The DMZ

AviD

00:34

@Iszi I thought it was F**k the f**kers.

courtesy of the esteemed Mr. Carlin....

►

NSFW on sound.

Terry Chia

00:46

@RoryMcCune I'm still trying to convince myself I need IDA Pro.

And that thing only cost 1k~

@TildalWave Do you go about endorsing people on LinkedIn when you can't sleep? :P

TildalWave

@TerryChia hehe and LinkedIn is making it so convenient you can endorse 4 people at the same time too. I think I endorsed anyone I have in my list from Sec.SE today for all the skills they had listed and I didn't yet endorse. Still waiting for someone to list "beer drinking" in their list of skills tho :|

Terry Chia

@TildalWave Do you have "logo making" on your list of skills?

Iszi

@TildalWave @ScottPack You're up.

TildalWave

@TerryChia Depends on what you need. I can navigate my mouse through PS, if that's what you're asking LOL. What's with that mail pinging? :O

@Iszi I'm just about to fall unconscious

sup?

Terry Chia

@TildalWave That's from TheDailyWTF.

TildalWave

00:58

@TerryChia They need a new logo? :)

Terry Chia

@TildalWave Maybe. :P

AviD

@TildalWave logos? now you do logos too?? I thought your speciality was Icons....

TildalWave

@AviD You forgot I made you your own Sec.SE logo? Need I mention I do wallpapers too? :))

AviD

hehe, right, right.

sleep time.

TildalWave

8

Terry Chia

01:01

@TildalWave YES!

TildalWave

I was also testing a bit, how that @ThomasPornin's push to change from the lion to a bear could look like LOL

Terry Chia

Stick that on Meta.

TildalWave

@TerryChia Tomorrow,... I really barely keep my eyes open. Good night all!

BTW @TerryChia:

@ Terry searched your name there. Search result: A$$ — Andrew 13 mins ago

I already flagged it

Terry Chia

@TildalWave Hehe. I'm not offended.

TildalWave

@TerryChia I am. His name is Andrew

Terry Chia

01:09

0

Q: Does a OS manufacturer have permission to access your computer unauthorized?

Many services such as email and online storage have stated in their Terms of Service that they have the right to view and delete your files at any time. I'm wondering if they same applies to software and especially Operating Systems as well, since the software manufacturer essentially owns the so...

privacy

Think it can be salvaged?

Iszi

Well... In general, the question can be considered too broad because it does not specify jurisdiction nor which OS they're asking about. In the end, it will come down to "Ask a lawyer" and/or RTFM.

So.... I'd say no.

Terry Chia

@Iszi I was thinking about removing the legal parts entirely and focusing on the technical aspects.

I can't make up my mind if that would make it a semi-decent question or not.

Iszi

@TerryChia Oh, no. It's totally about the legal parts.

Terry Chia

It's still kinda crappy.

Iszi

There's no point to question technical capability - if the OS vendor wants to stuff a backdoor in, they've got access.

Terry Chia

01:13

@Iszi Alright, I won't bother then. :)

Coffee time. brb.

Stack Exchange

04:44

Points to anyone who hacks the Flickr devs' computers to make their text editors do this when you click on anything.

2

Terry Chia

07:46

Fucking threading...

CodesInChaos

08:02

Luckily multi threading with shared mutable state is pretty rare

Terry Chia

@CodesInChaos It's pissing me off nevertheless, given I have next to no experience with it. :P

0

Q: Python Watchdog: Is there a way to pause the observer?

I am using Watchdog to monitor a directory and keep it in sync with Dropbox. I am facing a situation where every time I download a file from Dropbox, I trigger an upload event as I need to write to the directory Watchdog is monitoring. Is there a way to "pause" the observer while I apply the d...

python python-2.7 watchdog

In case anyone here knows the answer.

CodesInChaos

08:22

multi-threading is one of those things that get more frighting as you gain experience

what's great about C#5 is that it allows you to do async IO while keeping your code single-threaded

ManishEarth

08:54

►

Adnan

09:37

I feel like I'm in a 3rd world country. Germany, compared to Finland, is ridiculously cheap.

