The DMZ

Simon

00:05

He's awesome so I don't understand.

Abe Miessler

yes you do

Simon

Don't make me talk about your dog.

BAHAHAHA THERE'S SNOW IN THE STREETS

Yup, I'm gonna be drifting ton8.

Abe Miessler

my dog drifts

Simon

And then my m8 tells me there's not enough.

QQ

He drifts? Awesome dog.

Abe Miessler

no shit

Simon

00:15

Yo, you wanna play that game with me?

It won't be pretty, bro.

Abe Miessler

no

not interested

Simon

Don't make me drive to you.

Abe Miessler

It would be the best thing you ever did. California is awesome

Simon

It probably would take me what, a mere 36 hours?

To Google maps!

42.

Abe Miessler

41 hours to where I live

Simon

00:29

NB

Abe Miessler

if you drive like a girl

which I assume you do

I could do it in 36

Simon

Funny.

Abe Miessler

A day and a half for the rest of your life. Think about it choader boy

Simon

I have responsibilities here right now.

I wonder how badly people would "wtf" if they'd see my Québec license plate.

Abe Miessler

with all those french numbers and shit

they would freak

WTF is "le 3"?!

Simon

00:32

Yeah man French numbers are freaky.

Exactly.

David Freitag

Simon

^_^

I can't wait until I receive my new speakers.

My poor parents, they didn't have to endure a subwoofer at least.

Abe Miessler

Poor @Simon. Some young kid starving for attention. Needs to bump wherever he goes to get people to look at him.

Simon

It's for my room you donut.

Abe Miessler

even worse

Simon

00:40

DON'T MAKE ME KIDNAP YOUR DOG.

David Freitag

Well, that escalated quickly.

Simon

He started it.

I'm a 13 years old boy, I retaliate.

Simon

01:07

I scared him off.

Simon

01:27

I SCARED EVERYONE OFF.

Like if it surprises me.

D3C4FF

01:56

Anyone heard of this before? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cicada_3301

D3C4FF

03:01

@copy @paste @copy @paste @copy @paste @copy @paste @copy @paste @copy @paste @copy @paste @copy @paste @copy @paste @copy @paste @copy @paste @copy @paste @copy @paste @copy @paste @copy @paste @copy @paste @copy @paste

Suuuup

copy

Oh hello there

D3C4FF

Howsit?

copy

Pretty good

Busy, but good

D3C4FF

Whatcha busy with?

copy

Mostly homeworks, one hackit

But it's itsec, so it's cool

D3C4FF

03:09

Uni stuff i presume?

copy

Yup

The previous semester had a lot of math and electrical engineering but now I finally get all the cool stuff

How's the sun?

D3C4FF

03:29

Maximum of 25 today. Not to shabby

copy

Hrm

I want summer :(

paste

@D3C4FF Hi :)

tylerl

04:17

@D3C4FF whoever decided to start it also decided to recruit on /b/ - clearly not seeking out the world's best and brightest

D3C4FF

04:45

@tylerl Heh, they clearly should have started on the DMZ..

@copy Come to Australia! We'll let you evaporate in the sun!

Although it sounds like mexico has hotter temperatures sometimes! :O

@paste Hiii

tylerl

@D3C4FF or the my little pony forums. Anywhere but 4chan

D3C4FF

@tylerl Yeah... Couldn't really get much worse...

paste

05:01

@D3C4FF He went to sleep. :(

tylerl

@paste It's nice here in Arizona

paste

@tylerl But what is the secret message? :(

tylerl

@paste wish I cared

Stack Exchange

Merge branch 'asdfasjkfdlas/alkdjf' into sdkjfls-final

D3C4FF

@paste Super lame!

paste

05:19

@D3C4FF The compiler's half-done! :)

D3C4FF

@paste Ah, i thought you'd finished it!

paste

It's due tomorrow and it looks okay.

D3C4FF

@paste Oh i thought this was a 'for fun' project?

paste

Well, it's only fun for me. I took the class a semester ago and I passed it but wasn't too happy with my compiler. So I conviced a friend who is taking the class this semester to let me help her. We did it together and she'll hand it in tomorrow.

Although I'm still not happy. But I have enough friends who are willing to get help from me in the next semesters until I get a good programming language.

D3C4FF

05:42

Cool.

