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00:01
Morning folks
is it morning lol
Whats news this fine here day?
@D3C4FF Just finished some crazy regex
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A: Can the for loop be eliminated from this piece of PHP code?

HamZaAlgo solution There is a way to check if there is a missing number using an algorithm. It's explained here. Basically if we need to add numbers from 1 to 100. We don't need to calculate by summing them we just need to do the following: (100 * (100 + 1)) / 2. So how is this going to solve our iss...

00:10
@HamZa Dude. Srsly that's some srs answering right there...
I need moar rep for the 10K mod tools :p
00:38
@HamZa That deserves to be a rep train.
Okay, most hilarious attack ever...
1) go to website.site.com/site/
2) wait 5 minutes
3) Redirects to website.site.com/site/error.xxx Creds were not submitted within time limit (??? srsly???)
4) go back to website.site.com/site/
5) get error message the URL is invalid
6) gets redirected to website.site.com/fasdfasdf/sdfsadf/site/error.xxx
7) try go back to website.site.com
8) Congratulations you have authenticated successfully using AD FS!
??????????
What the fucking fuck??
??
 
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01:49
@D3C4FF Hahahaha!
sits back and relaxes Well. I've pwnt their site, and its taken me an embarassing one hour.
Since that drops me into SP portal, then i connect to their application, and lo-and-behold, SP is their password manager as welL!
02:14
@D3C4FF SP?
@Adnan I just created a new GMail account and I didn't have to specify a phone number or confirm anything. You suck.
02:35
@TerryChia *sharepoint
02:46
Aaaah share point so many nightmares
@D3C4FF Ahhh.
God awful product.
02:59
Well good night my loves
 
2 hours later…
04:40
I so want to comment "So you canceled my phones?" ;-)
05:02
@Hennes Do eet!
05:42
@Hennes Do it.
06:27
What the flying fuck? technical.io
@TerryChia Another interesting expression. Makes one wonder if there are indeed creatures which can have intercourse while airborne of their own power.
@Iszi Are you going to conduct a scientific study to find out?
@Iszi Its called the mile high club.
Have you never flown while fucking?
@D3C4FF He did say airborne of their own power.
@TerryChia Humans extract petrol from the ground to generate power...
Its own power now bitches!
Also, it'd be awesome to create a flying machine that's powered by the motion of two people having sex..
06:46
@HamZa Not sure your answer was any better than the original one. Using a regex or a tool like array_sum doesn't make your code any more faster. It just hides the complexity by running the loop in API code instead of in your visible code.
@HamZa But the question seemed to be a perfectly designed example case for using a binary search. Almost spooky how perfectly the solution fits the problem. Like a teacher designed it so that you'd come to that conclusion.
07:34
Anyone here member of the mile high club?
@LucasKauffman that can mean many, many things
I lived in colorado at 7200', so everything I did was well over a mile high.
That doesn't count
08:07
Forever waiting at immigration
08:41
@RoryAlsop also matasano.com/articles/crypto-challenges I'd love to do them but I reckon that it would take me a long time to get through it...
09:03
@tylerl hmmm I see. Reading your answer ...
@tylerl Nice answer +1
10:04
@TerryChia I doubt it will. But I got an idea. I'll maybe take the risk and set a bounty of 100rep. Saying: "searching for other possible solutions". It will attract people and hopefully upvote our answers. Now let's hope I gain more than 10upvotes lol
10:32
Wonder if we should sent that one over to stackoverflow, or if it's so bad that it should just die.
0
Q: please what is wrong with this code that i can not generate a 512bits RSA key on a mobile device

luqmanI have written this code to generate AES key and perform encryption. i adapted the same code to use use RSA instead but got errors. does it imply RSA keys can not be generated on mobile device? this first part is the code for using AES which works fine and the second part is the rsa one public ...

11:09
Opening that porn question with coworkers around was interesting
Especially with the "This is 100% sex site" line in red
@Simon I sent an email to the guy I'm try to contact using GMail, Yahoo, Hotmail, and an hold HushMail account. All of the received the same auto reply:
> If you don't take your security serious enough, you have no business talking to us
Well, fuck you, guy!
@Adnan dude get with the program the only real way to send e-mail is encrypted with GPG and then transmitted manually via telnet
@Adnan who are you trying to contact?
And is your email encrypted with PGP? (or PHP? :P)
11:26
0
Q: Are voluntary DDoS illegal?

