The DMZ

Griffin

00:45

@RоryMcCune I laughed so hard.

Stack Exchange

05:02

What I really want is to hang out where I hung out with my friends in college, but have all my older relatives there too.

Adnan

05:26

@LucasKauffman Oh, Christ! You should finally get that beer connoisseur degree. I went with some Old Amsterdam for cheese. That Leffe was heavenly.

Lucas Kauffman

05:59

@Adnan :p

Terry Chia

06:44

@ManishEarth Morning!

ManishEarth

mornin'

Lucas Kauffman

07:54

@ManishEarth Morning!

ManishEarth

Apparently waking up at noon makes the DMZ wish you a good morning. #TimeZoneLogic

Lucas Kauffman

08:08

@ManishEarth in that case: lazy bum

kalina

08:22

morning

Lucas Kauffman

hello @kalina how are you today

kalina

alive

Stephane

08:45

'morning

Rory Alsop

Morning all.

Stephane

@RoryAlsop o/

Stephane

09:13

Another day, another guy dumping an infected PC on me...

Adnan

09:50

@Lucas Fantastic idea to put the 'nudes' folder in the Dropbox share.

Lucas Kauffman

@Adnan I need to update the folder though, I've spent some time working on PwK this week :p

@Adnan well guess you felt trolled when you found out it was EMPTY

muahahaha

Adnan

@LucasKauffman Actually, that was one thing

AviD

10:23

Sitting at my desk, sipping my coffee, reading an article that LinkedIn popped up as relevant to me. The article is titled "Productivity Hacks: Why I Don’t 'Do' Coffee". Is my webcam on??

Adnan

10:38

@AviD So, you're not one of those who tape their webcams?

AviD

@Adnan heh, actually I did do that, on my laptop, back when clickjacking was becoming a thing. But I dont actually have a working webcam for my desktop...

I should probably get one sometime...

Adnan

@AviD Uggh! This is almost a deal-breaker for me when going to lady's place.

AviD

@Adnan you need the webcam on?

and, btw, thankfully I am not one of the ladies whose place you visit.

Adnan

@AviD Well, it's actually just the act of blocking the webcam with a piece if paper or black tape.

That, and having pictures of exs around.

@AviD Ah! That breaks my heart.

AviD

anyway, I lied - the tape is really blocking the webcam's ON light, so that the many ladies who visit me won't know the webcam is on. Also, if they ask, I can show them the tape ostensibly blocking the webcam.

Adnan

10:43

@AviD Yup, that's my AviD!

AviD

hehehe. Now, if only I had many ladies visiting my ~~love nest~~ I mean ~~bachelor pad~~, I MEAN, my office!

Adnan

@AviD Now I really want to see pictures of your office.

AviD

lol

if you ever make it to the area, you are invited to come visit.

Adnan

@AviD Let's see if I need visa...

AviD

It's cool, your army escort would be passing close by anyway. ;-)

Adnan

10:46

@AviD Yup, no need for visa.

Terry Chia

@AviD You mean your evil supervillain lair?

Adnan

Maybe I should shave my beard, though.

AviD

@Adnan why? They are popular here.

Adnan

@AviD Oh, true.

AviD

@TerryChia Do you know the difference between a super villian and a regular villian?

Adnan

10:47

@AviD Actually, after growing my beard, I was asked many times if I were Jewish.

Terry Chia

Here we go....

Adnan

@AviD Well, the circumcised penis played a role in the assumption too.

AviD

@Adnan aren't you?

Adnan

@AviD Whenever I'm drunk, I sing Hava Nagila all the way home from the bar. I guess that counts.

AviD

@TerryChia PRESENTAAATIOOOON!!!

►

Adnan

10:49

Hmm.. and I do own a yamaka.

Then again, by that logic I should be Scottish for knowing more than 0 Rory and owning a kilt.

AviD

@Adnan Just because you like to dress up in your mom's skirt every now and then, doesn't make it a kilt. Even if you're barebottom underneath.

Adnan

11:09

@AviD Damn it! It's an actual kilt :(

AviD

I would ask for proof, but to be honest I'm not sure I want to see it ;-)

hehehe

Adnan

@AviD I can assure you with a great certainty that you do not want to see that.

AviD

Okay, enough with the morning snark. Let's get serious for a bit.

I just moved the wife from crappy ol' iPhone to shiny new Android. Suggestions for must-have apps?

and, parallel to that, I finally upgraded my winphone to WP8 - @Iszi @RоryMcCune suggestions for must-have apps? The geekier the better.

