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Thomas Pornin

20:00

Those backups are on a server which is in the same room

(on the basis that if my house burns down I will not really care about the data anyway)

nealmcb

I figure the nice thing about data is that it can outlive little things like fires, flood and theft

@thisjosh Ahh - actually mine is the graveyard one. I hadn't seen this one.

Scott Pack

I appreciate how you separate your cat from trusted individuals.

nealmcb

@ThomasPornin You don't use ssh from a laptop?

Thomas Pornin

@nealmcb Yes, but then I agree to type the relevant passwords.

No SSH client key involved

this.josh

If you could attach your brain to a USB port would it count as two factor? something you have and something you know

Ormis

20:14

oh lordy, i missed soo many messages

nealmcb

@ScottPack One other nit: re: "We're clearly Getting It ™, as an industry" - I don't think the evidence you cited supports that statement much, and I don't think the industry as a whole is really getting it (whatever the industry in question is). So I'd tone it down to maybe suggesting that sec.se merits coming out of beta, with a nice self-serving link :)

Iszi

@Ormis I've given up on trying to catch up anymore.

Ormis

ya, pretty much

i think our cube neighbors are mad at us.....

this.josh

Is knowing that you have something implicit two factor?

Ormis

dammit, josh, haha

why can't every department have a love of nerf darts :-D

this.josh

20:24

They don't?

nealmcb

@thisjosh Being what you know you have - that's the ultimate test

Ormis

nope, you can hear them muttering under their breath about how loud our nerf guns are and how they hate getting hit by darts that miss their targets....

this.josh

oww three factor, nicely done @neal

Oh, have you explained to them the problems with using paintballs indoors?

Ormis

well, we could have them sign-in with a security guard, scan their hand-print, enter a passcode, use their RFID dongle, and then get access...... oh wait, that's the datacenter

we're security, they're... actually i have no idea what they are

support or something.....

nealmcb

@thisjosh Thanks. I was trying to tie it into mindfulness, personal growth, and the ultimate question too.

this.josh

20:29

Under what finite field does 6 * 9 = 42 ?

Ormis

i love how I can tell what time it is by how many efficiency/security alerts i have on my screen.....

btw, it's 4:30, haha

Rory Alsop

@thisjosh in 'towel space'

this.josh

oh of course, thanks @Rory

nealmcb

@thisjosh Why, under your own field of course, but only if you have it and know it.

@RoryAlsop Yes indeed! There also!

this.josh

First Galois gets his own field and now me!

Scott Pack

20:43

@nealmcb By "industry" I was referring to Information Security field. The point being that if we're to the point of having serious conversations about hardening mobile devices then we're making real progress :)

I don't see sec.se graduating as having any relationship, really.

Rory Alsop

@ScottPack I think we are really progressing. Stacks of improvement over the last 15 years.

as an industry

Scott Pack

Well, we've gone from being a hobbyist segment of IT to an actual field. That says a lot.

nealmcb

@ScottPack I'm not trying to knock us. I guess my point was more about not boasting without some more germane data.

Scott Pack

@nealmcb Then it wouldn't be boasting :)

nealmcb

lol

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M'vy

22:11

Hey @RebeccaChernoff, are you around?

M'vy

22:35

Well just for you to know, I'm looking at the SEKeyboardShortcuts user-script, cause it's messing with the design when navigating the question list. (Probably nothing, just a dotted line that should have been added after the script was made and is not restored when the key is pressed).

By the way I want to know if that is normal that some functions are written on ONE line??? I personally can't read it and currently reformatting them on my environment. So I wondered if that was a feature, or if you might be interested in a pull request.

Oh I think I got something. This is the minified version of the script.

Is their a point to keep a minified version of code in user-scripts?

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