PacerierSince DDoS is simply a group of computers coming together to send requests to a particular server, is it true to say that a voluntary DDoS is a perfectly valid and legal program in US? By that, I mean that the program is running openly on the user's computer and not trying to hide it's tracks us...

@Adnan which guy is that?
@CodesInChaos BASE64 of course, nothing more secure
@CodesInChaos I'm not sure how to call him, but he works as a relay. You give him an item name (no matter what the item is, he doesn't care) and he guarantees delivery to you.
I want to buy a specific alcoholic drink.
I cannot find it here, and if I ask somebody to send it (it's from outside EU) it will be stopped by customs. This guy acquires the items, and ships it from inside EU
@LucasKauffman ^
@Adnan ah nice
Thinking about it again (out loud and reading it) I think I don't want to get involved with these people.
Yeah, I don't really need that drink
A smuggler
11:36
@CodesInChaos Yes it's encrypted with PGP, I use mailvelope.com
(great addon, by the way)
@lucas - re your earlier question... You know how old I am and how frequent a flier I was. . . :-)
@RoryAlsop hahaha stewardess, girlfriend or random stranger?
or the misses
11:55
woo have a new house (slight problem is i now have two houses and only need one but hey hopefully that'll resolve itself :) )
@RoryMcCune I'll take care of the second house, I'll give you 5 crates of beer in exchange!
@LucasKauffman ooh 5 crates of belgian beer, might work for me, but I'm not sure Marion will be persuaded ;op
@RoryMcCune mmm wine? I have some very good italian wines available too
12:40
@Adnan Whaaat? Is he a client?
On a side note, 18 rep until 1k. Wow.
Those 2 answers were successful
I wish the guy would accept my answer though.
More than me? Blasphemy!
Who's the nice boy?
Bah, you just got hit by the rep train
Twice
Yeah. Now, I'm wondering who +2'd my questions for the final rep required for 1k, was it you?
Nope
12:50
Weird timing.
for(i=1;k=(it[i]=readline())?i++:k+~print(it[k*~-i/4%i]););
Isn't it beautiful?
So beautiful. I can translate it to: "I hate whoever's gonna work on this project after me".
3
I'm lost.
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Q: Is writing a document, not saving it, and printing it wirelessly 100% secure?

John DodsonSay I want to write a top secret document (yeh, I'm a secret agent), and I use the method in the title...more specifically 1) Write a document on TextEdit on a Macbook Pro 2) Do not save it 3) Print it through a wireless printer 4) Close the document without saving it What are the various wa...

