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12:10
@AviD @TildalWave @ManishEarth I'm not sure trying to exclude the association bonuses is worthwhile, unless we find that half or more of our users with non-trivial rep didn't have it. Because by that token you might as well exclude bounties as well.
@ScottPack those are exactly the 2 points I was making.
@AviD At first I was all about stripping the association bonus. Then I changed.
I saw things man.
@ScottPack I dont care about the bonus, but I wanted to remove the users who consist ONLY of the bonus.
because they shouldnt really be counted as users.
lets call it: "Active users".
hence my suppoort of @ManishEarth's proposal of counting only users with at least one upvoted post.
Sure.
I'll take that one step further then I'll use an example to prove why my idea might not be great.
We should exclude any user who has no posts. Even a single post indicates they tried to get involved in the site.
I was interested in reputation earned on sec.se
because that makes the "I have 0.1%" of total rep more meaningful
12:16
However, even a single upvoted post can potentially skew things. Take a look at this schlub on U&L
hey
@CodesInChaos Stripping out the association bonus only makes sense if we find that a sufficient percentage of people don't have it.
@CodesInChaos In which case you need to remove the association bonus from users who have it, not subtracting 100 from every user.
@ScottPack I was more bothered by spammers and trolls and such.
unfortunately I didn't find a good indication for users who received the bonus.
@CodesInChaos rep == 1 && upvoted posts == 0 ...
12:18
what are you talking about?
@ScottPack hehe
@M'vy your mom
ofc
@AviD But for a user with assoc bonus who has 111 rep, I only want to count that as 10 rep
@CodesInChaos well then you can subtract the 101 rep....
best query I found is SELECT SUM(IIF(Reputation>=101,Reputation-101,Reputation-1)) FROM Users which assumes every user over 100 rep received the bonus
I don't understand your rep == 1 && upvoted posts == 0 test
12:22
well if you have time to query, can't you just check every user questions and anwsers and count the upvotes?
There is a reputation type code that defines whether that rep came from an answer/question upvote or from association.
@AviD NURD.
@CodesInChaos sorry, was supposed to be 101.
I don't know if that type code makes it into the SEDE.
@ScottPack i think it does not.
12:23
@AviD Oh I saw on scifi where someone, basically, asked the question we had about telepaths in the Cinematic universe. I also saw where you commented on it.
@CodesInChaos we're actually aiming for different things - you are trying to remove the bonus from all users who have it, I am trying to remove users who only have the bonus.
@ScottPack hmm?
?mmh
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Q: Why is no mutant from X-men series a member of S.H.I.E.L.D?

user18957S.H.I.E.L.D is a group of members involved in saving Earth. All of those characters are fictional characters from Marvel comics. Mutants from the X-Men books are also fictional characters from Marvel comics. So why aren't any mutants from the X-Men series also members of S.H.I.E.L.D?

THIS AGAIN?
Anyone, help?
It's a slightly different formulation but it's really the same question.
12:25
@ScottPack why is that about telepaths?
Personally I'd like kill the rep bonus feature itself
@AviD Mutants.
12:40
@ScottPack overlap but not contained.
@AviD The answer is still the same, though. Because of the IP ownership of Marvel Mutants.
@AviD The only way a telepath could exist within that movie series or the TV show is as a mutate.
ok wait. what was the original querstion we were talking about?
hello gang
and btw mutate != mutant.
AHOY DER LAD
12:42
though some are both....
@AviD I think that's the point? :P
queen sends her regards @Simon
@deed02392 Cheers!
okay I guess Ikm not really following this discussopm. my bad.
@AviD Right.
12:43
@AviD Nor typing properly.
@Simon dont have standing desk :-(
angle is a bit awkward.
:s
@AviD In last week's episode of Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. there were a couple of times where the line "There is no proof that telepaths exist" or "Telepaths don't exist" was stated.
@ScottPack ahhh
right
okay now I remember that.
