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13:01
@Ethan As @tylerl said it's a big pile of maybe. Generally speaking I would not consider an employee of a public university a "public servant", although speaking as an employee of a public university I do consider myself a public or state employee.
@Ethan Normally public or civil servants are employed by a municipality of some kind, village/city/town/county, or by the state itself.
@ScottPack Scottpack for president
You're awfully chipper.
The only person who dares to break the Adnan-boner embargo is @Scott
I'm with @Lucas; @Scott for president
What on earth are you people talking about.
Maybe you can help with the Israeli-Palestinian situation.
13:13
Oh, I see. You said you were sexually aroused.
@Adnan I got lots of suggestions. They're just guaranteed to piss off both sides of the situation. Which frankly means they're probably pretty not bad ideas.
@ScottPack As long as they piss off both sides proportionally, then they're great ideas.
Can we get rid of edit notifications on mention-messages?
It's generally been my view that when you have two intractable sides in a discussion the right solution is almost always the one that pisses them both off.
@Adnan La
Nie
Shit. Well, that was probably enough.
@ScottPack Emme
Which language is that?
@ScottPack Finnish
13:17
Ah
This list says Finnish is 'Ei'
SO WHICH IS IT?!?
There are approximately 7,000 different ways of saying every word in Finnish @ScottPack
@ScottPack Well, it should be "ei", but because the question is "can we?" the answer is "No we can't". The negative part in that sentence is "emme"
I also find it interesting that Arabic is listed as 'La' and Hebrew is 'Lo'
@Adnan Ah, I see.
So it would be grammatically incorrect to simply say "No" to that in Finnish?
Or is it simply more polite?
@ScottPack As far as I know, nobody will care. Everybody will understand it and nobody will think it's impolite, but the other way is "more correct".
@ScottPack A more correct version in Arabic is "Kalla"
Not Kali?
13:21
@ScottPack If you replace the K with the kh sound in Arabic, that would mean "my uncle"
Also, the same word would mean "empty"
Would that be a gutteral 'k' as in the Scottish 'ach' or like the English 'ch' as in 'children'?
alveolar trill
@ScottPack Still don't see the speaker button?
@deed02392 +1
you know Arabic @Adnan?
@deed02392 Yes
Or, na3am
13:28
nice
I know one word I think
chukran
@deed02392 By using "ch" in the beginning, I'd think you're saying "Tshukran", which is incorrect. The correct pronunciation is "Shukran" :)
@ScottPack I bet you're in Firefox. That damn browser doesnt support any of the cool stuff.
ahh I was close, 'ch' makes the 'sh' sound in my head
@Adnan Durka durka mohamed jihad?
13:31
@AviD You know what Firefox does support? Using less than 10GB of ram. Chrome never did.
@AviD It also supports tab rows.
@Adnan but make sure you dont mispronounce that as "shakran", especially to an Israeli Arab.
(that means "liar").
noted @AviD
I think my surname means something like Rememberer in Arabic
@ScottPack really? that is exactly counter to everyone else's experience.
@Adnan Your email address makes no sense to me.
@AviD Chrome would typically use 8-10GB of RAM for me. So I switched to firefox and dropped it by at least half.
@AviD Chrome has serious issues scaling up with more tabs.
13:33
Nov 4 at 11:49, by deed02392
George THE REMEMBERER
Firefox is slower and has the problem of running all within a single process, but at least I didn't have to shut down tabs in order to launch a VM
Plus I like tab groups
@deed02392 that actually happened once to my father... he was trying to impress one of his employees, instead.... he was very upset. "Why?? What did I do??? I"M SORRRY!!!!!!"
And multi-row tabs.
lmao @Adnan how did you find that
@AviD He should have pulled the ole eminent domain card.
13:34
Firefox is usually more resource-hungry than Chrome for my usage but I open very little tabs.
