, elitist.

David Freitag

@TerryChia How are you a non-pedantic programmer?

Terry Chia

11:48

@DavidFreitag <scottpack>I'm not a programmer sir. Please do not insult me.</scottpack>

AviD

@DavidFreitag He uses Javascript.

One must never be pedantic whenst using Javascript.

David Freitag

@TerryChia Oh, i see. You're one of those measly scriptists.

Terry Chia

@AviD Grrr, that's the highest of insults.

AviD

@TerryChia really? worse than node.js, worse than PHP?

David Freitag

@TerryChia Worse than MongoDB?

Terry Chia

11:50

Also, I'm not pedantic because I have good tools that scream at me when I write something ugly.

AviD

I could think of a bunch of languages that are worse.

though most of them have valid excuses for being worse.

@TerryChia you should get a mirror like that.

David Freitag

@TerryChia Yes, but you would think that after all that screaming your brain would just know what's right and what's not.

Terry Chia

@AviD Heh.

AviD

@DavidFreitag He uses PHP. Human brains can never know what's right and what's not.

Terry Chia

@AviD I do not use PHP dammit!

David Freitag

11:52

@AviD Well @Terry did say good tools i thought PHP didn't apply in that case.

AviD

hehe, I guess today is Insult @TerryChia day.

Oh wait, I meant Insult @Joshua @TerryChia day.

Terry Chia

Goddammit where is @Simon?!?!

David Freitag

@TerryChia There will be no scapegoat this eve.

AviD

12:54

@DavidFreitag awww shucks. I guess it's pizza again, then.

Simon

@TerryChia HELLO

David Freitag

@AviD Heh, nah more likely salad again for me.

Simon

@DavidFreitag It's really good, I've been listening to it in loop in my car

David Freitag

@Simon I'm listening to it right now as a matter of fact.

AviD

@DavidFreitag just bought some nice scapegoat cheese.

though personally I prefer my scapegoat as kebab.

Simon

12:56

@DavidFreitag Is it the continuous mix? Is there a nice transition between tracks?

David Freitag

@AviD I've never had scapegoat. Come to think of it I've also never had scapegoat cheese or even scapegoat milk. I should probably fix that one of these days.

Simon

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Q: Do the children need to respect their father who provoked their mother to commit suicide?

A couple was in the habit of having constant conjugal fights. In the course of one such altercation, the husband asked the wife, "Can't you get any poison?". The wife then and there got the insecticide which was incidentally at their house, drank it, and in-spite-of the best efforts from the doct...

What a downer.

David Freitag

@Simon There's probably a half a second delay between tracks. But that might be because of my shitty bluetooth headset

AviD

@DavidFreitag nah, the cheese (and milk) is usually quite stinky. seldom that the cheese is mild enough to be edible.

Though I guess with cheese, the stinkier the better, right?

Simon

@RoryAlsop Aw, I wish I could watch it but I'm at work. The singer looks great.

David Freitag

12:59

@AviD I suppose that all depends on the family of cheese you subscribe to. I am personally a fan of the gouda/havarti family. I'm not a huge fan of blue cheese or any of the strong stuff.

AviD

@DavidFreitag it depends for what, really. Just eating a chunk of cheese, or in a sandwich - I agree with you.

but say in a salad, or as a sauce, or whatever, you need to go for the stronger ones.

Though Camembert and brie are probably my favorites...

David Freitag

@AviD I love feta on salad and in egg salad sandwiches. That's probably the strongest stuff I like

AviD

@DavidFreitag cmon. what about parmesan on pizza? or eggplant?

David Freitag

@AviD Parmesan is good. It's hardly what i would call strong though.

AviD

@DavidFreitag stronger than feta, no?

hmm, could be regional differences, I guess.

David Freitag

13:02

@AviD In America, or perhaps, rather, what I've tasted, no.

AviD

parmesan here, at least, tends to be pretty sharp.

Simon

I don't like my current life situation. I'm fairly sure that I won't complete my Bachelor (or at least now) and I'm debating whether if I should just work or do a minor in digital music

much decisions

David Freitag

It's not really flavorful here. It's more like an almost tasteless soft white powder.

@Simon What makes you so sure you won't complete your Bachelors?

