The DMZ

TildalWave

00:12

@tylerl Sorry, disregard that babbling of mine in EE chat, I just wanted to make sure that deletion of the previous message doesn't look suspicious since I'm never really there. I was asked to remove it by its author and it was a bit ... sensitive ;)

Simon

BAI

Jeff Ferland

01:03

@ScottPack What's up?

Scott Pack

Not much. Just saying hi.

Ended up staying home with a sick kid today. We watched the extended edition of Return of the King. That took a while.

David Freitag

02:19

I just realized that the new Titanic from Doctor Who looks exactly like the new Titanic in Futurama...

Scott Pack

02:55

That was several years ago

David Freitag

03:06

So was your face, but you don't hear me complaining.

Scott Pack

That doesn't even make sense.

TildalWave

03:21

@ScottPack haiiii :)

@ScottPack oww :(

Scott Pack

@TildalWave She barfed a few times last night so we kept her home from school today. Totally fine all day, so who knows.

TildalWave

@ScottPack oh one of those one day kids flues ... then it gets to you and you can't get out of bed for two weeks

Scott Pack

meh

TildalWave

I had 2 3 in a row this year like that, realized I'm getting them from my bro's kid. But I guess if you're with the kid all the time anyway, then you should be fine.

Scott Pack

The only time I've actually gotten sick in the past couple of decades was Mono in college and when the little one was 2 and gave me rotavirus.

TildalWave

03:28

dunno man I think I just had a particularly bad luck this year, I'm usually fine for years with maybe a cold every couple of years or so

Most of my September - November weeks were pretty crap on that front

Scott Pack

I consider illness an indication of weakness of character.

TildalWave

@ScottPack hehe I thought you might :)

Scott Pack

Any truly good person will have enough control over their base instincts to keep from succumb to something so...vulgar as an infection.

TildalWave

who said I'm a truly good person? :O besides, not all is bad about staying home a bit more, think of all the household chores I got done out of sheer boredom ;)

probably the only 2 months in the last 10 years that I fixed more stuff than I broke :)

Scott Pack

meh

I work from home.

So I just didn't go into the office and didn't turn on my computer

I did get a lot of laundry done, though.

TildalWave

03:41

I mostly work from home too, but since I canceled a few meetings I had a lot more time on my hands

and I didn't feel like staring at the monitor all the time

Scott Pack

Troof

Anyway. I'm going to read for a bit while I wait for the old lady to finish her whatever so we can go to bed.

Stack Exchange

05:03

tylerl

05:19

@TildalWave what did it say?

wansn't paying attention

TildalWave

@tylerl Oh just one of our space members called out for one of EE members because of one comment... I thought I'd stop it before it goes anywhere

I mean I didn't nuke it, I just asked of the space member to not dig into it and explained that it's already resolved... then cleared up on behalf of our member not to cause any trouble

diplomacy :)

@tylerl basically, regarding this:

I resent the fact that someone who has not really participated on this site is trying to suggest to us what the community promotion ads should be. You seem to be going around promoting Space.SE at the other SE sites. — Olin Lathrop Dec 9 at 23:14

Now Olin is, as you'd know, a bit of an authority on EE. At least by rep, I wouldn't know by other things. But he is missing the point there, which I thought I explained well enough in my later comments but one of our regulars apparently thought there's more to say on the matter.

tylerl

05:35

@TildalWave why are you pushing Space.SE so much?

It doesn't seem like a useful concept

TildalWave

@tylerl So much? It's just rotating ads on 4 SE sites, I've seen many ads that are posted on more sites at once and they're for external sites

tylerl

@TildalWave sure, but what I mean is you don't hear people talking about english.se or christianity.SE or chess.SE. But I hear plenty about space.SE here in this chat.

TildalWave

@tylerl Well the problem with beta sites is that they simply lack visibility on SE sites in general, all graduated sites are a lot more visible. But sure, if you can suggest better ways that are accessible to us and don't appear too needy / pushy, then I'd gladly hear them

@tylerl You do?

tylerl

@TildalWave I'm not complianing. It's not like you're interrupting anything. I just wonder what the space forum would be useful for.

