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00:11
Lordy I am Tired.
00:28
uold
i not sleep lately
i have infant
i also own business. very not sleep when own business
Sell it.
(The infant not the business)
not really a market for used babies
besides, the wife likes her
What about selling both of them as a package deal?
i'd just as soon keep the wife
she's pretty hot
doubt I could find a better one with a lifetime of looking
00:40
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@Adnan If you are referring to this one, security.stackexchange.com/questions/44868/… cmon! I got 100+ votes on that answer. :P
01:10
@kalina Stop editing noob
01:23
Stop editing your face!
@ScottPack No, @Simon needs his face edited more. It's vomit-inducing in the current state.
I think it would be a fair statement to say that if a computer ever does something that's actually non-deterministic, that computer is broken. — Schilcote 2 hours ago
It's not his fault he's French.
Well then. I'll bet his school days were unfortunate. iconavulcano.com/design/info
01:43
@ScottPack So's your face.
02:00
@Simon If @kalina wants to spend her time improving the quality of questions, then I am approve. If you want to go cleanup the questions instead and beat her to it, then how about you go do that.
@tylerl Wow.
I'm glad that you're defending her 'cause you know, she's a poor little gurl.
@Simon Please don't start this again...
@TerryChia Start what again?
I'd love to know.
@Simon Read the transcript.
@TerryChia I'm not using a somewhat offending gravatar as far as I know.
02:12
13 hours ago, by kalina
and don't make assumptions and stop being a misogynist
And...?
@Simon Read on....
So much drama lately.
@DavidFreitag Exactly. Hence the "Please don't start this again..."
@TerryChia If she thinks "noob" is an insult so be it.
It seems like people think I'm always dead serious when I post something in here.
Thing is I am serious 10% of the time.
Let's just take a damn chill pill and go back to the day where we would insult each others and everyone was happy.
02:17
@Simon It's the "poor little gurl" part. If she finds it offensive, don't say it.
@TerryChia How is that even SLIGHTLY offensive?
@Adnan Please tell me that I'm not being irrational right now.
@Simon Sweetie, stop it.
@Adnan Aw, this is somewhat calming.
@Simon I don't have a problem with it. But since she does, STOP USING IT AND BE NICE.
@Simon It has nothing to do with rationality. The community has took a stand in this case. It's done.
@Simon Apparently, if the majority decides so, the irrational becomes the new rational.
02:19
Heck, you can call @Iszi a poor little gurl all you want. I'm sure he won't be offended.
But if someone finds it offensive, stop using it when talking to/about them.
You know, at this point, it's not about how minor the edits are.
Really? Am I gonna keep track of what I can say to someone and what I can't to the other one?
This chat has become EXHAUSTIVE. Is it what it's meant to be?
How do we feel about that?
Forget that the Adnan whom you hate is rejecting the edits. Let's focus on our homepage.
02:20
I feel like it's much harder to talk to people here than it is in real life, which should be the damn opposite.
Is this acceptable?
@Simon It used to be so easy around here.
I used to come here to have a laugh. No idea what's the point now.
@Simon The new rational response to that would be: "Well, then fuck off and don't come back".
You know, because you're a guy, it's okay to say that to you.
@Adnan Yes because men are assholes, everybody knows that.
@Simon Took you long enough to get it.
02:24
@Adnan Well, you know, life is a learning experience and learning takes time.
Now, let's put our differences aside and focus on the main issue. Our homepage is being spammed with old questions due to very minor edits.
If the edits substantially improve the question/answers that it becomes a must for our viewers to see it, then I see no problem.
@Adnan According to @tylerl, this is not an issue at all and I should be doing it too.
@Simon Oh, alright then. Never mind me. Move along.
@Adnan In other news, It's 2am. So if you're going to clean up the questions, now's a good time for it. Move along, please
@tylerl Because, you know, it's 2am everywhere.
@Adnan It's late sunday night here, it's later sunday night there. The only people who should be complaining are in China.
@DavidFreitag Ah! Those are always fun. Thank you for posting them
@Adnan I can't help but feel you are being sarcastic...
@DavidFreitag I'm not
@DavidFreitag That one wasn't a 4chan repost. Hence: kudos.