Terry Chia

@Simon Minor in digital music. Is that the cool kid's version of an English degree?

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AviD

@DavidFreitag oh honey, I don't think that counts as real Parmesan.

Simon

13:04

@DavidFreitag I'm not motivated to learn anything related to CS unless it's for work.

@TerryChia There's absolutely nothing cool about studying music.

AviD

that's just the 'merkanized cheesy powder you get to add to your pasta or whatever. 'Merkanized, watered down, and tasteless. Just like their beer.

David Freitag

@AviD The worst part is that the companies that advertise these products claim that they are from some small european village where we are lead to believe some old guy ground it himself.

@Simon You need to broaden your terms as to what qualifies under "it's for work"

Terry Chia

@Simon And why is a degree about learning again?

Simon

@DavidFreitag If I get paid for it.

Terry Chia

It's about getting that damn piece of paper so you can find a better job.

AviD

13:08

@TerryChia this.

Simon

Yeah and that fucking sucks.

David Freitag

@Simon Getting a degree isn't about getting payed for it now. It's about having that paper that says any future employer will pay you a ton.

Terry Chia

@DavidFreitag paid* :P

Simon

I already have a degree in CS but not bachelor.

David Freitag

@TerryChia Shaddup

@Simon Anything lower than a Bachelors will get scoffed at.

Terry Chia

13:09

@DavidFreitag And you said I wasn't a pedant.

David Freitag

@TerryChia You're just going out of your way now so @AviD doesn't call you a PHP writer again

Simon

@DavidFreitag It's a 3-year degree, it's not a simple thing that was done in a year. You can easily get a decent job with that.

David Freitag

@Simon Yes but do you want a decent job or a career?

Simon

I don't know.

David Freitag

Let me give you a hint. The main difference between the two is the paycheck.

AviD

13:11

@Simon Then I suggest finding another field of work. If you are not addicted to it, absoultely crazy about it, willing to do it even if you weren't getting paid - it's not worth it.

Simon

Will a paycheck make me happy?

AviD

there are easier fields to be in.

David Freitag

@Simon No, but the shit you buy with it sure as hell will.

Simon

@AviD It's just that all I've been doing for my entire life so far is related to CS. I feel like I should be seeing other things.

AviD

@DavidFreitag I disagree. The paycheck is the one thing they have in common.

@Simon TWSS.

Simon

13:12

@AviD She did say that.

AviD

@DavidFreitag The main difference between a decent job and a career - the price you pay aside from the paycheck.

Simon

That too.

AviD

if it is a career - you would be doing it anyway, even if you didnt get a paycheck.

David Freitag

@AviD I dunno. I have a pretty kickass job, but it certainly isn't a career. If i were hired five years later with a Bachelors i would be making easily three times what i currently make. I love my job.

AviD

great. Is it the first step in a career?

David Freitag

13:14

Well, consider the fact that it's my first job, and then consider that this job currently funds my progress through college in its entirety I would say yes.

AviD

In hebrew, there are different words between work (v.) and work (n.), e.g. place of work. It is very interesting to see if somebody goes to a place of work or goes to do work.

@DavidFreitag so there ya go!

"Career" doesn't mean "the job you will have for the next 20 years". It means "a step in the path that I want to follow for the next 20 years".

David Freitag

Well it's complicated. I do love my job, but i certainly won't be here for much longer.

AviD

Hmm. I seem to be getting all philosophical about careers lately. Perhaps I'm just trying to avoid my job.

Terry Chia

@AviD Sounds like you need a new job. ;)

David Freitag

I get really philosophical (or rather try to) when I'm sleep deprived.

AviD

13:17

@TerryChia yeah, probably. Sick of consulting.

Terry Chia

@AviD Join a $BIGCORP like @RoryAlsop then. ;)

AviD

Too picky though - havent found a place that I could stand having to go to every day yet. At least with consulting, my commute is usually short.

@TerryChia noooo, that's exactly what I can't.

I'm not mature enough like @RoryAlsop to be able to stand the bureaucracy, politics, and etc.

Simon

Yeah, poop jokes are not really in fashion there I heard.

AviD

hahah

actually I am not a fan of the scathumour.

Simon

That's a good thing.

David Freitag

13:22

Yeah, it's more the flattus that's funny anyhow.