Gotta bail, will be back a bit later :)

paste

05:54

Bye :)

Lucas Kauffman

06:49

Morning

Ethan

@LucasKauffman hey lucas

Lucas Kauffman

@Ethan what's up?

Ethan

hey uhm

If someone worked on one of the campuses in the university of California would that make them a public servant in the federal government or in the service of the state of California (including military and judiciary as well as civil service)

Lucas Kauffman

@Ethan I wouldn't know as I do not live in the US of A

:p

Ethan

oh

hows life

Lucas Kauffman

06:55

good good working

tylerl

@Ethan in what context?

Ethan

generally speaking

I guess that's still pretty vague lol

hey tylerl

can you answer this question

4 mins ago, by Ethan

If someone worked on one of the campuses in the university of California would that make them a public servant in the federal government or in the service of the state of California (including military and judiciary as well as civil service)

Iszi

@Ethan @ScottPack probably has some insight to that.

Lucas Kauffman

all you crazy Americans

tylerl

@Ethan your paycheck comes from the university, which is somewhat under control of the state. So again, it depends on the context.

Ethan

07:00

Its for a scholarship, I have a huge list of traits and things that I can check off

it was originally

"Child of a public servant in the federal government or in the service of the state of California (includes military and judiciary as well as civil service)"

tylerl

@Ethan that's a solid "maybe"

Ethan

my dad programmed or something for UCLA, I know he worked there

think I could check it off?

Lucas Kauffman

@Ethan you want to go UCLA?

Ethan

Yea I'm applying right now lol

uc applications close in 4 days

Lucas Kauffman

@Ethan That's a bit late don't you think?

why haven't you done this earlier?

Ethan

07:04

@LucasKauffman They don't have rolling admissions, and I'm just putting in details, I've already submitted test scores and wrote essays etc

Lucas Kauffman

@Ethan good good

Ethan

here is another one

"Student with parent employed by Verizon"

lol

Lucas Kauffman

@Ethan I'm wondering who sponsors the university right...

Rory McCune

08:00

@LucasKauffman cynic :op

kalina

09:04

yawn

TildalWave

@Adnan You sure this is a bad advice? security.stackexchange.com/review/low-quality-posts/17916 It seems a reasonable advice to me, disabling Omniture (e.g. with Ghostery) will result in Flash misbehaving with external dependancies. I'm not sure if they solved that eventually, or just Ghostery doesn't block it any more, but there were cases when that caused problems. E.g. see mepiscommunity.org/forum/…

David Freitag

BTW, really great deal on a Milwaukee driver. Comes with 2 batteries, charger, and case.

amazon.com/gp/product/B000WI9CIG/…

Terry Chia

TildalWave

@DavidFreitag you're screwing a lot? :))

David Freitag

@TildalWave All night long.

TildalWave

09:10

:)

David Freitag

But $100 for a Milwaukee anything is unheard of. It's on sale down from $250...

AviD

@TerryChia hmm, I never realized. Marge Simpson is hot.

David Freitag

Alas, no Prime, and no shipments outside the USA

Terry Chia

@AviD You didn't see her on Playboy? ;)

AviD

@TerryChia heh, nooooo....

Lucas Kauffman

09:12

crazy americans, thinking that they pay high taxes

AviD

well, speaking as a libertarian, they objectively do. The fact that most countries pay even higher taxes, doesnt change that.

Kevin van der Velden

@LucasKauffman they kinda do pay high taxes for what they get back for it

I mean, what public resource isn't falling apart over there? Roads, electricity

Lucas Kauffman

healthcare sucks too if you can't afford it

AviD

@KevinvanderVelden taxation is not a commercial agreement, you dont get anything for the taxes.

You pay taxes because you are forced to, basically to avoid being thrown in jail by men with guns.

Big hairy men.

anything you "get back", is irrelevant of the taxes you paid.

Kevin van der Velden

@AviD it is indeed not a commercial agreement. But I pay taxes so the goverment builds public resources that otherwise wouldn't be build or would be much more expensive to use. The not getting thrown in jail is a nice bonus though

AviD

09:16

no, that is what you delude yourself into thinking.

if tomorrow the government announces "Read my lips: No New Resources", you wouldn't stop paying taxes.

kalina

I pay taxes so that millions of unemployed scumbags don't have to work

AviD

Sheeple.

remember AviD's law of compliance, this still fits:

Kevin van der Velden

@kalina I pay taxes so people who have it rough don't have to live on the streets in the vast majority of cases

AviD

> Compliance reduces the risk of the penalties of non-compliance.