02:28
@Adnan Good, because I'm trying to lighten the mood ;]
@DavidFreitag Which is precisely why I thanked you.
@tylerl I have only reposted 4chan in here once.
@DavidFreitag That's more than enough.
@DavidFreitag So, kudos every time but one. :)
But it was a heartwarming story :[
02:30
@DavidFreitag Was that the one that started with the naked lady pic?
@Adnan Ehem... yes.
@Adnan so, you've heard of 4chan, then.
It was censored, though.
@DavidFreitag Yeah, I couldn't read for more than 6-7 lines.
@tylerl Come to think of it, I've never actually visited that site.
02:31
@Adnan Yep, that was basically me. In high school.
@Adnan All I ever needed to know about /b/ I learned by staring at feces.
Off to school. /later
@tylerl I have no idea what that means.
GN8
@TerryChia See ya
@Adnan Nor do you want to.
02:33
464
Q: Should 'Hi', 'thanks,' taglines, and salutations be removed from posts?

GEOCHETI edit a lot of posts every day. I often run across posts with 'Hi' and 'Thanks' on the top and the bottom of the post respectively. I also run across things like: --User Should these items be removed during the editing of the post by an editor?

@Adnan That's the "random" channel of 4chan. it's where anonymous comes from, as well as all manner of awful. It's what happens when you remove identity from a community; nothing to lose, nothing to gain, no inhibitions. Just try to attract attention.
@tylerl You also spend a lot of time on reddit don't you?
@ScottPack not that either
@tylerl It has to be said, though, that you do seem to know quite a lot on the subject.
@tylerl You probably help moderate /r/sysadmin don't you?
02:37
@DavidFreitag I study computer security, and am particularly interested in identity. But Reddit vs 4chan is an interesting case study; one allows you to maintain a false identity, one has no identity mechanism at all.
@tylerl Heh, nice cover ;]
@ScottPack I'm sure I could. I'm here instead.
@DavidFreitag There was in interesting academic study that I'm having trouble finding about mechanics of how online attention works. One of the major things examined was the average lifetime of a post on /b/ and whether it got attention. I think she said it was on the order of a third of a second or something.
I'm sure the world would be a better place without it, but you have to wonder what would take its place
I honestly don't know that the world would be a better place without 4chan.
02:58
@DavidFreitag Obviously it's impossible to tell. But there have been reported instances of people posting their intentions there before doing something horrible, like going off to kill someone (e.g. the Connecticut preschool incident). And then everybody just say "do it" because the that's the nature of the place. So... would things have happened different otherwise?
But before that, they used to post their intentions on some underground vampire forum or whatever. So maybe having all the crap consolidated into one cesspool is a good thing? Who knows.
All I can say for certain is blocked at my router
03:15
@tylerl Aw no 4chan for the kiddies?
@DavidFreitag I shouldn't even have to answer that
Hey @kalina, when did you actually go to bed last night?
@tylerl It was a joke, and in hindsight, i feel like i need a shower after saying that.
Just wait until they figure out how to actually use Toredo.
@ScottPack I'm one of the few parents who can realistically expect to be one step ahead of my kids wrt technology
at least until they're 16 or so
cause by boy is already frighteningly smart.
Yeah, that happens.
03:22
@ScottPack Today at dinner he was talking about how aquifers are made. Yesterday it was the tensile strength of steel. He's 4.
@tylerl Go easy on the Krillitane oil, man.
@tylerl I can relate.
04:15
@kalina After reading that question now you know how old I am. Crafty!
04:28
@Adnan how old are you?
 
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05:52
Srsly?
0
Q: which US university has the best PhD program in hardware security?

abcI am an Electrical Engineering Master's student. My research area is hardware security. After graduating, I would like to pursue a PhD. I know the term "best" can be subjective, but in your opinion, which US university has the best PhD program in hardware security?

06:30
@tylerl Hogwarts.
@TerryChia brilliant
@StackExchange LOL!
07:23
About 7 months ago, I went through the questions and sorted them into or . There were 11 questions.
After doing so, I noticed a comment warning about doing such mass edits.
