The DMZ

deed02392

13:02

oh the pony stuff

there's something off about the yellow in that rainbow

kalina

well, deal with it

AviD

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Rory Alsop

someone rang...?

cooooool for whovians

Scott Pack

That's hawt.

Rory Alsop

@Scott - as a very old school neckbeard, I dislike windows, but I despise apple. Especially like now when I am forced to use one. They fail to do anything I want with any sort of consistency, performance or customisability; they irritate me with their little foibles; and AAaaaarrrrggggggg!

(not sure I may have hinted that before)

Scott Pack

13:17

@RoryAlsop I use it as a pretty interface with real office and a bash shell.

Rory Alsop

heh - okay, that may work on a higher powered machine. It sucks on iPad or older Macbook

it doesn't even work well as a citrix front end!

Scott Pack

Define older? I was more than happy to use a Late-2008 MB up until last fall.

It does work great as a View frontend. :)

You know, for when your enterprise upgrades past Citrix.

Rory Alsop

hahahaha - some enterprises may be slower than others in that respect :-)

deed02392

@RoryAlsop i'm with you on those apple/windows opinions

especially when I get calls from friends/family asking how they can recover their entire iTunes library which has been inexplicably wiped

lynks

@ScottPack my major apple gripe is the software lockout. I don't buy the 'stability' argument, why should I not be allowed to install the latest OS on my hardware. Particularly when without it I can't use the latest firefox et al.

Rory Alsop

13:27

no other devices actually make me angry when trying to use them

deed02392

apple love locking their customers out of things

things that they own, I should add

like making all your accessories obsolete

Rory Alsop

iTunes (which I had to have on for t'wife's ipod) killed a chunk of my music library (M to Q) which was a few thousand tracks. For no apparent reason. Obviously I had backups, but it was a PITA

deed02392

exactly, things like that happen all the time @RoryAlsop

except most people don't have backups because they think, well it's on my computer and on my iPod

Rory Alsop

I like having backups on 3 different continents now + a cloud backup for some less sensitive stuff that is ... somewhere

but I am widely regarded as a nurd

or at least a tad geeky

Scott Pack

Yeah, I use my laptop as the primary music and photo management location but I have everything synced to the home file server which then gets backed up to a computer at my office and to the cloudz using Crashplan.

lynks

13:32

@ScottPack You call yourself a neckbeard? Where is the crontab entry with tar and scp? With a bit of tee for logging? pff

deed02392

why is everyone here spelling nerd like nurd

Scott Pack

@lynks Because Crashplan just works and I don't have to think about it. Plus I doubt they'll give me access to their unlimited storage pool with scp.

@lynks I usually recommend rdiff-backup these days anyway. File level dedups FTW!

lynks

@ScottPack As a chronic do-it-myself-er I distrust anything that 'just works'. If it doent require a text editor to make it run, it's probably malware.

deed02392

lol @lynks

Scott Pack

I do have an overly burdonsome hackjob of a backup script for my phone that you might like.

deed02392

13:35

or breaks easily

CodesInChaos

@RoryAlsop that's what you get for installing malware

Scott Pack

Which reminds me, it's not been acting quite right so I need to tweak the script some more.

lynks

@ScottPack Providing you use vim, you can have your neckbeard card back.

Scott Pack

Is there another one?

I don't have enough fingers to use the combos in emacs.

lynks

@ScottPack You are right, there is no other. The only way to transcend vim usage is by directly editing block device files.

Scott Pack

13:42

I just find writing the bit masks for dd to be tiresome.

lynks

@ScottPack I forgot to add with your mind

deed02392

I use nano. I think it's a generational thing

lynks

@deed02392 In this case, it's objective. Nano sucks.

Scott Pack

I used pico when I first learned how to use the unixes, but then I wanted something with more features.