Terry Chia

@AviD @DavidFreitag I'm not sure if it's just a coincidence or not, but the latest TDWTF article has plenty of cheese references. :P

David Freitag

@TerryChia It couldn't possibly a be a coincidence.

@Simon huh, i just realized that Google has the continuous mix on that album. That is pretty odd.

1:15:45 of pretty good stuff.

Simon

@DavidFreitag Well, you get both versions when you buy the CD.

David Freitag

@Simon Which is effectively what i did.

Simon

^_^

David Freitag

13:27

"Add to Library" => Buy this Disk

Simon

The mix is really well done, the intro track is insane.

Yeah, god damn lucky you are to be able to do that.

David Freitag

All for $7.99/mo

Simon

Yeah that's just insane.

David Freitag

My library has grown to over 1500 tracks in just under a year

Simon

My hard drive would be loaded with music.

What quality is it?

David Freitag

13:30

You can determine the quality based on the connection speed

Simon

Ah. Can you save the tracks locally?

David Freitag

Yep. You can cache music until you fill up the 32gig space on your phone

Simon

Sick.

David Freitag

But not on PC i don't think.

Also, the cached music is inaccessible (or possibly not easily accessed...) unless you use the GMusic app.

Simon

That's understandable. The service would probably be far more expensive if you could just download the .mp3.

David Freitag

13:33

I still don't understand how it's even possible. There are NO ads, not even on the full site. None.

Last month i used 28 gigs in 4g data in music from Google alone

Simon

Do you have an unlimited data plan?

David Freitag

let alone the gobs of wifi and from dekstops

@Simon Yar. $30/mo from T-Mobile

Terry Chia

@DavidFreitag Google gets more data on you.

Simon

@DavidFreitag QQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQ

We're getting screwed here like crazy.

David Freitag

@TerryChia Has not a care do I.

Simon

13:35

Unlimited texts/phone calls + ONE gig of data, I pay 50 bucks.

Terry Chia

@DavidFreitag I don't care about that either, but saying "no ads" is misleading. Google does get something in return.

Simon

Fucking Canada. It's still cold as dicks out there and we get screwed over.

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David Freitag

@Simon Well, in most places T-Mobile sucks awful bad. But I got it lucky with a tower in the butter zone.

@Simon It's nearly -18ºC here right now

Simon

-12 here

But at least you don't pay a crazy price for your cell.

David Freitag

@TerryChia Well, it really isn't misleading. The one thing i hate about pandora is the ads. I could care less about Google's data collection because it doesn't barge in and annoy the shit out of me every other song.

Adnan

13:37

Oh yeah. That's the stuff!

Terry Chia

@DavidFreitag Yes, but the way you initially stated it makes it seem like Google is running a completely free service at a loss. That's not true.

Adnan

This day couldn't have been any better.

Simon

Someone got laid.

Adnan

It's sunny, no wind, and I've managed to clean my room.

David Freitag

@TerryChia Well obviously.

Simon

13:38

And it's not -12

David Freitag

@Adnan It's 22ºC and sunny where I'm currently sitting, that's all i care about

Adnan

More importantly, an infamous rapist, killer, and a thief died yesterday.

A small improvised rocket fell randomly right at him

Simon

Was he locked up at least?

Adnan

(Source: aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2014/03/…)

David Freitag

@Adnan You opened yourself up to a pretty awful joke. I won't do it.

Simon

13:40

Any rapist should be executed, no matter what he's been through in his life that made him like that.

Adnan

When I was 17, I was on my bike on a red light. That dude in a car behind me, got out of his car (while the light was still red), beat the shit out of me and went back in his car.

Terry Chia

@DavidFreitag An infamous rapist, killer and thief walked into a bar?

Adnan

Now you're dead, bitch!!!

So haaaaaapppy

Simon

@Adnan Wow.

Adnan

@Simon Not if has the "Assad" last name, baby.

Simon

13:41

@Adnan A messed up family?

And powerful, I assume

Adnan

@Simon Yup

David Freitag

@Adnan See, if this was America, you would've just pulled out your gun and kneecapped him and taken his car.

Simon

'MERICA

Adnan

@DavidFreitag Then his buddies would have went to my home, executed my mother, my father, my little brothers and sister and then blamed it on terrorists.