For the record, let's please be careful about retagging these. You don't want to do more than a handful at a time, and let them get to the bottom of the front page before doing another batch. Also look at the front page before doing a set in case someone else has already done some recently. — Scott Pack May 1 at 17:10
I know, it's a general comment. It's not directly about me making the edits.
Next day after I made those edits:
May 5 at 2:08, by Scott Pack
@Adnan Dumbass.
Even after that, we were still talking about how I messed the front page
May 5 at 5:33, by TildalWave
@TerryChia @Adnan's messed it up a bit with re-tagging so there's loads of those and questions on the front page. I haven't seen any of your answers there (didn't check all of them tho), so maybe time to do proof-reading on some gooden oldens of yours and correct grammar and spelling on them? Still, it's Sunday so it might not matter that much, last few were dead as a dodo.
And, mind you, they weren't suggested edits. I had 4k at that point (IIRC)
So, yes. We did take a different stand on this case for the reasons I stated earlier. We did treat it differently. Especially the exact same person who ridiculed the practice 6 moths ago (I said 7 first, I'm bad at simple math, apparently).
With that wall of text, this will be the last time I speak of this incident. Now, back to normal (whatever that is).
07:49
@TerryChia I got the general idea, but didn't quite get what the two column for passwords or the two types of boxes of the colors meant. O_0
@ManishEarth I think it's because since Adobe was using ECB mode, you can pick up certain "patterns" in the encrypted password. It's not so much two columns but a much longer password?
ah
and what about the two types of boxes?
text boxes and grid-text boxes?
@ManishEarth Dunno. Ask Randall. :P
08:15
@ManishEarth each block is 8 characters (or more precisely 8 bytes, but most people stick to ASCII in passwords anyway). Every block but the last one contains 8 password characters, and the last one contains 0 to 8 characters plus some padding (I haven't seen which padding mode they use, the range may be 0–7 or 1–8 or 1–7)
oh, there are final blocks that are also non-final, that does tell us something about the padding scheme
quite possibly they simply padded with null bytes, which is not ok for general data but is ok for passwords that don't contain null bytes
A block that appears in a non-final position always corresponds to 8 characters → grid
A block that only appears in a final position could be anywhere from 1 to 7 characters → box
08:52
I'm a happy man today.
These came in the mail.
@TerryChia What are those magnificent things?
@Adnan Custom in ear monitors.
@TerryChia They look great!
@TerryChia Like televisions for your ears?
@Adnan Mmmm. They sound great as well. :P
@DavidFreitag Hehe.
09:00
@TerryChia If you don't mind my asking, how much did they cost you?
@DavidFreitag Oh, he doesn't mind.
He worked for RedHat, he has the moneyz
@Adnan I at least always try to be polite :p
@DavidFreitag Oh, you molo!
@Adnan That must be some non-American thing.
@DavidFreitag I bought a set of Westone 4 2 years ago that retail for about $500. The cabling broke a couple of months ago so I got them reshelled for about $200. (Prices in USD)
09:03
@DavidFreitag Well, apparently, mofo is used instead of 'motherf*****'. I used it because you were jokingly implying I'm not polite. The reason I said molo instead of mofo is because I wanted it to resemble motherlover more than the other one.
@TerryChia I dare say, that's a bit ridiculous. They had better feel like heaven gently caressing your ears.
@Adnan Oh.. i didn't mean to imply that, sorry..
@DavidFreitag Thing is, I used them daily for 2 years. Was pretty rough with them as well. Money well spent for me personally. :P
And they were very comfortable for long hours of use.
@DavidFreitag Oh come on! Sorry for what? I never think you mean a bad thing. You're my.. ummm.. homie, like @Simon
@TerryChia Honestly i prefer over-the-ear headphones, but that's because all of the inner ear ones i have used get painful after a while.
@DavidFreitag It's the opposite for me, my ears get very hot and stuffy after using the over-the-ear types.
09:06
Ahhh.. I can't believe I used 'homie'. I better just go drink myself to sleep, there's no point of anything anymore.
Also, I prefer speakers.
That and i usually always prefer wireless headphones over the wired kind, even at the loss of quality.
Plus the ones I have are much more portable.