Rory Alsop

@deed - because @Simon says it that way, with a Canadian accent :-)

lynks

13:44

@ScottPack Exactly, its a nice first port of call. But it's terribly limited.

deed02392

I love nano, it's nice 'n' easy

Scott Pack

@lynks Exactly.

deed02392

Can't recall anything in particular it couldn't manage, that wasn't more appropriate to use cat or sed or grep with anyway

lynks

@deed02392 but you wouldn't develop code in nano, right?

I mean beyond 100 lines or so.

deed02392

No

I wouldn't

the syntax highlighting is laughably bad

kalina

13:46

@deed02392 "...ever again", he whispers quietly

deed02392

haha

lynks

@deed02392 See, I use vim for everything, right up to big-team development.

kalina

Real programmers code using pen and paper, and OCR to import it

lynks

Copy your vimrc up to any servers you use and immediately you have your exact development environment everywhere.

Scott Pack

I've recently installed a couple of pathogen mods to vim. It's made things like tex and puppet awfully nice to deal with.

deed02392

13:47

real programmers code in bits by firing radiation at the platters of the hard disk

Rory Alsop

Real programmers set the universal constants at the start such that the universe evolves to contain the disk with the data they want.

deed02392

kalina, but then no "real programmers" could ever write the OCR in the first place hahaha

Rory Alsop

had to be done

Scott Pack

Goddamnit Rory

deed02392

haha wooooo

Scott Pack

13:49

You beat me to it.

deed02392

I knew i was getting that from somewhere

lynks

@kalina You joke, but a friend of mine at uni had cerebral palsy and couldn't type. For doing assignments, he would dictate code to a typist who was a non-developer. Dude was crazy good.

Because rewinding the cursor and making edits was such a pain, he got very good at planning out source files in his head before starting.

He said he got very bored of saying 'semi colon, new line'

deed02392

I reckon in our lifetimes we'll be able to code with our brains

as in, thinking what we want to appear, and it gets input

kalina

I don't

they'll get a technology that works 30% of the time and it will be banned after it fries the brain of the first person

lynks

@deed02392 The problem with that is, a keyboard is probably still better.

deed02392

13:51

it can already be done letter by letter although takes a long time

didn't say it would be better @lynks

Rory Alsop

can you not do that @deed? I thought to myself, "what about a nice blue-green planet filled with life" and here we all are :-)

deed02392

my God

literally

kalina

just @Rory will suffice

Rory Alsop

;-P

deed02392

let the sun shine on your face, welcome in its warm embrace (8)

argh, so many apple articles on the Guardian tech page

Rohan Durve - Decode141

13:56

I have to migrate websites between two servers manually.

;_;

lynks

@RohanDurve-Decode141 scp and hope the php/etc versions are the same

Then go home and tell everyone how great a webadmin you are.

Rohan Durve - Decode141

Yeah, except there are databases that need to be manually migrated.

And then the config files changed for new connection strings..

lynks

@RohanDurve-Decode141 Databases? theyre probably not important.

Rohan Durve - Decode141

Prolly not, why would WordPress need DBs anyway.

lynks

@RohanDurve-Decode141 exactly, it will probably run faster without them anyway.

deed02392

13:58

there's an app for that @Rohan

lynks

And configs, that sounds like a job for the developers.

Reassign that ticket

Rohan Durve - Decode141

^ that's good advice there.

deed02392

can't you scp the databases too @Rohan

Thomas Pornin

@lynks He could have used some compression. E.g. agree with the typist that when he says "zot" it means "semi colon, new line".

Rohan Durve - Decode141

The first server is a shared one.

lynks

14:05

@ThomasPornin I believe that was what happened, but his typist would change regularly as they were just random university employees.

Rohan Durve - Decode141

So, I don't get access to the db fs.

Scott Pack

@ThomasPornin That would compress much better for USians than Canadians.

Rory McCune

@kalina I'm guessing either no-one has mentioned ambiguous Rory'ing to you , or they have and it was @TerryChia

kalina

nope

does it ping all of you>?