Adnan

@AviD Want my honest opinion? Keep apps under an "as needed" rule.

AviD

@Adnan oh totally.

Terry Chia

11:17

@AviD I'm sorry... I thought you said enough with the snark?

AviD

for the wife, I'm really looking mainly for android security type stuff. AV, antimalware, lockdown, passwords management, etc.

Adnan

@AviD Ooor, how about none of that?

At most, install Prey

AviD

for me, I am also interested in the types of tools that "oo that would come in handy". Like e.g. Powershell app, that would be cool.

@Adnan have you seen android's security model? It gives about as much protection as ~~your mother's skirt~~ your kilt.

@Adnan yeah, prey thats the one, I put that on my kids' phones.

@TerryChia I don't get it?

Terry Chia

@AviD Sample conversation: "WP 8 -- that thing still exists?"

AviD

@Adnan I also need a very usable password manager for her. like keepass, but more usable. Like WP8's wallet, conceptually.

@TerryChia huh?? I dont get it.

Terry Chia

11:22

@AviD /sigh I'm mocking WP 8 and people who use it.

AviD

@TerryChia what? Why? I dont understand.

Is this one of those clueless Linuxy newbiechild-aspiring-to-neckbeard hate-everything-M$ rants again we've all come to love from you?

:-)

Terry Chia

@AviD Well.... yeah obviously!

AviD

@TerryChia ahhhh, okay. How's that working out for you?

Terry Chia

Kidding aside, keepass is already very usable on Android. What do you feel it's lacking?

Adnan

@AviD KeePassDroid

AviD

11:27

ah, excellent. Didnt actually look at it. How does the UX work, as far as switching between apps, and copypasting? Or is it embedded to the browser?

For her, that would be best.

Terry Chia

@AviD It's copy past AFAIK.

Adnan

@AviD So far, no browser-ready solutions exist

Terry Chia

Login to the wallet, find the entry you want and copy the password into clipboard.

AviD

@Adnan ah, hmm. So that's what I would say is lacking @TerryChia

@TerryChia and, I assume, there is no security controls on that clipboard.

Gotta lurv dem anderds.

Terry Chia

@AviD I don't think so but it's been a while since I used it.

Adnan

11:30

@AviD Dude. You're obsessing over this

Tell her not install sketchy apps and keep her apps updated

That's it.

Terry Chia

Also, I don't see how browser integration can exist besides actually embedding a browser in the app.

Adnan

Do people really do banking operations on their mobiles?

AviD

As paranoid as I've made my wife, I dont think she would enjoy copypasting passwords. She'd still rather use weak ones.

Adnan

@TerryChia Actually, a friend was working on one. Basically, same as Orweb. A modified browser with the stuff you need.

AviD

@Adnan some do, sure, but she doesn't.

Terry Chia

11:32

@Adnan Ah interesting.

AviD

mobile chrome doesnt support plugins?

Adnan

@AviD Fantastic. Drop the security expert act with her.

@TerryChia Speaking of which. Orweb is fantastic for unrooted phones.

Terry Chia

I know 1Password on iOS embeds a browser into the app. But it's iOS so the browser on it is the crappy no JIT version.

AviD

@Adnan hmm, come to think of it, I was confused. I think you're right, she probably doesnt need that on mobile. But I had wanted to find one like that for desktop. That's what it was.

Terry Chia

@Adnan I don't own an Android phone. My nexus 7 is currently flashed to the pwnpad rom. :P

@AviD Then.... Keepass?

AviD

11:34

@TerryChia no, keepass is too involved. For her I need one embedded in the browser.

and, if I find one that is nearly-user-transparent, I will endeavor to get my parents to use it too.

Terry Chia

@AviD LastPass...?

Adnan

Jesus Christ! Do people acutally use their mobiles to do stuff online other than Facebook/email, news, or the weather?

Terry Chia

Hah!

AviD

11:48

@TerryChia I dunno. Isnt that the one stored "in the cloud"?

@Adnan yes, some do.

that is, I definitely do, even if not actually things like banking and such.

kalina

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Adnan

Apr 19 '13 at 11:14, by Adnan

@TildalWave It's called shameless self-plugging.

@kalina Also, +1

kalina

I know, I have the best ideas

you should just automatically upvote everything I ever say

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Adnan

12:19

@AviD Does punctuation in Hebrew follow the same rules as in English?