@Terry - what brand did you go for? I'm looking to properly set up my on stage wireless gear, and will need to have wireless in ear monitors in order to run around as much as I want
@Adnan I would love a set of good speakers, but that's not really realistic in an apartment building.
and are they the ones moulded from your ear canal? I'd need them, as standard in ear phones hurt - guessing my ear canal is non standard (pre-imperial)
09:08
@RoryAlsop Mine are reshelled Westones. I love that brand.
@RoryAlsop Yeah, you get ear impressions from an audiologist.
I'll get a look at them and check out local pricings
@Gilles About the KeePass tag. I used to hold the same opinion regarding using our own words for the long description, but then I saw that it's very inefficient. Writing a small essay for each of our tags is not a great idea. The description provided by KeePass themselves is acceptable. As for the excerpt, I don't think we need to tell somebody hovering over the tag about what platform keepass supports. One thing I believe you were right about is the second half; it's bad.
@Adnan Ah well, here goes me trying to be nice again ;]
@Gilles I've made it slightly better.
09:14
It's 4:15 and i have work in a few hours. This... is going to be an interesting monday.
@RoryAlsop You might wanna check out ACS as well. hearingprotection.co.uk/…
They offer IEMs made from silicone, which should be more comfortable for long periods compared to plastic.
@RoryAlsop You should get a pair of bone contact headphones
@LucasKauffman Noon
Or, do what i do: Get a pair of piezo elements and some silicone paste :]
@DavidFreitag That doesn't appear very suited for stage use. No isolation whatsoever. :P
09:17
@TerryChia It beams sound right into your brain though, how much cooler could a pair of headphones possibly get?
10:13
@Kalina - as mentioned before, while edits are welcome, pleasemake sure they are substantive (ie not just removing 'thanks') and please don't do 20 at a time - it kills our front page. A couple a day works well, and lets new questions get the attention they need.
@RoryAlsop God damn it! Now I feel bad about my making-a-point edits.
Sorry, everybody.
It was childish of me to engage in the same activity that others and I, myself, deemed disruptive.
Wasn't calling you out @Adnan- I just saw the entire front page was Kalina's - with a range of very old posts in there as well as newer ones
sometimes it can be useful to bring an old post to the front page if it deserves more attention, but generally doing it this way just makes things difficult
@RoryAlsop Oh, absolutely, I didn't think you were. I just automatically felt bad about it.
You know, being the great/nice person I am *angel face*
@Adnan in my experience copy-pasting from the official site or from Wikipedia results in a poor tag wiki. Yours is no exception. There's a lot of irrelevant fluff and little about how the concept relates to our community (in this case: security)
10:34
@Gilles Fair enough.
> He has been able to follow the making of Sonata Arctica’s new album and even taken saunas with his favourite musicians.
I'd like to take sauna with the guys from Ensiferum.
@Adnan that sounds very gay
not that there is anything wrong with that
10:49
@LucasKauffman Heeeey! The sauna experience is stripped of sexuality.
Unless you're in the UK, where it is indeed stripped but with a lot of sexuality.
@Lamia Finally, you're here!
@Adnan This is the first time you say such a thing, what's going on :O
@Lamia I'm just making you feel extra welcomed.
I'm trying to build up the façade of me being nice and all.
I seem to be doing quite a good job at it.
@Adnan Well, thank you for that.
Except when saying things like "I'm trying to build up the façade of me being nice and all."
@Adnan Now you're failing :p
10:54
Adnan is actually quite nice and civilized
@copy That's the facade part.
Well, at least compared to @Simon
Indeed he's always nice
@copy Oh sure. Even cavemen are more civilized than @Simon.
10:57
@Adnan He did qualify that statement 2 messages down.
Nyeh
@copy God damn it! That Avatar is still cute!
I know!
@copy Is that how you get all the ladies?
Absolutely
10:59
@Adnan All? He only needs @paste.
Copy: Hey girl, wanna see my StackExchange avatar?
Girl: Mmmm.. OHMYGOD!! SO CUTE!! Mgfagffggfjghfhhghfhfgfggffgfggfg
@paste can confirm that
@TerryChia Whatever you say, sir.
what is the best tool to remote control a cell phone via Bluetooth :p
@Lamia I know of no such tool. I've only heard of the other way around; I've seen a couple of tools to control a PC from a cell phone via Bluetooth.
