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02:13
@RoryM tell me how you find them might pick one up for the misses
 
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03:57
@RoryMcCune Do keep us updated. It looks interesting.
 
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07:05
@TerryChia @LucasKauffman sure, theoretically I'll get it on Tuesday, so should be able to have a look at it then .. must say if it's any good they could do quite well with those at £60, although I'll be kind of surprised if the screen is much good at that price
 
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09:14
@RoryMcCune Yeah, but it could be an interesting toy to play with though.
10:03
10
Q: Should I let my "beginnerishness" hold me back? (not rhetorical)

AerovistaeMy situation is that I've been programming for about three years and have learned a lot but still have a long long way to go. I have an idea for an app that I believe would take off, but I'm afraid to build it because it involves architecting a back-end with databases and authenticated payment t...

I feel like adding a "For god's sake don't do it, we don't need another app with major security holes in it".. But that would be too mean.
 
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11:15
@RoryMcCune Wow!
@Gilles Hahaha! Probably referring to selinux?
@TerryChia I am. I don't know what mr paranoid was refering to but it's probably that after a chain of Chinese whispers.
@Gilles At least his paragraphs are reasonably coherent.
11:33
@Gilles hahahahahaha.
> help me friends
11:50
@Gilles I have added a wee comment, as the only other one was a bit brusque. I'm not a cryptographer though, so I might have been more optimistic than I should have been.
12:27
0
A: Doubling up or cycling encryption algorithms

docesamCascading encryption algorithms do make the ciphertext more secure, provided that both encryption algorithms are radically different and both had extensive peer reviews. My arguments for that are the following: Provided that encryption algorithm #1 is really secure one, encrypting the plaintext...

well this was funny enough to edit for clarity e.t.c.
 
