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19:11
What on earth?
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@DavidFreitag It's your apache config. You need to set up either perl CGI, perl fastcgi, or mod_perl to interpret the pl files instead of just displaying them.
@ScottPack ah you've not encountered weebl and bob before... there is much pie'ness there
19:27
hmm a OS Security product who's installation instructions involve becoming root then piping the result of wget of a URL directly into sh ....
@RoryMcCune hahahahaha
@ScottPack you need to watch ALL of Weebl and Bob, followed by rathergood.com :-)
@Adnan - this make sense to you?
19:43
@RoryMcCune surprisingly common.
Though arguably no less secure than downloading a file and installing it, all else being equal
@tylerl yeah I've seen it in a lot of dev products, just a little surprised/disappointed that a security product wouldn't at least provide an MD5/SHA-1 sum that could be checked...
@RoryMcCune if the MD5/SHA1 is on the same site as the download....kinda defeats the purpose.
Now, GPG signature with keys obtained out-of-band...
that's something
@tylerl sure I've always thought that was a bit useless, I'd say announce via a separate channel/site. but as you say really it should be signed all the way for that kind of thing...
Key distribution is an issue, of course. But apt/yum do have the important framework in place once you get the keys sorted
@AJHenderson Meow!
20:00
@RoryMcCune If the MD5/SHA-1 is on the main HTTPS-powered Web site, then the download itself can use plain HTTP, FTP, Torrent... whatever is efficient for bulk data.
Of course, if the MD5 or SHA-1 is obtained over plain HTTP, then that's kinda weak. However, it still demonstrates some level of care.
20:16
@RoryMcCune What?!
WHAT?!
Lord have mercy! What the hell was that?
@Adnan that was a BUUURN
@RoryAlsop Honestly, that didn't sound very Finnish to me. I mean, I can definitely recognize some words. It could be the loud music masking the lyrics.
Also, Atomic Secured Linux is ... meh.
@Adnan wrong @rory methinks. T'was elder rory with the slow internet access who posted that one..
20:19
@tylerl yeah that was the feeling I was getting lots of stuff shoved into a package, but it felt a bit kitchen-sink approach to security..
@Adnan yeah - it appeared on Reddit and I thought of you :-)
@RoryMcCune Atomic made their name building a package infrastructure for people running Plesk. So they're kinda tainted in my book
@RoryAlsop Ahaaa! I've just looked the band up. Apparently they're Estonian en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winny_Puhh
TIL that it costs an average of $3 of electricity to calculate the WPA2 key of a standard AT&T UVerse modem.
Now I know why I was able to recognize some words.
20:21
@tylerl ah yeah I was doing some googling on them and it did seem heavy on the hosting company side of things...
@Adnan The best part of the whole video is when you get to the end, you see the audience:
It looks like they're at an art gallery
ah, look at this post-modern exhibit of unusual sound
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21:27
@tylerl I couldn't continue after 1 minute.
@Adnan you only last a minute?!
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@kalina Usually yes.
goddamit, no wonder you're single
@kalina yeah, cause that's the reason
@kalina Recently, though, I started thinking of you. It helps me last way longer.
21:31
@Adnan this must be your deep desire to please me
@kalina That would be a very good one had I been single.
I'm glad I can be of assistance
@kalina Or just my pure disgust of you?
Let's go with whatever helps you sleep at night, desire and whatnot.
@Adnan if I disgusted you, you'd lose it and never finish
@Adnan you think of a blue flying pony? You are a sick man.
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21:33
@tylerl please add "during sex" to this, so I can star it
@kalina Ahaaa, so that's why that has been happening lately.
@Adnan you're backtracking on yourself so much
@kalina Come on, the humor is so much better when it's just implied.
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@Iszi 10 stars > 2 stars
@kalina Recently I started Kaling myself, though.
21:34
kaling?
@Adnan waiting for definition
@tylerl I think he means orgasming in his sleep
@kalina That also.
Wow. It actually is a word. Just still doesn't make sense in this context. urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=kaling
21:36
byeeee backtrack
@Iszi how incredibly racist
it's a good job this isn't the bridge!
@Iszi Well, @kalina is Indian. So somehow it's relevant.