We had 4 beers, 2 shots, two quiche dishes, one salad, and two glasses of porto... For 25 euros

AAhhh.. I want to live here (and still work in Finland)

M'vy

10:08

hi there

Stack Exchange

12:18

Stack Exchange Security Blog: About Secure Password Hashing

lucaskauffman on September 13, 2013

An often overlooked and misunderstood concept in application development is the one involving secure hashing of passwords. We have evolved from plain text password storage, to hashing a password, to appending salts and now even this is not considered adequate anymore. In this post I will discuss what hashing is, what salts and peppers are and which algorithms are to be used and which are to be avoided.

Hashing is a type of algorithm which takes any size of data and turns it into a fixed-length of data. This is often used to ease the retrieval of data as you can shorten large amounts of data to …

TildalWave

12:29

@LucasKauffman really nice blog post, I'm tweeting this :)

Rory McCune

@ManishEarth where the heck did you find that?

Terry Chia

@M'vy Hey!

RT @securitymoey @infodel: The best part about a CISSP joke, is you don't have to know anything about security to get it #protolol

Tweeted by sambowne on June 5, 2011 at 4:24 AM

Heh, I'm bored.

Simon

12:50

Morning.

Terry Chia

@Simon Morning

Rory McCune

afternoon

(geez that morning seemed to go quickly :op )

Simon

If only.

Terry Chia

@Simon It's Friday night man!

ManishEarth

@RoryMcCune facebook

Simon

12:59

@TerryChia I wonder how it feels to live on another planet.

TildalWave

13:22

@Simon seems about the right time to invite you to our Space Exploration then... unless you wanna travel on some psychotropic substance, since it's Friday and all LOL

Simon

@TildalWave Nah, I'm not wild enough to do any of these, hehe.

TildalWave

I just wrote an answer describing mountains made of marshmallow floating on an otherwise chocolaty planet, too. :)

Terry Chia

14:05

Ahh, one of my favorite Defcon talks ever.

►

M'vy

Anyone in there around Cork this week-end? (Ireland)

Anuj Kaithwas

14:25

haha, zoz is awesome:D

low security = possible recovery

Simon

14:56

Crypto, right? security.stackexchange.com/questions/42368/…

Terry Chia

@Simon Already flagged.

Simon

Super Terry.

Wait, there's no way to flag it to be migrated to Crypto?

Terry Chia

@Simon Flag for mod attention.

Simon

@TerryChia Yeah, that's what I did.

Terry Chia

Simon

14:59

0

Q: SQL Injection with pass MD5

I want to know, if in my login form there is any SQL injection possible. If there is, what could the exploit's web form entry look like? I send username and password by html form (POST). The login function code is: $username = $_POST['user']; $password = $_POST['pwd']; $password = md5(password...

authentication php sql-injection mysql injection

Oh wow.

Terry Chia

@Simon Free rep for you. Gogogo.

Simon

What's the name of your website, young man? I swear nothing bad will happen to it if you publish it.

Simon

15:12

@TerryChia Well, I just had to do it. I'm not sure if it's gonna stay opened but I really felt the need to post an answer.

No wonders why you guys laugh at PHP developers, wow.

Terry Chia

@Simon I would post an answer but I'm too busy surfing porn. Server porn.

Simon

Damn, we could dominate the world if we had a farm like this.

Thomas Pornin

@Simon There is no "migration path" to crypto because crypto.SE is a beta site.

Simon

@ThomasPornin Oh ok, thanks.

Terry Chia

@Simon I'm busy jerking off to these photos. porn.serverbear.com

Simon

15:23

@TerryChia Well, just because of the name I'm not gonna click it at work.

Terry Chia

@Simon It's totally safe for work.

TildalWave

16:06

@ThomasPornin well the path is "flag it for mods, let them migrate it" :)

Rory McCune

16:44

Interesting chat on the new iPhone fingerprint sensor , apparently not vulnerable to the chopped off finger or gummi bear attacks... citeworld.com/security/22399/…

Simon

17:18

If I was a slow day, I'd be today.

were*

I'm also almost falling asleep on my keyboard.