I mean, here's a question asked by a mod:

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Q: Is Santa Claus still on track to have his 'deliver to Mars' initiative ready by the time Mars One has landed in 2025?

Recently, CNN informed us that Mars One seems to still be on track for landing on Mars in 2025. If this is the case, we may have humans celebrating the first Christmas on Mars of all time. Since this is such a big milestone in the history of Christmas, it would be unfortunate if Santa Claus coul...

So... really? That's why this board exists?

TildalWave

@tylerl yeah... not my idea

can't say I agree with it either, if anything, it should probably be on meta

there's still a proper question in there tho

just Christmas wrapped

tylerl

05:41

OK, how about one of these:

3

Q: Do astronauts take any pills to battle bone density loss?

Is the effect of micro-gravity on bone structure similar to osteoporosis? If so, do they often take simple pills like calcium or more advance medicine such as ones listed here? Lastly, are they effective? I am aware that daily workouts on the ISS are crucial. Just wondering if a medication alone...

microgravity humans biology

15

Q: Is it possible to get pregnant through natural means in space?

The Russians did some early testing with rats (Packing for Mars: The Curious Science of Life in the Void, By Mary Roach pg 245) and natural means did not result in pregnancy. Later testing shipped pregnant rats into space, where some health issues developed. NASA research indicates that female a...

medical life astrobiology

I mean...

TildalWave

C'mon you're now cherry picking, there's plenty of good questions

tylerl

cherry picking from top questions on the front page?

I didn't even scroll down.

TildalWave

Besides, what's supposed to be wrong with these two? I don't get it, microgravity and increased radiation environment of outer space are on topic on our site, as is space medicine

tylerl

So, Sec.SE is for security professionals, EE.SE is for electrical engineers. Parenting.SE is for parents. But space.SE is very definitely not for people who actually do work in space-related industries.

TildalWave

@tylerl that's because I edited the old one to include a new tag from the new one, that's why they're together

tylerl

05:44

It's more like a forum for people who like to talk about space.

TildalWave

@tylerl How so? Some of these people are in space you know? Or they might send someone or require someone to do their experiments and so on.

tylerl

@TildalWave So say you work for NASA on the Mars Rover project. Under what conditions would you post a question on Space.SE? Is there even one?

TildalWave

@tylerl Well, I'll take that point. We do perhaps have too many "curious about space" questions and not enough research level questions for the time being, but that is slowly improving, especially since there's limited supply of general type questions that people ask but constant new progress in space research and industry

tylerl

> Space Exploration Stack Exchange is a question and answer site for spacecraft operators, scientists, engineers, and enthusiasts.

TildalWave

@tylerl Yes, but so far mostly answering. We do have some researchers that do ask questions and a healthy dose of engineers from the industry that both ask and answer questions. But as usual, those questions don't receive as much attention from our regular Joe... rep train questions still seem to be more "let me clear that ignorance off you" ones

tylerl

05:50

Is there even one user who doesn't belong to the "enthusiast" category?

cause you can count all the spacecraft operators in the world on your fingers.

ManishEarth

@TildalWave that's olin for you.

TildalWave

@tylerl Yes, definitely.

@tylerl well not really, think of all the cubesats for example... space is getting a lot cheaper to reach for useful purposes these days

ManishEarth

@tylerl Don McLean has a Space related job

TildalWave

nothing wrong with providing a bit more insight for the curious ones either IMO

ManishEarth

There alre also lots of astro(nomer|physicist)s there. c2v, astromax, MBR, etc

TildalWave

05:53

@ManishEarth Mark Adler, Tristan, Paerson (?) ...

ManishEarth

@TildalWave right, them too

TildalWave

and UV-D

and a few medical professionals, apparently some structural engineers and materials scientists

Also worth noting that the curious types mostly come and go but we're not that bad at retaining actual researchers, people from the industry, and so on. I'm certainly not complaining about that. It's also terribly difficult to ask of these people to ask more questions (for various reasons)

@tylerl We lost your interest? :)

@ManishEarth Erik works in the industry? He knows loads about orbital dynamics and physics in general

yup he worked for NASA, NOAA etc.