@KevinvanderVelden what country do you live in?

@KevinvanderVelden and, what are you smoking?

Kevin van der Velden

@AviD holland

kalina

09:18

@KevinvanderVelden I'm sure there are some non-scumbags that benefit from my kindness

but in the UK, the bulk of them are scumbags

Kevin van der Velden

@AviD statistically pot cause it's legal. But in reality nothing

AviD

@KevinvanderVelden lol

Lucas Kauffman

there's a huge discussion going on about it here in Belgium as well

especially to see if we should follow the Dutchies and introduce forced labor for those on benefit without a job

AviD

@LucasKauffman that's not forced labor, that is government-sponsored employment.

Kevin van der Velden

@AviD not sure if it's in jest but from what I'm reading it actually is. You're required (if you're young and capable of working etc) to register with UWV which will try to find you a job.

AviD

09:33

only if you're on gov't benefits, right?

Kevin van der Velden

@AviD yeah I think so

AviD

okay, so that's just a question of "no free lunch". You get benefits, you have to be willing to work for it. I can agree with that.

Lucas Kauffman

@AviD ah yea that's what I meant

@AviD but not for companies, only for government services

and more specifically stuff like picking paper

Stephane

09:48

@LucasKauffman And then what ? You get 55-years old sysadmins picking papers in the street and filling the job of a 21 years old guy without formation ?

Adnan

@TildalWave Sure, it's a good advice as a comment.

Answer to the question? Not really.

TildalWave

@Adnan Ah OK I don't see what exactly you recommended... do you see that as a 10k user?

Adnan

@TildalWave I just voted to delete.

TildalWave

oops sorry I forgot ... it's not about flags, it's already in LowQ queue ... need moar coffee

Adnan

4

@Rory

TildalWave

09:53

@Adnan hehe I love Frankie Boyle's jokes... didn't see him in a while tho, not since he's no longer in the Mock The Week panel

Rory McCune

@Adnan heh. If you've not seen frankie boyle, he's a somewhat controversial scottish comedian. if you search youtube for his stuff you can get a flavour for it generally in lists of Worlds most offensive jokes

Personally I think his stuff is hilarious but then I have a dodgy sense of humour :)

Adnan

@RoryMcCune Oh I know what I'll be watching tonight!

Lucas Kauffman

@Stephane well that was the same concern people were having here

Rory McCune

@Adnan good starting point.. youtube.com/… (NSFW)

Adnan

@TildalWave I should start watching Mock The Week again

Rory McCune

09:55

NSFW -Also youtube.com/watch?v=gzV6fpSnkh0

TildalWave

Not directly related, but I think I just concluded in my research for one question on SEx.SE that our increase in carbon emissions is a good thing, might even save us (not all, but as a species)

Stephane

@LucasKauffman I can't agree with that: you're basically creating a cathegory of officially unumployable people (for whatever reason) and using them as cheap labor for the government.

deed02392

frankie boyle is on TV tongiht?

Adnan

@RoryMcCune Thank ye!

Rory McCune

@Adnan and if that's your taste in humour, check out Jimmy Carr as well if you haven't already..

Adnan

10:01

@RoryMcCune Seen all of his DVDs. Extremely funny

TildalWave

@RoryMcCune the last one isn't all that funny tho, even the title is... well, descriptive

Bill Bailey's Qualmpeddler is a good one, maybe more to @RoryA's liking since he (Bill) usually goes wild on musical instruments

@RoryMcCune You know of any newer stuff from Frankie?

Rory McCune

@TildalWave he seems to be doing more books these days

TildalWave

@RoryMcCune Why isn't he on MtW any more? They had some dispute or something?

Rory McCune

I was going to point you/ @Adnan at Jerry sadowitz as another person with a similar (perhaps a bit more extreme) brand of comedy but there's nothing on youtube at all by him. Apparently he's a bit protective of copyright. I've seen him live, was very good..

Lucas Kauffman

@Stephane it was also limited to one day a week

Rory McCune

10:09

@TildalWave I'd heard he stopped doing it 'cause he thought he'd get chucked off or forced to do tamer material...