13:03
@LucasKauffman That change password question you answered, wouldn't the reason to make the user type the password again to "educate" him and try to make him remember the password by making him type it again?
@Simon you won't remember anything because you type it twice, it's probably just to confirm he chose the right password
@LucasKauffman Well, the more you type it, the more you are likely to remember it, no?
@Simon yea true, but not from typing it just twice
also I don't know 95% of my passwords :p
Unless you're a superhero like me. I remember passwords very quickly.
13:06
Yep, not so hard to remember, eh?
C'mon SE, gimme my privileges. I wanna see the vote counts.
13:18
@Simon CONGRATS!!!
@Adnan WOOHOOO! THANK YOU!
@Adnan That's me in the office right now, basically.
Jesus metal!! hehehehe
They were giving this away at work:
I took it, sounds like something fun to play with.
13:35
@Adnan nice
@RoryMcCune Oh, ops. I meant @RoryA
But good, I didn't know you're into metal
@Adnan well I kind of thought that excluding him was unusual. I like most sorts of music TBH including some punk/metal etc
A new instalment of drinks with Adnan
I think this is now my favourite aged beer
Great Scottish oak-aged beer. Innis & Gunn
13:49
Is it me or he doesn't answer the question at all? security.stackexchange.com/questions/40723/…
@Simon Nope, it's not you
It's me
I flagged it as not answer.
we can't see each other anymore
@Adnan But but but...
I can change.
13:55
@Simon There are things that can't just change
Like... your face
@Adnan Wrong, if you supply a great amount of money.
> News: Twitter user tells British Gibraltar MEP she’s “too ugly to visit Spain”
@Simon Somebody knows how you feel
Poor woman.
She must be really ugly though.
Oh, I don't believe that anymore
14:17
Huh?
@copy I read your answer, but I didn't pay enough attention. I misunderstood it and based my judgement on the incorrect misunderstanding.
Later, I've read it again and decided otherwise
Alright. Unlike everybody else, I can't read deleted messages
@copy yeah, it's really annoying to be a low-rep noob
@copy No, that's just like everybody else who has less than 10,000 rep.
And I'm not quite 100% sure if my answer is right
14:23
@copy Only room owners and mods can.
And people who are annoyingly close to it. (Only 100 left to go for me)
@Iszi 10K rep can't read deleted messages
@Adnan It's much high than on SO?
@Adnan Oh, we're talking about chat?
@Iszi Cue to downvote ALL YOUR ANSWERS?
14:24
oh it's about chat?
@copy Only mods and room owners can read deleted messages in chat.
1 min ago, by copy
Alright. Unlike everybody else, I can't read deleted messages
10k and up can read deleted answers on the site.
1 min ago, by Adnan
@copy Only room owners and mods can.
@Terry See? I ninja you sometimes as well
I'm a little surprised that @copy is the only one that got to the point of "logging out all sessions" in the password reset question.
14:25
Adnan gets stuck in a recursive self quoting loop
@Iszi ِActually, that's the point that is wrong in his answer
@Adnan See, the message you were replying to was in reply to @copy replying to that message you just replied me with.
My head hurts.
@Iszi Old sessions being cleared have nothing to do with the ability to create a new session
@Iszi It was a reptrain. It has grown cold since, but someone decided to put a bounty on it. At that point (only) did I actually read it, and I found the existing answer a bit lacking to my taste, so I wrote mine.
Users clicks "Change password" -> Sessions invalidated -> New session started
The rest of @copy's answer, however, is sensible.
@Iszi On the subject
Mental -1 for the first line. Invalidating the previous sessions has nothing to do with the ability to create a new session for the user after resetting the password. After all, you trusted that he's the email owner and rest the password for him based on the token, so why not log him in based on the token? Your second point, however, is correct. It could be laziness. — Adnan 10 secs ago
14:31
@Adnan Fair enough.
Damn you, The Daily Show!!
@Adnan Got it
After the whole new Anthony Weiner stuff (Carlos Danger) I cannot get this song out of my head (especially the "Danger.. Danger.." part) youtube.com/…
I is back
14:50
Anyone have a particularly preferred LiveCD tool for resetting Linux passwords?
@Iszi Why not just single user mode?
@TerryChia I'm not as familiar with Linux as I should be. Explain? Current conditions are that nobody who is available seems to know any passwords for the system, including root.
@Iszi When booting the machine, press "Esc" to enter into the grub page. Find the line with all the kernel parameters and press "e". Add "s" at the end and boot it.
@Iszi When booting the OS, you can normally force a "single user" boot by putting the "single" keyword on the boot command (from the bootloader). Single user should give you a root shell (text mode) without requiring a password.
14:55
@ThomasPornin This seems like something which would normally be disabled (either by default, or by build process) for security purposes, no?
Congrats @RoryM! Slightly further to trek for beers but an excuse to:-)
Alternatively, adding init=/bin/sh as boot parameter can do the trick, but you will get only the root filesystem mounted, in read-only mode. Also, this can work suboptimally in the presence of an initrd.
@Iszi Why so ? If the attacker gets physical access to the machine, he has won anyway.
@Iszi BIOS password. You actually need physical access to do this so it's really a case of you are fucked anyway.
Damn, ninja-ed.
@RoryAlsop is pretty up that way too :) also had someone round today who might buy current place so good day on the property front all in...
@ThomasPornin Yeah, but you know how some orgs like their layers.
14:56
You can, though, put a password on the bootloader, and also on the BIOS, and pray that the attacker is not of the screwdriver-wielding persuasion.
Or you can use full disk encryption. That will require you to enter the password during the boot process.
@TerryChia Yeah, that one works well. Cryptography to the rescue !
@TerryChia How reliable is this across distros and versions?
@TerryChia In which case the WDE bootloader would come before the Linux bootloader, thereby preventing single-user mode without the WDE password - correct?
@Iszi It works with any Grub and any Linux
@Iszi Very reliable. It's mostly a grub and kernel thing.
15:00
@TerryChia I haven't got a lot of specifics for certain, but it sounds like it might be a 15-year old HP UX system.
@Iszi I can't remember the boot order. @ThomasPornin probably knows. But you have to enter the FDE password before the boot process is completed.
@Iszi Hmm.... I have absolutely zero experience with old Unix systems so I can't tell you anything there.
@Adnan Mmm yes, love me some metal.
15:19
What the hell?! This actually exists? I thought it was a joke
Unblack metal (or Christian black metal) is a genre of music that is stylistically black metal, but whose artists promote Christianity in their lyrics and imagery. Such artists are controversial, mainly because black metal's pioneers, especially those of the Second Wave, intended to encourage hostility towards Christianity. It is also suggested that Christianity contradicts black metal's dark nature and the individualistic and misanthropic ideals of many bands. The exact beginning of the unblack metal movement is disputed. The Australian band Horde's 1994 album Hellig Usvart brought the ...
@Adnan First I've heard it called that. I'm a bit familiar with Christian death metal, and was aware that Christian black metal existed.
@Iszi "Christian death metal", the name sounds like medieval torture device.
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Christian metal, also known as white metal, is a form of heavy metal music usually defined by its message using song lyrics as well as the dedication of the band members to Christianity. Christian metal is typically performed by professed Christians sometimes principally for Christians who listen to heavy metal music and often produced and distributed through various Christian networks. Christian metal bands exist in all the subgenres of heavy metal music, and the only common link among most Christian metal bands are the lyrics. The Christian themes are often melded with the subjects of t...
I suppose they're not quite "death metal" per se, but you get the idea.
@Iszi Well, I'm not able to understand more than 10% of the lyrics. So to me it sounds petty much like normal death metal "....death....pain.....fighter....die...."
I must say, it's not that bad.
On the topic of "Christian Metal", here's one of my favorites.
15:29
@Iszi Christian rap metal. They're really good
 