Simon

For some reason I didn't read the "would have" and started to freak out a little bit.

David Freitag

13:43

@Adnan Well, see, this would be America. If they entered your neighborhood about 300 angry mexicans would have had an issue with their presence.

Adnan

@Simon Oh, don't worry. He did that to many families.

Simon

@Adnan Ugh >.<

Terry Chia

►

Adnan

@DavidFreitag Shorty after, a military squad would get into the neighbourhood not caring about the safety of anybody.

Anyway, regardless of politics and discussion. The son of a bitch is dead and his sect members are crying rivers over him, and that makes me extra happy.

David Freitag

@Adnan Military? This is America. In some places the cops won't even get out of their cruisers.

Adnan

13:44

His mother and son should cry 10x for every girl he raped and young man he killed.

@DavidFreitag How about MIGs?

Fuck yeah. Tonight, drinks on me!

David Freitag

@Adnan I don't think we have those. And i don't think F18's are typically called in for race wars. Otherwise Oakland would be a graveyard.

Simon

Oh and of course a piece of shit like that would have a kid.

I hate this world.

David Freitag

@Adnan In just under 13 hours i can join you!

AviD

@Adnan at least he never raped the young men.

Simon

Who knows?

Adnan

13:48

@AviD What @Simon said

AviD

@Simon well, did he?

Simon

@AviD Refer to what I just said.

AviD

@Simon I was asking you.

Adnan

In case any of you is in Finland, find a bar called DOM. Tonight I'll be there offering free drinks to anybody who congratulates me.

Simon

@AviD I don't know.

AviD

13:49

> "We will rape their horses, and ride off on their women!"

Simon

wot

AviD

@Adnan Congratulations on outliving your nemesis!

Adnan

@AviD Not my nemesis, really. To be honest, he's more of a crimes-against-humanity type of a guy.

AviD

@Adnan Hey, he beat the crap out of you. He's your nemesis.

No one does that to one of ours, and gets away with it!

... for over 18 years.

Terry Chia

@AviD Your high school reunions must be fun.

Simon

13:52

lul

Adnan

@AviD Until a misplaced missile finds its way to his vehicle

AviD

@TerryChia hehe. Never actually had one. Or didnt go to it. I dunno.

@Adnan who says it was misplaced? ;-)

Adnan

@AviD True. I guess I'd call it very well-placed.

AviD

I'm not saying I had anything to do with it. Of course, if I did have anything to do with it, I wouldn't be saying I had anything to do with it.

Terry Chia

Sweet, Syscan is next week. The talks this year looks good.

Adnan

13:54

@TerryChia Will they talk about awesome hits by missiles?

Terry Chia

@Adnan No, but there's one on car hacking.

Adnan

@TerryChia Close enough

Terry Chia

> This talk covers a brand new technique to grab credentials from pwned machine even without admins privileges. Having no access to internal network and absence of admin privileges is common case during spear phishing attacks and social engineering activities. The technique is possible due to design flow in Windows SSPI implementation. Proof of concept tool is also provided.

This one looks good as well.

ekaj

@Avid I'm aware of what I am going to get myself into.

Iszi

Someone please kill this now.

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Q: Where should someone start if they want to become a 1337 H4x0r? {serious.(true)}

I'm actually genuinely interested in learning the language(s) i need to learn to improve my infosec skills. Reading Neuromancer BZRK and all these different Cypherpunk novels are inspiring me.

encryption programming

Simon

13:59

sigh

Adnan

@Iszi I'll talk to some people :D

Terry Chia

@Iszi That answer is beautiful and deserves to be in a hackin9 article.

David Freitag

@TerryChia He had me at

> First, install several subdomains to anonymize your DNS and wrap your IP with a cat5 SATA.

Adnan

@TerryChia I'm so upvoting that answer!

AviD

@ekaj okaay...? what context is that? Or just in general.

TildalWave

14:08

Do we really have to nuke that answer tho? It's pretty funny

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A: Where should someone start if they want to become a 1337 H4x0r? {serious.(true)}

First, install several subdomains to anonymize your DNS and wrap your IP with a cat5 SATA. Next, load up your ISP with the MapReduce -n flag and nettrace your target to obtain their octagonal megahertz address. Plug this address into your latest hardware compiler (probably either ELF or ASM). No...