AlanSE should also be into something related

Gwenn too

Well... we do have quite some for a young site IMO, not too bad

tylerl

06:21

@TildalWave i'm away from my desk at times

TildalWave

@tylerl well thank God for that :) a bit too early here, not even the dog wants to go out yet ...

tylerl

@TildalWave 11:22pm

it's not technically "early" yet for another 40 minutes

TildalWave

So since I mentioned it there at EE as a distraction, I'm still curious ... what happened with Barnaby Jack then? Any updates on that?

tylerl

06:59

@TildalWave what do you mean?

as in why did he die?

TildalWave

@tylerl Yup... IIRC there should be autopsy report publicly available some time now?

tylerl

never heard anything like that

My cable company's YouTube cache/cdn point it utter crap.

So I tunnel all my HTTP traffic over SSH to one of any number of servers I own

problem solved

Also, interestingly: SSH tunnel = extremely fast; PPTP tunnel = horiffically slow

must be the TCP-over-TCP thing that makes network engineers steam

Lucas Kauffman

07:22

morning

Stephane

07:59

morning

Rory McCune

08:45

morning

Ruban Savvy

Noon :)

Stephane

@RubanSavvy Don't get ahead of yourself, we'll get there

Rory McCune

@RubanSavvy russia?

TildalWave

09:06

Oh bloody hell now they're discussing what color Santa is. WhyTF does it matter? allvoices.com/contributed-news/…

Rory Alsop

exactly - obviously browns and greens!

and Good Morning

@Tildal - have you put the space ads on our meta post?

TildalWave

09:40

@RoryAlsop No, the sites have barely anything in common

AviD

@ScottPack neither does your face.

sorry for the delayed response!

@ScottPack I also catch the kids flus once in a while, and every few years I develop one of those really strange / rare diseases.

though I had mono almost exactly 10 years ago. This week, I discover I have CMV. #FML

Ruban Savvy

India

TildalWave

@RoryAlsop Ah yes, good morning! I'm up for so long I forgot all about it :)

kalina

09:57

Zzzzz

At least it is Friday

Stephane

@kalina Bah... company night tonight. Gonna end up drunk out of boredome once more

Rory Alsop

@Ruban - does that mean 'hello from India?' Or possibly 'hello India?'

TildalWave

10:25

@RoryAlsop I believe it's just providing an answer to @RoryMcCune's question ;) You're on your iPad again aren't you? :D

Ruban Savvy

:P lol @RoryAlsop

TildalWave

10:41

Right kids, work done for this week... weekend awaits :P

for y'all techies around:

►

Rory Alsop

11:10

Yes. Blooming iPad. Sucks so much.

AviD

11:24

oh, that makes me sad. @RoryAlsop remember @GrahamLee? Seems his user is no more. :-(

Is this even a question?

2

Q: How Tor, Privoxy, Vidalia and Polipo are getting together?

I realized that these applications are frequently used together. What is the role of each software in the mission of anonymity and privacy on the web? While I understand Vidalia is a GUI provider, I couldn't figure out why Tor needs Privoxy. Isn't it such a proxy provider by itself?

linux privacy anonymity tor

kalina

I'm going to a fancy dress birthday party tomorrow

The dress code is pimps and hos

AviD

do you have a fancy dress?

kalina

Yes

AviD

@kalina and how old is the fancy dress? why are they doing a party for it?

CodesInChaos

@AviD wasn't he pretty active? What happened?

kalina

11:35

A friend is turning 30

AviD

@CodesInChaos no clue. happened upon one of his old answers, and noticed the user is swapped to one of those anonymous "user22987492837927" usernames....

TildalWave

12:02

@AviD Really? That's him with "please delete me"? security.stackexchange.com/users/2213

AviD

no, thats not him.... he already was deleted.

TildalWave

Ninefingers / Anthony?

AviD

@TildalWave Graham.

TildalWave

@AviD No I mean that new "please delete me" off the top of the list ... I miss AntonyVennard a.k.a. ninefinger on the list

AviD

@TildalWave that him???

TildalWave

12:09

looks like it :(

AviD

@Antony what the hell, maaan? Say it aint so!

