The DMZ

Abe Miessler

20:00

I'm changing my SO name to "Hot, rich creamy goodness"

Rory Alsop

@AbeMiessler hahahahaha

Simon

@tylerl I'm assuming that's a company? There are quite a few brands of milk so I dunno.

tylerl

Rory Alsop

@Simon it's a company that sells some ...other... products

David Freitag

@Simon It's the brand of the milk in the picture i linked, you dolt.

Rory Alsop

20:01

unrelated to milk

tylerl

@Simon THAT is Parmalat

Simon

@tylerl Oh yes, I've seen these bags.

^ We have this too

tylerl

That's an italian milk company. From Parma. Same as parmasian cheese.

Simon

^ And this

tylerl

strange it'd be in Canadia

David Freitag

20:02

^ i like that more though

Rory Alsop

woah - webmasters election has few candidates

webmasters.stackexchange.com/election

tylerl

@DavidFreitag 'merican bacon > canadian bacon

Rory Alsop

well, only 1 really

@tylerl danish bacon > mrkin bacon

Scott Pack

@tylerl That's untrue.

Abe Miessler

I prefer makin' bacon

Scott Pack

20:03

I'll bet @tylerl eats crispy bacon. Icky.

David Freitag

The great Bacon wars of 2013.

Simon

@tylerl Parmalat is a company with a global presence, having operations in Europe, Latin America, North America, Australia, China and South Africa

Rory Alsop

@ScottPack yeah, everyone knows microwaved bacon is fastest

David Freitag

@RoryAlsop Pfft, ain't nothin' beats bacon popsicles.

Simon

Oh what now, American vs Canadian bacon is a thing too?

Scott Pack

20:04

@RoryAlsop I like my microwave floppy and yummy. If it breaks instead of cuts then GTFO.

Rory Alsop

@DavidFreitag hahahahaha - not yet tried that: baconfreak.com

Simon

You guys are probably heard of Epic Meal Time, right?

They're from Montreal.

Rory Alsop

@ScottPack microwaved bacon then cooked up inside an omelette along with peppers, onion and cheese....mmmmmmmmm

Abe Miessler

@Simon, never heard of it

Simon

@AbeMiessler They cook mental meals and eat them (almost always made of bacon).

David Freitag

20:08

@Simon Made with bacon.

Abe Miessler

Interesting....

tylerl

@Simon "mental meals"? Like imaginary lunchtime?

2

Simon

@DavidFreitag At that point, it's pretty much made of bacon.

@tylerl Exactly! We're weird like that here in Canada.

Rory Alsop

Yeah @Simon - what is a mental meal?

enquiring minds wanna know!

Simon

I always make up things and then get told.

tylerl

20:10

@RoryAlsop its the best kinda food you'll find in Canada

Simon

That's the kind of meal they make.

David Freitag

@tylerl It must be awkward eating at a restaurant in Canada. They apologize when you walk in, they apologize when your order, and they apologize for taking your money...

Simon

@DavidFreitag And sometimes in the process of apologizing, the other person apologizes too so we both try to apologize again for being rude but once again at the same time so it never ends.

Rory Alsop

@Simon but that's NOT real cheese!

(aside from that, I'm in)

Simon

Yeah, they could have used real cheese at least, pfft.

David Freitag

20:14

@Simon How do you not get stuck in infinite apologetic recursion?

Simon

@DavidFreitag Oh it happens and then they have to call the Mounties to get us out of the predicament.

David Freitag

@Simon What, by apologizing even louder?

Simon

@DavidFreitag No, there's a secret phone number for this situation.

David Freitag

I heard that the Canadian Mounties even have their horses trained to apologize.

Simon

Yes but sometimes even the horses get in the loop.

It's messy.

David Freitag

20:17

Yeah, and i suppose eventually one of you would fall asleep and that would end it

Simon

It happens, yes.

Scott Pack

@RoryAlsop Cut the egg and add in some mushroom. Yummy.

Simon

Mushrooms, ewww.

You're disgusting @ScottPack.

David Freitag

^ Canadian bear

Simon

Is that Thomas?

Rory Alsop

20:19

@ScottPack mushrooms: also a winner

David Freitag

It's funny though, without insurance here in the US an ambulance ride costs you in the ball park of $1,700 per mile.

Scott Pack

chokes

Simon

That's a good price.

I think it's something like 500 bucks here no matter how long the ride is.

