The DMZ

Simon

17:05

mourning @AbeMiessler

Abe Miessler

mourning

How's canada?

Simon

Dark as hell.

Abe Miessler

weak sauce

Simon

How's SF?

Abe Miessler

I'm a few hours away, but it's probably cold, overcast and windy

Simon

17:06

o

Abe Miessler

as always

Simon

Fun.

Abe Miessler

indeed

Simon

There will be an accumulation of 10 cm of snow tomorrow supposedly.

That's gonna be fun at least.

Abe Miessler

I hope we get snow here this year

Simon

17:11

Are people going mental when you get snow?

Abe Miessler

been a while since we got a good snow storm

David Freitag

Yes, the West can have all the snow.

Abe Miessler

people aren't used to it, so it's sort of chaos on the road

last big storm I saw 12 cars spun out on the freeway in less than 3 miles

amateur night

Simon

lolol

Yeah

To be fair, it's shitty to drive in the snow without winter tires.

And also if people aren't used to it, that's understandable.

Abe Miessler

yeah, they aren't

Simon

17:13

I can't type for shit again.

Abe Miessler

WITH summer tires?

David Freitag

@Simon I have always had all season tires and i have never had issues in the snow.

Abe Miessler

same here

but we are probably smarter than everyone else

Simon

@AbeMiessler That would work too.

David Freitag

Accept that one time i slid sideways down my very steep driveway in my old explorer.

Abe Miessler

17:14

ha!

Simon

@DavidFreitag All season > summer in le snow

David Freitag

But that was just impatience.

Simon

That's funny.

Fuck. The accumulation will happen tonight. Hopefully, it won't be too late when it'll start.

David Freitag

Luckily it stopped sliding just before the two solid concrete walls on either side. It took me almost a half hour to inch it back out of there

Simon

There will be sooo many people drifting in the streets, haha.

David Freitag

17:17

@Simon We have been taken down to rain all night and all day tomorow

Simon

@DavidFreitag Ew. There will be rain here tomorrow too which means the snow will le die.

Poor snow.

David Freitag

Supposed to rain from 19:00 on to 12:00 tomorrow :\

Simon

Ewwww

David Freitag

But I'll take it over snow any fucking day.

Simon

Yeah exactly. At this time of the year, I'd rather get snow.

WAIT WHAT

You prefer rain?

leeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee nooooooooooooooooooooo

David Freitag

17:19

Do i have to shovel rain?

Simon

I drive an AWD, I don't shovel.

Abe Miessler

being in 38 degree rain is WAY worse than being in snow

if you are inside all day I guess it doesn't matter

Simon

Snow is all cute, you can go ice skating will le gurlz in the park.

Rain you can do fuck all.

Abe Miessler

that's Fahrenheit @Simon

Simon

@AbeMiessler Ya i got that dw.

David Freitag

17:20

@Simon No amount of AWD will get you up my driveway with any more than a quarter inch of snow, and once you do get up in that little bit, whatever you ran over is now sheer ice.

Simon

@DavidFreitag Studded tires.

Abe Miessler

good point

David Freitag

@Simon Doesn't give a fuck.

Simon

@DavidFreitag Ya they don't give a fuck, they eat l'ice.

They go like this: "OM NOM NOM".

David Freitag

I tried that last year, lets just say it didn't work out very well.

Simon

17:21

How bad is the angle of your driveway?

David Freitag

The steepest part is just over 60º

Simon

Jesus.

Abe Miessler

Do you live in a tree or something?

David Freitag

And it's about 100 feet long

Simon

@AbeMiessler LOL

David Freitag

17:23

With essentially a four car parking lot at the top

Minimum 2 hours shoveling, even if it's just a half inch or so.

Abe Miessler

Shoudl invest in one of those plows you can hook to the front of your truck

Simon

^

David Freitag

@AbeMiessler Tried it, won't work.

Simon

Or if you own a four-wheeler.