Thomas Pornin

@Simon Indeed. I have not even repcapped.

Yet.

Simon

I like the confidence.

Thomas Pornin

There has been a kind-of-official answer for the site name change:

5

A: Let's change our site's name to Information Security, or just Security

We have renamed sites in the past when it became clear that their scope has either changed significantly or that the name was actively harmful. The most notable change was probably Fitness & Nutrition becoming Physical Fitness. So, in principle, we're open to discussing the name change for this s...

Salient point being: "We'd like you guys to take more time to discuss"

So let's put on our best boots, and kick that dead horse again.

Scott Pack

I enjoyed her point of "there is no clear consensus" except I think there actually is...

Thomas Pornin

@ScottPack which is my I pointed to the other question, which makes the consensus more visible.

Scott Pack

17:30

Furry muff

Simon

She shares exactly my opinion about "Information security" vs "Security".

Scott Pack

Most of ours, I think.

Simon

@ScottPack The only reason why she says that is because I haven't posted my opinion. Therefore, she's unsure if I approve it.

Scott Pack

@AviD I agree. It does feel nice to be back on your face.

Simon

Just. Fucking. Burn.

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Q: CAN ANYBODY HELP ME TO FIX THIS PROBLEM

I AM HAVING A PROBLEM WITH MY GMAIL ACCOUNT.I CAN'T SIGN IN.AN ERROR IS OCCURING:Error 150 (net::ERR_SSL_PINNED_KEY_NOT_IN_CERT_CHAIN): The server's certificate appears to be a forgery

ssl

Scott Pack

17:32

@Simon Don't forget to say "eh, sorry"

Simon

Caps lock panic always pisses me off.

GO AWAY TOM LEEK.

Tom Leek

@Simon UPPERCASE IS GOOD. PANIC IS WHAT HAPPENS TO OTHER PEOPLE.

Simon

Wow. That was weird.

Does that mean that only small bear yells?

I'm surprised that I'm the only one who downvoted. You guys are nice.

Scott Pack

Onion Bear, much like Death, is only capable of speaking in uppercase.

Simon

You're weird too.

I have 3 pending flags, it's even a slow day mod-wise.

Oh by the way, how many characters are there in a keyboard?

Scott Pack

17:41

Depends on the keyboard.

Simon

So, typically how do you calculate the odds of bruteforcing a password?

x^n

I need the x.

No, I'm not asking a homework question, it's not my fault if I'm thinking of homework questions all by myself.

Basically the question would be how many different characters can there be in a password?

Does it depend on the encoding?

@ScottPack You're retagging your answers again, I see you.

Scott Pack

/me sighs

pulledpork is cranking me out

The number of characters on a keyboard isn't the same as the number of characters available in a password set.

Simon

What's that number then?

Scott Pack

Depends on what character set you're looking at. Does it allow specials? Non-ASCII? French? Kanji?

Thomas Pornin

@Simon Typical 105-key keyboards happen to contain, on average, 105 keys.

Simon

17:49

@ScottPack Let's say UTF-8.

Since it's the most popular.

Thomas Pornin

@Simon UTF-8 is an encoding. You mean "Unicode"

Scott Pack

My keyboard has 94 direct characters it can type using the shift key.

Simon

@ThomasPornin I have no idea.

Thomas Pornin

In Unicode there are about 105000 code points

Simon

I just want the damn number.

You guys are being soooo vague.

Thomas Pornin

17:50

there is room for more than a million, but 105000 are defined

Scott Pack

I think you are confusing vagueness with specificity.

Thomas Pornin

On a normal keyboard you can type at least all the printable ASCII, so all characters from 32 (space) to 126

Scott Pack

Oh, right. Space. So on my keyboard I can reasonably type 95 characters.

Simon

@ThomasPornin So, 126-32?

Thomas Pornin

which means 95 distinct characters. You can also type on arrows and Esc and Enter and so on, but you cannot enter this keys in the password entry field

@Simon +1. Don't forget the boundary. So 95, not 94.