But usually, when you have a decent job you get insurance as benefits, right? (In the US)

David Freitag

My sister got in a car crash a few months back, she took a 3/4 mile ride in an ambulance and got slapped with a $1,200 bill. Just for the ambulance.

@Simon If you don't work for a chain store (which is like... 90% of all jobs), probably.

Simon

Like @ScottPack must have insurance for everything. You don't want to lose a pretty face like him.

David Freitag

20:23

@Simon But I'd be willing to bet @ScottPack doesn't work at WalMart.

Simon

Yeah... Fun fact: I worked there for 3 years as a part-time job.

Was a very good job (was pure shit).

Scott Pack

I have pretty not bad insurance.

Rory Alsop

@DavidFreitag WAT!?

here it's free

David Freitag

Yeah... Fun fact: I've only had one job. I started at ground level making $10/hr, now I'm an engineer making $13.50/hr, doing the work of someone that should be making $25+ an hour.

@RoryAlsop Welcome to 'merica.

Rory Alsop

gawd!

Simon

20:25

@DavidFreitag BUT. Go ahead, say it.

Scott Pack

@RoryAlsop Yeah, medicine here is pretty much fuck you in the ass nuts.

David Freitag

@Simon There are no buts, i love my job. They pay my tuition, let me come and go as i please, i have bawler insurance ($10 for pretty much anything accept scans).

Simon

@DavidFreitag That's the but that I was looking for, they pay for le school.

David Freitag

Emergency room is $75, as opposed to $150+ for most.

Simon

@ScottPack I like it when you talk like this.

David Freitag

20:27

@RoryAlsop The worst part? Obama is trying to get where the UK is on healthcare, but he is being cock blocked by just about everyone.

Scott Pack

@RoryAlsop The only way it's even approachable is that insurance companies negotiate lower prices for their subscribers which also results in people without insurance not being able to afford care.

Simon

'MERICA

David Freitag

It's the oldest country in the world.

Scott Pack

Government.

David Freitag

Nah.

Simon

20:29

Being old isn't always something positive, just look @RoryAlsop.

I'M KIDDING RORY <3

Man, I need a lady, look how gay I am these days.

Fucking fuck.

David Freitag

These days?

Simon

Yeah...

David Freitag

Now, use the other barrel on the left foot.

Simon

Then what?

David Freitag

@Simon reload and aim higher

Rory Alsop

20:31

apparently nail your sack to the cobbles outside the Kremlin

that's a thing, these days

Simon

Like roof higher or at an angle?

David Freitag

@RoryAlsop But the frostbite... :x

CodesInChaos

@Simon Like an angel on the roof

Scott Pack

@RoryAlsop What?

Simon

@CodesInChaos I like angels.

Rory Alsop

20:34

NSFW, obviously: metro.co.uk/2013/11/10/…

Simon

@RoryAlsop Judging by the title, it is very SFW.

David Freitag

@RoryAlsop I... can't even imagine. It must be like cracking an egg... But with two yolks...

Scott Pack

@DavidFreitag The article text says scrotum.

Rory Alsop

which means it's alright :-)

Simon

@ScottPack Thanks for this detail.

David Freitag

20:35

@RoryAlsop How NSFW, are there pics?

Scott Pack

Fun Fact: The scrotum is in fact different from testicles.

Rory Alsop

@DavidFreitag yep - one pic, which is blurred, but...depends on your work

tylerl

Best line:

> In a statement posted on the grani.ru website prior to the demonstration, Mr Pavlensky had written: ‘A naked artist, looking at his balls nailed to the Kremlin pavement, is a metaphor for the apathy, political indifference, and fatalism of contemporary Russian society.’

yeah... sure.

quite the metaphor

Simon

Great metaphor.

David Freitag

@ScottPack Yes, but i mean puncturing the scrotum. It must be like cracking an egg.

A soft fleshy egg.

Simon

20:37

My balls hurt now.

Thanks guys.

tylerl

....Bearing in mind that this is November in Moscow.

Simon

o

Must be a compact little package.

Scott Pack

@DavidFreitag More like piercing your ear but with more blood.

David Freitag

@ScottPack Never pierced an ear.

Simon

@DavidFreitag Scott Pack has many piercings.

Rory Alsop

20:40

@DavidFreitag I have - it's easy with most sharp items. Not so good with a blunt drawing pin, but hey - you use what you can find

David Freitag

@RoryAlsop I'm going to go with no thanks.

I might do it with a laser one of these days though.

Rory Alsop

@DavidFreitag that sounds painful!

