The DMZ

Lucas Kauffman

00:32

@thomas I guess strike day is the same as in Belgium, an excuse to hit the pub ...

Terry Chia

03:19

your mom

Lucas Kauffman

09:43

@TerryChia I demand satisfaction

Terry Chia

@LucasKauffman That's what your mom said last night.

Lucas Kauffman

@TerryChia you son of a bitch.

Terry Chia

@LucasKauffman :)

So I finally ditched Wordpress and got my blog under source control. Devops ftw.

Lucas Kauffman

source control?

Terry Chia

@LucasKauffman Git.

Lucas Kauffman

09:50

pure static pages?

or just flat files which are automatically synced in?

Terry Chia

@LucasKauffman Yep, static pages generated from markdown using Jekyll.

Lucas Kauffman

using ruby

Terry Chia

@LucasKauffman Heh. :)

I'm gonna rebuild my VPS tomorrow and set it all up but I got all the content on Github already.

Rory Alsop

Morning all

Terry Chia

@RoryAlsop Good @Rory!

Rory Alsop

10:03

@TerryChia How goes the day?

Terry Chia

@RoryAlsop Not bad at all.

Lucas Kauffman

first time I lighted the hearth

cozy ^^ all I need now is a pot of tea

Rory Alsop

@LucasKauffman Hahahaha - you sound like my dad

Lucas Kauffman

@RoryAlsop You youngsters just can't seem to appreciate these simple things anymore!

Adnan

@tylerl Damn it! I should start writing answers.

Here's something interesting about Finland:

In Finland, everybody, by default, is a member of the Lutheran church, and to get out you'd have to manually opt-out.

Rory Alsop

10:10

@Adnan Turisas played here last night

And I missed them :-(

@Adnan what is Lutheran?

Lucas Kauffman

Lutheranism

Lutheranism is a major branch of Western Christianity that identifies with the theology of Martin Luther, a German reformer. Luther's efforts to reform the theology and practice of the Roman Catholic Church launched the Protestant Reformation. Beginning with the 95 Theses, Luther's writings were disseminated internationally, spreading the ideas of the Reformation beyond the ability of governmental and churchly authorities to control it. The split between the Lutherans and the Roman Catholics began with the 1521 Edict of Worms, which condemned Luther and officially outlawed citizens of t...

Adnan

If you do nothing, you'll always be counted as a Lutheran Christian and automatically pay taxes to the church.

Terry Chia

@LucasKauffman hah!

Adnan

@RoryAlsop They're playing in my city in December. Damn, they're gonna play in a local bar. I can't wait!!

And the church tax is about 32 euros a month!

That's like, 6 beers

Fuck that! Gimme my moneyz!

I'm pretty sure god can print his own money while simultaneously reduce the inflation.

Lucas Kauffman

more like 32 beers

that's almost one and a half case

that's 18 cases a year

Adnan

10:17

@LucasKauffman :(

That's it, to Belgium it is.

Lucas Kauffman

@Adnan you wouldn't like it here :p

Adnan

@LucasKauffman Why not?

Not many pretty women?

Lucas Kauffman

they just passed a law that all ISPs need to log metadata

and keep it for 2 years

including email time, length, skype call length, session length, ...

Adnan

@LucasKauffman Oh no! That's... bad... awful..

How can you guys live?.. oh may gawd

kalina

VPN time!

Adnan

10:19

@kalina And, given that price, beer time as well.

kalina

I don't consume alcohol

it's bad for everybody around me

Adnan

@kalina Awh, sweetie, nobody cares.

kalina

that's not very nice, referring to yourself as a nobody

less self-deprecation

you need to think positive thoughts

Adnan

@kalina Oh SNAAAAAppp!

Lucas Kauffman

@kalina are you the aggressive type or the annoying type?

Adnan

10:21

Oh wait, that was on me :(

kalina

@LucasKauffman I'm the fall asleep in a corner a few minutes into the night kind

Adnan

@LucasKauffman The second one, mostly.

Lucas Kauffman

god I love toast cannibal

Adnan

@LucasKauffman Hmm.. let's Google that

@Lucas Okay, so, a round-trip ticket to Belgium is 270 euros. Yup, I'm coming.