I cannot find a good guide on that one.

kalina

TildalWave

12:36

@Adnan It's written right-to-left so ... no? E.g. P: ?thgir-ot-tfel ti etorw I fi ,eb dluow ti erehw decalp si kramnoitseuq siht ekil uoy ot kool ti seoD

AviD

@Adnan how so?

Adnan

@TildalWave Makes perfect sense

@AviD Oh, never mind. I asked a lady friend. She's gonna help me study them.

AviD

> ooh yeah, come over and help me study punctuation.

TildalWave

@Adnan who you calling a lady? :D

AviD

I'm sure you'll punctuate her very well.

TildalWave

12:46

lol

Adnan

@AviD Oh, it already happened a while ago and I got it out of the way.

@AviD Actually, it was very hot. Mainly because of the historical conflicts between our two nations. It felt extra naughty because of the religious conflict as well.

TildalWave

@Adnan yeah, but you'll be punctuating right-to-left now, I'm sure you haven't done that before :)

Adnan

@TildalWave Oh I'm quite skilled with punctuating right-to-left, left-to-right, and pretty much in all other possible directions.

TildalWave

@Adnan yeah but does she know that?

AviD

@Adnan so, you go both ways?

Adnan

12:48

@AviD Nothing wrong with that.

@TildalWave Oh she knew that alright.

AviD

►

TildalWave

@Adnan So why are you learning Hebrew then? You realize it's just heavily obfuscated, right? :)

Adnan

@TildalWave Well, I've been learning Hebrew on and off for a few years now. My interest was recently renewed following a romantic interest. While the romantic interest became out of the picture, my Hebrew-related interests stayed.

TildalWave

@Adnan Man, you're mixing your crypto here. What you want is asymmetric encryption then with a good key exchange scheme

Adnan

@TildalWave With a strong underlying symmetric encryption?

(Look at us - pretending to know a thing or two about crypto)

TildalWave

12:56

no no, I'm not pretending... it's quite obvious that I don't know anything about it

I'm just using big words like, you should install her new root certificates :))

then you MiTM her whenever you want

Terry Chia

@TildalWave Be sure to roll your own crypto!

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Adnan

@TildalWave then you MiTM them whenever you want*

@TerryChia Oh that's extremely star-worthy.

@kalina I'd like to comment on the disturbing nature of your avatar

AviD

@Adnan I'd like to comment on the disturbing nature of your face.

Terry Chia

@AviD Can we flag his face as offensive?

3

kalina

13:11

@Adnan this is my old avatar

what is your problem with it?

I'm sorry that you feel an angel is unsuitable as the avatar for an angel

AviD

do avatars have angels?

They would need to be tall and blue with funny ears.

Rоry McCune

@kalina I prefer it to the other one, there's a hacker type I follow on twitter who had a blue looking MLP avatar and it was confusing

kalina

@RоryMcCune I'm changing back if I lose in the mod election

Rоry McCune

@kalina what mod election?

kalina

gaming.stackexchange.com/election/4#post-151638

by if, I mean when

by lose, I mean finish last

Scott Pack

13:19

by finish last she means get removed from the ballot before voting

kalina

There has been a quite negative reaction to... well, it feels like many people feel disgusted by the fact I even had the audacity to nominate myself

Scott Pack

Meh. Look on the bright site, you'll get a t-shirt.

kalina

hardly

Scott Pack

They're nice and soft, keep their color well enough, and make for fantastic undershirts.

kalina

I'll be looking for something new to do with my time after this is over I think

Scott Pack

13:21

If you actually win you get more stuff.

kalina

no point in spending this much time reviewing and editing if people can't get over a mistake I made 2 years ago

Scott Pack

People are generally assholes.

Look at @AviD.

kalina

the current moderators, who out of them, only one of them is actually active, do less in terms of editing/closing/deleting than I do

AviD

@ScottPack True. Wait, are you wanting me to goatse you?

Because I am not going to goatse you.

kalina

and I've been in enough trouble to have knowledge and experience of how the actual moderation side of things work

Scott Pack

13:25

@AviD Promises promises.

kalina

@ScottPack I have more chance of winning the lottery

Scott Pack

@kalina So you'll get a t-shirt. Winner!

kalina

I don't want a t-shirt, I'd never wear it

I do not have a single geeky tshirt

AviD

send it to me!

kalina

I am extremely confident that we are not the same size

with Stack Exchange being an American company, they probably can't even get hold of a tshirt in my size

Scott Pack

13:29

@kalina I wear it as an undershirt.