I'm Indian?
interesting
@kalina Learn something new here every day, don't you?
@Iszi I know
21:37
I suppose if anyone on the Internet would be learning more about you than you know yourself, it should be this crowd.
shame that since I've been here I've learned nothing about the subject of this stack exchange
@kalina You don't have to feel shameful about being incapable of learning.
I sure don't.
@kalina Heh. I could say the same of a few other SEs, but I don't really spend that much time on them either. I think I've got 101 rep (or not much more) on probably a dozen or so SEs.
I'm not incapable of learning, you guys just talk about shit
9 mins ago, by kalina
@Adnan you only last a minute?!
21:39
@Iszi I have 103 here! It's hardly the same
Now, fuck off.
@Adnan as you can see, that was a response
@kalina Oh, see you're missing the point of this room then. is way down the priority list here. You want too really learn security? Check out the main site.
@kalina To me telling @tylerl I couldn't watch the whole video.
@Adnan what is the internet if it isn't a place to take things out of context?
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21:40
@kalina When you start a juvenile conversation, commit to it. Now go back to your drugs.
I'm completely sober
@kalina Speaking of, why am I? I've got a 12 pack I haven't touched in days...
BRB
@Iszi Dude, you're 31.
He's 31?!
I thought he was much younger than that
@kalina That's why I said, "go back to your drugs".
21:42
@Adnan I've quit everything, cold turkey, pending moving into a house I'm not allowed to consume them in
@kalina Good for you. Hopefully you won't fuck up another thing.
Hm. What archive filetype starts with "TAPE"
@tylerl TAR?
@kalina Wait... that doesn't make sense. You're quitting until you move somewhere that you're not allowed to use [insert drug of preference here] in?
@Adnan on which note, you should stop pushing buttons during this phase before you inadvertently upset me, resulting in me finding where you live and burning down every property within a square mile of your location
@Iszi no, I'm quitting in preparation for moving into a place I can't do them
21:44
@kalina If you can only narrow him down to a square mile, then you do have some learning to do.
since I'd rather be agitated and hateful now than then
@Iszi no it's not that, I don't care about collateral damage
killing an entire country to rid the world of @Adnan is still for the greater good
@Adnan Well, hello:
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Q: Filetype ".bak" starts with "TAPE"

unknown (google)I realize this isn't strictly a programming question, but I have a file with the extension .bak, and the file starts with "TAPE". What program produced this?

Apparently this whole Q-A thing is good for soemthing.
@tylerl occasionally
the rest of the time it just attracts spammers
@kalina I bet you'll just forget to bring a lighter/matches. Apparently, you have a habit of forgetting things essential to certain tasks.
@kalina Why limit it to one square mile then? Burn Your Planet! (CC @RoryAlsop ;-) )
21:46
@Iszi cc @Rory
?
@Iszi definitely
what sec folks can discover about you
@RoryAlsop Holy crap, that's recent!
@Iszi or better yet, www.metaltech.me
@RoryAlsop That's surprisingly not Google-friendly.
@Iszi that'll be my lack of skills in SEO
but I must do something about it
@kalina of course cc me - it's my song, dagnabbit!
21:55
@RoryAlsop I like you use words like "dagnabbit" while talking about a song named "Burn Your F*cking Planet"
@tylerl Hey - I'm not singing vocals, I'm simply being a guitarist. If Erik Tricity wants to sing profanity who am I to say no :-)
Oh, I suppose I should have marked it NSFW...sorry
@RoryAlsop Isn't that one of the guys behind the DEFCON Social Engineering CTF report this year?
22:11
@Iszi yeah, I think that's right
@RoryAlsop I recognized the reference to dropping a USB drive outside the wife's Pilates studio.
And I literally just finished skimming the DEFCON report about an hour ago.
hi, hoping to get my question reopened as I don't think it's a dupe (and I've fixed the answer-with-questions issue). Need one more vote. Can anyone help out / suggest anything remaining that needs to be improved?
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Q: Protecting computers from quick physical access attacks

MichaelWhat steps need to be taken to protect a computer from quick attacks that involve physical access? (Note unlike this question, I'm primarily interested in stopping the attacks, not detecting them; also I'm only interested in very time limited attacks in this question) The scenario is protecting...