David Freitag

@TildalWave Screencap it for a laugh later ;]

Terry Chia

Someone submit that to Hackin9 please!

Adnan

@TerryChia Do it

Terry Chia

We should ask @Poly. He got contacted by them once.

AviD

@TerryChia They pretty much contacted everybody they could find. Not everyone had a brilliant response like @Poly's, though.

Adnan

14:12

Shameless self-plugging

You should write scripts for movies and TV shows that involve technology. (Example youtube.com/watch?v=hkDD03yeLnU) — Adnan 44 secs ago

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Iszi

@Adnan That has got to be the worst misuse of tech terms ever perpetrated by Hollywood.

AviD

@Iszi pretty bad, but worst? I dunno, it's a tight race.

Iszi

@AviD Dare I ask to be shown what else is included in this competition?

Simon

And who doesn't like tight?

2

AviD

Hackers, Swordfish, The Net, ....

Adnan

14:17

@Iszi @AviD Aghhhhhem cracked.com/…

AviD

:-)

Simon

Me: This is gonna take all day QQ

2 hours later, done.

fucking noob

Adnan

@AviD Watched first episode of Black Mirror?

AviD

@Adnan no?

TildalWave

@Adnan hehehe that line is still brutal :D

AviD

14:20

@Adnan I do notice that CSI is on there multiple times...

TildalWave

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Adnan

@AviD Then you missed what I thought was probably the best technology scene on TV (hacking/networking-related)

Not only they used something that makes absolute sense, they showed something that I never saw being used before

AviD

@Adnan nope, its not on the Cracked list.

Adnan

and if it's used, I think it would work.

@AviD Dude.. the best, not the worst.

AviD

ahh, actual best?

Adnan

14:22

It's factually accurate.. to a great extent

Not gonna ruin it for you, but they used data cross-referencing in a very new way.

I was impressed and surprised.

AviD

worth watching?

I'll put it on my list.

Adnan

Like you know when they say "Oh, I'm gonna use nmape to scan the ports and then try my luck with metasploit"?

Except here they said something that is equally accurate, but I haven't heard before

Simon

14:36

IT'S THE RORY, THE RORY OF ALL RORIES. HE'S THE A, NOT THE M. PREPARE YOURSELF FOR SOME MADNESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Rory Alsop

Ello ello ello

I am In sunshine, in transit, and happy

AviD

@RoryAlsop sunshine?? You're not in Scotland??

Rory Alsop

@avid - regarding large Corp stuff. At least I'm not a doctor. No one ever dies

AviD

hehe

Rory Alsop

It was minus three this morning but wall to wall sunshine note

Now, even

AviD

14:39

hey, I wasn't knocking it at all. Some people dont mind it as much as others. Some even like it.

I even know a few that thrive on it.

Rory Alsop

Unfortunately I'm in transit to London, where the weather is always grotty

AviD

To each his own.

Or hers.

@RoryAlsop I remember having a pretty almost halfway decent day in London once!

it wasnt too foggy, almost a glimmer of sun, no rain at all, and we were partying over at Earl's Court.

no wait, that was Lord's Court. Or Grounds. Or whatever they call it.

Simon

It's sunny here too at least. It feels like the winter is everlasting though.

AviD

Hmm. Haven't been to London way for quite a while. Should arrange a trip there again.

Rory Alsop

Nah, Edinburgh- much nicer:-)

Will take you out for drinks

AviD

14:52

heh, excellent

I dont know edinburgh though... also, dont have a client flaying me out there.... :-)

Gilles

@TildalWave historical lock?

AviD

15:16

@Gilles hysterical lock.

David Freitag

Woohoo. First VS snippet.

AviD

@DavidFreitag That's like saying "Woohoo. First high five from a girl."

Which, considering your age, probably happened congruently.

;-)

David Freitag

@AviD Hey now. That snippet instantly inserts 17 lines of code that would otherwise have to be punched in by yours truly.

AviD

yknow what, I'm sorry. I shouldnt be mean to you.

That's what we keep @Simon around for.

kiBytes

morning?