Simon

17:51

Yay! Thanks.

Scott Pack

However that doesn't mean that the password set would allow all 95.

Thomas Pornin

But, of course, a French or, God forbids, a Canadian, can also type accentuated letters.

And you can enter extra codes with some combinations, e.g. Alt+three digits on Windows.

Scott Pack

There are plenty of places that I see don't accept special characters which would be....62. Maybe 63 if they don't consider space to be special.

Thomas Pornin

With the X11 "input methods" you can type thousands of characters

Simon

Jesus, we're still not quite close.

Thomas Pornin

17:53

Ok, let's make things simpler.

Suppose that you want to crack the password of an American user.

Scott Pack

Yes. Let's dumb it down to Simon.

Simon

LOL asshole.

Alright, let's go for an American.

Thomas Pornin

Then it is highly improbable that the password contains non-ASCII characters.

Simon

Yes.

Thomas Pornin

That Yankee would not know how to type a "é" or a "€" anyway.

Simon

17:54

Damn rednecks.

Thomas Pornin

so he has 95 characters available.

HOWEVER,

Scott Pack

That's true, I don't know how to type blocks.

Thomas Pornin

not all characters are equiprobable.

See, even @Scott had forgotten about the space

Simon

Like the alphabet + numbers are far more probable.

Xander

@ThomasPornin Don't you just copy and paste from charmap? I always assumed that was how foreigners typed.

4

Thomas Pornin

17:55

@Xander I am not foreigner. You are.

Scott Pack

@Xander ferner

Simon

Man, bruteforcing is an art.

Thomas Pornin

@Simon It is partly psychological

Scott Pack

@ThomasPornin Your mother smelled of elderberry.

Simon

Do bruteforce algorithm actually take this into consideration?

Stuff like location, etc.

Thomas Pornin

17:57

@Simon Sometimes, yes.

Competent attackers do.

Simon

However, it might be hard to tell the location of the user depending on the situation.

That's pretty neat.

Thomas Pornin

If I were to try to break the password of a German, I'd use a German dictionary to begin with.

Simon

Yeah.

Xander

@ThomasPornin It's so cute how uneducated and primitive you foreigners can be. Don't worry though, one day we'll send the Peace Corps to your land to teach you about tupperware and basketball.

Thomas Pornin

@Simon If I don't have the slightest idea of who my target could be, then why would I spend efforts to break his password ?

Simon

17:59

@ThomasPornin Well yeah, you have a point.

Unless you know that this person has access to a certain system.

But yeah, chances are that you know some stuff about him.

Scott Pack

@Xander And McDonald's

@Simon Also it helps to know the system the passwords came from. If, for example, the service won't let you start your password with a number then you can take those out of your dictionary.

Thomas Pornin

@ScottPack Impossible ! How would you call a quarter-pounder in a country which uses the metric system ?

Simon

@ScottPack So, you should never implement requirements like these.

Scott Pack

@Simon I've known of people, when attempting to brute force passwords from webapps, attempt to sign up at that website. Try a bunch of weird passwords and figure out what their requirements are.

@ThomasPornin A Royale with Cheese.

Simon

@ScottPack That's clever.

Xander

18:01

►

Simon

@Xander Where did you find this video of my mom?

Scott Pack

Ok, so that place requires password of between 4 and 25 characters, must contain a number, and no semicolons.

@Simon My camcorder.

Xander

@Simon Your mother is a Mulumbo tribeswoman?

Thomas Pornin

@ScottPack Actually it is "Royal cheese" (both in the movie quote, and in the real World)

Simon

@ScottPack So, it becomes quite easier to bruteforce.

Scott Pack

18:03

@ThomasPornin Sorry, it's been a decade since I saw that.

Simon

@Xander She's very special.

Scott Pack

Or longer.

@Simon Exactly. You can take all those out of your dictionary and not bother checking them.

Brute forcing is usually considered cheap and weak. But you know what? It's what everyone does.

You get a hash list and start your brute forcer. Let it run while you go do everything else.