Simon

I wanted a tongue ring at one point.

Then I realized how gay that was.

David Freitag

@RoryAlsop Self cauterizing.

Scott Pack

@Simon Just the one. I haven't worn anything in there for a couple of decades.

Simon

20:41

@ScottPack So the hole must be closed then.

Rory Alsop

@Simon see you rprevious comment

:-)

Scott Pack

@Simon Probably. I can feel the scar tissue

Simon

@RoryAlsop :(

Rory Alsop

hahaha

Simon

I still want a tattoo.

Scott Pack

20:42

Well played, @RoryAlsop. Well played.

David Freitag

@Simon "I'm sorry" doesn't count.

Rory Alsop

@DavidFreitag he could have it done in Comic Sans

Simon

@DavidFreitag Well exactly, I'd get something meaningful, not something that I say a thousand times a day.

David Freitag

@Simon But, that would be the beauty of it. Instead of saying it, just flash the body part that it's tattoo'd on.

Simon

@DavidFreitag Nice. I know where to get it done now.

David Freitag

20:44

@Simon I'm pretty sure you will need it in two places in that case.

Simon

@DavidFreitag Why?

David Freitag

@Simon One for the initial apology, and one for the fact that they will need an electron scanning microscope to see the first one.

Simon

I knew this was coming.

Rory Alsop

@Simon TWSS

Simon

Man, I really gotta go home.

I'm getting le destroyed in here.

Scott Pack

20:46

Careful. It's cold out there.

David Freitag

@Simon So, put your clothes back on and do that walk of shame.

Simon

@ScottPack It's not too bad.

Scott Pack

I just had to bump up the temperature. It was 63 in here.

Rory Alsop

@Simon or as we say "détruit"

Simon

@RoryAlsop As we say, as we say.

Yep, time to le rage in traffic.

See ya.

David Freitag

20:49

@Simon the gas pedal is your friend.

Rory Alsop

@DavidFreitag cc @Simon - as is this (NSFW but great for traffic)

►

David Freitag

@RoryAlsop I prefer Mozart for bad traffic. It brings out my sadistic side.

Scott Pack

I listen to podcasts while driving.

Rory Alsop

@DavidFreitag Actually yeah - I concur

David Freitag

I couldn't be bothered with podcasts.

I would do audiobooks, but they are so goddamn expensive like eBooks, there's basically no point.

tylerl

20:54

@RoryAlsop I always found it subtly ironic that the lead singer flies a jet with an Anarchy symbol on the tail.

cause there's nothing more anti-establishment than getting a commercial pilot's license

David Freitag

@tylerl Perhaps he understands that being anti-establishment has itself become an establishment and is thus anti-anti-establishment.

tylerl

@DavidFreitag I belive this would be a perefect example of antidisestablishmentarianism

which is not a word you write very often

David Freitag

@tylerl I would have to concur.

tylerl

well.. not the actual british political party.

but the general concept

David Freitag

I guess that would make the lead singer an antidisestablishmentarianist.

Rory Alsop

20:57

@tylerl hahahaha - that's what my kid brother used to fly at airshows. As lead for a Royal Navy stunt team :-)

@tylerl not since I was a cocky teenager anyway

Scott Pack

@RoryAlsop I didn't realize they had developed polysyllabic words back then.

Rory Alsop

@ScottPack urgh urgh graaaar

tylerl

@ScottPack any more than 4 letters was a waste

David Freitag

@ScottPack I didn't know they had jet engines back when the T-Rex was the primary predator.

Rory Alsop

He, we did just fine with G, A, T and C

David Freitag

20:59

@RoryAlsop GATTACA

Or was it one T. I can't remember.

Scott Pack

Great movie.

David Freitag

I wonder what it would be like hunting for the T-Rex with a harpoon gun mounted onto a learjet... I bet amazing.

Rory Alsop

@DavidFreitag ...it was too easy... :-)

Scott Pack

Can you imagine how much more awesome Reign of Fire would have been if they showed Matthew McConaughey doing that?

Rory Alsop

@ScottPack Oh - need to watch that again

awesome film

tylerl

21:06

OK. Need the gayest picture of guys and trucks out there

Cause client put "guys and trucks" in his page layout, and i need a placeholder

Scott Pack

You mean like this? 4.bp.blogspot.com/_GIchwvJ-aNk/Sjf3aqhcK2I/AAAAAAAAIVs/…

tylerl

@ScottPack :)

Rory Alsop

@ScottPack you're suspiciously good at finding these pics dude

Scott Pack

@RoryAlsop Now I am become Google, the finder of Bears.