Terry Chia

@kalina If you don't want the shirt, ask them for @AviD's size when they ask you.

AviD

@kalina true. I like my t's to be extra baggy.

Scott Pack

@AviD Is that so they disguise chins 4-7?

AviD

hehe

kalina

@AviD ...

if I asked them for a baggy t-shirt, it still wouldn't fit over your overly large head.

Scott Pack

13:33

I am surprised he can fit that thing through doors.

AviD

@kalina well, my head is only oversized in a literary sense, not a physical one.

Terry Chia

Wow, finally completed a buffer overflow challenge after 6 hours straight working on it. That's a new record...

Anyone of you heading to TrustyCon? arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/01/…

Rоry McCune

@TerryChia nah I avoid going to the US these days... but interesting to see they're doing quite well with another RSA alternative...

Terry Chia

@RоryMcCune Interesting that Microsoft is sponsoring it.

That's a real big "Fuck you" to RSA.

kalina

where here is American?

because your country is retarded

citation: UPTO allows trademark on the word "Candy"

Rоry McCune

13:44

@TerryChia and good to see that trustycon and B-Sides SF don't clash

so its possible to go to both...

Terry Chia

@RоryMcCune Did you see the name of the keynote?

Rоry McCune

@TerryChia what the "talk I was going to give at RSA" one?

Terry Chia

@RоryMcCune Yeah. Hilarious.

AviD

@RоryMcCune I need to start going to more conferences.

Rоry McCune

@TerryChia I think quite a few of the speakers are people dropping out of RSA

Terry Chia

13:46

@RоryMcCune Looks like it.

AviD

There is a big international cybersecurity conference next week in Tel Aviv, and I'm not invited :-(

Rоry McCune

@AviD I've just got a couple more in plan for this year. Scottish Ruby conf in may and then OWASP EU in June

@AviD bummer :(

confs loosely on security are proliferating over here, but a lot of it looks likes business/academia talking/selling shops

AviD

@RоryMcCune tbf, anybody that wants to fork over a few hundred dollas can get in. I just dont want to spew out that kind of dosh for it

Scott Pack

@kalina Our entire patent/trademark/copyright system is fucking broken.

Rоry McCune

@AviD nah there's not many confs I'd pay a lot to go to...

AviD

13:47

cybertechisrael.com

Terry Chia

@RоryMcCune Yeah. It's a real bummer especially here in SG.

kalina

@ScottPack this is an entirely new level of stupid, though

Terry Chia

There's basically one interesting con. Syscan. That's it.

AviD

they're really bringing in some big names there...

kiBytes

afternoon

so, a little question

AviD

13:48

apparently close to 4000 people have signed up.

kiBytes

is it possible to change the login e-mail?

kalina

@kiBytes little questions can only consist of up to 4 words, sorry

AviD

@kiBytes you'll have to be a bit more specific.

just a smidgen.

Scott Pack

@kalina I see it as a natural evolution of how ridiculous the system is.

kiBytes

I signed up with an e-mail account

and I would like to use a different one

kalina

13:49

if you would like to ask a medium or large question, please send $1 to [email protected]

AviD

@kiBytes signed up.... to what??

Terry Chia

@kiBytes Profile->my logins

kiBytes

I have been there, but I am not sure what should I do once there, I am not sure about the process xD

kalina

@kiBytes add more logins

kiBytes

do I need to create a new account?

ok, then that solved my doubt

^^ - mark as reply xD

or as correct answer =D

kalina

13:52

this is chat

we don't do that here

AviD

@kalina we don't really do much of anything here.

kalina

you don't

but then, you don't anywhere

kiBytes

mmm

it looks like a can't add any more accounts

AviD

oh yeah? I just handled half-dozen flags this morning!

kiBytes

any time I click over "stackexchange or similar"

it just redirects me to my user profile

kalina

13:58

looks broken to me too

kiBytes

nice! Now I have two different accounts =D

kalina

@kiBytes I've raised it as a bug

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bug login user-accounts

Adnan

@kalina It's been 53 minutes. I'm still laughing at that one.

kalina

@Adnan what is there to laugh at?

kiBytes

thank you @kalina

kalina

14:07

now that you have two accounts, you could ask @Avid to merge them and see if that results in what you were expecting

kiBytes

so... @AviD it would be great if you can do what @kalina suggests =)

the two accounts are "antonio-kiBytes" and the other one this one =)

kalina

I agree with this on a generic level, @avid should just always do what I want

AviD

@kiBytes NO! I shall not!