Lucas Kauffman

@Adnan It's raw minced meat mixed with a raw egg, some capres, pepper & salt, tobasco, wurchester sauce and then spread on toast

Adnan

10:24

@LucasKauffman In other words, it's what St. Peter would cook you as a breakfast in heaven.

kalina

raw meat doesn't sound nice

Adnan

@kalina You pretty much know my reply to that, so I'll leave it to you.

kalina

@Adnan you don't need to exclaim your love for penis every time I mention meat

Lucas Kauffman

@kalina It's pretty nice actually

@kalina but you need to make sure it's really really fresh

Adnan

@kalina I only like your penis.

Lucas Kauffman

10:26

@kalina I always use mixed minced meat (pork + beef)

I might go for a nice horse steak tonight

kalina

@Adnan not only do I not have one (nor want one), #I don't even have access to a penis atm

Lucas Kauffman

@kalina but you do have the need?

Adnan

@LucasKauffman Still in France?

kalina

@LucasKauffman certainly not desperately in need of one right now no

Adnan

@LucasKauffman No, she doesn't. She's independent and whatnot.

Lucas Kauffman

10:28

@Adnan nah but might need to go back in a few weeks

Adnan

At least that's what she keeps saying

Terry Chia

@LucasKauffman Annoyingly aggressive?

Adnan

@TerryChia More like, aggressively annoying.

Terry Chia

@Adnan Right, that.

Adnan

Whoaaaa!! I've just discovered something new (new to me). You can push/click the mouse wheel to the left and right!

Lucas Kauffman

10:31

@TerryChia You always have those people who tend to become insanely agressive when drinking

Terry Chia

@Adnan What now?

Adnan

@LucasKauffman Yup, I bet she's one of those. Future cat lady alert!

@TerryChia Yeah.. you use the mouse wheel to scroll, but also you can nudge it to left and right. It does other shit

Terry Chia

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@Adnan Not for my mouse :O

Lucas Kauffman

@TerryChia what were those drinks called again we got when we met?

Adnan

@TerryChia Oho! @Kalina should sue The Simpsons for copyright issues.

Now I'm jelly! I want to have a drink with @Terry

Okay, enough being mean to the sweet @Kalina today. The shower is free now, I'm off.

Have a nice weekend, everybody.

Lucas Kauffman

10:41

@Adnan where you going?

Terry Chia

10:51

@LucasKauffman Sugarcane juice.

Lucas Kauffman

I want one of those now

Terry Chia

@LucasKauffman Hah! Come to Singapore then.

Adnan

11:41

@LucasKauffman Now I'm back.

So, apparently, this is the Silk Road guy.

frosty

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I'm pretty sure @AviD and @Terry are happy he got arrested...

for using PHP.

Terry Chia

@Adnan Old news. :P

Adnan

@TerryChia Oh yeah, but I just found out that this is his SO account

Terry Chia

@Adnan Again, old news. :P

Adnan

@TerryChia What part of "I just found out" don't you understand?

kalina

@Adnan it's still old news

Adnan

11:45

What an idiot! He should have created a Sec.SE account, he would have learned to get caught that easily.

@kalina Oh, you're still here.

kalina

in a minute you'll proclaim "The cake is a lie, guys! The cake is a lie!"

like it's a recent revelation

Adnan

@kalina What's that?

Terry Chia

@Adnan Relevant quote from meta.SO.

I, personally, hand-cuffed him. For using PHP, no less. — Oded Oct 3 at 12:12

Adnan

Oh, Google says that the cake thing is some sort of Internet meme or something

CodesInChaos

12:28

Adnan only uses exquisite sec.se memes, not those inferior other memes.

TildalWave

12:44

@RoryAlsop oww how did I miss that? hahaha nice! thanks!

Rory Alsop

13:02

@TildalWave and you are the size of the black hole at the centre of our galaxy

Rory McCune

13:52

@Adnan srsly.... tut tut, you'll go down in the ancient ones eyes if you don't know portal references....

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Terry Chia

@RoryMcCune I don't play portal and I'm 19. :P

Also, I'm soooo close to beating Hendrik.

Rory McCune

@TerryChia I don't really play it either, but everyone knows the cake is a lie!

Terry Chia

> Remember when Tyrion slapped Joffrey in his little smarmy cock of a face? Awesome. Remember when they poured the molten gold over Viserys' dick-like head? Awesome. Remember when Sam was hiding and the White Walkers walked by all white and awesome? Awesome!

cracked.com/blog/the-time-i-almost-got-to-be-game-thrones /cc @AviD.