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13:34
Make me feel better.
@TerryChia On the note about Arch what system are you installing it on?
@Griffin I used it to build several "dedicated job" VMs, as well as on a old 10~ years old desktop I wanted to run something really lightweight on.
I ended up scrapping the desktop in favor of Lubuntu because I just couldn't get my printer driver working for Arch though.
@TerryChia I thought so if you can control the situation it seems a lot easier
Also older PCs work you have less added work with all the funny new stuff.
@Griffin I see, maybe that's an issue. I use Fedora on my primary desktop though, it's just a lot easier to have a complete desktop package available out of the box.
@TerryChia That's what I ended up installing then I took it off for Linux Mint.
@Griffin Yeah, Mint is pretty nice. I'm a yum fan though, so I'll stick with Fedora. :P
13:42
But yea try it with Uefi and disabling secure boot and just all around wanting to kill yourself. Ohh and then I got it installed (I think) but as I was adding the skin thing apparently grub shit itself. This is the question I ended up asking unix.stackexchange.com/questions/70538/…
@TerryChia I found yum to not have as much stuff as I wanted. I don't think I exactly gave it a fair chance however. I'm used to apt and found yum kinda confusing.
@Griffin Yeah, apt-get has quite a few added features compared to yum. I got my intro to Linux with RHEL though, so I guess I'm just used to yum.
It's really a matter of taste.
Also do you know where to find the reference stuff for PHP? I managed to find something like it on the php website but I need a download this is what I found : php.net/manual/en/index.php
@Griffin At least on yum you can do a yum install php-manual-en.
Mint probably has a similar package available.
@TerryChia Yes, the anchoring effect is very strong. I admit I have a problem with it in some places yet in others I seem to be good with it.
@TerryChia I'm not on Linux :P I actually had to uninstall it on every machine because I wanted Windows for games.
@Griffin This maybe? php.net/download-docs.php
@Griffin You do know SE's chat has a reply-to feature right?
Click that little arrow to the right of a message to reply to it.
13:50
@TerryChia I know but is there a hot key feature? I can type faster than I can click with the auto fill thing.
@Griffin alt+F4
@Griffin Ahh, no idea about hotkeys. It's easier for people to follow if you use the reply-to though.
@LucasKauffman >.> I've played enough video games to know what that does you meany head.
@Griffin That isn't the docs. That's just the PHP plugin for VS.
I think the link I posted should be it.
13:52
@TerryChia What does it do that's special? I can get if it's like replying to something over time. And I know the plugin is but that helps a lot because it's in the IDE. I'll download the thing you posted hopefully it works.
"Ain't nothin' micro about their soft." Probably the funniest thing I can remember us saying in here.
@Griffin You can click the arrow to the left of a reply-to message to actually see which message it's replying to. It's helpful when there are several conversations going on at once.
@Griffin You really are new here aren't you? :P
@TerryChia :/ Guess I'll use it when the DMZ is more active.
@TerryChia The schools boy, I haven't been in them. I couldn't even use HTML two days ago. I flipped shit like "WTF is this. I know this shit it's fucking idiot proof. How can I not do this?!?!?" I was pissed at myself.
@TerryChia beep beep
@LucasKauffman Ah yeah, got the text.
Beep beep?
13:55
@Griffin yea we are sexting now, it's our thing you know.
>.> Nobody ever lets me text them. Then again I don't have a phone so that's more understanddable.
@LucasKauffman Seems legit.
@Griffin you haven't used HTML before?
@Griffin you're going to have a blast with CSS and debugging
@LucasKauffman Lmao of course of I have. It's just I couldn't remember anythingggg
@LucasKauffman I hate CSS <.>
@LucasKauffman Fuck, you just reminded me of my workload tomorrow. :(
@TerryChia firebug and dragongfly ftw :p
13:57
@LucasKauffman It's still a goddamn pain in the ass.
@TerryChia What you up to tomorrow?
@Griffin Work sadly.
@TerryChia I know :p especially when you forget to clear stuff
@TerryChia hey, enjoy it, you will be doing it the next 40 - 50 years
I hate the word tomorrow. I can't spell it for shit. I'm worse with Wednesday tho.
@LucasKauffman It's just... I strongly dislike working on CRUD stuff.
14:00
You know what? YOLO lets codeacademy some shit so I can think.
@TerryChia :p
I feel beyond pathetic right now. Like I'm doing HTML on Codeacademy..... this is pretty bad.
@Griffin you can call yourself an html master if you can make decent looking forms without using tables
Oh btw, I think I got my little GitHub search thingy going pretty well. I'll just have to code some logic to stop me from pulling duplicate data and thinking of search terms.
friend of mine tweeted this today: "I'm using handsoap to wash my feet #YOLO"
14:02
@LucasKauffman <div> and CSS. shudders
@LucasKauffman That's actually part of what I'm trying to fix on another website. The dude who made this one law firms website made every single page in tables.
The whole page.
And his fucking anti spam check is shit.
@Griffin lol full retard ftw
@LucasKauffman Actually it looks clean as fuck afonsobaker.com/index.html