Abe Miessler

there you go

David Freitag

17:25

The plow can't clear the driveway well enough, then ends up sliding down.

Abe Miessler

that blows

Simon

lol

I'm genuinely excited for snow.

OH CANADUH

David Freitag

Your only hope for deep snow is use the Snow Blower that has direct drive and hope you don't slip and fall with it running in front of you.

Simon

Going to work tomorrow will blow though.

Will have to zigzag through cars.

Last year at one point, I was stuck behind a car that was going 50 km/h (~31 MPH) on the highway.

Great times.

David Freitag

Sounds like the time my parents drove the family to Boston and there was 8" of snow on the highway

Simon

17:29

My wiener of snow.

David Freitag

Accept somehow my step-dad managed to make it to 70mph o.O

Simon

Experienced driver.

Or insane.

David Freitag

No, the word you are looking for is "Crazy ass motherfucker"

Simon

Hehe

David Freitag

We were driving along on the highway, nicely cleared, when we noticed the highway up ahead was covered in snow that was pretty deep. As i recall the look on my step-dad's face was one of "YOLO, Floor it!"

Simon

17:32

Well, if you're by yourself in the car and there's no one else on the road, why not. However, when there's other people in the car, it doesn't mean that they wanna pull out a "yolo" too.

So yup, insane.

David Freitag

Yeah, that was the sentiment of my mom, she was less reserved in her opinions.

Simon

Good.

Iszi

And my wife wonders why I don't want to move north.

Simon

@Iszi Oh I sooooooo can imagine you shoveling your driveway.

David Freitag

Once we were like a quarter mile into the snow and going at a decent rate, my step-dad looked over at my mom and was like "You mad bro?" then i seem to remember a "Fuck yeah." in there somewhere.

Simon

17:35

@DavidFreitag Awesome guy.

Iszi

@Simon Oh, hell no.

David Freitag

It's funny how you can express terrifying childhood moments using only internet-based memes.

Simon

#yolo

David Freitag

If it weren't for the fact that my rent is $200/m i wouldn't be living where i am, and i probably wouldn't give two fucks about snow.

Abe Miessler

$200/month?! Are you in a dorm room or something?

David Freitag

17:39

No

Abe Miessler

or am I just used to California's insane rents

David Freitag

The average for a 1 bedroom apartment here is ~$700/m

Simon

@AbeMiessler Fairly sure dorms are more expensive than that actually.

Abe Miessler

oh...

$700/mo in not too bad

David Freitag

@Simon Yeah but usually you stuff a shitload of people into one, thus dividing the total rent amongst them all.

Simon

17:40

@DavidFreitag I'm definitely gonna do that next year.

And hopefully be with people as crazy as me.

Abe Miessler

living with 4 other dudes in a one bedroom apartment is always a good idea.

David Freitag

@AbeMiessler But that's for a fairly shitty place. If you want anything decent you go a few towns over and it's closer to $1000/m for one.

Simon

@AbeMiessler ALWAYS.

Abe Miessler

@DavidFreitag, sounds comparable to california

except for the big cities

$1000 will get you a phone booth at the bus station in SF

Simon

lul

David Freitag

17:43

That's weird. Must be some Russian troll. Just got a PM from someone on Pololu saying "До и после..." which apparently translates to "Before and After..."

Simon

Hardwell plays Hardstyle at the end of his sets @Tomorrowland.

I dig that dude big time.

David Freitag

@Simon We should go to Tomorrowland 2014

Simon

@DavidFreitag Definitely. However, it was either a new car or a trip somewhere.

Since I can get some music shows around here, I decided to get the car.

David Freitag

Perhaps I'll just have to get a passport and go to a show up there then sometime.

Simon

Once I'm done with school, I'm gonna go on a crazy trip for sure.

@DavidFreitag You don't have a passport?!?!? C'mon!

I can go to le United States of 'MERICA anytime.

David Freitag

17:46

@Simon Why would i possibly ever need a passport? I work, school, eat, sleep, work, school, eat, sleep...