You can't tell me what to do! You're not my real mom!

but no, us simple mods cannot merge users anymore. You have to contact [email protected]

kiBytes

@AviD I am not in a hurry, I can wait until this is working again =)

AviD

47 mins ago, by AviD

Because I am not going to goatse you.

kiBytes

14:22

Ask meta: do "security stack-exchange" really need more users beside the bear and the llama? Their knowledge is amazing =)

Scott Pack

Well, you're half right.

Adnan

@kiBytes Tä?!

kiBytes

Don't be jealous =)

Adnan

@kiBytes Yeah. Screw all the other pentesting experience we have here. Who cares about @RoryA, @RoryM. Screw the math guys, who cares about @Manish. Screw the hardware dudes, who cares about @D3C4FF

AviD

Screw the apps guys, too!

Adnan

14:26

@kiBytes Oh yeah, I'm jealous because you're not thinking I know more than the bear.

Hehhehehehe

As if such statement needs to be stated.

kiBytes

ok @Adnan, ok I believe there are a lot of experts around here =D

AviD

and I don't quite understand what the llama is doing there. I think we don't mock @Lucas enough.

kiBytes

just naming two very active users =)

AviD

@kiBytes active != expert.

Adnan

@kiBytes You can tell you're on your way to be a liked member of this community by bashing on 99.9% of its userbase

Scott Pack

14:28

@AviD Who?

AviD

hehe, there ya go.

Scott Pack

@AviD I concur.

kiBytes

xDDDD

oh, you are grumpy and picky =D

AviD

though for the record, I DO have some answers, if not knowledge, in certain other areas besides apps.

@kiBytes -> this is addressed to the whole DMZ at large, yes?

Adnan

@kiBytes Nope. I just don't like that statement and, consequently, you.

Scott Pack

14:29

@AviD I like to think of you as the Radio Shack of Security. "We've got Questions. You've got Answers." There's just no requirement of accuracy.

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kiBytes

@AviD yes =D

Adnan

@AviD Nah, we like @Lucas

AviD

@ScottPack hahahaha, nice

Adnan

At least I do.

Scott Pack

What does liking Lucas have to do with mocking him? I can easily do both.

Adnan

14:30

@ScottPack Hmmm.. true.

AviD

@ScottPack By that token, you would be the Crazy Eddie of Security.

Scott Pack

@AviD Go on.

AviD

no no, I think that's enough.

Scott Pack

We don't have those around here.

AviD

IT'S INSAAAAAAANE!!

@ScottPack no one does, they closed in like the 80s (or maybe the 90s....) But I'm sure you remember the commercials?

Scott Pack

14:32

> a chain of retail stores that did business in New York, New Jersey, Connecticut, and Pennsylvania as well as by phone.

I'm fair positive I didn't. :)

AviD

@ScottPack Huh. I thought it was a nationwide chain. Guess it's only the area that counts.

Terry Chia

Ah, here's the llama boy.

AviD

►

kiBytes

I have another question

Lucas Kauffman

@kiBytes while very active, I don't consider myself as expertie as some of the users here in the room and certainly not the bear or the tiger.

Scott Pack

14:33

@LucasKauffman Oh honey. I'm sure you're an expert as something.

kiBytes

Well I haven't been around long enough to have read the response of every user here, just naming two of them I have been reading a lot this week =)

Lucas Kauffman

@ScottPack I am, but I still need MOAR KNOWLEDGE

AviD

@LucasKauffman who's the tiger?

Lucas Kauffman

and more experience

@AviD you, raur

AviD

ahhh oh duh :$

thats tiGGer

Terry Chia

14:34

@ScottPack He's definitely The DMZ's resident Llama expert.

AviD

double guh

kiBytes

But, I have another question

Lucas Kauffman

@kiBytes shoot

AviD

►

kiBytes

I haven't seen any statistics about the page

visits, questions/day and similar

maybe there is a place

I haven't found it

AviD

14:35

@ScottPack see if you had the context of being familiar with these commercials, it would have been hilarious.

Scott Pack

@AviD Not growing on in the high society area of Jersey Shore I didn't have the privilege.

Adnan

@ScottPack I can attest to @Lucas' expertise on beer. His pairing recommendations are phenomenal. The mere sight of his beer collection got my gf's engine running.

Terry Chia

@Adnan Is that a euphemism?

Scott Pack

Ok, that's true. Lucas does have good advice on that.

He still hasn't come to visit and bring a case.