The fundamental problem with that question isn't so much being duplicate, as it is being limited in scope and usability. The ~30 second vulnerability window is absurd. Hardly a single system in the world, let alone any personal system, is so well-protected by nature that 30 seconds is the largest window any attacker will ever have for physical access to it.
@Iszi SpiderLabs does a weekly podcast. Though it's mostly just Space Rogue ranting about responsible disclosure.
@Michael I agree with Iszi. The scope is a bit silly. It's like saying "I want to build a cage for a tiger, but let's just assume that he's not going to use teeth for anything"
22:27
In any case, the recommendations are going to be more or less the same as several already-answered questions on this site: Physically secure your computer when not in use via whatever locking mechanisms are available or feasible. Protect the OS with a strong password and lock the session whenever you're away. Lock down the BIOS and boot order. Use whole-disk encryption.
In fact, I'm pretty sure I've given that exact answer - though in a much more verbose form - on no less than four questions across Sec.SE & SU.
hm, maybe I've not expressed myself then. It's also to do with capabilities of attacker - I'm not worried about people who have invested a lot of preparation in targetting me in particular, it's opportunistic attacks
the two example I give in the question show that it is not absurd - these are real use cases that it is worth considering how to protect against
@Michael True, but the implied assumption is that these are the only physical attack scenarios worth protecting the system against.
@Michael Again, the usefulness of the answers would be ridiculously restricted. There's not a whole lot of computer owners out there who are really worried, let alone only worried, about protecting their systems against the technically inept.
@Michael The advice for how to protect a computer in a more adverse scenario than yours still work for yours. I recognize that your situation is unique, as is everyone's. But if you want someone to analyze your specific requirements, then hire a consultant.
Where's the Too Localized button when we need it, eh @tylerl?
@Iszi yar
22:31
Maybe they are. If I carry my phone in my pocket and sleep beside it, but then leave it in a different room / semi-public place for a short while, actually that is the only physical attack you need to worry about
Now, back to our regularly-scheduled time-wasting discussion.
I summon @kalina
I was summoned
heh, ok, I will leave it at that and see if anyone else feels differently
@kalina we need some un-serious discussion here
Did someone say un-serious?
22:33
Ah, there. @Simon, meet @kalina.
I don't like ponies but I like the color blue. I'm confused.
@Michael So, you never go swimming at hotels or water parks? What do you do with it when you go on a roller coaster? You get in a car accident and are air-lifted, unconscious, to the nearest hospital - who's looking after your phone then?
@Simon Rainbow has multi-colored hair. Maybe that'll help
@tylerl Still a pony.
22:35
FOR PONY!!!!
@Iszi Please, some professionalism, sir.
I almost puked.
@Simon Embrace the pony. Just not the way @Adnan does. Cause that would be disguesting.
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Bah, I need to get back to work if I ever plan on getting off before the start of the next workday anyway.
22:38
@Iszi That's my man.
@tylerl They're overrated.
@Simon No. Not just no - hell no. I will never, under any condition or circumstance, be your man. So, stop dreaming about it right now.
@Iszi You're right because @ScottPack is.
@Simon I'll accept that apology.
Oh man, I'm so gonna watch Shooter for the 587435th time tonight.
22:49
@kalina Like if you're really sad.
Turns out I won't watch Shooter, more mechanics to do. See ya.
23:00
@kalina I have never seen an actual horse sit like that. Apparently ponies are horse-shaped puppies.
@tylerl I managed to be able to run the *.cgi scripts by symlinking a file from /etc/apache2/mods-available to /etc/apache2/mods-enabled but now i'm getting a 500 error when it tries to load css files
23:29
@DavidFreitag acutally, yes.
@tylerl haha, make up your mind, man!
usually you use a2enmod to do that though
a2enmod to enable a mod, a2dismod to disable it.
I thought you had said that you symlinked the entire damn directory
I tried that, it wasn't installed. When i tried to apt-get it, lube couldn't find it, and i wasn't in the mood to search for the repository
Yeah it was cgi.someextensionidontremember or something like that.
if it's in mods-available, then it's installed
cause that's where it shows up
yuo just have to spell the mod right
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I'm so good at this reviewing thing
23:32
@DavidFreitag You know, you could always look over at SuperUser
:-P~
@tylerl It's what i was doing.