TildalWave

dunno... Graham Lee is active on Twitter

TildalWave

12:21

but yup that's Antony that's leaving us

:(

now I feel like double crap

CodesInChaos

12:39

No idea what drives so many people to account suicide

I simply become inactive when I lose interest

TildalWave

I've seen some do that exactly because they can't keep away from something

CodesInChaos

Embrace your addiction

Simon

12:54

Said no one ever except junkies.

AviD

@Simon Fine bunch of upstanding citizens, that lot.

But you really have to admire somebody who is willing to stick to what they believe in, even if it is dangerous.

They're not quitters.

Simon

Addiction != "what you believe in"

imo

CodesInChaos

Come on, you're all SE junkies

@kalina is even an undead SE junkie

kalina

hm?

right

Simon

AM ALIVE

Did I just quote Celine Dion?

Fuck.

kalina

13:07

I regret deleting my account, the combined states between the two would make me one of the most legendary reviewers in the history of Arqade by this point

Simon

Google just confirmed that I did.

kalina

also I'm still missing a bunch of rep due to the deletion

I obviously blame @Simon for all of this

Simon

Ugh, what did I do again?

CodesInChaos

be alive

Simon

Oh, fair enough.

Great, I have a bunch of lame songs stuck in my head this morning.

CodesInChaos

13:16

Easy way to avoid that: never listen to lame songs

AviD

@CodesInChaos This is @Simon we're talking about here.

Simon

@CodesInChaos Tell me you've never heard Spongebob's theme song.

So I can call you a liar.

CodesInChaos

I don't remember ever hearing it

Simon

LIAR

CodesInChaos

so I'm either good at forgetting, or I actually didn't

Simon

13:17

Or you're like 70.

CodesInChaos

I just don't watch TV

AviD

@Simon "good at forgetting"

Simon

@CodesInChaos You were already working on your own crypto when you were 8, right?

@AviD I know even you heard the theme song.

CodesInChaos

I don't think spongebob ran in German TV when I was a child, at least not on the channels I watched

but even back then I rarely watched TV

Simon

Of course Computer Science channels wouldn't have Spongebob.

CodesInChaos

13:24

didn't get into programming until I was twelve or so

preferred lego and books over TV as child

Simon

Windows is the worst piece of shit ever.

I postpone the damn update for 4 hours and it asks me again 5 minutes later.

AviD

@Simon Are you sure about that?

Simon

I'm so not clicking that.

CodesInChaos

13:49

@Simon coward

Simon

@CodesInChaos Coward or sane?

Adnan

@AviD Oh no! Not that one!

Adnan

14:29

@AviD @TildalWave Yup, indeed. It's Antony

Scott Pack

Woah, what's this? Anthony is running away? :(

Adnan

@ScottPack Appears so. I wonder why.

Simon

oi

Scott Pack

Good query.

Adnan

14:57

Holy shiiiit! I've just found a Twitter search engine that is capable of finding tweets written in specific Arabic dialects. detectdialect.com

It's frighteningly accurate.

This makes me wonder what the intelligence agencies are capable of extracting from our text, voice, and video communications using scripts/bots.

Simon

@Adnan I strongly believe that they're able to figure out the size of our penis from what we post here.

Adnan

@Simon I didn't know that we had a collective penis here in the DMZ.

Simon

@Adnan Dude, you've been here longer than me and they still haven't told you? I feel sorry for you.

Adnan

15:17

This is the most incredible I've seen in the past couple of months accent.gmu.edu/browse_language.php

The same paragraph, recited by people living in different locations, with different languages as their native tongue.

Fascinating!

Simon

15:29

@ScottPack is fascinating.

Scott Pack

Yup.

Adnan

Woooohooo!! Ensiferum gig tonight. Suck it, LOSERS!! /cc: @Poly

CodesInChaos

15:46

@ScottPack Why no chaos communication congress on your calendar?

kalina

16:08

Bored

Simon

not me

I can't even remember when was the last time that I was bored.

Lucas Kauffman

16:26

5

Simon

lololol

David Freitag

@Adnan So jealous...

Simon

Me too.