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17:22
This is mildly hilarious:
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Q: Web redirecting to porn site

William CalvinI have quite serious case here. One day, My company missed to extend a domain name by few days. So it went to grace period. From what I know, if it went to grace period, people still able to access my website. However, the site was actually showing a porn site with domain name header. My boss qu...

Especially the fact that the domain redirect said WARNING: This is a 100% sex site
So that you could be 100% certain that your own site was now 100% sex.
Like if he really needed to include a screenshot.
17:40
at least they didn't send it directly to some domain gabber
@Simon Oh, he definitely did - but it should have been one from after clicking through that page. ;-)
@Iszi You never know what's on the other side.
17:58
@tylerl I think the guy just wanted to watch some pron at work. "Oh no, our site got hacked and we are forced to redirect to pron now, please halp!" That's the excuse I'm going to use...
2
A: How to change the ' Network Manager' icon's image in Gnome-Desktop?

j_mcnallyUse ifconfig however it may remind you of ipconfig in windows.... Also the annoying thing is how much terminal looks like cmd. And how the windows in ubuntu look like the windows in windows...... I can suggest using a book or pen and paper if things remind you of windows however do not put that...

@Simon Dead!
So here's what's enraging me at this moment.
Yahoo don't have SSL enabled by default
Well, that's not it
THEY DON'T HAVE A FUCKING VALID SSL CERTIFICATE!!!
FUCKING YAHOO!!!
@Adnan lol
YAHOO!
18:13
0
Q: Testing for HTML & CSS injection

KallolI am a tester and need to test a textarea which uses CK Editor for HTML & CSS injection or any other malicious input. This editor is used to post text & the site owner doesn't want any malicious things to get posted. I am new to security testing so I need your help guys. Thanks in advance

SIGH
Who uses yahoo anyways ?
@HamZa No no.. you see.. they're YAHOO!!
They suck, yes.
Judging by the questions posted, it's definitely Friday.
But they're not small!
Here's what's even more disgraceful. They KNOW IT
When you turn on SSL, they tell you're gonna get a warning!
Yahoo sucks.
I thought everybody knew that.
18:14
@Adnan Have a link ?
@Simon flagged
@HamZa What did you flag it for? I'm not sure which one would be the most appropriate.
-1
A: How does changing your password every 90 days increase security?

donThe users at the company I support are too dumb to reset their own password every 90 days. So, we were told to just give them a password that we make up. Is that technically legal?

WHAT'S GOING ON?
@Adnan I tried to warn you.
@ThomasPornin Just go to your (or somebody's) Yahoo Mail page, click gear icon, choose 'Mail options'. Just before the end of the page there's a checkbox "Make your Yahoo! Mail more secure with SS". Once you check it, you get the message (about the warnings) and after that you click 'Save', it switches to SSL, and you get the SSL warning.
Been awhile since we've had this one, I think.
0
Q: why linux is more secure than windows ? is it really secure?