tssss
@Griffin I can do better
@Griffin Any nice security holes in there??
14:04
@LucasKauffman Of course you can but it still looks clean cut. This made me die inside a little tho "<script language='javascript'>
var i;
//alert('asdf');
var gPresArray=['Zurich','Vienna','Geneva','Vancouver','Auckland','Dusseldorf','Munich','Frankfurt','Bern','Sydney','Copenhagen','Wellington','Amsterdam','Brussels','Toronto','Berlin','Melbourne','Luxembourg','Ottawa','Stockholm','Perth','Montreal','Nurnberg','Oslo','Dublin','Calgary','Hamburg','Honolulu','Helsinki','Adelaide','Singapore','Paris','Brisbane','Tokyo','Lyon','Boston','Yokohama','London','Kobe','Milan','Barcelona','Madrid','
@TerryChia I didn't check anything but that. Also he updated it as it seems. He used to only have 8.
If you have Chrome this should work check it out view-source:afonsobaker.com/contact.html
Aww it didn't post the view source.
@Griffin This was the first site I ever built for a company: 2mpublicaffairs.be
It's written in Drupal
@LucasKauffman While very clean, the text is really small. Plus it seems to take a while to load. Due to the fact that when you're in trouble and you want I lawyer I figured that a mobile website that loads fast is best. That's why it's gonna be a simple PHP
@Griffin I didn't do the design :p
14:08
@Griffin That took a while to load? Are you on dialup or something? :P
I just translated the design to CSS
and Drupal
@LucasKauffman faints
But yea I went through their website and just obliterated everything in it. They actually offered to pay me but I didn't want that and I knew I wasn't going to do it very fast so I just said screw it, I'll do it just for the experience.
@TerryChia I'm actually download 55 GB of games. Humble bundle right now is crazy. Their special even as linux games if you wanna check that out.
@TerryChia My name is Lucas and I used to use PHP.
@LucasKauffman You hating on PHP? :(
14:10
@Griffin Yeah, i gotta go get that bundle.
@Griffin That's the general attitude towards PHP around here.
@LucasKauffman Also check out the picture on the main page of the law firm. The black guy looks like he has no ears.
@TerryChia Why? :(
@Griffin cuz PHP suuuuuuxx :-)
Why tho?
@Griffin the black guy is mandatory
don't ask me! maybe they were high!
@Griffin kidding... well, mostly, anyway.
14:12
@LucasKauffman Of course, if you had all white guys you'd be racist.
Our company systematically makes sure we have: 1 chinese, 1 black guy and 1 woman at least in the pictures
and as @RoryMcCune say, he loves PHP, it always gives him plenty of work.
@AviD I'll book mark it and read it later, I'm currently feeling pathetic.
@Griffin heh, didnt read the transcript, I assume it is related to the PHP?
@AviD Nope, I currently am too stupid to use HTML. So yea trying to kill myself now.
Not even CSS, HTML.
14:14
personally I don't hate it (despite me being pretty vocal against it), I just dont like reading code in it, and I woudlnt write in it.
just in general...
just happen to greatly prefer other options.
I used to be ok with PHP. Then I had to write a project in the monstrosity that is Zend Framework.
@AviD That analogy is hilarious.
Uhg I have to go find my list of things wrong with the website. At one point they were advertising a case they ended up losing :P
> And the carpenters show you the houses they’ve built, where every room is a pentagon and the roof is upside-down. And you knock on the front door and it just collapses inwards and they all yell at you for breaking their door.
not sure if I already posted this here:
Idk there's some pretty sexy Swiss.
14:35
> Perl is “some assembly required”. Python is “batteries included”. PHP is “kitchen sink, but it’s from Canada and both faucets are labeled C”.
5
Genius!
@Simon
@TerryChia What I find clever is that you can use a play on words with "Some assembly required"
@Griffin Heh.
@TerryChia C is “some assembly required”. Python is “batteries included”. So is Perl, but the instructions are in ancient Korean.
PHP is “kitchen sink, pity they didn't connect the plumbing”
> PHP basically runs as CGI. Every time a page is hit, PHP recompiles the whole thing before executing it. Even dev servers for Python toy frameworks don’t act like this.
I didn't know this. WTF?
14:50
@TerryChia that's your first WTF in that article??
I love his list of reference sites at the end: PHP Turtles, PHP Sadness, PHP WTF, ...
@AviD Nah, I already muttered "what the flying fuck" to myself more times than I can count.
@TerryChia hehe, exactly.
I'm glad I got out of that cesspool of a language before I got that familiar with it.
It's not that I have a hate thing with PHP, it's just that I'm sane.
@AviD You can't be in this career if you're sane. You have be a kinving tricky bastard.
Fuck how you you spell kaniving properly/
14:52
@AviD Thanks for the link btw, I'm gonna send that to whoever suggest I use PHP in the future.
@Griffin conniving
Just read some quotes from the guy who originally created PHP: things like "I hate programming", "I dont bother with all those things you learned in CS class", etc...
@Griffin hehe, true, perhaps not sane, but enjoy my rationality.
@TerryChia Thank you, my spelling is no good.
@AviD Rational is okay. Sane is not.
@TerryChia I found it here, several times. Don't remember who originally posted it.
-37
A: Trying to Validate URL Using JavaScript