11:02
@Adnan Yeah, I was only wondering if it's possible because I've seen that in Person of Interest and I want to find out if that's real :p
I found one but not for that certain purpose
@Lamia Oh, it is possible. I've done it a few times, but I don't remember using a tool for that purpose.
there used to be some vulnerabilities in Bleutooth v1
which was found on older phones, you could dump contact lists
@Lamia I remember doing that by directing AT commands to the COM port on which the Bluetooth device connected.
or be a prick like me and make the phone start playing tunes during class
I know windows mobile 5 and 6 had tools available for bluetooth
@Lamia Of course, that requires the device to be paired with the computer.
@Lamia For more info on AT commands, check this sparkfun.com/datasheets/Cellular%20Modules/…
11:08
So there's no such tool to do everything for me.. god
@Lamia Yup, the tool your mentioned doesn't exist.
That was a good atheism joke. Self-highfive.
@Lamia But, seriously, AT commands are quite easy.
There is a tool can be installed on a cell phone to control another cell phone (nothing needs to be installed on the target phone). I don't remember the name. I'll try to find it.
@Adnan Good to know, because I found some names and maybe I shouldn't trust it
@Adnan This is exactly what I need
@Lamia Yup, here you go gallery.mobile9.com/f/317828
I've personally used this one (a different version). Quite neat. It has a gazillion functionality.
@Adnan 2013 tool, very good.
Thank you!
11:13
Btw @Adnan, Do you know that your name is an Arabic name? :p
@Lamia I didn't know that. What does it mean?
@Adnan Emm, I'm not quiet sure but it means.. emmm the person who rarely move from place to place ? I guess?
@Adnan It's an adjective
@Lamia Well, that sucks.
11:44
@Adnan What does it mean ?
morning
lol that's interesting @Lamia
i have an arabic surname
@Lamia I mean it sucks that my name means "the person who rarely move from place to place". That's.. disappointing.
@deed02392 What is it?
Hafiz
@deed02392 "Preserver"
hehehehe
i think the more common translation is "remember" or "memory"
11:47
@Adnan It is, what does it really mean in your country
@deed02392 Or, contextually, the person who learns and memorizes the Qur’an.
@Lamia The exact same thing.
indeed
what does it mean in my country?
@deed02392 Oh, I translated it as a verb. As a noun, it means "The RememberER"
hahaa
yea i like that
It could be a nice superhero name
11:49
the name's George
George THE REMEMBERER
@deed02392 The same.
But, here's the thing, recently it has been a very hated name in Syria.
do not fear lady in burning building, george "the rememberer" hafiz is here to memorise the day
(or very loved one, depending on how you look at it)
hatred/love it's all the same really
@deed02392 So, your father South/Middle Asian?
The way you wrote the name says that it's not coming form an Arabic-speaking country (although the name itself is indeed Arabic)
11:53
the way I wrote it?
my dad is half Pakistani
@deed02392 YES!
@deed02392 Do you really want to know?
what?
@deed02392 You asked what I meant by saying "the way you wrote it", no?
kerron @Adnan
@deed02392 Orryt.
12:38
I got a pretty stupid question about VMs. Maybe someone can enlighten me. :P
How exactly does setting the processor core/clock in something like VirtualBox works?
Hmm ok, scratch the clock. It only allows me to set the core count.
Does the VM actually limit itself to running on one hardware core all the time, or is the concept of cores in a VM abstracted away?
You could see for yourself in the host's task manager or so
My guess is that it uses a real core per emulated core
it does depend on what virtualisation solution you're using @TerryChia
@deed02392 VirtualBox in my case.
but generally it will use a real core per emulated core as @copy says. you'll often find you can only choose as many vcores as you have physical cores
so I do think if you give it one core and you have a 4 core cpu, one of your cores will take all the load
@deed02392 Ah I see. VirtualBox's interface seems to agree with this since it warns me about performance degradation if I set more than 8 cores.
12:49
but then maybe hyperthreading happens on top of that, guess it depends what instructions your CPU supports in the way of supporting virtualisation
@copy @TerryChia YOU WANT MY NON-CIVILIZED ASS TO KICK YOURS?