Stephane

@LucasKauffman I can't see the benefit of such a system except as a populist argument "put the lazy people to work".

TildalWave

@RoryMcCune You mean like it turned out to be now with Andy Parsons? :)

seems he was right then

Rory McCune

@TildalWave .... yes

TildalWave

well I miss him

Stephane

But I clearly can see the problems with it

Adnan

10:11

@RoryMcCune I found something downloadable for him. It's called "The Total Abuse Show"

Lucas Kauffman

@Stephane the thing is that the results show that people tend to get a job a lot faster

Stephane

@LucasKauffman Really ? I'm surprised

Lucas Kauffman

it's just been trialled

Rory McCune

@Adnan that sound about right. He does some great close-up magic while basically ranting for about an hour in a funny way :)

Lucas Kauffman

@Stephane it was a year long project in Amsterdam

Stephane

10:12

@LucasKauffman I'm really really REALLY suprised by that result. Do you have any source about that?

(not that I don't believe you, I'm just curious to get more info)

Lucas Kauffman

@Stephane let me find that for you

Stephane

@LucasKauffman Thanks

Lucas Kauffman

@Stephane deredactie.be/cm/vrtnieuws/videozone/programmas/journaal/…

Stephane

@LucasKauffman Thanks. Now I must find a way to get that translated :P

Lucas Kauffman

@Stephane ah yea I forgot :/

dewereldmorgen.be/artikels/2013/04/12/…

that's an article on the pros and cons

the positive and resulting abuse

Stephane

10:21

(machine translation is still a beta feature)

Lucas Kauffman

10:34

DU BIST ALLES

AviD

@Stephane why "except" that?

Lucas Kauffman

DUUUU DU DARFST NICHT MEHR VON MIR GEHN

AviD

that's the point, on the one hand you dont want all these unemployable people starving to death in the streets, on the other hand there is no reason to give them a free ride. on the other other hand there are plenty of unskilled jobs that need being done... It's a win/win.

Lucas Kauffman

the jobs filled were strictly jobs which were not done by anyone

Stephane

I mean that "putting the lazy and inactive people to work" is a popular argument used by populist parties pretty much everywhere. And I can't see any benefit from forcing every unemployed people to for for the government that doesn't end up with that.

Lucas Kauffman

10:37

such as cleaning up parks more regularly

Stephane

What's the proportion of unumplyoed people in your country ?

Lucas Kauffman

@Stephane I think it's not a bad thing as long as the list of tasks which can be performed by them is limited

Stephane

unemployed*

@LucasKauffman Ok, let's start my limiting the discussion about that aspect (i can see many things to discuss there)

AviD

@Stephane why are you looking for any other benefit?

unless, of course, you were to agree with me and abolish unemployment benefits altogether.

Lucas Kauffman

@Stephane 8.9%

Stephane

10:40

@AviD Because I believe that the government shouldn't do something "just because". In particular if it costs money. Action by the goverment should be, in my opinion, strictly limited to what's useful and what's needed.

unemployemnt isn't a simple problem to understand and to solve and you can't treat everyone the same way

AviD

@Stephane that is a controversial opinion ;-)

Stephane

@AviD possibly. But in the end, it is very important to the discussion we're having.

Lucas Kauffman

but it does useful if there is in fact a decrease in withdrawn benefits. Either the people getting them didn't actually need them or they get a job

AviD

but yeah, I agree with that - however, if governement is going to insist on sponsoring unemployment, I see this as a fair-ish solution.

Lucas Kauffman

in belgium the most important part is that the gap between benefits and minimum wage gets increased

Stephane

10:43

@AviD I would rather they put the money they spend in these programs into better education and formation for the unemployed

Lucas Kauffman

@Stephane we have that here, doesn't work all that well if you can live on benefits

AviD

4 mins ago, by AviD

unless, of course, you were to agree with me and abolish unemployment benefits altogether.

Stephane

@LucasKauffman I didn't say there was a simple and easy solution to the problem ;)

AviD

@Stephane of course there is a simple and easy solution, but that doesn't make it a good one.