2

@tylerl This one might be slightly less gay. iamstevenmichael.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/…

tylerl

@ScottPack funny though.

i kinda like it. I can insist that it's not offensive.

Scott Pack

21:11

Less so than the first no doubt.

tylerl

This has been up there from the beginning:

Scott Pack

So I've been watching the BBC show from a few years ago Merlin.

I'm finding their understanding of medicine somewhat surprising.

Rory Alsop

@ScottPack isn't that show like using wands and magick, no?

Scott Pack

@RoryAlsop I've yet to see a wand.

Rory Alsop

@ScottPack oh - I was guessing. I haven't seen it

@ScottPack also, TWSS

maybe

Scott Pack

21:23

@RoryAlsop It's...roughly OK. Not good enough to recommend to the wife but not bad to have on in the background while doing something else.

tylerl

@ScottPack isn't the king also in buffy the vampire slayer?

Scott Pack

Apparently so. I've only seen the first few episodes of that show but I thought he looked familiar.

Iszi

@ScottPack Funny you say that. My wife enjoyed it.

tylerl

oldie but goodie

Scott Pack

@tylerl The dude that's kicked in the windshield took too long to draw his weapon.

tylerl

21:34

@ScottPack i imagine he had the element of surprise in his favor

also bear in mind that the other guy suddenly had a windshield in his lap

Scott Pack

A real man would have kicked in that windshield while firing.

Rory Alsop

the backflip is kinda cool though

Scott Pack

Uncontested.

Simon

@DavidFreitag It's my best m8.

Adnan

22:21

@AbeMiessler We like it racist up in this female dog!

@Simon Come here, sweetie. Come here.

Abe Miessler

fecal matter yeah we do

Simon

@Adnan It's too late.

Adnan

@Simon You were dry when I came?

Simon

wat

No I man'd it up.

Adnan

@Simon You said you were crying. Did you stop crying when I came to the DMZ?

Simon

22:22

Which means that my emotions will slowly eat me

Abe Miessler

Until he is eventually the shriveled husk of a man

Simon

QQ

Adnan

@Simon Just internalize whatever you're feeling now, bury it deep down where it can't be reached. Then take it out in 15 years on your children.

Just like a real man would do.

Simon

Sounds like an awesome plan.

Adnan

In the sauna. About a week ago.

Gilles

22:26

@Adnan that's what he said

Adnan

Yeah! 90°C!

Actually, I think that one is 91°C

Simon

@Gilles I felt like saying: "leave it to the youngsters" but it was actually pretty good.

Gilles

beyond the MAC address (obviously), what information does a device send when it connects to a wifi AP?

Simon

Hostname

Adnan

@Simon Go sleep.

Simon

22:28

GN8

Adnan

@Gilles You mean identifying/potentially identifying information?

Or just the whole exchange?

Gilles

@Adnan yes, potentially identifying information about the device

tylerl

Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol

The Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol (DHCP) is a standardized networking protocol used on IP networks that dynamically configures IP addresses and other information that is needed for Internet communication. DHCP allows computers and other devices to receive an IP address automatically from a central DHCP server, reducing the need for a network administrator or a user from having to configure these settings manually. DHCP servers maintain a database of available IP addresses and other kinds of addresses, such as a default route, and one or more DNS server addresses. DHCP may be us...

Gilles

@tylerl I meant the wifi connection part, before dhcp

in a typical open or password-protected wifi (WEP or WPA2-PSK), not with EAP or other enterprisy stuff

Adnan

@Gilles MAC address, SSID, and the security configurations.

I'm not sure how identifying the security configurations are, but they usually contains the security features a client supports

Simon

22:33

@Adnan Don't forget the hostname.

Gilles

I read an article that claims that when a device connects to wifi, it's sending a history of the previous SSIDs it was connecting to, and I'm wondering what this refers to

unfortunately there were no more technical details than this

Adnan

@Gilles Oh yeah, and the client usually sends other stuff such as what speeds it supports.

@Gilles Nope. We've studied 802.11 a while ago and I don't remember any of that.

@Gilles The only SSID sent is the one of the AP to which the client wishes to connect.

Gilles

@Adnan that's what I thought, but I believe the author of the article knows the topic better than me

Adnan

@Gilles Link, please?

Gilles

I was going to ask on sec.se, but the article was so vague I didn't really know what to ask about

@Adnan printed on dead trees

and I don't even have it here

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Q: How does identification currently work with the German identity card?

