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20:03
I've been trying to help with this question:
Seems like the admin needs some education instead of an answer, any ideas where to send him?
microsoft's website? xD
no, I kid
That might be appropriate. s/he seems to be a point and click admin. Maybe they have a good point and click tutorial.
lol?
"How to set up decent passcodes 101" "By: The Evil Phoenix"
It sounds like he's in the "all or nothing" camp. More than anything else he just needs to figure out that we're out to accomplish the "right" thing not the "best".
CHAPTER ONE: Deciding a passcode's strength
:P
20:08
Chapter Zero: Different users should have different usernames.
mm....user attribution tastes like candy
CHAPTER TWO: How to have your computer get hacked easily because of a failed passcode: Examples of failures
Chapter Negative One: Understand your system before you build it.
Our IDM guy did a good talk on passwords at our Security Seminar last year. It definitely turned some heads.
20:12
Chapter Negative Two: Be able to think.
and of course, chapter negative three: Make sure you are alive :P
I'm not even sure that he understands the VPN traffic can be sent over the internet.
which person?
the VPN guy?
this?
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Q: When is it posible to sniff VPN traffic?

sos00I have created a VPN service using Routing And Remote Services on Windows Server 2008 and I haven't configured any Server Network Policy yet. There is only one user for connecting to VPN and all of our members use that single username. Yesterday while we were surfing the web (checking mails) usi...

Yes. This one.
20:16
ask him in comments if he's aware then
i'm not in the mood to answer comments or questions :P
Back on the topic of comment-chat... I find it mildly irksome that the "would you like to move this to chat" prompt remains after I've already moved it to chat.
lol
@Iszi bug?
@TheEvilPhoenix Doubtful.
good evening @all
GOOD EVENING
whoops caps
20:19
Hey AviD
@thisjosh that's correct. Also, editing requirements are lower. It's really an issue of marking it as a "list-of-X" question, dont expect a "correct" answer.
Hey Sweetness
@ScottPack darling!
@thisjosh hehe... are you being serious now?
About which AviD? The point and click?
3 hours ago, by this.josh
@AviD I'd like to hear your opinions on Fortify
20:22
Yes, I am. You seem to have some good working knowledge and I would like to know what its problems are.
I'll apply my own normalization algorithm to the data :)
@thisjosh oh, hehe... I thought you were being sarcastic, as I'm pretty sure I've made my opinion on it pretty clear....
sorry, correction
I'll assume you've read my comments earlier today....
Not sure, might have missed them
thing is, it functions on a pretty "dumb" logic. Even with all its claims of multiple scanning engines, etc, it really is only 2: syntax, and source-sink traces.
@thisjosh hang on, lemme find em for ya...
9 hours ago, by AviD
tbh, as long as one doesnt have high expectations for the output or efficiency, its not bad for what it does.
9 hours ago, by AviD
I would definitely use it, as a starting point, if I didnt have anything else.
so, the thing is, even if you spend a lot of time tweaking the "rules" (not much you really can tweak, you're very limited in your control), you're still only aiming for the (very) low hanging fruit.
again, sometimes thats what you need, and anything beyond that is a waste of energy.
and, if thats what you need, it can do the job, <strike>remarkably</strike> passibly well.
it does have some advantages... pretty much the widest coverage of the most languages, for sometimes low values of coverage... (e.g. it "covers" SQL and classic ASP, but very minimally)
I recently read "A Few Billion Lines of Code Later" about Coverity. Very interesting insights.
it also pretty much "just works" (except for when it doesnt, and then it really doesnt)....
@thisjosh Havent seen that. though I have read other reports from them....
@thisjosh thanks! its on my to-read list now.... :)
most of the automatic tools can aim only for the low hanging fruit, because of the way they work.
Aparently it started as graduale level research and describes the problems going from theory to product
I've found fortify to be of the lower-hanging, with a very high ratio of noise-to-signal
and a high ratio of false negatives - which is something most vendors dont like to talk about.
They claim it's customer driven, see the section 'That's not a bug'
(and, I'm not even gonna go on much about how the UI sucks - since its probably mostly my prejudice against Java UIs... :) )
20:36
'How to handle cluelessness?' is just a great section header
I also freely admit that part of the reason my despising (whats the noun for that??) of most code scanners, is being focused on fortify (besides me using it the most) is because of their market perception of being the leader by far.
hehe - jumping ahead!
@thisjosh also, before I condemn (or condone) Fortify (or any other code scanner) for a specific use, I would have to ask what the specific use is.
if it's for compliance, e.g. PCI 6.3... sure, why not. just expect to spend quite a bunch of time on it.
if it's for baselining, and bringing a completely broken product up to (sub-)par, it can do that relatively easy.
(btw, thats what I spend most of my Fortify time doing... )
Ok, good to know.
Bringing code up to par?
but, dont expect it to get your app secure.... and, when Fortify returns a clean report, expect to start the real work at that point.
@thisjosh from a horridly insecure application, to a commonly insecure application :)
yknow, all those teams that are first heaering about security, after developing web apps for 10-15 years....
all the trivial XSS and SQLi, and so forth.
Ah the great comparitive crutch of relativism...
Your product is no less secure than all your competitors
@thisjosh exactly. or coworkers.
so yeah, if everybody runs Fortify, then running Fortify is a great way to be equally secure as everyone else. Some value in not outrunning the bear, I guess...
hmm, @Rory I think it's time for a corrolary to AviD's Law of Compliance....
20:47
As long as every link in the chain is equally weak there is no vulnerability.
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@Rory, how's this sound: AviD's Theorem of Code Scanning: if everybody runs Fortify, then running Fortify is a great way to be equally secure as everyone else.
@thisjosh heh, what now? That's.... actually an interesting idea.
Its true!
A vulnerability implies a specific point that is weaker than most points in the system.
I... think I see what you're saying... but wouldnt that just make the whole system vulnerable?
I would prefer to define vulnerability as: A point in which an "attacker" can misuse or damage the system.
Yes, but no one point would be a vulnerability. It exemplifies the narrow focus of those that forget the big picture.
aahh, I see now what you're getting at.
20:51
And if an attacker could use any point to misuse or damage the system?
big picture time... then the whole system is vulnerable.
Its a falicy of perspective that make it true.
take it offline until its redesigned.....
@thisjosh yes, I see now what you mean.
good idea!
but, that does just highlight the need to agree on semantics.
20:52
Why make passwords better if our access control is $h!+
@thisjosh fair enough, I've heard that...
I think of it a 'not my problem' dysfunctional attitude
in fact, Ive advocated that (well, not that, but similar). This goes towards risk management - it IS important to focus on the MOST important ones first, before all the others.
I'm not fixing my piece until they fix theirs.
again, depends on perspective.
20:55
yep
21:20
Chat is getting busy - gonna need half an our to catch up on my lag
@RoryAlsop g'evening
actually most of it is boring. Everything ontopic lately, nothing about food/alcohol/spaceshuttles/urine/etc
re discussion on LMGTFY bait (@RoryAlsop @ScottPack @Thee) - see @D.W.'s comment here:
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Q: What is exactly private and public key cryptography and where they are useful?