SahilWhy Linux is more secure than windows ? Is it really more secure? I know Linux is more secure but i want to know what is going at kernel level.Somebody told me that Linux have only one main kernel and has it root password on it.Is it true.I Google it and I found many confusing answers : 1. Linux ...

18:23
@DavidFreitag Dude, it's not like I didn't what I was getting into. I only wanted to get Yahoo account because I wanted to send and receive an email from a non-personal email address. Yahoo was the only one that didn't require verification.
> Questions asking us to break the security of a specific system for you are off-topic unless they demonstrate an understanding of the concepts involved and clearly identify a specific problem.
@Iszi Gotta love the "wall of text" questions.
@HamZa Yep, that's the best one, thanks.
@Simon you're welcome
So @Simon you're getting moar rep at my back ....
@HamZa How so?
18:29
@Simon You've passed me in terms of reps on sec.se :p
@HamZa Oh!
copy told me the same thing this morning, hehe.
@HamZa Actually, it's more of "not an answer".
@Iszi Nono, the "Testing for HTML & CSS injection" question.
hehe, nice nice
I can't really answer security stuff except for web-based stuff ...
@HamZa Pretty much the same for me.
18:31
@Iszi It's friday, I know ... :D
lolcode is... just great.
@LucasKauffman 3 of those 4 :-)
@Adnan help please. This is driving me crazy
On windows, I could scroll by clicking on the middle wheel. Now everytime I do that it goes to google with some copy paste of my previous thing ... .. ><
Someone remind me why an edit I, as a 3k+ user, approve requires concurrence from another user in order to be applied? I have the power to independently perform the edit myself, why can't my approval alone be enough?
18:39
@HamZa There is an option in Firefox for that
@copy Ah finally fixed it. I was on Opera. Thx though
I also fixed it on Firefox
Middle mouse pastes in Linux, also in other places like terminal
@copy I nuked windows. Now I'm about ~1 week on linux
Good luck
@copy haha thx
18:41
@HamZa What distro?
@DavidFreitag ubuntu
@HamZa I figured, which version? Anything after 10.04 sucks major.
@DavidFreitag hahahaha
@DavidFreitag 13.04
That and 12+ has been proven to send usage statistics including searches back to canonical, who sells the information to amazon etc.
18:43
I removed that Unity crap
@Iszi That's a quirk, without any good reason, to my knowledge. If you don't "approve" the edit but instead "improve" it, then it goes straight away, but this time you will be the recorded edit author.
@DavidFreitag sigh What now ? I installed many things ... That will take me another weekend ...
@HamZa That may only be a feature of Unity, so if you removed Unity you may be fine.
@HamZa A relatively simple way to do that is to install Lubuntu instead of Ubuntu. Same packages, same distribution, by by default the LXDE desktop packages are installed instead of Unity
@ThomasPornin Or linux mint, love mah mint.
18:46
@ThomasPornin Isn't that @ScottPack's line?
@Iszi Where's my Scott Pack? :(
Also, the article on the Ubuntu "spyware" is here: fsf.org/blogs/rms/ubuntu-spyware-what-to-do.
@Iszi I am filling in when he is not there.
@DavidFreitag Oh, I like the Ubuntu packages and their release cycle. I just don't like Unity.
@ThomasPornin I'm with you on that. But Mint is ubuntu, it's like Lubuntu, accept more stripped down. It's essentially barebones.
I forgot how to post tags in here.
18:48
I think it even runs LXDE by default
@ThomasPornin I installed cinnamon //cc @DavidFreitag
@Simon [tag:the-tag-contents]
@ThomasPornin
<-- see the difference @Simon
One's for meta!
18:51
@DavidFreitag So what do you suggest ? Someone told me that Fedora is awesome
@HamZa And someone told me that Elvis is alive
I though about installing Kali, but I doubt it's for "normal" usage
@HamZa Fedora was awesomely unstable for me.
@ThomasPornin I get what you mean
@Simon What do you use /?
@HamZa Ubuntu
18:52
@HamZa I hate fedora, it's just bad. But some people like it. Then again, some people like slackware. Ubuntu without Unity should be fine. The only reason to rock Lubuntu or even mint would be if you had some hardware that was extremely old, or severely underpowered.
@Simon You're on the same boat as me lol
@DavidFreitag For that matter, I use Lubuntu on quite recent hardware.
In fact it is not that lightweight.
@DavidFreitag Well I like performance and don't mind if it's not fancy ...