Stephane

The way I see it, there ARE people who are comfortable staying unemployed and living with the benefits. Others who aren't

Lucas Kauffman

10:45

@Stephane but I would say that it could be interesting to give an option: work for society or get education instead. If you fail exams or fail education then you should go back to working for society

@Stephane indeed

Stephane

Sorting out the two groups is really difficult

In particular since I'm pretty sure that they aren't clearly segregated.

And add the people who really, really wants a job but can't get one.

But again, I'm really surprised and curious about what you say about the result of the Dutch experiment

Maybe I'm just wrong :P

AviD

@Stephane said noone ever in an internet argument.

Stephane

@LucasKauffman "Working for society" isn't straightforward. Either they are doing something useful (in which case there is no point in not calling that job a job) or they aren't (and you're simply punishing them)

@AviD Sorry, I'm not too big on claiming I know everything. I'm trying, though :P

AviD

@Stephane oh, I completely agree with that distinction - and agree that there is no point in giving them pointless work.

on the other hand, there is ALWAYS plenty of government work to be done, even useful stuff, with little-to-no skills or experience required.

Stephane

@AviD 8.9.% of the population ?

AviD

10:54

the big problem with this is that most unemployed, want the benefits without working. Which is the point.

Terry Chia

To quote @Simon, "Nurds".

AviD

the other problem would be the unions....

Stephane

That's a LOT of "useful be menial" jobs

but*

@AviD That's pretty much what I'm challenging

And that's the point used by most populist politicians

AviD

sure. Wanna guess how much your government currently pays proper employees or outsourced companies, for all those useful-but-menial jobs....?

Stephane

@AviD If they pay private companies, then the whole thing in back in the system: the price is set by the offer and demand

AviD

10:56

@Stephane sure, there is always a percentage of people who properly have problems. Illness, disabilities, age, etc.

Stephane

@AviD I don't deny the fact that this population exists, I contest the fact that it's the majority

AviD

@Stephane ah, but if they now introduced another 10% into the workforce willing (or unwilling but forced) to do these menial jobs....

@Stephane ah! okay, fair enough.

Naivete is a legitimate position.

Stephane

lol

I'm not sure we can get much out of THIS particular disagreement :)

because I can't see what statistics we could use to argue either position

AviD

@Stephane It's a questions of statistics, but the problem is (as you said) it is not always easy or possible to tell.

which is where psychology and economic theory comes in.

Stephane

But let's say, just for the sake of this argument, that there was a way to tell with high certainty, if a specific individual is a "leech" or someone who really wants to get a job.

Damned.. I'm late for sport. Sorry: I'd have loved talking about that longer. Maybe later

AviD

11:03

@Stephane add in 3rd group, those that cannot work.

@Stephane Enjoy.

ManishEarth

I just unintentionally played out the events of this xkcd

Terry Chia

@ManishEarth You just played Portal?

ManishEarth

yes

cake

Terry Chia

Better than me, I have not played it yet. :P

ManishEarth

PLAY IT

cake cake cake

Terry Chia

11:09

Also, the XKCD isn't that accurate now really.

ManishEarth

@TerryChia ?

Well, "late 2013"

Terry Chia

Any graphics card bought within the last 3-5 years should be able to handle any current game on 1080p really.

No need to wait out the 5 year upgrade cycle. :P

ManishEarth

@TerryChia Yeah, but I play on a laptop, with okay graphics

I don't game much so I don't see the point of getting a high end graphics card

Terry Chia

@ManishEarth You don't need a high end card if you are just gaming on a 23" 1920x1080 screen really. Any mid range card from the last 3 years will do.

ManishEarth

Depends on the game

Terry Chia

11:13

The high end card only comes into play when you are talking about 2560x1440 or triple monitor setups.

ManishEarth

Playing AOE on multiplayer works, but I lag everyone if I focus on large battles.

deed02392

dammit @Adnan I just wrote an answer

Adnan

@deed02392 To a dupe question

deed02392

well I know that now

AviD

@deed02392 I'm going to start saying that every time I answer a question.

deed02392

11:22

haha why @AviD?

AviD

just seems like a good idea.

Adnan

@AviD I just got a boner!

AviD

Dammit @Adnan!

Adnan

aaaaand it's gone.

AviD

@deed02392 see? :-)

deed02392

11:24

haha, w.t.f.

Adnan

@AviD This is usually a good idea when I'm home.

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