qammar ferozYou can try this short code to validate a url in a form: function checkURL(value) { var urlregex = new RegExp("^(http:\/\/www.|https:\/\/www.|ftp:\/\/www.|www.){1}([0-9A-Za-z]+\.)"); if (urlregex.test(value)) { return (true); } return (false); }

14:59
@Gilles I am unaware why this relates to me but that's a lot of down votes.
ohh
That's an answer
negative-scoring accepted answer
@Griffin Ehh, I'll downvote that if I had enough rep. That's just plain bad advice.
I believe this one is the record across all SE:
-62
A: Why use try … finally without a catch clause?

Pankaj UpadhyayCatching errors/exception and handling them in a neat manner is highly recommended even if not mandatory. The reason I say this is because I believe every developer should know and tackle the behavior of his/her application otherwise he hasn't completed his job in a duly manner. There is no sit...

@Gilles Downvote what?
That dude even has some high rep...
15:07
I suck a phrasing questions..... stackoverflow.com/posts/14732960/revisions
See the problem is the people who know the answer interpret the question differently than people who don't. While I really shouldn't of said infinite the answer I have to this question is my second favorite answer ever. First was to my hashing question on here stackoverflow.com/questions/14802527/…
I love going over my old questions :)
@TerryChia Where you the meany head? Who was the meanie head that downvoted it?
@TerryChia It was awesome answer. The thing is he'd never be satisfied with anything else. He'd always be wondering. Plus it's the only true guaranteed answer. And with the price of hardware and the fact that it seemed to be a laptop it's worth the piece of mind and not worth attempted salvation.
@TerryChia So, that's why I like PHP!
@Griffin No, the appropriate answer is that reformatting the laptop will probably do the trick. Telling the user to destroy his laptop just because tech support installed some remote assistance software is overkill.
@TerryChia Over kill is peace of mind.
@Griffin It's stupid and unnecessary. It's a desktop. It's not a high target server.
@TerryChia so's your mom.
15:20
You are also doing disservice to someone who comes across that post looking for advice on what to do because of the OP's unnecessary paranoia.
@AviD Cmon, you are slipping. That wasn't really good. :P
@TerryChia neither was your mom.
@TerryChia It's not about it being necessary it's about him being at piece of mind. If he wanted to know "What's the most effective way to get rid of remote software" my answer would of been different however based on his name and his explination of how freaked out he is I figured the only way he'd be happy is if it was gone. He seemed to think so also.....
@AviD Alright, that one is better.
@TerryChia ("stupid and unnecessary" -> so's your mom, not the desktop/server comment.)
@AviD Everybody makes mistakes, @TerryChia 's just another one of those mistakes.
15:23
@Griffin So your idea of a good answer is one that tells the OP what he wants to hear instead of providing accurate advice that is actually fitting for his situation...? Real nice.....
HEEEELLLLOOO
@TerryChia @Griffin ohh, you're a consultant. Why didn't you say so?
@Adnan Shooo
@TerryChia MAAAAAA!
@TerryChia Actually fitting for the situation? Well how else to you expect a 100% promise? If you want 100% you gotta go to the extremes. And this is a case where it mattered if the OP got to hear what he wanted to hear. Seemed pretty clear that he wasn't worried about the practicality of someone remoting back in it seemed he wanted peace of mind. That is peace of mind in a way that he can't doubt. Have you ever done like simple hardware work with a family member or even professionals?
15:27
"Nuke it from orbit. It's the only way to be sure."
Once you've fixed their computer anything that happens afterwards is your fault because you touched something. Even if you did no such thing and give no fucks about their excel settings.
@AviD FUCK YEA
Actually disappointed noone referenced that.
@AviD I don't think that really applies to physically destroying the machine to remove a simple remote assistance tool.....
@TerryChia How did you not notice that fact that he didn't want rational probability. He pretty much says it in the question.
@TerryChia no, of course not. Why would nuking involve any physical destruction? ;-)
but yeah, at first read I didnt realize he meant physical destruction.
Though that does have certain OfficeSpace-like benefits....
15:30
@TerryChia Also don't destroy it. I ment just throw it out. Or he could give it to a family member who wouldn't use it for sensitive documents or work :P
@Griffin You got the tick because you told the OP what he wanted to hear. It doesn't mean that your answer was necessarily a good one, that's why you got the downvotes. I stand by what I said, if I had enough rep on SU I would have downvoted that answer.
@TerryChia The thing is you keep wanting to apply a cost / chance to the situation. The OP didn't care about the Cost / Chance.
@Gilles wot? it's the accepted answer? :OOO
@TildalWave Bro, he wants 100% you give him 100%
1 min ago, by Terry Chia
@Griffin You got the tick because you told the OP what he wanted to hear. It doesn't mean that your answer was necessarily a good one, that's why you got the downvotes. I stand by what I said, if I had enough rep on SU I would have downvoted that answer.
15:34
@Griffin I didn't read the question as such at all
@Gilles what's the vote stats on that answer? I can't see... no rep there
@TildalWave The question was about getting piece of mind so I told him how to get peace of mind. Everyone else wanted to apply a cost / chance ratio. He didn't want that. That's why I got accepted even if downvoted.
@Griffin I think you're talking of some other question :P I was referring to the one on Programmers with the current vote of -62 and yet accepted ;)
@TildalWave which answer?
@TerryChia I wouldn't tell the OP what he wanted to hear if it didn't solve the problem. If the OP wants to hear he can do it one way and it still solves the problem I don't really see a problem with doing it that way. Unless it's not efficient (which this wasn't) then I will present that option, however in this case it was quite clear he had already concidered and did not like the efficient way.
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A: Why use try … finally without a catch clause?

