The DMZ

Simon

00:45

XSS homework? Why don't I have homework like this?

copy

Because you don't study IT-Security

Scott Pack

Because you don't hate yourself enough to study programming.

Simon

01:07

@ScottPack But I do hate myself enough to do that.

@copy le fu-

Scott Pack

Whip me spank me make me code.

Simon

@ScottPack Great song, what's the title?

Scott Pack

It's a nerdcore rendition of an Xzibit song.

Simon

01:19

I bet you'd get millions of views on YT if you'd put up a video of you rapping that song.

Scott Pack

That sounds suspiciously like effort.

Instead, I can sit here trolling ServerFault for a few more reps and drinking wine.

Simon

How do you make money that way?

And you're "trolling" ServerFault?

Scott Pack

I'm about to hit 10k so I'm trying to find a question or two that I can throw a quick answer down on.

Simon

That's not trolling!

Time to test how good TF2 will run on Ubuntu. Somehow, I bet there will be a driver issue.

It's not like if they warned me that the driver was in beta and that I absolutely needed it to play.

Scott Pack

Frack. Apparently I'm getting too sober to type well. I meant trawling.

Simon

01:27

More wine, more!

Scott Pack

It's Ubuntu. There's always a driver issue.

Simon

Oh c'mon. I went for Ubuntu because I'm expecting to have less issues than on Fedora.

Scott Pack

Pussy.

Simon

Fedora has bitch slapped me twice, I think it's fair to pussy out.

Plus I wanna try Steam on Linux.

Having both in the same sentence is like a wet dream.

Scott Pack

Yeah, that would be a good reason.

Kind of sticky and slightly embarrassing?

Simon

01:31

What about a wet dream when you're 12?

Scott Pack

I don't remember being 12.

Simon

LOL

There's something wrong with me, I went for a bottle of water instead of a beer.

Can you fix me?

Scott Pack

That's easy. Go back and get the beer.

Simon

But it's like 4 steps away!

Alright, TF2 is laggy as shit, can't be annoyed to debug that tonight.

So, time for some PHP.

Man, that's how crazy I am.

Scott Pack

Man. You know how to party.

Simon

01:40

Anyway, how do they port to Linux? I'm assuming most games are coded in C++, can that even run on Linux?

Of course I know how to party, PHP coding and wait for it... I'll throw a beer in!

Scott Pack

Says the man who's drinking alone, chatting on the internets, and watching Andromeda.

Simon

Hahaha.

It's too much trouble to get people to drink with you.

Scott Pack

Sure. C++ runs on linux no problem. cd ~/gamesource && make

I had a bunch of beer with people last night.

Simon

wot

During the week?

It must have been hard to set up the "meeting"

Wait, no, you were playing D&D, that's why.

Scott Pack

Historically Wednesday was my gaming night. Nothing like rolling dice and drinking beer for a fun evening.

Simon

01:43

This is definitely the wildest party in Montreal: PHP, beer and pants are off.

I might smoke a cigar but I'd have to go outside, that's far too much trouble.

I'm so wild @ScottPack, you don't even understand.

Scott Pack

I need to find a tobacconist and get myself some good leaf. I haven't smoked my pipe in years.

Simon

It's crazy how I can tell your whole personality just by your hat. Of course you would smoke in a pipe.

Honestly, I dig the hat but it doesn't look good on everyone. It wouldn't on me.

Scott Pack

It is English, after all.

Simon

Is it?

If I had to put on a nationality, it would have been French. You know, it could be a family member of the Beret.

Scott Pack

02:07

Flat cap

A flat cap, or, in Scotland, bunnet is a rounded men's or women's cap with a small stiff brim in front. Cloths used to make the cap include wool, tweed (most common), and cotton. Less common materials may include leather or linen. Cord flat caps are also worn in various colours. The inside of the cap is usually lined with silk for comfort and warmth. History The style can be traced back to the 14th century in Northern England and parts of Southern Italy , when it was more likely to be called a "bonnet", which term was replaced by "cap" before about 1700, except in Scotland, where it c...

Simon

Scotland? They have kilts and the cap? Awesome.

Scott Pack

And Rories

Simon

Oh by the way @ScottPack, fun fact about my last name. If you aren't too lazy, google translate it without the first letter from French to English. You might realize that my appearance was meant to happen.

Scott Pack

I'm guessing the 'D' would indicate ancestral origination?