@AviD Whoa! That's a close one
hehehe
Chrome turns into a huge memory hog if I spam tabs.
haha aww your poor dad @AviD
that is always the risk of learning languages to impress
@AviD That word better serves the community as a whole by using my definition which is "X". You'll receive a fair market value in exchange for your definition change.
13:35
and is the reason I'm always shy about using languages I know abroad even if I'm certain I won't make a mistake
yeah, he has a hard enough time with hebrew, yet he keeps trying to speak in Arabaic too.
I wonder how many tabs I have open right now
@deed02392 Using the search function
or maybe that's more because even if it won't be mispronounced it will still sound strange and I'll get laughed at
@ScottPack huh wat?
13:36
@AviD Seriously.
@ScottPack I dont know what you said.
@ScottPack I often have 50 or so by the end of a session but I try to make a point of closing them before I close the browser
@TerryChia It looks like Firefox is taking up about 3GB of ram right now for me.
makes you wonder how we survived back when every page was in a different window!
@deed02392 plugins.
13:37
stop press
it's leet o'clock
carry on
Looks like I'm at an even 100 tabs right now.
Spread between 4 windows, one of which is split into 3 tab groups
this is FF @ScottPack?
@ScottPack I have a grand total of 7 tabs open.
what's the behaviour of remembering tabs when you close it down?
They automagically open.
13:39
one very stupid failure of Chrome is it only remembers the tabs of the last window you closed
@deed02392 Not if you force quit the application!
so if you close your main window with all your tabs you want to save, then realise there's another window with a single page in it or something, if you close that it only remembers that single page
oh, what happens when you resume from that then @ScottPack? opens up the windows too?
When I was using Chrome on Linux my shut down workflow was to do a pstree to get the parentmost PID and kill -9 the shit out of it.
On OSX I used Force Quit
@deed02392 Yup, it generally recovers everything.
loool
hot
Man, my desktop is serious overkill for the things I usually do...
Sitting at 23% memory usage out of my 16GB and my CPU is around 10% usage for each of the 8 cores.
13:41
I was using multiple Chrome windows to simulate the Firefox Tab Group feature.
@TerryChia What do you usually do?
@Adnan Code, movies, web surfing.
Music.
@TerryChia I'm currently using 6875MB of my 16GB and my CPU is fluttering between 8 and 30. The spikes are all due to Firefox. Somewhere.
@TerryChia even mine is somewhat overkill and I've only got 4 GB, Intel Q6600
I could do with a bit more RAM for VMs but that's all
I think I'm going to just try and build a very quiet, low power system next... mind you, GTA V is coming out soon
@deed02392 4GB RAM is a little too tight for my taste.
My CPU is definitely overkill though, i7-3770.
13:43
I really haven't noticed any thrashing most of the time though @TerryChia
I have a system SSD but an HDD for paging
@TerryChia porn, porn, porn.
@AviD He categorized that under "movies"
that's the 'load spikes' for @ScottPack
@Adnan and under "websurfing".
porn video after porn video autoloading
13:44
@deed02392 Still, RAM is (still) rather cheap. I'd get 12GB minimum for any desktop I build.
I put 16 GB in my fileserver because it was so cheap
then it went up by about 30-40% in value
fortunately the 16 gig I ordered were faulty, so I returned them and sold the replacement :D
@deed02392 It has doubled compared to when I built my current system. :(
made about £30
yeah, so it's still not quite as cheap as it was for that moment I bought for my fileserver
but I can't see my needing more than 8 GB even for gaming
@TerryChia Very well quoted, @TerryChia.
and doesn't 12 gig only make sense for triple channel/
13:46
@deed02392 Yeah, triple channel.
thought that was fairly bad value @TerryChia
considering cost increases it puts on the board and CPU requirements
That shit still exists?
I want to get a Q series Intel chipset next
onboard KVMoIP? yes please
@deed02392 I thought all the Core series Intel chips and the respective mobos support triple channel? Might be wrong here though.