@ThomasPornin Yes, the other reason for Lubuntu is so that you don't have to remove Unity. =]
For me, Lubuntu is "Ubuntu without Unity"
18:53
@HamZa I don't need anything fancier than Ubuntu to be honest.
And other things, obviously...
@ThomasPornin I'm not sure how much lighter is on the back end, but Lubuntu always feels a lot lighter to me. Must just be LXDE.
Is it "sane" to install lubuntu over ubuntu ?
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/UpgradeToLubuntu
@HamZa It works
@HamZa You wouldn't really install lubunti over ubuntu, just install the LXDE desktop environment.
You will use more disk space with all the Unity-related packages still present on your disk, though.
18:55
ok, 1gb? 2gb? who cares ...
Next time, I will properly install lubuntu directly ...
I mean, you could do that, but if you're going to go Lubuntu you might as well format and reinstall.
@ThomasPornin Can't you remove Unity using aptitude once LXDE is installed?
@DavidFreitag If I format I would need to install all my software ... (not that there is so many ...)
@HamZa But the benefit of that is that your ubuntu isn't held together with nearly as much duct tape and tears.
@DavidFreitag sigh I know, in fact there is already that much ductape since I installed cinnamon (another desktop UI). ..
@ThomasPornin Are you a sadist ?
@HamZa It's up to you, i personally don't think installing Lubuntu takes that long. If your hard drive is big enough, just install Lubuntu alongside ubuntu and give it a test drive.
18:58
lol The other day you didn't tell me about Lubuntu :P
@DavidFreitag I will try this one https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/UpgradeToLubuntu#Removing_other_x.2BAC8-k.2BAC8-ubuntu_components_after_upgrading_to_Lubuntu
If it doesn't work/ too slow I'll format and install lubuntu from scratch.
Thanks guys !
@HamZa That will work, and it's probably the best option, for you.
I love it when our company outsources software. I get to go through their work and destroy it with my red pen, then send them an email about how their software sucks. When i submit a solution to problems they are having, they tell me my calculations are wrong, despite the fact that i was the one who specified what calculations they should be using in the first place.
19:19
Yaaaay Lubuntuuuuu
@DavidFreitag For underpowered old systems, I just go straight to NetBSD.
@ThomasPornin I've never used BSD, and i didn't really mean ancient systems. If i find something old enough i would probably just do a custom Arch build to fit the specs.
@DavidFreitag I'd say that doing some sysadmin time BSD-style is enlightening.
It helps put things in perspective.
@HamZa lubuntu and ubuntu are the same distribution, just a different set of packages installed by default
@ThomasPornin Yeah? Got any guides in mind for an entry into the BSD world?
19:24
@ThomasPornin “at least it's not windows”
@Gilles Yeah, i got my first taste of sysadmin with a few Windows 8 x64 machines this week. Needless to say I wanted to kill everything.
yeah thx
Now when I boot my PC, on the login screen I can choose between ubuntu, lubuntu, cinnamon ...
@ThomasPornin Thank you sir, i will look this over and do some BSD experiments once the semester starts and i have access to the school's test servers.
19:27
@ThomasPornin Which BSDs provide binary security updates nowadays?
@Gilles Apparently FreeBSD does.
Although the difference between a binary update and a source update which is amenable to automatic compilation and installation can be fuzzy.
the difference is having to set up a compilation environment
say I want to install openbsd on my mips router
@Gilles It is a standard issue in BSD systems. You get it with the base OS -- and it is quite small by today's standards.
a small system doesn't have enough RAM and CPU to recompile its OS
so I need another installation on a beefier machine to cross-compile
@Gilles Routers with only a few dozen megabytes of Flash space are not really amenable to a full OS install, be it BSD or Linux. Even a barebone Debian won't fit anyway.
19:35
@ThomasPornin What are your feelings about Arch?
@Gilles At that point I must recall that I once installed and used Minix, the 16-bit version, and it could fit in 20 MB of disk space and 1 MB of RAM -- and within that space, it could recompile itself.
@DavidFreitag Not tried it. Cannot really comment.
@ThomasPornin Fair enough.

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