Simon

@DavidFreitag Weekends.

David Freitag

@Simon Studying.

Simon

@DavidFreitag You can definitely take a weekend off a studying if you plan your schedule properly.

David Freitag

Or if i just wait until the semester ends...

Abe Miessler

Quit taking school so seriously

no one cares

just get your damn degree

I was asked about my GPA exactly one time

and I mushroom slapped the guy

David Freitag

17:49

The school i want to transfer to next year has an entry GPA requirement of a 3.4

Simon

@AbeMiessler Well, exactly. I'd rather get average grades and say that these were the best years of my life.

David Freitag

They are very strict about it.

Abe Miessler

fair enough

You will have the last laugh when you are my boss

David Freitag

No way, peon for lyfe.

Abe Miessler

I'm with @Simon though

lol

Simon

17:50

lul

@DavidFreitag If you ever decide to go to a music show, I gotta warn you about something: you might genuinely get addicted to it.

David Freitag

Seriously though, i probably won't ever get the chance to experience the actual "College Experience"

That is, living in a dorm with other people on campus

Simon

@DavidFreitag That's because you decided that it wouldn't happen.

David Freitag

...and partying 'till your liver drops.

Simon

When you get transferred to the other school, stop being a wuss and be a god damn crazy bastard.

David Freitag

@Simon No, it's because the company i work for is paying my tuition in full. Their only requirement is that i continue working full time.

Simon

17:53

Do shit you would have never done.

@DavidFreitag You can still find time to party.

David Freitag

If it weren't for that, i would take my 3.8 GPA and take it to california

Simon

Also, you chose to work for that company.

Abe Miessler

I went to Chico state and look at me... I'm awsome

Simon

But you can't spell.

Abe Miessler

that's the Chico State education

Simon

17:54

Yeah.

David Freitag

@Simon $30,000 a semester is hard to pass up.

Simon

@DavidFreitag Oh absolutely.

Abe Miessler

That's pretty bad ass

David Freitag

When it comes down to it, i really like this job, and i really like the tuition payments.

Abe Miessler

what school?

David Freitag

17:55

And besides, if i get drunk at work, the chances of me getting someone pregnant and ruining my life are nearly nill.

Simon

@DavidFreitag Getting drunk doesn't absolutely mean that you become the most idiotic kid on earth.

David Freitag

@AbeMiessler I'll be transferring to the UCONN in the fall of 2014 with my new Asc in Science.

Abe Miessler

nice

David Freitag

Hopefully some recruiter will come pick me up near the end of my term there. Then i can go on to better pastures. More moneys, a masters, possibly a few PhDs...

Abe Miessler

and a big "fuck you!" to the company that just shelled out 6 figures for your education!

god bless America

David Freitag

17:58

No, i have singlehandedly brought this company out of the '80s.

Simon

'MERICA

David Freitag

Besides, my tuition is just a tax writeoff for them, they aren't actually losing any money.

Simon

On a side note, I like the taste of blood.

David Freitag

On a side side note, you can drink 3 pints of blood before you start to become violently ill.

Simon

How often can you drink those 3 pints without getting sick?

David Freitag

18:03

Probably not often enough that you don't die first.

Simon

o

I mean I'm just wondering, I totally wouldn't do that.

COUGH COUGH.

David Freitag

That reminds me of a picture of this car that was at a Red Cross blood facility with vanity plates that read something like "VMPYR" or something like that.

Simon

Haha.

@AbeMiessler How's your dog doing?

Abe Miessler

chillin

why do you ask?

Simon

Your dog's funny, why wouldn't I ask?

And you keep reminding me how funny he is by using his face as your gravatar.

Abe Miessler

18:20

How is he funny?

funny like a clown?

Simon

Look at the picture!!!

Yes!

Abe Miessler

Does he amuse you?

Simon

Your questions are getting creepy.