Don't think so, when I looked it was only the premium/gaming mobos
13:47
Yay! @Simon is here
@Adnan Yeah, it took me 40 mins more than usual to get to work because of the shitty weather -.-
Anyone got an advice for me here ux.stackexchange.com/questions/48480/…
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Q: Offering a black/whitelist tab?

deed02392I am working on a project (browser extension) which will implement either black or whitelisting depending on the users choice. However I want to contain the GUI elements that control this/these list/s under a tab. So am I at a loss of what to name this tab, since it could be providing the inter...

@Simon Oh, really? Was it -5C again?
woah, minus 1?
@Adnan Lulz. First snowstorm of the season which means everyone's retarded.
13:50
@deed02392 Oh, somebody with downvote rights on UX.SE must have downvoted you.
Now who would that be?
was that you @Adnan
@deed02392 Yeah, I was just messing with you. Reverted.
It was me. Shitty question m8.
Oops.
lol
srsly I am stuck with this
what word should be used for the tab which lets you configure when the extension will run...
donuts
Honestly, I have no idea.
13:52
@deed02392 At which point does the user decide the mode? (bl/wl)
within the tab @Adnan
@Simon Story of your life.
@TerryChia You wanna wrestle?
@Simon No thanks, I won't stoop to your levels. ;)
@deed02392 I'd go with "Contact list", "Access list", etc. Inside that tab, there would be a toggle button (either to the left or to right), or two radio buttons (allow these addresses/disallow these addresses) effectively being blacklist/whitelist
13:56
that's the idea I've got for toggling the mode, some kind of slider or whatever (probably something included with jquery-ui)
Access list could be a little ambiguous as this is a GPG plugin (webpg)
what about Service List or Usage List
problem is white/blacklist is still clearer even if it looks terrible
@Simon I just watched, LOL is all I'll say.
@RoryMcCune :D
14:12
the song will be in my head forever more
@deed02392 well to get rid of it, how's a bout a 7ft clown doing a cover of royals?
wtf
lol
has any company ever considered speech synthesis by the emulation of actual human anatomy?
> I'm developing own protocol for secure message exchanging.
LOL @TerryChia
lovely @RoryMcCune
I take it I'm the only one
14:21
@deed02392 good innit, I got hooked from that one and listened to quite a few of their other ones..
@Adnan well I don't want to say that @TerryChia is trying to exclude you from the conversation but .....
@Adnan It's the NO rage face.
The CDN is probably blocked where ever you are.
You're a CDN.
@TerryChia Interesting. I clicked the link, it opened normally. The image is just not displayed embedded.
@deed02392 Please refrain from mocking posters especially when they clearly have a well-written question.
I didn't want to say 'lol', the minimum comment length forced me
@deed02392 But you did. That's what matters.
14:30
lololololol
hello again, folks
oi
I didn't think writing a test case for an ACL system was going to be so complex
@Stephane Ha! one never does.
if user is Admin:
oh fuck this, who cares?
14:44
@TerryChia lol
Unfortunately, that's not quite enought when writing a workflow system. For some reasons, management type do understand (or at least, wants) security in that context
And I have more test code than ACL validation code now...
oo, ACL on workflows are even more complicated.
@AviD No kidding
Basically, if you dont have experience with workflows, or you dont have experience with ACLs, definitely don't try implementing workflows with ACLs.
@AviD Oh, I do have quite a bit of experience: I started writing simple ACL systems 20 years ago. It just gets more complex every time.
(and every time, I find new ways to do old tricks -> new tests)
@Stephane ah, but do you ALSO have experience writing workflow systems?
14:49
Only simple ones
If so, then feel encouraged to attempt building a workflow+ACL system... ;-)
But I don't need a complex one in this case
@AviD That'll be my second one
But, as my boss said when the project started: "It can't be that complex: a couple of tables and you're good"
hahaha
luv that line
(I'm up to 12 tables just for the ACLs, groups and users)
i luv u
14:53
@Simon That's sad.
@TerryChia Gotta get sum luv somehow.