Thomas Pornin

14:46

@TerryChia I have not seen the series, nor have I read the books; but I recognize the death-by-molten-gold anecdote. This method is said to have been employed by Parthians to kill the Roman consul Crassus after his capture at the battle of Carrhae in 53 BC.

Terry Chia

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Thomas Pornin

In fact most fantasy books are diluted remakes of actual historical events. History is more awesome.

Rory Alsop

@ThomasPornin not least because it happened long ago, back when history was 'live' :-)

TildalWave

@RoryAlsop hmmm no, its event horizon is still small enough to only be a fraction of my size :P ... wait, that doesn't sound right

Terry Chia

@RoryAlsop I forgot, you were actually there for it.

@TildalWave +1

Gilles

14:50

@RoryAlsop weird how we call it “awesome” when it happened centuries ago, but “war crimes” when it's happening now

TildalWave

@TerryChia hehe thanks you're so kind to me :)

Thomas Pornin

@Gilles Oh, we also call it "war crimes" for the past events -- at least if the criminal was also the loser.

Rory Alsop

@Gilles distance - I think centuries help. We can mentally justify it with "Oh, times were different then - boiling someone with gold was fairly common"

Thomas Pornin

Take another example of awesome history. At the battle of Cape St Vincent (1797), Nelson (not yet Admiral) disobeyed orders, engaged against superior forces (two 74-guns ships against three bigger Spanish). Through daring tactics, after having substantial damage, Nelson managed to bring his ship along a Spanish one, and to board it with a small party, and to subdue the Spanish crew.

Gilles

@RoryAlsop ah, yes, now we don't use molten gold, we use mustard gas

in the olden days, we used more primitive weapons

for example, machettes were popular back in 1994

Rory Alsop

15:00

@Gilles scary thought

Thomas Pornin

Now a classic Hollywood movie would stop there. But in reality, another Spanish ship came alongside, and Nelson proceeded to board that other one as well.

It is one of these case where even movie spectators would fail to suspend their disbelief; and yet it happened.

Terry Chia

@ThomasPornin Wasn't that the story of one of the Pirates of the Caribbean movie? :P

Rohan Durve - Decode141

Nope, that's the story of every one of them.

Rory Alsop

@RohanDurve-Decode141 hahahaa - true

Rohan Durve - Decode141

Johnny Depp is hilarious regardless.

Terry Chia

15:03

@RohanDurve-Decode141 I dunno... I'm pretty sure the British got pwned in one or two of them as well.

@RohanDurve-Decode141 +1 as well.

Rohan Durve - Decode141

I guess humans justify crime often as necessary for the greater good.

Thomas Pornin

Crime is also defined relatively to a set of moral rules, which are arbitrary and have changed quite a bit with years.

So we now see as abhorrent crimes actions which, at that time, were considered as quite normal.

Not that the victims were happy about it, of course.

Rohan Durve - Decode141

Well, the problem is however you want to define crime, in a ambigious language such as English, a court is generally free to interpret the crime in their own manner.

Therefore it just comes down to what kind of evidence you can present and how your lawyer presents it.

I believe the actual crime is irrelevant to the court.

God, that sentence construction was terrible. Sorry for making you go through that. XD

Terry Chia

15:30

Achievement unlocked. Passed by first mod in rep. :D

Next up is @Adnan! Unless he starts writing answers again...

Rory Alsop

@TerryChia closely followed by @tylerl?

Terry Chia

@RoryAlsop @tylerl got a bunch of rep this month. :(

TildalWave

15:48

@TerryChia meh I beat all of them in space rep ... doesn't get any higher than that :P

Terry Chia

@TildalWave Space is lame. There, I said it. :P

TildalWave

hehehe

hate to be a Dick, but everything is in space

Terry Chia

@TildalWave What space? The Sun revolves around a flat Earth. Don't you know that???

CodesInChaos

@TerryChia On crypto it's pretty easy to achieve that

Terry Chia

@CodesInChaos Hah!