Abe Miessler

hey, I ain't even mad

Iszi

0

Q: Restricting locations for unzipping a zip file

I hope that I have found the correct place to ask my question regarding unzipping files. I would like to see if there is a way to restrict the locations available to the user to unzip a password protected zip file in order to ensure security of the contents of that file. I believe this is useful...

Simon

18:22

How could you be mad with a dog like yours?

Iszi

I don't have the energy today to answer that with anything more than "No.".

Simon

@Iszi waaaaaaaaaaaaaat da fuk

Abe Miessler

good point

Simon

@Iszi Imagine this. You downloaded a zipped file on l'Internet and then when you extract it, it goes somewhere on your drive.

How convenient that would be!

Abe Miessler

you might have something here

Iszi

18:25

@Simon Yeah? So, how about you imagine up a way that this guy can prevent users from unzipping the files to any arbitrary location of their choice?

Simon

@Iszi Easy! First, you wake up.

Rory Alsop

@iszi - wanted to make you proud and just write No, but it needed more text

Scott Pack

We're getting pretty full up on Rories. Very nice.

Rory Alsop

Ooh - did we get a new one?

Might need to update the meme post...

Simon

@RoryAlsop I think he's just being weird, I don't see any unusual Rory(ies) here.

Rory Alsop

18:31

Hahaha. Except me, you mean

Simon

I CAN'T SPELL AGAIN

Lucas Kauffman

@RoryAlsop DAMNIT RORY

I was about to answer that question :<

Rory McCune

@ScottPack so I learned an interesting fact about Nessus on Windows at the weekend

Scott Pack

Oh yeah! I forgot to ask how that went.

Continue.

Rory Alsop

@Lucas - I'm sat in an airport. What else an I going to do

Scott Pack

18:42

Go to the bar?

Simon

@RoryAlsop PAAAAARTTTTTY

Rory Alsop

Well. I am already at it, with my phone charging and my iPad doing it's thing and a drink and Bacon and Brie panini by my right hand

That's me partying @simon

Simon

@RoryAlsop Lies, I know you're wilder than that.

Scott Pack

@RoryAlsop That sounds pretty fantastic.

Iszi

@RoryAlsop How about No.     ?

Simon

18:53

nurd

Rory Alsop

happy nurdlings

Simon

I like it.

Rory McCune

@ScottPack so went onsite in london at the weekend, one scanner on Linux, one on windows. Start off and the windows one is 10x slower (at this point there were some nasty words said as we got a 3 hour delay at the start)

Scott Pack

@RoryMcCune I figured Windows would have been slower, but wow.

Rory McCune

@ScottPack turns out that on windows 5.2.4 when you install it's setting a global max simultaneous hosts setting of 5 on windows, and 100 on linux

setting it to 80 and it speeded up just nicely

but took me quite a while to find it as the per-scan setting was fine, it was the global one stuffing it up

Scott Pack

18:55

That'll do it.

Rory McCune

interestingly on the laptops it was CPU bound

Scott Pack

That happened to us even on the linux version.

On both Linux and Windows?

Rory McCune

so I was watching the output of 'top' and starting a new batch whenever it went below 250%

@ScottPack it did definitely spike up at 80-90% on windows

Scott Pack

wow

Rory McCune

I'm guessing slower laptop CPUs are the reason

Scott Pack

18:57

My experience has always been that it pegs the cpu when nessusd starts, but beyond that it's primarily memory bound.

These are i7s, yes?

Rory McCune

the linux one is a ivy bridge 2-core (4-thread) i5

the windows one is a haswell 2-core i7

but it's quite a low voltage one as it's an ultrabook

Scott Pack

Still way newer than most of mine. They're primarily Xeon, but the Core2 vintage.

At best.

Rory McCune

@ScottPack I have a feeling the laptop CPUs quite a bit slower. The disk IO will be high on both though as they're using Samsung 840 Pros

Scott Pack

IO can definitely be a thing, but I think that's gotten better.