Pankaj UpadhyayCatching errors/exception and handling them in a neat manner is highly recommended even if not mandatory. The reason I say this is because I believe every developer should know and tackle the behavior of his/her application otherwise he hasn't completed his job in a duly manner. There is no sit...

15:39
@Griffin I almost want to reply to that with "That's what he said..." ;-)
@TildalWave +6-68
@AviD Ohhh I worded it for that.
@Gilles cheers!
@AviD Don't think that was a mistake.
@Griffin thats worse.
15:40
@AviD I told you. No sanity. Plus I've been around here long enough to know it would amuse you.
And some other peoples
@Griffin Eh, I'm done with this. The OP obviously liked your answer so he gave you the tick. That doesn't make it a good answer so you got the downvotes. There really is no point in discussing it any further when you obviously disagree.
@TerryChia No! Continue to argue pointlessly! Cmooon! What do you think this is, Sparta? THIS IS THE INTERNET!!!
@TerryChia What was wrong with my last comment about fixing the problem :( When people want it a certain way and they're in control it doesn't matter what you suggest if they aren't satisfied the won't do it.
@AviD EXACTLY
@AviD Eh, I'm about to head to bed so I'm not gonna argue any further. Start this again in 8 hours and I'll argue all you want. :P
@Griffin I think @TerryChia's point is that answers shouldn't be yes-men, they should give the correct answer - even if (especially if) the asker wouldn't like that answer.
15:43
@AviD Yes, exactly.
Ok, before I go.
> For somebody who wants to start up a web-based business armed with only an idea, brute force, and awkwardness, the allure of PHP is almost magical. It has a rich ecosystem of boiler plate sites and code, the documentation is good quality and very easy to access, and "complex" ideas like the ternary operator or inheritance is largely hidden from the end user.
WHAT THE FUCK?
How the hell is PHP documentation "good quality"?
@TerryChia Hehehehehehehe
Who said that?!
@Adnan Some comment in that link @AviD posted.
@AviD I know that's the point :P But if the user doesn't feel as if the answer truly solves the underlying problem (in this case fix the his fears completely and he did say that he understands his fears aren't logical) then is it really concidered the correct answer? In order to fix an illogical situation you have to apply an illogical solution.
@TerryChia and if you find the ternary operator, or the concept of inheritance, to be complex ideas, you really have no business developing web systems.
15:47
@AviD Go to a mental hospital ;) You learn that real fast.
@Griffin ... or fix the illogic.
@AviD Lol it seemed clear that he understood it was illogical but didn't care.
I find with those people the only answer you can give them is the answer they want to hear. They won't accept anything else as an answer. Plus in this case it didn't do too much harm and made him feel better. White lies, while lies are usually better than the truth.
Don't call a girl fat. Even if she is.
I think one of the most damaging statements to our craft made by a well meaning, otherwise intelligent person, was when NYC Mayor Bloomberg announced that he will learn to program during the summer, and everybody else should too.
@Griffin Except that the OP isn't gonna be the only person reading that answer so you are doing a disservice to the people who comes into SU searching for actual solutions to their problems.
No. Wrong. Programming is not something you "pick up" over the summer, it is not a side hobby for politicians.
15:51
Guys however will usually just stand up, grab their belly, and and shake it at you. Then just go "you want a piece of this".
Programming is hard, damn hard, even with excelllent language and tool support.