David Freitag

@Simon I thought you didn't like that kind of music

Simon

LE SARCASM-

David Freitag

16:36

Dude, chapstick with menthol in it.... it's amazing.

tylerl

16:49

@kalina learn python

Simon

@tylerl I don't remember her saying that she was a nurd.

@ScottPack 7

tylerl

@Simon it's about making more money, silly

Simon

@tylerl So, you're telling me that if I actually learn Python, I will get a better salary?

tylerl

@Simon or a better job

Simon

Interesting.

tylerl

16:52

you might also want to throw ruby in there. And Javascript

Iszi

@Simon No, he was telling @kalina that if she learns Python she will get a better salary. You're different.

tylerl

@Iszi true.

Simon

@Iszi Yo, if you wanna fight we can do this NOW.

I'm obviously talking about a dance battle, show me your moves.

Iszi

@Simon Right. "Dance battle" == "fight"? Now who's the nurd?

Simon

@Iszi Nerds dance?

tylerl

16:54

@Simon nerds "dance battle"

also, you got served

Simon

Can someone make this thing fair and join my side?

I feel like I'm getting sandwiched by dirty old men.

Iszi

►

Simon

@Iszi LOL

If he can dance, that means nurdz can dance.

@DavidFreitag Are you in a tranceish mood?

David Freitag

@Simon I'm not sure, lay it on me.

Simon

►

It's considered as Progressive House, actually.

David Freitag

17:03

@Simon mmmmmmmm yes, i could listen to this all day, in fact.

Simon

@DavidFreitag Damn right, very melodic.

David Freitag

17:46

@Simon Have you heard Wasted Pengiunz' new album?

Simon

@DavidFreitag No I should listen to it.

David Freitag

@Simon It's quite good, at least, so far.

Adnan

@DavidFreitag Well, actually, the gig will be for Ensiferum and Turisas :D

David Freitag

@Adnan =O

Adnan

@DavidFreitag facebook.com/events/209414409220437

David Freitag

17:49

I'm so jelly right now.

Adnan

@DavidFreitag The ticket was 18.5 euros, though.

David Freitag

@Adnan That's.... it....

Adnan

@DavidFreitag 25 USD :D

hehehehe

David Freitag

@Adnan Dude, that's nothing.

Adnan

@DavidFreitag I know!

David Freitag

17:51

Here, good concerts and shows are in the neighborhood of a few hundred.

@Adnan it's tonight too, which doesn't even leave time for me to book a last-minute flight over there. :\

Adnan

@DavidFreitag Yup, it's after 1 hour. I'm starting to get ready.

Off to sauna ->

Later, everybody.

David Freitag

@Adnan :[

Simon

18:09

@DavidFreitag Let's play the temperature game! How cold today?

David Freitag

@Simon -5ºC

Simon

Woohoo I win!

-13 qq

David Freitag

It's also still windy as fuck, so it feels much colder

Simon

Wind sucks so much.

I know it blows but it still sucks.

David Freitag

►

Simon

18:16

Listenin'

David Freitag

It goes to shit at about 1 minute, but then picks itself back up.

Simon

Oh yeah I heard a preview. Gonna listen anywayz of course.

I really wonder what these dudes have gone through to make melodies like this.

I refuse to believe they're just talented, there has to be something feeding their inspiration.

David Freitag

I refuse to waste time thinking about pointless things like that.

Simon

How is that pointless?!? It's great to know their background.

What a fucking idiot: workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/17373/…

David Freitag

> Bring it to demonstrate you wasted $1500

Simon

18:30

lulz

David Freitag

I got my glass invite a while back and i was like SHVEET, gonna get me a... wait, how many 0's?

Simon

You get invited and you gotta pay, how great.

David Freitag

Well it is still technically a Beta device

Simon

20:04

Am I the only one who believes this is a completely pointless edit? security.stackexchange.com/posts/25585/revisions

Iszi

@Simon I think the edit turns it into a bit of a pointless question - they've apparently decided to fire the guy already, so he really doesn't need our input so much anymore.

Simon

@Iszi You're right.

Also, what's next? If he gets a new job, he will re-edit for "A previous employee at my previous job..." ?

tylerl

@Simon I would suggest editing it to remove the relationship entirely. "An associate of mine, let's call him Dave..."

