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00:25
Well fuck you too griffin !
Why fuck me?
P.S you're gonna have to be prettier if you want a piece of this.
01:13
@Griffin What the llama doesn't do it for you?
@DavidFreitag My llama does everything. Including fly.
#youaintgotshitonmyllama
@Griffin Aw man, i would've thought you would get the flying unicorn model instead :\
The llama came with pokemon X and Y
@DavidFreitag It was a tough choice.
@Griffin Ah, the ultimate time-waster. (that doesn't involve a tube sock)
@DavidFreitag You know, I really love boot strap
01:16
@Griffin hm?
@DavidFreitag getbootstrap.com
That is make my life uber easy.
meh
i prefer injecting my code into existing sites
@DavidFreitag David are you being naughty again?
@Griffin No, this time i wrote a chrome extension to enable LaTeX in the SE chats
@DavidFreitag Okay, because that didn't sound good.
01:22
@Griffin It usually isn't
I'm trying to figure out how to add analytics to this extension without overloading my custom event counter..
You do that.
I'm gonna keep trying this.
Google won't let me exceed 50 custom events per page per person unless i pay them
That's odd./
And not very nice.
Not really, most of the google api services are pretty limited unless you pay them
depending on which api it is it's either a one-time payment of usually $30 or so, or a monthly charge.
01:45
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03:12
@Adnan Huh, that turned into a rep train. All is right with the world.
@TerryChia Rape train
 
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10:19
> The last message was posted 7 hours ago.
So dead...
chain breaker.
but if you did that already, I'll share this: vivas.fi/nain-miehet-ja-naiset-erovat-toisistaan-katso-kuvat
@AviD Some of them I have seen before. Nice compilation though.
I am practiciing some of those.
10:35
I nearly fell out of my chair laughing so hard. It's much beyond that 2am hour where everything is hysterically funny.
Nothing good ever happens after 2AM.
Nah, i find that statement to be largely untrue. If you lead a dull life, chances are you lead a dull post-2am too. Otherwise, after 2am can be some of the best times
@DavidFreitag You shouldn't be in this room if you didn't get the reference.
@TerryChia It's way past time for my brain to get references. Beside that, i never watched that show.
See, english very my good isn't much.
10:42
@DavidFreitag You disgust me. You aren't sleeping until you watched all 8 seasons!
@TerryChia Right after i'm done watching every single episode of Breaking Bad for the final time.
@DavidFreitag Suit up and get watching. It is legen
wait for it
dary.
Legendary!
@AviD You have the makings of a halfway-decent cheerleader.
11:04
Ahh, reading some old questions on SF now, I remember this one.
1277
Q: Our security auditor is an idiot. How do I give him the information he wants?

samA security auditor for our servers has demanded the following within two weeks: A list of current usernames and plain-text passwords for all user accounts on all servers A list of all password changes for the past six months, again in plain-text A list of "every file added to the server from re...

Hilarious!
> Strong cryptography only means the passwords must be encrypted while the user is inputting them but then they should be moved to a recoverable format for later use.
I think i'm dying.
@DavidFreitag Did you see the part where he wants private SSH keys?
@TerryChia haha yeah, but the password thing is glaringly contradictory. Even someone who knows nothing about security would know that nobody should be able to see anyone's password, not even admins.
@DavidFreitag you sure about that?
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A: Is it OK to tell your password to your company's sysadmin?

AviDShort answer: ABSOLUTELY NOT! Your password is between you, and your computer alone. No one else. Not your boss, his boss, the system administrator, your bank official, your insurance agent, your ISP support technician, or your cat. Well, your cat you can tell, if she promises not to shar...