Rory McCune

anyway hopefully won't have to do that again in a hurry as it was a 10 hour day sitting on the floor of a noisy datacentre

Scott Pack

19:00

yeah

Excepting the delay how did the scan go? It sounded like a pretty tall order.

Rory McCune

@ScottPack managed to get round ~4000 live hosts in 11 hours

all complete with basic scanning

now just have the fun of the data analysis and write-up (thank heavens for nessie!)

Scott Pack

Not bad.

That was a less productive google search than I would have liked.

Rory McCune

what're you looking for?

Rory Alsop

@Rory - was it the pair of you sat there on the floor?

at least that's company :-/

Rory McCune

@RoryAlsop yeah in one of the datecentres in Docklands

Scott Pack

19:05

@RoryMcCune Nessie. I'm unfamiliar with it.

Rory Alsop

pity you couldn't stay around for the conference today. Loads of familiar faces :-)

Rory McCune

@ScottPack Rly? it's the bomb for viewing .nessus files :) handling all 4000 hosts for me at the moment. lab.secway.fr

@RoryAlsop which conference's that?

Iszi

@Simon Seriously, that's the bar you set for a nurd?

How about a Rock, Paper, Scissors script in PowerShell that's short enough to be tweeted?

switch($p=read-host){'r'{$w='s'}'p'{$w='r'}'s'{$w='p'}}($c=Random 'r','p','s');switch($c){$w{'W'}$p{'T'}default{'L'}}

Rory Alsop

The govt Cyber Security Summit - had some great speakers. Richard Cox was as entertaining as ever

@Iszi - that's clever

Iszi

@RoryAlsop Thanks. I've been having fun with PowerShell over at Programming Puzzles & Code Golf lately.

Rory Alsop

19:12

I visited. It showed me how dumb I am. I left, slightly downcast

Rory McCune

@RoryAlsop coolio, what was the mix like between offensive "we need to develop our cyber army" and defensive stuff like?

Iszi

I've found that I generally have a difficult time maintaining an attention span long enough to learn things - particularly scripting & programming languages - when I don't have a problem to solve. This is giving me problems to solve.

Simon

@Iszi That's not nurdy, that's a lost cause.

GnomeSlice

19:33

agwshtrx6thgfbdgnm

kalina

20:00

@Simon no I'm not sleeping

Simon

Answered fucking 6 hours later.

kalina

I took my car apart, fitted speakers, emptied oil, replaced oil, replaced oil filter, replaced air filter, etc

Simon

Oh.

Look at you being all motivated.

kalina

so all my clothes are covered in oil

Simon

Amateur.

What oil did you put in?

kalina

20:03

castrol magnatec

Simon

Castrol's decent in Europe, you guys have laws against false advertising. Here it sucks.

kalina

20:15

tomorrow I have the joy of fitting the head unit, running cables for amplification, and... washer fluid

Simon

WASHER FLUID?

Are you sure that you can do that?

kalina

I think so yeah

I did all the messy things today

I can do it

I CAN DO IT

Simon

Alright, alright.

David Freitag

@kalina, don't forget your headlight fluid.

kalina

...

Simon

20:21

@DavidFreitag One time I didn't fill up mine and my headlights blew up.

David Freitag

Always wanna keep those buggers topped off.

kalina

you're so stupid at times

Iszi

@AbeMiessler Good call on the directory traversal testing, but you totally missed the name of the tool right in the question. ;-)

David Freitag

@Simon Yep, that's what happens when you don't take good care of your headlights. They always need to be properly lubricated.

Simon

@DavidFreitag Yep, poor headlight motor.

kalina

20:22

speaking of properly lubricated

nevermind

David Freitag

@kalina Relax, it's a joke.

Simon

lolololol

Abe Miessler

@Iszi, yeah I saw your comment, good catch

kalina

@DavidFreitag your gullibility check failed

Abe Miessler

i don't need bad vibrations in here people

cool it

kalina

20:23

you're not my real dad

Simon

@AbeMiessler You want a piece of me, boi?