Rory McCune

yep

kalina

14:08

I shall continue doing it

Rory McCune

..... I need a system to flag people as Terry'esque

Scott Pack

I swear I think the default font for iTerm changed too.

Rory McCune

@ScottPack I take it you've mavericked?

how is it?

Scott Pack

@RoryMcCune So far it feels pretty similar. MacPorts stable doesn't work because it uses gnutar which doesn't exist anymore. The dock isn't as transparent anymore. The menu bar is on all displays. That's all I've noticed so far.

Terry Chia

14:32

@RoryMcCune I'm honored. :)

Adnan

@ScottPack Isn't it about time we take down that Adnan-related starred message we've got there?

Scott Pack

@Adnan Why?

Adnan

@ScottPack I don't know, maybe because IT HAS BEEN UP THERE FOR MORE THAN A WEEK!

Scott Pack

It'll age out. Don't you worry your pretty little cup.

Terry Chia

@Adnan Has the validity of the statement changed?

Is there perhaps someone new who is more damaging than you?

Lucas Kauffman

14:37

@ScottPack you're or your?

Scott Pack

@LucasKauffman The correct one.

Adnan

@TerryChia No, but.. but but but but.. :(

Scott Pack

14:49

@RoryMcCune The Activity Monitor now has an Energy tab to show what processes are having the biggest impact on your power usage. This will be really handy for battery life, let me tell you.

deed02392

how does it represent the energy usage @ScottPack?

is it pretty much inline with the amount of cpu time it takes?

Scott Pack

Just some wonky "impact" rating. I don't know that it's actually useful outside of direct comparison between themselves.

deed02392

mmmm

Scott Pack

Also disk, for example right now Spotlight is my highest use by a lot.

deed02392

what is Maverick?

Terry Chia

14:51

@deed02392 New version of OS X.

deed02392

oh right

CodesInChaos

oh they finally ran out of cat names

deed02392

lol

CodesInChaos

should have continued with bears

Lucas Kauffman

@CodesInChaos brown, black, polar, grizzly?

@CodesInChaos panda

Adnan

15:03

@LucasKauffman What's this nonsense?! Pandas aren't bears!

Pandas know nothing about security, let alone cryptography

Lucas Kauffman

@Adnan red pandas yes, great pandas no.

Red pandas could have been the intermediate step between Mountain Lion and Grizzly (this would be second new name)

as Red pandas are somewhere between cats and bears

Adnan

@LucasKauffman First time I hear of 'red pandas'. I Googled them. I wasn't disappointed.

They're the cutest things ever. Ah, I can feel my estrogen going up just by looking at the Google Image results

Rory McCune

@ScottPack ooh that will be cool

lynks

15:22

/me wonders if he can map things to the NoSymbol key symbol...

David Freitag

@kalina There was only one NSA raid last night. The CIA tried too but got cock blocked by the NSA.

kalina

awesome

must have been that "bomb" + "president" conversation we had

David Freitag

They only took my toaster though.

kalina

them toasters

David Freitag

I think they were just jealous that i had a Linux powered toaster though.

Lucas Kauffman

15:24

bomb president 4th of july airforce 1 one tomorrow

deed02392

oh dear god

kalina

it was the experimental worm I had stored on your toaster that they were interested in

Lucas Kauffman

@kalina you cut off simon's penis didn't you?

and then stored it in the toaster

David Freitag

@kalina It used an experimental laser to cook the toast extremely precisely.

kalina

@LucasKauffman I'd rather set fire to somebody than cut off their penis

David Freitag

15:28

@LucasKauffman Besides, i don't think she has a scanning electron microscope.

kalina

buuurrrrrrrrrnnnnnnnnn

Scott Pack

Terry Chia

15:57

@DavidFreitag ouch.

Lucas Kauffman

cool got the populist badge ^^

Terry Chia

@LucasKauffman Just the one?

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