there was some icky history around that question. it came from SF with a lot of bad answers, and a looot of upvotes.
@AviD Well, i meant admins in the sense of admins of a web service or other application that requires authentication that isn't the company you work for.
I could see why it would be a reasonable question about telling your company's sysadmin your password (you know, to the average desk-jockey).
11:14
@DavidFreitag arguably this is worse ,and the other makes more sense. If youre authenticating to MY service, OF COURSE I can know your password! [sic].
@AviD I don't know about that one. If you are idiotic enough to use the same password for every web service you use, then it only takes one asshole to ruin you. I suppose if you gave your password to your sysadmin they could do the same damage, but i think it would be less likely that the IT guy at work will steal your SSN and your bank details.
And you could know my password as the admin of my favorite web service, but that doesn't mean you should.
exactly.
Your best bet is to get a 5lb bag of thermite and permanently revoke your computer privileges.
Update on RethinkDB: It's a lovely database with a nice query language. I'm tossing MongoDB in the trash for all my future projects.
@TerryChia and what will you replace old-fashioned node.js with?
11:20
Because even without internets, someone could still get your desktop password and sneak a look at your minesweeper scores.
@AviD If node is old-fashioned, then what's state of the art?
@AviD The new kid in town obviously, Apache with mod_c.
@DavidFreitag Google Go maybe?
@DavidFreitag I was mocking @TerryChia, that he's so hipster he's moved past Mongo, which as we all know is Web Scale.
@AviD heh, i thought i smelled a hipster joke, that could just be insanity slowly catching up with me though.
11:46
@AviD Why are you lurking around Finnish sites?
@Adnan heh, didnt realize it was finnish... just got the link.
> Henry Hargreaves is a New York based photographer and breast enthusiast. His love of taking photos and the female form started as a young boy in New Zealand and as an adult he has practiced both hobbies in many countries of the world.
That about sums it up. I wish i had the money to buy that
@DavidFreitag The hell?
@Adnan What? You don't like breasts? They're art, man.
"art"?
12:07
sigh! I'm too sober for The DMZ this morning.
it's afternoon
Later, everybody.
technically
@kalina It's 8.08PM. Wtf are you talking about?
@TerryChia 13:08
12:08
@TerryChia It's 5:36 pm for me
It's 8 am for me.
let's just go with UTC, it's 12:09
Nothing has ever been so hysterical.
UTC is definitive, we're all wrong.
it's still afternoon though
Nono, you guys got it all wrong. The timezone where I live is the official one. Nothing else matters.
12:15
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@RoryMcCune I want to mock you, but I can't because I know what floppies are.
I've used 'em. I feel old
I've even made toy cameras out of the ones that got corrupt
@ManishEarth Don't be. I'm only 19 and I have used floppies before.
@TerryChia I'm 19 too
I don't think I've ever used a floppy disk
I have seen them before though
12:19
@ManishEarth Oh, :$
ah but have you used a computer where floppy disks were the only form of storage...
Never actually looked at your profile before.
I've never had a pc with a floppy drive
@RoryMcCune Now, see. THAT'S old.
my current PC doesn't have an optical drive, let alone any ancient technology like that
12:19
@TerryChia @Adnan @kalina re timezone....
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A: The Memes of Information Security

Scott PackMeme: Canonical Time Zone Originator: Unknown Cultural Height: Early 2011 Background: American hubris on the part of our East cost users resulted in blanket declarations that EDT/EST (UTC-4/5) would be considered the de facto timezone of The DMZ. This was brought upon by inconsistent time of d...

@RoryMcCune Actually yes. But that was because there was one at my dad's office and I wanted to check it out.
I think it also had a B drive
( gasp )
@kalina I can't live without optical drives. I still rip music on a regular basis.
@TerryChia so do I, via torrents
I own less than 30 cds with music on them
@kalina I actually have a wifi card for laptops with me, right now. I don't need it, I just have it
@ManishEarth reminds me of this SU question
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A: What are the Windows A: and B: drives used for?

Keith WilliamsOn my first PC in 1992, A: was the 3.5" floppy, and B: was the 5.25" old-style floppy. Other machines had two 3.5" drives, and having two floppies was fairly common, hence hard drives starting at C: to leave room.

12:21
@kalina I don't torrent music. I torrent everything else though.
@ManishEarth I do have a pcmcia wireless adaptor somewhere in a box under some stuff somewhere
@ManishEarth I carry around mine all the time. Only because the card in my laptop cannot be put into promiscuous mode.
@RoryMcCune Ooh, my institute has a bunch of those huge floppies. Software I think.
@TerryChia and we all know how you like them promiscuous.
@TerryChia Ha! Mine can! Take that!
12:22
I actually own 5 USB wireless cards.
lewha?
@TerryChia A couple of alfas in that list?
my first PC had a clock speed measured in GHz
@RoryMcCune One Alfa, that's my primary one. I got cheap 4 TP-Links as backups.
I think the tp-links were like $10 a card.
12:24
Can't remember the specs, but my first shared pc was 98, and the pc which was my "own" later on was a 2000 on a kvm switch with the xp
Not exactly my own, but I had full permission to screw with it :P
@RoryMcCune Ever used a pc that used 8" floppies as the only form of storage?
oh I wasn't counting PCs I had access to
@DavidFreitag ya know I don't think so. I did use a Data General Mini that had disks about 1.5m across and probably stored 20MB or something back in the late 80's but 5.25", 3.5" and 3.25" were mostly the floppy drives I used
@RoryMcCune Heh, we have a box at work that also serves as a RS232 terminal that has its entire OS stored on a 8" floppy.
@DavidFreitag wow nice. Untill v. recently I kept one 3.5" floppy and a drive for BIOS upgrade purposes
12:29
@RoryMcCune I actually use floppies quite frequently. Every time i go back to my hobby OS project i use an old IBM laptop with a floppy drive in it
And I'm happy to admit my first computer was the Commodore PET
@DavidFreitag ah I started on the Sinclair ZX 80
So I guess this has turned into "Old people reminiscing time". I'll catch you guys later.
@TerryChia Old people? I'm 21 -.-
@TerryChia well better than young people talking about weird music surely
@TerryChia this so much
12:34
@DavidFreitag Heh. ;)
The first PC I used had a hard disk drive for storage.
I'll talk about both. An arduino with an MP3 shield pumping out mozart in 8-bit.
@RoryMcCune That only happens with @Simon around. I don't discuss my musical taste all that much.
@TerryChia I don't typically eat my music.
@TerryChia I just recalled some conversation about heavy hard happy core/step or something ;op
@TerryChia I'll never be able to get the image of that greasy frenchman standing awkwardly next to that poor girl out of my memory.
12:40
@DavidFreitag I have no idea what you are talking about.
@TerryChia @Simon
@DavidFreitag Ah. Enough said.
poptarts and microwaved sweet peas, you've never been so good.
I wonder what possible side-effects that eating 3 cans of sweet peas and a box of poptarts could have.
13:21
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Q: May I `store` the password, by making it the key in AES-256?