Abe Miessler

lets throw down big man

David Freitag

@kalina It's broken. I was up until 5am making a ring launcher with a friend. Red bull has repaired the necessary systems.

Abe Miessler

@kalina, you don't know that

kalina

also there are no vibrations, I used so much sound deadening material today that nothing vibrates anymore

Abe Miessler

20:24

good times

Simon

@DavidFreitag Saturday, I learned that a shitload of beers + red bull is not a perfect match.

kalina

beer in general is bad

Simon

Red bull sucks.

kalina

red bull however is awesomesauce

Simon

Here we go, sigh.

Abe Miessler

20:25

both are fine on their own

David Freitag

@Simon Jägermeister + Red Bull is where it's at.

kalina

if redbull didn't exist I'd sleep far more often

Simon

Red bull is fucking illegal in The Netherlands, the lands of legal weed + prostitution.

AM JUST SAYIN'.

Abe Miessler

seriously?

Simon

@AbeMiessler Yes sir.

kalina

20:27

he's wrong

red bull is banned in dutch schools

Abe Miessler

yeah @Simon you are full of shit

i just looked on the interwebz

kalina

just like everything simon says, he's only half correct

Simon

Don't make me get my Dutch m8s.

Abe Miessler

someone told me that he's mildly retarded

kalina

@Simon we don't have time for you to learn how to make friends, and then find some people willing to be your friends

David Freitag

20:28

@AbeMiessler I think it was him, actually.

kalina

most of the people in here will die before then

Simon

@KevinvanderVelden Are you alive?

Abe Miessler

ha!

awesome

kalina

back to our conversation about gullibility

Simon

NO

Abe Miessler

20:29

that conversation was boring

why don't you guys talk about working on your cars again

that was a blast

kalina

technically, we were still talking about gullible people when @Simon said red bull is illegal in holland

Scott Pack

OHAI GUISE

kalina

HAI

David Freitag

Speaking of Red Bull.

Simon

I WILL AVENGE MYSELF WITH FURRY

David Freitag

20:32

@Simon I don't want to hear about your sexual exploits.

kalina

lol

Simon

I would Falcon punch all of you right now.

David Freitag

If only you were deaf, then we could just call you the greased up deaf guy.

Simon

I DON'T EVEN KNOW

WHERE YOU REMOTELY SAW

ANY GREASE

ON THE THOUSAND PICTURES I POSTED HERE

Abe Miessler

The pictures themselves were greasy. Like you grabbed them after eating sausage all day

Simon

20:39

.

You haven't seen any you donut.

Abe Miessler

you shouldn't call people donuts

Simon

It's a successful insult.

@kalina YOU'RE A HUGE DONUT

kalina

nope

Scott Pack

Children.

kalina

also, you insult like a Canadian

now say sorry

Scott Pack

20:41

Sorey

Simon

Sorry aboot that.

kalina

I meant to say: now say sorry, eh

Scott Pack

Sorey aboot that, eh.

kalina

no problem, eh, we can still be friends, eh

Simon

I still believe that I pronounce "about" properly.

kalina

20:43

aboot

Simon

@LucasKauffman UDER?

Lucas Kauffman

@Simon aye

Simon

Are you aware of the illegality or at least ex-illegality of Red Bull in any European country?

Lucas Kauffman

@Simon sweden I think

@Simon but not illegal as in no-one can drink it

more as in: not for minors

David Freitag

@Simon Wrecked.

Lucas Kauffman

20:54

Red Bull at first did not get approved in France in 1996, Denmark, and Norway[34] for years. As of 2013 it is on sale in all 27 member states of the European Union and in 165 countries around the world.
The French food safety agency was concerned about taurine. A Red Bull drink that did not contain taurine was introduced. The French refusal of market approval was challenged by the European Commission, and partially upheld by the European Court of Justice in 2004.[34] The French food safety agency relented in 2008, because it was unable to prove a definite health risk, taurine-related or not…

tylerl

@deed02392 Google.

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