Since 18th of December 2010 Germany makes use of an identity card that should allow electronic authentication: (image source: commons.wikipedia.org) From a users perspective, the authentication seems to work as follows: A program requests permission to read information (name, birth date an...

^^^^ this question would fit here, right?

Adnan

22:43

@Gilles I think I agree with you

Gilles

on second reading I'm not sure

he seems to know what protocol is used

and he's asking what kind of keys are used, as the protocol allows several choices

Adnan

@Gilles Does he?

Gilles

that might not even be public info

> According to Wikipedia, a protocol called PACE which seems to be similar to PAKE is used (English specifications of PACE are here). I've skipped through the first part of the specification and found:

the more I read the question the less I understand what he really wants

Adnan

23:14

I'm bringing the Not Constructive back.

This question appears to be off-topic because it is not constructive. — Adnan 15 secs ago

Simon

I flagged it as not constructive.

tylerl

@Adnan problem is, that applies to very nearly every question on the site

and certainly everything that happens here

Gilles

@Adnan eeeek, no. Please don't use “not constructive”. It was abandoned as a close reason because no one understood what it meant.

Simon

23:29

#yolo

Adnan

@tylerl Adnan oah come on, live a little. Break some rules, pee in the shower. — Rook Sep 16 at 16:59

Simon

^

Gilles

@Adnan you aren't breaking rules here, but you're doing the wrong thing

Adnan

@Gilles The right things are usually defined by the rules. Thus.. well, you know the rest.

Gilles

@Adnan so things like common sense don't mean anything to you?

Adnan

23:33

@Gilles Are you implying that the close reasons in the SE network fall under the category of 'common sense'?

Please!

Gilles

@Adnan the predefined ones? For the most part, yes

Adnan

@tylerl Were you a party boy? I mean, did you go to a lot of clubs?

tylerl

@Adnan those don't seem to be equavalent

Adnan

@tylerl Alright, let's say the second one.

@Gilles Sorry, I still think the question is not constructive. Characters? What character set? "Letters"? Which letters? Why would he want to type in his key?

He asked a shitty question and answered it, himself, incorrectly.

So, yeah. Not constructive.

Simon

Too broad city central: security.stackexchange.com/questions/45322/…

Gilles

23:37

@Adnan If you can't bother to come up with a comprehensible close reason, don't bother closing

Adnan

@Gilles If the old close reason was vague, I'd say this case we have is the definition of not constructive.

Simon

...

Adnan

@Gilles I did bother to come up with one. In this case, however, you weren't able to comprehend it.

@Gilles So, how about you cast your vote with your own subjectively comprehensible reason?

Simon

@Gilles Seriously, way to get arrogant over a meaningless thing.

Adnan

@Simon Quite understandable on his side. The situation wasn't exactly ideal and I didn't exactly deescalate it. I must be honest, though, he pushed a friendly talk a bit too far.

Simon

23:43

Nope, I actually re-read the conversation to see if it was justified.

Anyway, it's my opinion so who cares.

Adnan

@Simon I guess he's drunk or something. Gilles doesn't usually get personal at that level.

I have just realized that @RoryM is actually Rory McCune and not Rory McCaine.

@Simon The hell is "np bibi"?

Simon

"No problem, bye bye"

Gilles

@Adnan I didn't get personal

@Simon nor arrogant, come on

@Adnan I think you, however, have become ruder in the past couple of months

Adnan

@Gilles I'll disagree. Your statement was both arrogant and personal.

Simon

@Gilles Pretty damn close to arrogance.

Adnan

23:54

@Gilles Please point out anything rude I said in our recent discussion. If that were true, pointing it out would help me a lot in addressing the situation. Please, which part did you feel was rude?

Or was I rude just because I disagreed with you?

Gilles

@Adnan I have no problem with you disagreeing with me, and you weren't rude when you were disagreeing

this, on the other hand:

13 mins ago, by Adnan

@Simon I guess he's drunk or something. Gilles doesn't usually get personal at that level.

either you are drunk, or you need to re-tune your rudeness meter

Simon

Yep, closing the tab. See you tomorrow y'all.

tylerl

@Gilles TBF, it was @Simon who called you arrogant. Which is a bit bold on his part.

Simon

YUP, closing it.

@tylerl There are so many times where I found what he said was very arrogant and I never said a damn thing. Well now, I did and I don't regret it.

See ya.

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