Ooh, a band I didn't know: Satariel
Thank you, spotify :)
Sounds like Satan.
Nah, more like Amorphis ;)
anyone here done KVM with the Intel Q77?
14:58
nurd
@deed02392 How's the bitcoin miner going?
mined 0.4 BTC so far
15 days
Which is ~?
And how much did you pay?
15:00
Congrats buddy.
You're definitely gonna profit at some point.
yeah, looks like I'll make money
close though
it's only because the value has gone up
Ah.
is it cheaper than the elecrticity you need to keep it runing ?
Yeah it's a bit of a gamble.
@Stephane parents are paying that
it's 13V 14A
15:01
@deed02392 Ahhh
I've switched to primarily using my laptop instead of my desktop to make up for it haha
I personally think bitcoin will make $2000
Each BTC?
That'd be insane. So, does that mean that you're not gonna sell immediately?
indeed
I'm going to keep hold of them till then
15:04
One hell of a gamble.
I have faith! I believe in the principles, it's still fairly early on but it's gradually getting recognised as a viable currency
it's getting interest from personal investors
Yes but keep in mind that there are people trying to break the algorithm.
next stop would be wall street. if they start investing it will go up dramatically
You're part of a pool or mining alone ?
pool @Stephane. no chance doing it alone with 30 GH/s
15:06
I'd say a pool if he has 0.4 BTC.
Right
(If I understand the principle of bitcoin mining)
it's based on already tried and tested algorithms
but the protocol can evolve if necessary
@deed02392 Oh absolutely but you should know that nothing's future proof in CS.
indeed, hopefully it doesn't get broken in my life time
15:12
Let's hope so.
Poor Green Fly.
He's always into weird situations.
@Stephane Same train of thought. :P
@TerryChia Yup. You solution to overcome the minimum comment size rule was more direct, though :P
He edited it.
That's a pretty shitty keylogger to show up in the applications list though.
Very.
15:21
@Simon Easier now, "Close as dupe"
Yep, "nuke it".
@Simon Especially this spying wife thing. Damn.
I'm writing him an answer
@Adnan Very likely another rep train.
@TerryChia Really? -.-
@Simon It has all the signs.
Stupid question, obvious answer, @Adnan answering it.
15:25
lololol
@TerryChia Well, I just wanted to add my take on it
Thaaa hell?! 2 upvotes for the questions and 0 me :(
@Adnan -1 for you :P
@TerryChia Well, at least it's something
@Adnan :)
Oho! He's here!
Hey @GreenFly
15:32
Aw, @Adnan always manages to write great answers.
Hello @Adnan
@GreenFly Are you planning your revenge?
@Simon Write an answer there and let's ride that train together!
@TerryChia You also, write an answer and let's fly, baby!
@Adnan I wanted to write exactly what you wrote but shorter and without the research of the keylogger.
So obviously, your answer is better.
@Simon I do not think so. I do not like paying such games.
15:33
@GreenFly What're you gonna do then?
@Simon Oh, come on, man! Write your personal take on it. Maybe add some more links and/or some bold text.
You can't just act like if nothing happened though.
Damned, language played a trick to me: I understood "spouse" as "wife"...
@Stephane Isn't it what it is? ô_ô
@Adnan What else is there? 1) It's obviously not a sophisticated attack. 2) Unless the spouse has some hidden infosec background there probably isn't any other hidden rootkits. 3) It's really a personal problem, not a technical one.
15:35
@Simon Spouse could also mean husband depending on context.
You covered it all.
@ScottPack To be fair, I'm pretty sure @GreenFly is a dude.
Well, I'm definitely not an expert but I think it can be wife or husband: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spouse
@Simon So?
Hence why I associated to wife, I guess.
15:35
@Simon I am still considering my options
@ScottPack Yo, you wanna wrestle too?
She is not my wife but we live together for many years.
@Simon Not really.
I think this is called spouse too
@GreenFly Oh.
So, you're not officially together and she spies on you?