Simon

I bet he would be super mad and re-edit it.

MOURNING @AbeMiessler

Abe Miessler

BAM!

miss me?

also - mourning

Simon

20:16

ofc

Abe Miessler

we got snow in cali

thought of you

Simon

Nice!

Was it chaos?

tylerl

@Simon There you go. You happy?

security.stackexchange.com/posts/25585/revisions

Simon

@tylerl Thumbs up!

You screwed the coding part though, no?

tylerl

did i?

fix it if i did

afk

Simon

20:27

But it won't be automatic!

i no has 3k rep

Rory Alsop

22:14

evening. To those parents here - anyone want to volunteer as pro tem mod over on Parenting.SE?

5

Q: Thank you, Torben and cabbey!

It's with a bit of a heavy heart that I must inform you that two exemplary Parenting SE moderators will be stepping down shortly: I've worked with them not only as an employee of Stack Exchange, but also as a long-term Stack Exchange moderator myself. Torben and cabbey stepped up to help ...

discussion featured moderation

of course you don't need to be a parent to moderate

but it may be useful

Simon

Imagine how great my advice would be there.

Rory Alsop

@Simon erm....yeah :-)

Simon

22:49

I sense some ambiguity.

David Freitag

@RoryAlsop You never know, the point of view from the small child may contain some important information.

Rory McCune

Hey @avid you got snow then?

Simon

@DavidFreitag cues I'm Just A Kid by Simple Plan

David Freitag

Simon

The noise scared the shit out of me for no damn reason.

Abe Miessler

22:58

@Simon - yes. Snow in california is always Chaos

Simon

@AbeMiessler That must be funny.

Abe Miessler

I bought my neighborhood bum a tall boy. I think it saved his life

Simon

A tall boy?!?

Abe Miessler

a 24oz beer

not an actual child

Simon

Oh lawl.

Abe Miessler

22:59

do you guys not call them that in Canada?

Simon

I don't think so, at least not here.

Abe Miessler

You haven't lived

Simon

FML

Abe Miessler

totally

Simon

RUNNING AROUND DA CHRISTMAS TREE

I totally fucked the lyrics.

David Freitag

23:02

I just boiled a whole pack of hotdogs in a Fosters can. Best dinner ever.

Simon

pls gieb dinner

I'm still at wurk.

David Freitag

Still?

Simon

wot

I came in at 7:30

So yes, le still.

David Freitag

Oh, and i got hot chocolate too, which means i get irish hot chocolate with my peppermint schnapps too. How delightful!

@Simon How the hell many hours do you work a day? 12?

Simon

@DavidFreitag Usually 7.5 but I'm getting crazy these days.

David Freitag

23:06

@Simon What, do you get like a two hour lunch break? 7.5 hours was two and a half hours ago.

@Simon What time do you normally get to work?

Simon

Nonono, 30 mins of lunch. Like I said, I'm getting le crazy.

8

David Freitag

You made it sound like 7:30 was late for you.

Simon

Oh, nah.

I get ~6h of sleep a night so I'd die if I'd come in earlier.

On weekends I sleep like 82374234234238974324 hours a night.

David Freitag

@Simon I passed out at 3 this morning and got to work at 7:30

Simon

@DavidFreitag bt;dt but that sucks when you have a long shift ahead.

David Freitag

23:09

@Simon I worked 9 hours

Simon

@DavidFreitag u kr4zy

@AbeMiessler How many hours does your dog work a day?

Rory Alsop

@Simon wasn't the one you mean, "Stupid Kid" by Alklaline Trio?

Simon

I don't think so, sir. QQ.

Rory Alsop

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Abe Miessler

@Simon - 23

Simon

23:20

@AbeMiessler Minus 23?

Abe Miessler

That's not what I meant, but I'm into it.

Simon

Nice.

Sick dog.

Abe Miessler

@Simon, @RoryAlsop why are we talking about alkaline trio?

Hella sick

Simon

We're talking about them because @RoryA subtly called me stupid through them.

Abe Miessler

I like it

Simon

23:45

Me too.

Simon

23:55

le brain says l'home time so...

L'HOME TIME

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