CodesInChaos

15:54

@Polynomial is 10 rep short of the lowest rep mod there

TildalWave

16:30

@TerryChia the space around your mom :P

Lucas Kauffman

you momma so fat the earth is attracted to her

CodesInChaos

@LucasKauffman That one is actually true ;)

but if her density is lower than average at the same distance from earth, that might still be a net negative compared to filling the space occupied by her with the surrounding material.

kalina

17:20

Rory Alsop

@kalina should have thrown him out of the shop, along with his parents

TildalWave

@LucasKauffman she's attractive, yes :)

Lucas Kauffman

17:37

I don't understand why they put those games out anyway

it's not like they put on porn DVDs in the middle of the videostore

kalina

19:06

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iPhone 5S bluescreen of death

Rory McCune

19:16

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Gilles

19:33

> OK so I just started working for a security consulting firm and we recommend SHA 256 (with salt) for password hashing because MD5 is too weak.

Rory Alsop

20:12

@rorym - because of you I have now heard a Miley Cyrus song. I far prefer the version you posted. I think that Miley girl isc trying and failing to be Gwen Stefani

Rory McCune

@RoryAlsop yeah I actually liked this version, which is not something I thought I'd ever say about a Miley song!

tylerl

22:18

@Adnan Whatever you're doing, just stop and go play through portal. You'll be a better person for it. It even runs on Linux and OSX. steam link

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@Adnan Absolutely what he said

David Freitag

22:36

@Adnan You've never played portal? You should be shunned from the internet until you have played both Portal and Portal 2. It's basically mandatory.

Rory Alsop

22:49

@DavidFreitag Yup - I play Portal 2 almost every day. The community workshop levels give an excellent few minutes fun while compiling

'Are you stealing those LCDs?' 'Yeah, but I'm doing it while my code compiles.'

David Freitag

@RoryAlsop Oh man, i wish i was working on a project big enough to play games between compilations...

Rory Alsop

@DavidFreitag I was using compiling as a euphemism

:-)

David Freitag

Ah well - still :]

Rory Alsop

for any five minute activity that leaves my hands free :-)

David Freitag

I walk into work at 11am, that's good enough for me.

Gilles

22:52

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Q: Ensure data doesn't linger after being deleted

I'm trying to make a service that keeps as little data on its users as possible. To that end, I want to make sure that someone using forensic tools won't gain any more information than I would by looking at my database or filesystem. In other words, you shouldn't be able to go through my hard dri...

kernel files delete

think it's worth directing this guy to sec.se?

Rory Alsop

@DavidFreitag pffft. "Unlike you, I no longer have the luxury of legs" cc @RoryM bbc.co.uk/radio4/comedy/nebulous.shtml

@Gilles yes - looks like he has put some effort into this and wants to learn. Send him over. Thanks

Gilles

@RoryAlsop should I flag for migration, or tell him to repost?

his question needs a bit of cleanup

David Freitag

@RoryAlsop I have the ability to blame my schedule on college though. But don't forget, I'm at work at 7:00 on a saturday because i come in at 11.

Gilles

but I think there is a good question in there

Rory Alsop

@Gilles I think the question is good, and we can clean up once it gets here

Gilles

22:56

flagged for migration

David Freitag

I hope PBKDF2 will be enough to keep a few pencil-jockey metrologists from screwing with each other.

Rory Alsop

@DavidFreitag metrologist? Someone who rides the subway reading a free newspaper?

David Freitag

Metrology

:This article is about the science of measurement. For the study of weather see Meteorology. Metrology is the science of measurement. Metrology includes all theoretical and practical aspects of measurement. The word comes from Greek μέτρον (metron), "measure" + "λόγος" (logos), amongst others meaning "speech, oration, discourse, quote, study, calculation, reason". In Ancient Greek the term μετρολογία (metrologia) meant "theory of ratios". Introduction Metrology is defined by the International Bureau of Weights and Measures (BIPM) as "the science of measurement, embracing both experimenta...

Rory Alsop

sorry - should have added my smiley. In the UK Metro is a free paper supplied on buses, trains etc for commuters

David Freitag

heh

In the course of my investigation into what exactly those crazy Indians screwed up in this app, i discovered they were storing unhashed passwords in a database.

Rory Alsop

23:01

@DavidFreitag sigh

David Freitag

@RoryAlsop At least it was an easy fix compared to switching from Linq + SQL Server to SQLite.

Update the built-in user passwords with the hashed version, then throw in a little PBKDF2 magic and voila the world feels safe again.

Although i think the next project is going to be some sort of "Upgrade Assistant" so people don't have to manually migrate their data from the old version...

@RoryAlsop For some reason it won't let me listen to that comedy sketch.

heh, i like how the volume control of the BBC radio goes up to 11 ;]

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