Lucifer OrichalcumI would like to seek for another way to save the credentials, which is used to verify the user trying to login, into my database. I came up with this idea. Since I believe that even knowing a plaintext, and a corresponding ciphertext derived with the AES-256 cipher should not lead to the reveali...

Sigh, when will people learn...
13:35
oy. we need custom close reason of "user should not be allowed to touch keyboard".
@AviD Meta post it and I'll upvote.
"Sir, put DOWN the crypto, and step away from the keyboard. SLOWLY."
CryptoLicense should be mandatory.
14:05
@DavidFreitag That picture is now my profile pic on FB!
And the "poor" girl is hot as hell.
Well, this is kind of annoying. I need to replace the lock set on a door. The annoying part is that it's a metal firedoor without any countersunk portion for the boltplate. And since that, on many locksets, provides necessary stability for the bold it wiggles a little.
@ScottPack I'll be there in 11 hours to the rescue!
stupid desperate is stupid.
wat
@AviD Daughter had a date last night?
14:10
DAYUM
@ScottPack heh, nooooo.... was talking about @Simon.
Ah, ok.
Like if he didn't know, lulz.
Ma boi @ScottPack knows everything.
To be clear, I was not talking about @Simon in the context of my daughter dating.
I don't mind going back to jail.
@AviD Back to jail?
14:12
@TerryChia You know Tiggers bounce right? How'd you think he got his nickname.
innocent gaze at the ceiling
I'd be too awesome for your daughter anyway.
I should ask a question on meta.SO. "Are ex-convicts allowed to be moderators of Stackexchange sites?"
You should.
@Simon even though you're about the same age.
14:12
@AviD What a great coincidence.
@Simon That's what no one said about you. Ever.
@TerryChia I'll have you know, I was never convicted.
of a felony, at least.
@TerryChia My ex's sister told me that I was too good for her sister.
SORRY TERRY.
@TerryChia Is it Monday for you in 1h45?
I wonder if I should get one of those bluetooth deadbolts and announce it on #defcon
14:14
@Simon Yes.
@TerryChia Ouch.
@AviD Does your daughter party like a rockstar?
@Simon watch it.
4 mins ago, by AviD
I don't mind going back to jail.
Oct 9 at 12:32, by AviD
> Anything that would set this site in the category of "I would not let my teenage daughter enter", is offlimits.
It's a legitimate question!
Oh and his daughter is about my age?
We can say EVERYTHING.
@Simon youre 13, right?
14:17
Fuck, I forgot about that.
I hope she doesn't party like a rockstar now.
@AviD Wait. She's only 13?
@ScottPack about. give or take enough for internet-ambiguity.
@ScottPack do you feel ashamed?
@AviD So, +- 13 years?
@AviD For?
@ScottPack Your face.
14:20
I think my father burned out my shame receptors whilst I was in middle school.
@TerryChia Nice.
@AviD Are you ready for the teenage crisis?
@Simon they been teenage since 7.
Damn.
Yeah, it starts way earlier than you would think.
I became quite depressed when teenage smarminess started at 3.
They're gonna have to change the whole way numbers are pronounced if thir teen is no longer relevant.
14:32
@Simon Duh. "Treize" vs "douze". Works in German, though.
Some people have argued that the switch from dedicated names to the "-teen" names is a remnant of an older base-12 counting system.
From which we could claim that French people were destined to go decimal at some point.
Though in French the switch is at 17 (16 is "seize" but 17 is "dix-sept") which would mean that the natural counting basis in French is hexadecimal.
That explains quite a lot
@ThomasPornin Wow, I actually had to Google "douze" to see if that was the proper spelling. I never write numbers in words.
15:18
Ah. I missed this about XP. You hit the shut down button, and you know what happens? THE GODDAMN THING SHUTS DOWN
@ScottPack What will they think of next?
why... would you ever shut down a PC?
Because it was running at 100% for about 5 minutes looking for updates to install so I wanted to add another core. I also realized I had forgotten to enable VTx
@TerryChia Contrast that with Win7 where hitting shutdown is like politely asking each program, "Sir, I would like to humbly submit a request that you please cease functioning at your next convenience. Please let me know when you may be able to do this. Thank you."
@ScottPack Why exactly are you using Windows again?
@TerryChia I keep some vms around. I built this one so that I could do something fun like play Riven.
15:24
@ScottPack Ahhh.