@AviD And given the rather incestuous relationship the Avengers have had with the X-Men and the relationship that the Avengers have with S.H.I.E.L.D....yeah.
12:44
but.... if any superpowers can exist naturally (ie not mutants), then why is telepathy specifically excluded?
Wait, the Avengers and the X-Men live in the same world?
still doesnt answer the question.
@Simon ...
@Simon Yes.
@Simon depends who you ask.
12:45
@TerryChia I'M NOT A FUCKING MARVEL NERD.
so guys, if someone was recording all your encrypted GPG communiques... isn't it pretty much a given that in our lifetimes that data will be decrypted? due to technology advancements
Not according to the lawyers, apparently.
@Simon In fact over the years X-Men have resigned and joined the Avengers, and then come back.
@Simon I don't read comic books and even I know that...
@AviD That depends on the medium.
12:46
@ScottPack yup
@ScottPack Whaaaat? I didn't know that.
what are the guesses that secret services are dumping huge volumes of encrypted communications to long-term storage for that exact purpose
@TerryChia Am I supposed to be a Marvel expert?
@AviD In the comic world yes, but it's the video entertainment media that gets wonky.
@Simon quite a few, actually.
12:46
in anticipation of that, rather
Alright, another question: Does SPIDERMAN live in the same world?
@Simon Yes.
WHOA.
Dude, that world is fucked up but yet awesome.
@ScottPack wait, so which is DC?
@Simon You can (generally) assume that any Marvel character exists in the same world with all the other Marvel characters.
@lynks DC is Metropolis. Marvel is NYC.
12:47
@ScottPack It's like a fantasy.
@Simon he too has flirted with avengers membership.
he was even trained by Captain America at one point.
@deed02392 Nah, the algorithms used in GPG cannot be bruteforced even with technology advancements unless there are mathematical breakthroughs. (@ThomasPornin I'm right in this right?)
@Simon almost Simon, almost.
@AviD Dayum. Are we gonna get an Avengers movie with even cooler protagonists?
@ScottPack with some exceptions.
12:48
@AviD Yeah, I almost left the generally out. All the weird timeline shifting and multiverse garbage makes things weird.
@Simon Spiderman isn't cool. :P
But surely because all ciphertext ultimately has a finite keyspace to choose from, that's not necessarily true @TerryChia?
@Simon no, he is owned by Sony (IIRC) in movies.
And with more Robin from HIMYM.
@AviD BOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.
IBM said recently they expect quantum computing to be achieved in our lifetimes
12:49
@TerryChia Yep that's correct, assuming you use 2048 bit rsa vs long-term attacks. However we have no proof that public key crypto even exists so a mathematical breakthrough is quite possible.
BUT, didja know that Hawkeye (from the avengers) is also a member of the Justice League?
True story.
you Marvel fans talk too much
@TerryChia thanks for the publicity :P
12:50
@Simon In 2015 the next Avengers movie will be coming out with Quicksilver, the Scarlett Witch, and James Spader.
@ScottPack Awww, they really should make an agreement.
@ScottPack Oh, Quicksilver is awesome.
@RoryAlsop If you can't beat them, join them!
@Simon Of course, given the no mutant IP bits they won't be Mageneto's children and they won't be mutants. Probably mutates.
@deed02392 the keyspace is finite yeah, but it can be the same size as the message-space, which we (Shannon) call perfect encryption. >> one time pad.
@ScottPack lol, spader?
@deed02392 Oh sure, RSA is broken with with Shor's Algorithm but that falls under mathematical breakthroughs really.
12:52
@AviD He'll be Ultron.
@ScottPack still incestuous brother and sister?
@AviD We'll find out.
@lynks Sure. :P
lil bit of GoT thrown in...
@Simon couldn't pretend to know anything about it I'm afraid.
12:52
@ScottPack really. interesting....