Vinay I am not getting the real world usage scenarios of both these cryptography methods,can any one please brief their working with examples and also their usage in real world.

I really want to close that question, but I feel bad for the 2 fantastic answers already there.
21:42
@AviD Yeah - I felt the same way. But do we have a question like that yet? It is an important question after all. Kudos to the answerers
If we can't find a dup, it is useful
I wish it was easier to find dups... Maybe we want a tag to help find these simple ones? Not sure what thought
Contrast it with all the folks that think they know what their question is, but instead lead us on a wild goose chase to figure out they don't know or won't tell us....
Like that QR code question. Grrrr.
I seem to remember a q like that from early days, but I wasnt able to find it.
@nealmcb lol, yeah...
@nealmcb I agree with @Jeff, and think we should not use "meta" tags. i.e. tags that describe the question, and not the content of the question. like "beginner", "advanced", "homework"...
@nealmcb but is it? (an important question). If it's so trivial, not only does one not need to google it, but there is a wiki page on that specific topic, and it explains it so simply and well - does it really belong as a Q&A?
@Iszi this guy is really giving you a run for your money, on the longest-post-ever contest... ;)
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A: What are the main advantages and disadvantages of webid compared to browserid?

bblfishnote: A lot of these questions on the WebID side are answered in the Foaf+ssl FAQ. BrowserID versus WebID: is the distinction real? BrowserId (detailed spec) is an experiment at Mozilla labs, is very new, not fully defined (exactly how the e-mail servers public key should be found is not speci...

shopping question, i.e. make c-wiki?
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Q: Are there any "real world" implementations of secret-sharing encryption schemes?

scuzzy-deltaImagine something like TrueCrypt where user A can decrypt his files, or any 3 of the 10 directors in his organization can decrypt user A's files. As I understand it this is similar to the way the DNSSEC Root Keys are secured. Obligatory wiki entries. Does anyone know of any commercial or open sou...

@thisjosh, your answer on the vm testing environment messes up my planned migration...
without your answer, there is nothing security worthy there. Your answer really makes excellent (security) points. Damn you.
22:09
@AviD Huh? The secret sharing question?
@nealmcb he's specifically asking for products.
"Does anyone know of any commercial or open source implementation of file encryption utilizing secret-sharing?"
So you want to prevent him from getting any rep out of it?
no... to my eye, cw is less about "preventing rep", its a construct to save list-of q's (or shopping q's) that have value, from being closed as NaRQ.
@AviD What was the other recent example of that? Somehow this doesn't strike me the same way, but I'm forgetting what that was.
umm....
oh yeah, @thisjosh had a question looking for a list of resources for something or other.
no, not the same way...
usually on SE ALL shopping questions are closed, not cw - but I think this case is an example of those that DO have value. mebbe I'm wrong.....?
22:21
Anyway, I don't see that we've had problems with this sort of question, and seem to recall that was the outcome of some previous discussion
so no reason to narq or community-wiki it
I guess.... I am also trying to leave "signposts", to preempt additional questions of the sort - but then yknow what they say about premature optimization....
22:37
I love this comment from @ThomasPornin: "Also, a "silver bullet" is a way to kill werewolves. It is an "ideal solution" only if your idea of medicine is shooting patients.)"
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22:49
@AviD Link?
I have this sense that search doesn't find stuff in comments
Ahh:
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A: Does compiling from sources "kinda" protects from buffer overflow attacks?

Thomas PorninIt is mostly untrue. Using a compiler of a different version than the one used for the "mainstream" binary, or using it with different compilation flags, may result in a few things ordered differently, but chances are that most of the code elements will appear in the same order. Insofar as it cha...

Too bad he was commenting on his own use of the phrase....
@nealmcb hehe, yeah, but thats part of what makes it so funny...
23:22
@AviD That it primarily denotes lack of self-control and stress?
lol
shoulda seen that one coming
ohh! slapped myself with that one...
or, "thats what she said!"
boom! goes the dynamite...
Now go watch the one with the college weatherman
:)
23:27
storytime!
gnite
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