Simon

Well, I'm sure it's unsuccessful most of the times anyway.

Scott Pack

Maybe you get in a different way, maybe your 'root' password is 'toor'.

Simon

I really should code a bruteforce.

And definitely not in PHP.

Scott Pack

18:06

I recommend Erlang.

Simon

Never heard of it.

I was thinking Python.

Developer Ericsson

Really? Weird.

Lucas Kauffman

had my first social engineering assigment today

Scott Pack

What's her number?

Simon

Was it about figuring out a person's password by learning stuff of his life?

Because we had the same here.

My ex still hasn't replied to how she wants to split stuff.

She has a degree in Law, I think I might be fucked.

Lucas Kauffman

@ScottPack 't was a client, not a she!

Thomas Pornin

18:22

@LucasKauffman Clients are only worth an "it", indeed.

Simon

That was rude.

Scott Pack

/me sighs

Trying to help debug a relatively minor bug in pulledpork.

Such that every time you update the rules it appends instead of replacing.

Simon

REALLY? Youtube is already showing me dating ads. I swear they're spying on me.

Thomas Pornin

@Simon Facebook account, maybe. Yours or hers.

Simon

@ThomasPornin Nothing was posted there.

That'd be creepy though.

Lucas Kauffman

18:29

@Simon they know

Simon

Google must work with the government quite a lot.

Adnan

18:44

@Lucas Company said no Belgium :(

@Simon Broke up with your hardcore DJ?

Simon

9D89Y23473HUJFNDSKFDSJFDS

HEADHUNTERZ SAID HARDSTYLE IS GROWING IN FINLAND HOW CAN YOU STILL BE SO RETARDED?

Man, it feels great to hit the caps lock button twice.

Adnan

@Simon Only two glassesthings grow in Finland: Potatoes and metal music.

TTwo things*

Simon

Just wait, just wait.

Adnan

FTucking Mobile!!!!

Rory McCune

@LucasKauffman coolio, what sort, on-site, phishing?

Adnan

18:51

@Simon We should start dating

Lucas Kauffman

@RoryMcCune on-site

Simon

I don't know it's only been 5 days.

Lucas Kauffman

@RoryMcCune had to bullshit myself in

we used a double approach

Simon

I feel like our relationship would be a rebound.

Rory McCune

@LucasKauffman how did it go?

Lucas Kauffman

18:52

@RoryMcCune we got in, but we weren't able to steal the token

Rory McCune

@LucasKauffman what was the token?

Lucas Kauffman

@RoryMcCune a special document which said top secret

Adnan

@Simon 5 days!!! That's very long already!

Lucas Kauffman

@RoryMcCune but I feel that they knew we were coming

Rory McCune

@LucasKauffman interesting, quite a specific target... what ruse did you use to get in?

Adnan

18:53

So, any melons while I was away?

Rory McCune

@LucasKauffman yeah that's always a potential problem, that sort of info gets around in a company I reckon.

Lucas Kauffman

@RoryMcCune I walked in with a 1850 under my arm and a tool box, told them I was going to place a new server. I made sure the IT guy was out for lunch when I walked in

and she almost let me pass, but then another lady came in and she called the it guy

and then it went down hill from there

Scott Pack

@Adnan Might want to see a doctor.

Rory McCune

@LucasKauffman ah tricky one. if it's a smaller office that could be difficult..

Lucas Kauffman

@RoryMcCune It's an office with 10 people max and only 1 entrance

Scott Pack

18:55

It's also suspicious when someone with a German accent says they're here to install the new server. It's too much like the opening of a cheap porno.

Rory McCune

I remember the EY UK guys got into some bother 'cause they impersonated people from a real utility company, which apparently isn't allowed...

@LucasKauffman oy that's nasty for a first assignment

big offices are much easier..

Lucas Kauffman

@RoryMcCune I made a fictitious company with a fictitious invoice

Rory McCune

@LucasKauffman safe. when I'm doing wireless gigs and wandering around offices with a laptop, I always wonder how long it will be before I get challenged... almost never happens..