Hmm I mean this answer goes on in detail about the brute forcing of it with conventional technology
@RoryAlsop reminds me of the It Crowd episode about football.
my kids probably know the names of them
right, gots to go - later kiddies.
Is Watchmen Marvel?
12:53
@RoryAlsop Nothing to be ashamed of though, hehe.
which I suppose fairly rules out general tech advances, but quantum computing apparently takes things to another level
@RoryAlsop no, independant.
@AviD Just another 6 months.
where we're performing more calculations than there are atoms in the Universe, or something like that
@lynks oh, it's okay - I deliberately know nothing about football. Marvel is just an accident, through rarely getting to a cinema, and preferring New Scientist to comics as a kid
@deed02392 nope
Quantum Physics doesn't work like that
12:54
@RoryAlsop I really dug the X-Men comics in the early-mid 90s. Madilyn, however, is really into it through no involvement of my own so I'm finding myself catching back up.
The funny part is that you guys probably aren't referring to the same sport when you say "football".
"brute-force attacks against 256-bit keys will be infeasible until computers are built from something other than matter and occupy something other than space."
@Simon It all started to suck when they allowed the forward pass.
@deed02392 quantum computations are all based on probability distributions.
@Simon the one west of the watter is hilarious. It's like gentle rugby with huge padding
12:54
@ScottPack Hehe.
@RoryAlsop I have seen statements like "performs so many calculations it is feasible it is performing calculations in other Universes"
@RoryAlsop And it's so damn popular -.-
@deed02392 but that is incorrect, despite it being written by someone
select u1.id, v.VoteTypeId
from users u1
inner join votes v on u1.Id = v.UserId
where u1.Reputation = 101 and v.VoteTypeId <> 5
?
@deed02392 Was the author of that statement applying for funding by any chance?
12:55
@Simon not here
@lynks hahahaha
@deed02392 IIRC, 256-bit AES is still impossible to bruteforce with quantum computers.
@RoryAlsop Woah really?
@RoryAlsop Americans are crazy about it though.
@RoryAlsop My statement regarding forward pass remains.
So beyond 128 bits, we're basically just protecting against mathematical breakthroughs that might reduce the keyspace you actually have to search through
12:56
In order to perform calculations in other universes we first have to confirm that such things actually exist. As near as I can tell it's still armchair speculation.
Chat's nerd level before this morning: 9999
Chat's nerd level after this morning: 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999‌​9999999999999999999999999999
yeah I suspect you're right @ScottPack
@Simon Yeah, half of us talking about comic books, the other half about quantum mechanics and cryptography.
I have seen it more than once over the last couple years though
brb
12:57
@deed02392 all quantum computers do is work with probabilities. Possible probabilities in this universe are effectively finite (but very large), but the definition of universe means that whether or not others exist is unknowable within ours - information cannot pass
@deed02392 Alternative universes? Why don't I believe that...?
@deed02392 yeah thats a good way to look at it, there are 2-3 people here who will be able to give much better answers than me, pornin, gilles and codes come to mind.
@deed02392 When I hear people like Tyson saying things like, "if the multiverse theory is true" then I feel pretty justified in holding off on judgement.
Poor dude, he's getting bombed with replies.
12:58
oh ye of little faith
let's wait till we have the grand unified theory sorted :P
@RoryAlsop 𝕌
@ScottPack it may be true, and I'd love to think it is, but all the maths suggests that we will never know and can never know
You should have said "bloody hell!".
@ScottPack square? Is that what the hip kids are calling us cats these days?
@RoryAlsop I think the idea of it being true is pretty killer, but yeah.
12:59
it seems like the "pretty good" in PGP is being rather conservative then
@RoryAlsop You clearly need to get a better browser. Firefox on Mac works pretty well for this.
@deed02392 It's referring to the web-of-trust mechanism really.
Universe of Discourse.
@ScottPack hahahahaha - I'm currently on... Chrome with many lockdowns
@lynks Which no one uses really. :P
12:59
ahh that makes sense

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