@AviD Idk politicians aren't really sane. They'd probably be pretty good programmers.
Your brain needs to work in a certain way.
@AviD I think the word he wants is actually "scripting". Learning to write some simple bash/python scripts to automate task can help a lot of people.
And if it doesn't, then get the hell out.
@TerryChia a certain type of people, doing a certain type of jobs, then sure.
I dont think thats what he meant.
@Griffin Then he is wrong. yes, there is such a thing as the question being wrong.
15:53
@TerryChia Don't tell them that! I like the insane gap in programmers want and programmers available. Makes us valuable and needed. I like to feel needed <3
@AviD Wait what?
@AviD Oh you're talking about crazy guy. Yea I know.
@AviD This I agree. Most of the people taking the same course as I am are shitty programmers who can't write simple apps.
And I wouldn't even consider myself anywhere near being a competent programmer even though I'm one of the better few in my course of a hundred or so people.
I was always shocked and disbelieving at some of the stats I've seen, like how 60% of programmers are most productive when they are home sick (actually working makes them net negative productivity), 30% are harmless (but also nearly valueless), and 10% do almost all the work, including cleaning up from the first 60%.
Was disbelieving. Now, I have been around enough different companies, projects, programmers, and countries to know - at least anecdotally, but with quite a lot of anecdotes - that it is quite possibly worse.
at least, bad pentesters form a sort of crude QA, cheap to throw at the low hanging fruit. (as long as noone listens to their recommendations...)
I'm not with the sick part, you see if you're truly sick and home alone there aren't really as many distractions and you still want to get work done (if you have a project you don't want to fall behind).
most damage they do is drive down the price for low-level pentests...
@AviD Amen to that, it's the same even in my limited experience working with my coursemates.
Alright, bed time.
16:00
@Griffin I meant, as in not doing any work. But tbf, most of those wouldnt be working when they're home sick. Passion and competence usually go together.
@TerryChia Good night love.
@AviD Lol yea my teachers learn that the hard way.
@AviD What do you mean tho with they wouldn't be working? If you're truely passionate then wouldn't you want to work while you're at home? It doesn't take much effort you can do it while staying warm under the blankets (even if it's notably harder to type). I find however, I'm quite susceptible to distractions but that's because I end up going off on some other path and working on that :P
@Griffin exactly, I mean the highly incompetent 60% are usually not passionate, and therefore wouldnt be working.
though the "usually" is the operative word, anecdotally I know this is not 100% true (in both directions).
@AviD That makes more sense :P I am wondering however do you find you get off on like other projects? Lets say you're supposed to be doing a webpage but then for whatever reason someone wants you to debug an app in beta and you start doing that. While for you it may just be because you dislike web design more you can apply it to other situations.
wel, sadly I spend most of my time in consulting projects (most often not too much coding). But yeah, my tendency is to gravitate to the "easier" projects - easier to get into, i.e. "easier" meaning either projects I like, or lightweight project-lets that can be finished rather quickly.
long projects I dont like tend to take even longer.
16:18
@AviD Idk sometimes the really hard questions bother me to the point where my teacher in science yelled at me...... he was the only one to catch me.
Sorry for dela
delay
Why super user steal all our questions? :( superuser.com/questions/416275/…
 