Since work set up VMware View I've had much less of a need for local VMs.
Even then, the majority of my need for a VM was vSphere.
Hey @TerryChia random question but you aware of any good vulns/default creds in products from h3c?
I am starting to appreciate Center Parcs. The kids are on skateboards playing basketball. The wives are in the spa. We are in the bar with rum. Good times.
@RoryMcCune Nope. Never heard of that brand.
I am starting to appreciate Center Parcs. The kids are on skateboards playing basketball. The wives are in the spa. We are in the bar with rum. Good times.
15:29
@RoryAlsop dammit where's a like button when you need one
@TerryChia ahh the box is in Singapore, so I thought it may be a common brand over there :)
@RoryAlsop Playing basketball on skateboards...?
@TerryChia You didn't have a childhood, right?
Mixing 2 sports together is the best thing ever.
@Simon Tbh, skateboards aren't very popular around here.
@RoryMcCune Not really nope. I see they sell network stuff? I have only been exposed to Cisco products. :)
You guys would probably get taxed just to be able to skate in the street anyway.
@TerryChia yeah it'll be another company selling kit based on embedded linux. if I had time after this weeks dlink/tenda revelations I'd maybe see if I could get a copy of the firmware to have a poke about but one host of many to look at so prob. not..
15:37
@TerryChia What about chewing gum and spitting on the sidewalk? Is that popular?
@ScottPack Illegal and illegal. ;)
@TerryChia What about caning?
@ScottPack Oh, that's very legal.
In fact, it's a form of punishment in our legal systems.
Right, but the real question is whether or not it would be considered popular.
@ScottPack Probably not.
15:44
Well, it's not actually skateboards. It's ripstix, but I didn't know if they were a well known thing
and there are no cars allowed in the forest so the kids have spent 4 hours today cycling round the estate
... More rum opportunities
there are a stack of ingress portals here, but we are in a big smurf field so no gaming.
@RoryAlsop Kids today.
16:07
@ScottPack Be my dad.
Hahahahaha - creepy
Slightly.
don't we get hoverboards next year?
and flying cars
and mr fusion
@kalina 2015
So a bit more than a year.
And Mr. Fusion!!
16:16
43 secs ago, by kalina
and mr fusion
Nobody ever wants to be my dad.
16:36
I will be your mum for 10 seconds, during that time I will ban you from using the internet for the rest of your life
I never said anything about needing a mom.
1 is PLENTY.
However, more dads would be awesome. I could go on a track with daddy @RoryAlsop, learn how to seduce ladies like a pro with daddy @ScottPack, learn everything about Cryptography with daddy @ThomasPornin and finally improve my creepiness level with daddy @Adnan.
@Simon You mean that your mom is "plentiful" ? That's a nice euphemism.
You're never nice to me.
I am nice to you
if you had obeyed me and disconnected, @ThomasPornin couldn't have been mean to you just then
Shit, you're right.
16:45
I hope you've learned your lesson: kalina is always right
Oh boy.
Dropping the "always right" bomb.
I think Tor really needs to outline its security goals and how it meets them somewhere, people all seem to be very confused about it and the only place which has the answers is a long PDF which cares about explaining a lot more stuff than just that, and is thus somewhat confusing.
hey
hey
17:02
Should I have posted it in security stackexchange? crypto.stackexchange.com/questions/11162/…
 
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18:37
@kalina Ah but I used this magical things called "capitalization" and "punctuation". Highly advanced skills I learned in my long trials that one such as you might refer to as advanced education or, what we call in the United States, elementary school.
@ScottPack Ah but I used this magical thing called "this is the internet, I don't care".
@kalina My dad is better than you.
@Simon My face is better than yours
Doubt it.
100%
18:39
Have you seen how good looking my dad is? I can't be ugly.
thrown on the floor at birth
nou
repeatedly
19:06
@ThomasPornin whoa @Simon you just got "your mom"'ed by @Thomas. That almost never happens.
@kalina pics or gtfo?
okay, that having been the first time I've ever said/typed that, I can attest that it is quite a bit skeezy, and drips with misogynism. Only know it from @kalina's words herself.
 
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21:10
hey there
21:37
Evening M'vy

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