David Freitag

15:24

I wonder how difficult it would be to make it scan the class and for every object that can be it does a null check and properly disposes them.

Terry Chia

@kiBytes You sound unsure.

AviD

@DavidFreitag oh, well then, sweet.

but why do you need to punch in 17 lines of code, repeatedly?

Terry Chia

@AviD Bad code design?

AviD

@TerryChia I didn't want to say....

David Freitag

@AviD IDisposable

> public void Dispose() {
Dispose(true);
}

public void Dispose(bool isSafe)
{
if (isSafe)
{

}
}

~$classname$()
{
Dispose(false);
}

AviD

15:25

@DavidFreitag you do know that VS writes that code for you automatically, right?

David Freitag

That's what it injects.

The tabs didn't make the transition :\

@AviD Eh?

AviD

VS can automatically setup the plumbing code for implementing interfaces...

David Freitag

Yes, but this is more than just what the interface specifies. The interface only wants void Dispose() to be implemented.

AviD

@DavidFreitag ah, didnt really look at your code - you also want the classic Dispose(true); to be called there.

etc.

okay, fair enough, as you were, carry on.

David Freitag

:]

AviD

15:30

Actually, besides all that, it's a pretty simple excercise to experiment with the tools you use on an everyday basis, helping you better understand how they work.

I approve.

David Freitag

Exactly. So one day when I'm managing some meatball.. oh wait that's right now.

Terry Chia

@DavidFreitag Goddammit, thank you for reaffirming my love for languages with less boilerplate.

David Freitag

@TerryChia Uhh... you're welcome? Here's a cookie.

AviD

@TerryChia that's not boilerplate.

David Freitag

@TerryChia Also, that's a fallacy. Your languages all have garbage collectors that all need to run at some point. The only difference is that the GC code with the things you are working with is abstracted away and out of your control

AviD

15:36

@DavidFreitag well, thats he means (or what he thinks he means), less boilerplate that he has to repeatedly type in to do the same thing which could be abstracted away.

David Freitag

@AviD Yeah but having something like the GC abstracted away from you could potentially be a bad thing depending on what you are doing.

AviD

@DavidFreitag hey, I'm not arguing. It's also not what he was on about.

and for the record, it is mostly abstracted away form you in .NET too, it just gives you some hooks to, umm... "unabstract" it.

David Freitag

Well it gives me a way to prod it with a stick and that's what counts i guess.

TildalWave

@Gilles Not in my powers ;) And wouldn't it be too soon to acknowledge its historical significance?

Iszi

16:21

Okay, someone please help explain to me how this guy is not outing himself as an idiot? blogs.computerworld.com/privacy/23698/…

Scott Pack

Overhead? Better response time? Please. This isn't the 90s. Unless he's using email on his Palm m515 he's not going to notice.

David Freitag

@ScottPack Heh, he could be running a P4 with IE8

AviD

@Iszi what makes you think he isn't?

TildalWave

@Iszi someone should remind him that if he's not paying for it, he is the product,... and products don't have the right to complain

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AviD

16:39

He's comparing Google securing their own service, to an over-reaching mayor impotently trying to regulate the interaction between private citizens and 3rd party businesses. Obviously he doesn't understand anything.

TildalWave

The worst about it is that he's constantly considering himself "a customer". Really?

AviD

@Iszi seriously man, why do you link that stuff here? There's people here, man!

Scott Pack

@AviD Oh yeah, that was also another point that threw out his credibility.

AviD

@ScottPack did he have any?

Scott Pack

@TildalWave I know right? Business clearly have the rights to protect their business assets. In this case that means him.

@AviD I'm sure he did at one time.

@AviD I mean, look at the picture! He looks trustworthy!

David Freitag

16:51

@ScottPack His eyes are just a little too far apart though...

Lucas Kauffman

I added this to his blog:

> You are right. From now on we should not make seatbelts mandatory anymore. We should legalize all drugs, stop restricting gambling, stop setting minimum ages for gambling and alcohol. After all it's what the customer wants.

tylerl

@Iszi -1 Troll.

AviD

@LucasKauffman Isn't that Amsterdam?

TildalWave

@AviD Netherlands

AviD

Also, missing the point.

@TildalWave ... where Amsterdam is located. QED.

TildalWave

16:59

@AviD noob

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