Lucas Kauffman

@RoryMcCune processingmagazine.com/articles/…

that was EY as well

Simon

@LucasKauffman I'd actually LOVE to do that.

Lucas Kauffman

18:57

@RoryMcCune if you get past the initial security, especially in a large company, no one will bother you at all

Rory McCune

@LucasKauffman heh that does sound like something a pen. testing company would do , the USB stick is like a standard one these days I recon

Lucas Kauffman

@RoryMcCune the complete story about that is really really good though :P

Rory McCune

@LucasKauffman heard about a good technique at a meeting I was at. When someone sends out papers for a meeting, send out a follow-up spoofed mail with "updated papers" to your target

Lucas Kauffman

@RoryMcCune ooh interesting

@RoryMcCune there's another technique we're going to do :P

@RoryMcCune do you have gtalk?

or skype

Rory McCune

@LucasKauffman I got it from a Gov.CERT guy it was cool

Lucas Kauffman

19:01

skype you have

Rory McCune

@LucasKauffman also gtalk [email protected]

Rory Alsop

20:26

evening all

some quick questions: anyone else think this is unanswerable and should be closed?

-1

Q: How trustworthy is SELinux?

Given the ongoing leaks concerning mass surveillance and the fact that the NSA is the original developer of SELinux, I'm wondering whether that means that backdoors should be expected in there? As every other obfuscated C contest, not at last the Underhanded C Contest, shows, well-written backdo...

linux selinux

tylerl

@RoryAlsop yup

Rory Alsop

and I agree with @Gilles on this one - shall we close as dupe?

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Q: How to defeat software keyloggers

Is it possible to defeat software keyloggers? I remember reading long ago about programs run from a USB which will defeat keyloggers. The software works (if I remember correctly) by intercepting keyboard events to the system, and randomly replacing your keystrokes with random keys, and then co...

antimalware keyloggers

tylerl

@RoryAlsop Who else here has ever written a keylogger?

It's a fun exercise.

Rory Alsop

@tylerl did one in Z80 back in the day :-)

not done one since

never properly learned the Intel code set. Got pretty good at 6800 and 68000 though

tylerl

@RoryAlsop Mine was for Windows back in the win2000 days. Turns out that windows actually provides a "log all keystrokes" hook right there in the API.

Gilles

20:41

@tylerl of course, how else would you program alternate keyboards, global keyboard shortcuts, and other useful applications?

@RoryAlsop meh, if you close this one someone else will ask it, and the Bear's answer is good

Rory Alsop

@Gilles the good answer is what saves it...maybe I'll see if I can slightly reword the question

Thomas Pornin

@Simon Eh. Done.

Dammit, undone.

Some rogue mod migrated a question, exporting 30 rep points from me.

Rory Alsop

@ThomasPornin probably me - which question? Oh I migrated a crypto one - to Crypto :-)

Thomas Pornin

@RoryAlsop Yes, I cannot even rationally complain. I can still irrationally grumble, though.

Rory Alsop

@ThomasPornin pffft - my thinking is that if we can ping good crypto questions (or even average ones) over, it speeds up your graduation

Thomas Pornin

20:48

Turns out that a lot of my rep in crypto.SE over the last year is from migrating questions from security.SE.

Rory Alsop

and here we are in a position where we aren't substantially impacted by the loss of it (in terms of numbers etc)

@ThomasPornin not surprised

you answer very quickly here, before the mods can migrate em

Thomas Pornin

It has been brought to my attention that my #1 status on crypto.SE might be threatened, so I should go there a bit more.

Rory Alsop

@ThomasPornin - this question. You say it is the same as the previous one - do you think same enough to close as dupe?

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Q: Is there any way to cryptographically hash a human thumbprint?

Is there any way to cryptographically hash a human thumbprint into a form that can be consistently reproduced by thumbprint readers? Assuming that it would be possible to create a database of thumbprint-hashes, my intent is to salt that hash with a "something you know", preventing the thumbpri...

authentication hash biometrics

and secondary to that - should either/both of them go to crypto?