@Simon That isn't very Canadian of you.
13:30
So if i wanted to map something.ourwebsite.com to an ip address in our domain using only our DNS, do i need to create a new zone, or just a new A record?
@DavidFreitag A record i think.
An A record would be fine. Creating a new zone would only be useful if you're delegating responsibility down or will have a bunch of A records with the same subname.
Alright, thanks @Scott and @Terry
You're going to have a zone for ourwebsite.com anyway.
Well, the dns is being hosted by the domain controller
13:32
If you start doing things like hostname.hr.ourwebsite.com then you'll want to start thinking about zones.
@DavidFreitag That doesn't really change anything at this level of conversation.
Wait.
Is your AD domain ourwebsite.com?
No
Our website isn't hosted here
Ok good. I was afraid I was going to have to sick @mdmarra on you.
@ScottPack I sense a story.
@TerryChia After a long night of drinking and a bad decision, @ScottPack and...
@ScottPack Heh, you think we actually have the talent around here to actually design and host a whole website?
With Google+ embedded to leave comments, that's funny.
It's not uncommon to see people use their TLD as their AD domain. And that breaks lots of things.
@ScottPack Ah. Right.
@ScottPack Was there a storm on Thursday night?
Mark knows his stuff, but I like to poke him with bad realm names so that he can stay nice and frothy for when I need to pull him in to chastise someone for doing it wrong.
@Simon There was. The worst of it was all south of here.
Trick or Treating was quite windy and drizzly, though.
13:37
@ScottPack Oh so you did go, good.
It was 14C (57F) here. Really hot for this time of the year.
Some of the communities around here pushed it off until Saturday.
Oh, that's nice.
Ours was time shifted, but still happened on Thursday.
Was your Southern Belle fancy and all?
She was. Too windy to wear her sun hat, but she really seemed to enjoy it.
13:41
Hehe.
@ScottPack how long should it take for the dns entry to propagate across the network? Instantly?
@DavidFreitag By network do you mean Internet?
@ScottPack No, network as in across the domain
@DavidFreitag Should be pretty fast. It'll have to be replicated between the DCs. There is a replication interval but some things replicate "instantly" and I'm not sure if DNS is one of them. Anything that's caching may wait a little bit as well.
If you're changing an A record then you'll have to wait for the TTL to expire.
Sometimes.
All A record responses must have a TTL, but the clients or recursive servers are not required to honor the TTL.
"On June 18, 1980, she demonstrated the multiplication of two 13-digit numbers 7,686,369,774,870 × 2,465,099,745,779 picked at random by the Computer Department of Imperial College, London. She correctly answered 18,947,668,177,995,426,462,773,730 in 28 seconds."
13:45
@ScottPack If it's a new A record I thought TTL didn't apply?
@TerryChia Right.
If you're changing it you'll have to wait for the TTL. If you're adding it then you're not really changing it.
We had a case a few years ago where we consolidated a server from a department's closet into the central data center. The website it hosted was a CNAME with a 30 day TTL, and the A record that the CNAME pointed to was also a 30 day TTL.
For those keeping track at home that migration took up to 60 days for the records to propogate.
@ScottPack Ouch!
I thought the "standard" TTL time for DNS is 24 hours?
I had to draw a flow-chart for them to really get it. They weren't schlubs but we discovered they didn't really get how the different bits of DNS worked together.
Could be, I'm not sure.
@ScottPack Can't blame them. DNS is kinda complex.
It's weird. DNS itself really isn't all that complex. It's just so distributed, even internally, that it's awkward to think about how the different components react to each other.
13:54
@ScottPack Well, it's not complex if you are a sysadmin that deals with it on a daily basis. If you are an outsider looking in, it's pretty scary with all the different record types and such.
That's what I mean, it's a fair big like Legos. All the different pieces are fairly small and make sense. They just have to be sometimes plugged together in weird ways to make your wall work.
legos 4 lyfe
@Simon Until you step on one of them.
@TerryChia Oh man... That hurts.
Minecraft is better anyway. You can't build a working calculator with Lego.
13:58
I don't know what's worse, stepping on Legos or stepping on 4-sided dice.
@ScottPack Do a double-blind test and let us know the results.
^ The only way to find out.
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