Because there could be no greater insult than being sent to SuperUser. :)
@tylerl Any ideas as to why *.css files are returning a http 500 error though?
@DavidFreitag See in the log files
I'd have to see the configuration to say. That's like saying "My car is making loud noises when I turn it on. Any idea why"
23:34
@copy /var/log/apache2/error.log shows nothing
@DavidFreitag there's lots of logs
It's literally a fresh install of apache2.
But my guess is that it's either trying to execute teh CSS file, or perhaps a local configuration for that directory is erroring
tail -f -n0 /var/log/apache2/*
then request, and see what shows up
Could it be a permissions problem? Everything in the directory is chowned to www-data:www-data
Really could be anything
Wanna give me root?
23:36
I'm not at work right now... It'll have to wait until the morning.
I would accept it's firewalled and ssh isn't setup yet.
I promise to not install any more backdoors than absolutely necessary.
So, 1 per device
Whatever, all you will see is a mysql database and an install of bugzilla 4.4.1
So, what is a good list of the log files related to apache2?
@DavidFreitag Your apache config
Grep for "Log"
or, when apache is running, /proc/<apachepid>/fd
ls -l of course
I'm not nearly experienced in Linux enough to completely understand what you just said.
23:41
sigh
I'll buy you a case of beer.
do this: grep -r Log /etc/apache2/
shoudl be reaonsably short
if you're using a debian variant, they'll stick ${APACHE_LOG_DIR} in there. Which you'll find in /etc/apache2/envvars
Alright, I'll try that... I probably should have waited until tomorrow, when i was actually at work to reply to you.
@tylerl That would be ubuntu, so yes, debian.
this will solve your linux issues: sudo rm -rf /
yeah. ubuntu does it too
@kalina funny story about that
23:45
@tylerl run it before have you?
client called, needed malware removed from his website. Quoted him some number that was more than he wanted to pay. "I'll give it to one of my internal admins" he says.
client calls again 3 days later "server won't boot" he says....
internal admin found the malware and deleted it: "rm -rf /some/dir/*"
except dir contained a symlink to /
and /* expanded symlinks.
That's almost as bad as the time i ran sudo find . -type f chmod 000 {} \; on /
"not sure what happened" says admin. it was deleting the files just fine, and then I started getting errors about missing libraries. So I rebooted the server.
23:48
I hope you laughed
@tylerl So you just had him restore the files from the trashbin, right?
@DavidFreitag yeah.... no backups. server was the only copy. data belonged to over 100 different clients. Very nearly bankrupted the company.
@tylerl Yeah, i guess that's not really a matter to be kidding about... Recuva ftw i guess.
@DavidFreitag Oh, I've gotten that one almost a dozen times. Except it's in the form of "I was getting an error in my PHP script, and I was following a solution on a blog..."
@tylerl Yep, that's pretty much how i find all of my linux-based solutions.
23:51
chown -R user:group /
Yeah, that would fudge things pretty good
Wouldn't it complain that there was no user user and no user group group though?
@DavidFreitag mostly recoverable. Takes several days. Usually just move the valuable data to a new server.
@DavidFreitag yes, well you replace the user:group with your own. But the blog says "replace /somedirectory/" with your document root, and the client thinks "my site is example.com/" so the path is "/"
@tylerl yeah, I would end up nuking from orbit
@DavidFreitag yes, well; you'd be completely unsurprised by the percentage of people for whom the server is the only updated copy.
@tylerl That just makes no sense. It's like "This is what our entire business is built on, it's the one weakness. Should we spend the extra money to do regular backups? Nah."
23:57
@DavidFreitag Often they're advertising or branding companies. They offer web hosting as a side-business or courtesy. They don't see it as their core business. But they're still responsible for it if the fuk it up.
@tylerl I have a system in place for my musical projects, nightly a full copy is moved to each of my other pcs, and then a copy is uploaded to google drive
why businesses don't do that with stuff that could put them out of business is beyond me
@kalina smart girl.
I didn't go as far as adding versioning functionality, it's a pretty simple combination of a tiny c# project and the google drive app
I do versioning manually in the sequencer
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