Gilles

@RoryAlsop no: there's a nontrivial step to reduce one to the other

@RoryAlsop no: it would probably be on-topic on crypto but it's also on-topic here

Rory Alsop

@Gilles no worries - I thought that but your statement made me think twice

time for me to go and have wine then...

later folks

Gilles

20:51

@RoryAlsop have you got me confused with a bear?

Rory Alsop

@Gilles ah - yes

mushroom / bear / so easily mistaken...

(wups)

obviously really need wine

Thomas Pornin

@RoryAlsop Yes, they both are biological entities.

@RoryAlsop More wine or much less wine, indeed. You can't stay stuck in the middle.

Gilles

@RoryAlsop strictly speaking, I'm not a mushroom, I'm part of one

tylerl

@Gilles And strictly speaking, Thomas is only the head of a bear

Gilles

@tylerl I think Thomas's avatar represents a whole bear, even though it does not display a complete 2D projection of a bear. Conversely, my avatar displays a complete 2D projection of a mushroom, but that is not what it represents.

u_______

^^^^ this is not a pipe

tylerl

20:56

@Gilles I think you need to quit smoking yourself

tylerl

21:20

Good lord I hate other people's PHP code.

WHY IS EVERYONE SO STUPID?

Griffin

@tylerl I dislike other peoples code in general. Other people don't think the way I do so my mind rejects it.

tylerl

@Griffin There's some truth to that, but I read other people's code so often that I'm used to that. But PHP programmers. Wow they are a clueless lot.

Griffin

@tylerl :P Maybe they think really different?

Rory McCune

so next time we'd like an answer from @ThomasPornin I reckon this graphic should be used.

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tylerl

@Griffin Yeah. Really, really different.

Griffin

21:23

@tylerl They're just "special"

tylerl

@RoryMcCune Bear, batman, and Game of Thrones, all in one.

@Griffin I wish I could show you this code. Because this certainly is "short bus" material.

Griffin

@tylerl Why not? PHP is rarely all that special.

@tylerl In basic form.

@tylerl Then again if it's short bus material.... it could be a problem. It's still not as bad as a guy that included his private key for captcha in a comment in HTML.....

tylerl

@Griffin why not what?

Griffin

@tylerl Show me.

tylerl

@Griffin client=NDA.

as a rule

Griffin

21:26

@tylerl Do more basic things so you can show me.

@tylerl NDAs are important. Secrets are good.

David Freitag

22:10

@tylerl So work some magic with black text + black background.

Gilles

22:39

> Sorry for posting a potencialy out-of-topick question here, but I hope someone could come with a solution before it is closed.

tylerl

@Gilles Flag.

Gilles

@tylerl why?

I voted to close, what else should I do?

tylerl

@Gilles I flagged, cause this is more than just off topic, the user knows its OT and was hoping to get some tech support before it was closed.

Rory Alsop

23:05

Vote to close almost got it, but the flag did point me straight at it :-)

Xander

@RoryAlsop You're too quick! Cost me a first post review. :-P

But the time I got it open it told me "The post had already been closed."

tylerl

Opinion Poll: Centos 6 or Ubuntu 12.04 LTS? (or something else?)

(for server)

Xander

23:24

@tylerl My vote is for Ubuntu 12.04 LTS, but my opinion isn't worth much. I'm a Linux hack, and I only run it personally and in labs. For me, it's a bit easier to work with than CentOS, but that may be primarily due to my lack of experience with it.

tylerl

My Desktop is ubuntu, but of the servers I've managed for people, some 90% use centos

Gilles

@tylerl ubuntu

for a server, or debian

tylerl

@Gilles why's that?

Gilles

@tylerl religion?

tylerl

@Gilles what, for a server, does debian have over ubuntu that doesn't apply for a desktop?

beside religion

Gilles

23:29

@tylerl because in terms of automating things like package provisioning, dropping libraries and documentation in the right place, registering handlers for file formats, etc., debian > ubuntu >> centos

but in terms of support for recent hardware and nice out-of-the-box configuration for desktop users, ubuntu > debian >> centos

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