15:37
Definitely only if your municipality supports common-law marriages, most of which don't.
@GreenFly Not sure it matters in the context of your question
@Stephane but you people asked about it
Spouse is specifically the gender neutral form of a martial partner.
Actually it was you @Stephane who first brought the subject
15:38
@GreenFly Guilty as charged
I will now leave for my breakfast.
Thank you everybody
Good luck.
@GreenFly See ya!
I'm trying to find if he said on the chat where he lived
15:42
Hm... there are interesting questions in his history...
I sense a disturbance in the force
@Stephane I can only see 2 other questions
Me too
@Stephane Actually, I only find the "somebody bumped into me" question interesting
The other one not so much
I find all three pretty strange, actually. Some people seems to be magnet for trouble
Damn it! I'm pretty sure that at some point, in the chat, he said where he lived.
Yup, looks like I won't be finding it.
16:03
Hurray! All my ACL test cases works and I have 100% code coverage on that part! Now the question: are they exhaustive ?
16:24
Sometimes, I realize that I'm dancing to the music I'm listening to. At work.
Better than singing along to it
i'm always dancing to it
and usually singing when i make me tea
@AbeMiessler Hello, kind sir.
Mourning
Mourning.
16:26
mawning
Were you able to get your drift on last night?
or did the snow not cooperate
@AbeMiessler @Simon You're a depression lot
Ya for maybe an hour until our spot was ruined by ice. Got a private class with my mate.
He's been drifting these cars for a few years.
Pipe down @CodesInChaos
you love it
@Simon, sounds awesome
@AbeMiessler Ya. I love AWD big time, it's gonna be a great winter.
16:29
Does stack exchange have some wiki-like thing that answers broader questions in detail. Kind of like wiki but not at the same time. I mean there are some questions on the site that have really good answer and I'd like to see these answers expanded (for lack of a better term) to answer more questions than just the one.
On the stack exchange sites there are a lot of questions that are really similar except for one key difference which makes the answer to the them slightly different yet different enough that they aren't the same question. Merging some of these into one big question without going overboard on the information would be nice.
@Griffin Mods can convert questions into Community Wiki.
That and having a kind links to related information.
@TerryChia Yes but a merger of questions.
You can community wiki your own answers when answering a question.
@Griffin Mod-only powers I'm afraid.
@TerryChia Yea but the mods can't / should have to go through all the questions to find ones that relate. Maybe a way of relating questions without the punishment of a duplicate question and further merger. Flagging system for question mergers maybe.
Idk it'd just be cool to see. With a lot of the answers I use on the site I wish there was more links and stuff where I can learn further. And when I say further info I mean like say you're doing something on Linux and you use an command specific to MBR. Having the GPT alternative for the same problem come up as related (maybe call it linked) would be nice. Also videos explaining how to solve things are always awesome.
@Griffin Adding same site links in comments/answers/questions will have the question show up on the side.
Beyond that... I think you can suggest it on mSO but I doubt it will be very popular.
16:38
@TerryChia :/ I doubt it too. It's a hard concept to explain and while SE seems more open then most people are still resistant to change. Especially change they don't understand.
16:52
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Q: Can't get apache running on server with nginx

user850237I've been kind of thrown into the roll of sys admin at my office and don't really know what I'm doing. I'm running Ubuntu 12.04. The server for our website is currently running nginx. The site keeps crashing because lots and lots of php-fpm processes keep starting, which is bringing down everyth...

first sentence
Jelly roll?
and that ladies and gentlemen is why businesses are losing so much money
17:17
OH
CANA
DUH
LANDS OF THE POLAR BEARS AND IGLOOS
YO TIM HORNTON'S ARE KEEPING THE UNEMPLOYED BUSY
No idea why they didn't ask me to write the anthem.
Who?
A German.
Me?
You aren't the only German on earth.
Why?
17:20
Because that's how it works.
Animes, really?
LE REALLY?
Parodies, yes

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