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17:24
in You Are Here, 50 secs ago, by Geeo
mine was bigger, just saying
@Gilles What the hell is that room?
@Adnan Travel main room
@Gilles But but but.. it has photos of feet
@Adnan some people travel on foot
@Gilles Well, I use the computer while sitting on my ass, you don't see me posting photos of my ass here.
 
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19:11
I don't have the time to formulate a full answer right now, but the better way to share your code will be to use a service like GitHub. — Terry Chia 4 hours ago
@Terry You forgot to tell him he needs to include his config.php
19:41
Good day everybody
Hola.
@GreenFly Your greetings are are very inconsistent, have you moved lately?
@Simon hello Simon
how have you been doing?
@Adnan what do you mean?
@GreenFly Nothing, forget about it.
I'm glad you're not upset with me anymore!
@GreenFly I'm doing good, waiting for call to go see someone's car for sale so I can't feel any better!
Yourself?
19:46
@Adnan yes I am sorry for acting that way that day
@Simon what kind of car?
@GreenFly Subaru 2.5 RS 05
@GreenFly Don't worry about it. It happens to all of us
@Simon I don't think I saw one before
your profile says Canada. is the car good for the weather there?
@GreenFly They're quite popular, especially the newer models.
Absolutely, it's an all-wheel drive.
It does well in the snow.
If it's in great shape, I'm probably gonna do some lapping in the snow too.
@Simon very well then
19:50
@Simon What the what?! You have snow now up there?
@Adnan I think Simon mean later when there is snow
@Adnan Only during winter, of course.
I'm wearing shorts right now, don't worry, it's hot.
@Simon Oh I bet you are.
Oh.. I mean I bet it is
Has anybody been getting random upvotes lately?
It's quite strange, I've been getting upvotes on answers that aren't in the main page
I got a random upvote, yes.
12 days old question, not on the main page neither.
Plus it's a closed question, haha.
@Simon Quite interesting indeed
19:57
@Adnan is that a problem?
because from time to time I like to browse users answers and questions and upvote or down vote on them
@GreenFly Oh no, it's not a problem at all. I just found interesting
Nah, it just doesn't happen too often.
@GreenFly Actually, now that you say it, I see that you're one of the top voters this month
@Adnan yes sometimes when I am bored I just browse profiles and vote. is that a problem?
@GreenFly No no, I'm not saying it's a problem at all. You're fully entitled to upvote/downvote whatever you want. I just wanted to know how my "hidden" answers got upvoted, that's all.
But since you're at it, you can rep-cap me if you want :p
20:02
@Adnan I think it's wrong to ask for votes
@GreenFly I was mostly joking.
@Simon could use some capping as well.
Let's see what answers he's been posting lately
Well, good job on the 'blocked account' answer, @Simon
20:55
@Adnan Thank you sir.
21:14
polling for second opinion: is this
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Q: Using only password to authenticate user (no "username" field)

Gajus KuizinasI am creating a client access system, to allow manage invoices, make payments, access information about their products and information/functionality alike. Supposedly there are less than 1000 clients. Would there be any security threat to use only password (UUID v4 strings) to authenticate user?...

a complete dupe of
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Q: Why do we authenticate by prompting a user to enter both username and password? Does prompting the password only suffice?