Adnan

@TerryChia Luckily, this is literally what happened.

@ScottPack Speaking of which.

Lucas Kauffman

14:37

@ScottPack You still haven't visited my either, there's always a glass and a bottle standing ready visitors from SECSE

Scott Pack

@TerryChia They poured a little beer in the carburetor and off it went!

Adnan

I decided to gift 4 users in the DMZ each a 6-pack of the European beer of their choice

Thomas Pornin

@ScottPack: it turns out that the Snark was a real thing. It delivered a massive impact but was extremely unreliable and inaccurate.

Adnan

Now the hard part is deciding which 4 users.

AviD

@Adnan oooo me me! pick me!

kiBytes

14:39

I am sure I one of the four @Adnan

AviD

But I want a 6-pack of @LucasKauffman's choice.

Adnan

@AviD Dude, your name is automatically assigned to one of them.

Lucas Kauffman

6 pack westvleteren

AviD

@Adnan w000t!

Adnan

and I was thinking of @Terry

Scott Pack

14:39

@LucasKauffman Speaking only English how would a trip to your area work out for me?

Now that @Terry's old enough to drink.

Lucas Kauffman

@ScottPack it would depend, most dutch speaking people also speak English, if they're french you're fucked

Xander

@kalina Kettle, meet pot. nbcnews.com/business/… They've just filed in the US. They've already been granted a trademark in the EU.

Thomas Pornin

@ScottPack You can replace speech with dollars. As long as you keep handing out 100$ bills, people will smile.

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Scott Pack

@ThomasPornin Spoken like a true Frenchman!

Adnan

@ScottPack As someone who has done a similar trip speaking only English. I can assure you it's extremely easy.

Lucas Kauffman

14:41

@Adnan The nordics isn't Belgium :p

AviD

@ScottPack I haven't been to Belgium, but in the Netherlands (which is right next door) it was perfectly fine.

Scott Pack

@LucasKauffman I could believe that. The Dutch speakers I've met speak exceptional English.

Adnan

@LucasKauffman Dude, I went to Belgium at least 2 times.

AviD

Romania, on the other hand, is another matter altogether.

Adnan

(where I actually went around for days)

Lucas Kauffman

14:43

@ScottPack Mr Scott if you ever want to visit I will put some several beers cold together with a bed and a bucket.

kalina

@kiBytes use the "contact us" link on the site and ask for your old and new account to be merged, that will merge the logins as well

Scott Pack

@LucasKauffman I'll definitely let you know. I imagine the next time I make it that way I'll be dragging the family along.

@LucasKauffman Last night the kid asked us to take her to Scotland.

kiBytes

I will, thanks @kalina

Lucas Kauffman

@ScottPack you can visit the Rories :O

you can make it a eurotrip

Terry Chia

@Adnan Thanks, but shipping stuff here from Finland will probably be killer expensive. :P

Lucas Kauffman

14:45

visit Rories, me, Adnan and Tildal

Scott Pack

@LucasKauffman Given the expense of air travel we might as well.

Adnan

@TerryChia Oh no, don't worry. The killer will be customs, probably.

Lucas Kauffman

yea

Adnan

@ScottPack Shove the family into a 10euro trip with RyanAir

Lucas Kauffman

I don't like Singapore customs :(

@TerryChia do you actually drink beer?

Adnan

14:46

@LucasKauffman Yeah yeah yeah.. Visit meeee!!! I have cold.. very cold. Also santa. Also Salmiakki.

Lucas Kauffman

@Adnan we can go into the sauna together with the scott.

Adnan

@LucasKauffman :O :O :O

Lucas Kauffman

and take pictures of us manly man being manly

Adnan

Oh, Jesus!

Terry Chia

@LucasKauffman Not my favorite drink in the world and I don't drink it often, but I do at times.

Adnan

14:47

@Lucas Being naked with the DMZ people. I'm not sure I wanna do that

Scott Pack

I'm appropriately furry.

Terry Chia

@ScottPack I'm sure @LucasKauffman is into that.

Scott Pack

I said appropriately.

Adnan

Ahhh.. Just encountered this.

on an HTTP page

Lucas Kauffman

@TerryChia Tigerbeer isn't bad tbh, but it's just pilsner

Ladadadada

14:52

@LucasKauffman Or the llamaly man being llamaly.

Has everyone seen this yet? blog.mozilla.org/security/2014/01/20/…

Terry Chia

@RоryMcCune What do you think about the recent Ruby/SSL fuss?

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