LaTeXI don't know why do we authenticate by prompting the user to enter both username and password. In my mental model, prompting password only suffices. The reason is as follows: Assume there are x valid characters to use. Case 1 (prompting username and password) Let the length of username and pa...

? it is only slightly different, but just different enough for me to not be 100% sure at midnight.
@AviD no, because memorable passwords and UUIDs as identification+authentication tokens are very different
@Gilles that's the point where I was not so sure. However, my point there still stands: Identification and Authentication are not the same thing..
And shouldnt be conflated.
Feel free to answer that on both questions
but there are valid answers to each question that don't apply to the other one
so they aren't duplicates
heh. I would, if I was a repwhore.
@Gilles true. thanks.
there are plenty of systems that use a single code for authorization with no identification, from voice mailboxes to nuclear launch codes
21:21
@Simon do you write software?
Sometimes, I feel like you don't understand what I write.
I never mentioned anything about storing passwords in a cookie.
I also typed the reason why you shouldn't use cookies/hidden fields.
Storing in DB = DoS? Possible, yes.
@Simon one of my pet peeves WRT DB performance is the fact that forum software like vbulletin et.al. do a DB write on every f-ing page load. So someone asks me why their forum is slow? It's because vbulletin was written by morons.
@Gilles yes, and in specific situations it might be okay, if there are compensating controls.
@Simon granted that has absoultely nothing to do with what you just said..
but it reminded me of it
@tylerl Well, that is sure as hell a bad way to implement a forum.
21:27
@Gilles and still, those shouldnt be mixed up; that doesnt mean its not possible to do one without the other, but they should be seperated.
So yes, if someone would find out that you log in the DB a failed attempt every time, he could abuse it, you're right.
Well, see, that's the thing: People don't know it's a bad idea. But what is a good idea, they think, is being able to see who's currently viewing this or that page.
and they assume that the database is magically fast.
@Simon Anyway, a lot of security people don't do a lot of software development. So that's why I asked if you write software.
just curious
21:43
@tylerl Writing software is what I do way before anything related to security. I have been doing it for 3-4 years though, so I don't have as much experience as some people here.
@Simon When I started writing web software your only options were C and Perl. I learned Perl because I didn't want to write CGIs in C. There's a lot that my group needed to un-learn, which is the source of most of what's wrong with the industry today.
so don't feel too bad about not having that much experience.
Haha, nice.
@tylerl yeah, sometimes experience can be a bad thing.
Well, that is funny: gizmodo.com/…
Just try to imagine the sort of confusion of ideas that led the general public to think that PHP 3 was a great step in the right direction.
21:48
haha, and we're back to PHP bashing again.
never too far away....
My poor PHP.
@AviD This is a security channel, right?
I should move to Python.
Yeah. that's just tragic. The guy's told 3 times that he can't have the bug reward because the security bug didn't exist. So he uses it to show them that he's not full of sh*t. And then they say he can't have the reward because he violated their terms of service by demonstrating the exploit.

What a bunch of ...
What sounds pathetic to me is that $500 is nothing to Facebook, they're just butthurt that the dude wrote on Zuck's wall.
21:52
Which just goes to show: flaws in facebook should be properly sold on the black market, since their security team is too incompetent to pay out on their own reward program.
@tylerl well, it is facebook, so what did anyone expect?
I mean, after all, they put @jefff in charge of things over there.... ;-)
@AviD put dog turds in a paper bag and light it on fire on his doorstep. ("don't put it out with your boots, Ed")
heh.
Fuck, I hate waiting for someone's call when it's about the car I've been wanting for years.
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