Simon

02:28

In a sentence the D would be followed by an apostrophe, which would mean "From Scotland".

I have no idea if my ancestors were living there or what.

Lucas Kauffman

06:39

Good morning chaps

Rory Alsop

07:07

Morning all

Colin Cassidy

07:42

morning all

Rory Alsop

Hi Colin - long time no speak. How's things?

Colin Cassidy

not too bad, been trapped in the murky world of spreadsheets and gantt charts. Managed to write some code yesterday :)

hows things with you?

Rory Alsop

08:26

Ooh - take a photo of Saturn tonight, as Cassini (orbiting Saturn) will be taking a picture of the earth. apod.nasa.gov/apod/astropix.html

lynks

09:05

@RoryAlsop thats very cool :)

lynks

09:24

can I store my pgp keys in keepass I wonder...

Lucas Kauffman

@lynks I know I have

Adnan

09:39

@lynks No, not directly.

You can, however, add a file containing the key as an attachment to some entry.

lynks

@Adnan I had no idea there was an attachment option.

Adnan

lynks

@Adnan yep just found it, thats cool.

Adnan

@lynks That was almost simultaneous.

@lynks Though, to be honest, I never used it to store PGP keys. I mostly use it to store bank statements and scans (id, passport, etc.)

It's strange to me that I find it more convenient that TrueCrypt (for this kind of things)

lynks

@Adnan yeah, I have always used an encrypted loopback filesystem in the past. Nice to know KeePass works as a file bucket also.

Adnan

10:05

Gimme some luv!

0

Q: How can I change the default chain length in Tor?

By default, Tor uses a two-hop chain: Entry node, a node somewhere inside the Tor network, and an exit node. The default number is, of course, chosen as compromise between performance and decent anonymity. Although, to be honest, I'd say that the number is a bit skewed towards performance. Setup...

Also if anybody knows the answer, that'd be great.

lynks

@Adnan I have found some people who opt for editing the source (c) which I assume you have found. Also why? 3 nodes is the perfect number.

Lucas Kauffman

@Adnan It won't make you any secure, for correlation attacks you only need to first and last hop, hops in between are irrelevant

and IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII WILL ALWAYS LOVE YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

4

sorry had to let that out, that song has been in my head for 3 days now.

Adnan

10:52

@lynks @Lucas I have to disagree with both of you. With a compromised exit node, it's possible to know the middle node and then through legal process it's possible to acquire logs which will lead to the entry node. Repeat for entry node and you got your guy.

Increasing the path length means there will be a higher chance that one of the nodes will be outside the jurisdiction of the adversary.

We all know how easy most ISPs give in to legal requests. Some ISPs do fight for the privacy of their clients, but most of them give the logs right away.

@LucasKauffman As for correlation attacks and a more specialized version of them "tagging", it's a totally different matter. But you're right, the hops in between are irrelevant in this case.

Stack Exchange

11:16

You can also just ignore any science assertion where 'quantum mechanics' is the most complicated phrase in it.

lynks

11:37

I am truly, deeply, sick of this weather now.

Lucas Kauffman

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Q: 2 routers, a desktop and an Android

Router 1 is setup with WPA and a 32 bit passphrase PSK & connected to a Linux desktop by Ethernet. Router 2 has an 8 bit PSK and is connected to router 1 by Ethernet cable. Router 2 is used only by Android phones which connect to router 2 by wifi. If attackers take control of router 2 via th...

wifi

walk into a bar

@lynks Spill the beans

lynks

@LucasKauffman this UK heatwave. Hot weather and I do not get on well.

Adnan

@LucasKauffman Much more innocent mind than mine.

I thought of 2 girls 1 cup.

2

Lucas Kauffman

@lynks what you need is an icy smoothie

lynks

@LucasKauffman see, out problem is we are a cold-weather country. Strong insulation, fires and heating systems in all buildings. No water-fountains or outdoor seating. Buildings not designed to allow air-flow etc etc. So even modest temperatures (right now 25C @ 70%) are painful here :P

Lucas Kauffman

11:45

@lynks mobile airco unit :p?

lynks

@LucasKauffman aircon barely exists here :P, and is expensive

Lucas Kauffman

@lynks I'll set up an aid-for-brittain fund :P

lynks

@LucasKauffman please do. If you could also send some of those new razer laptops, that would be great.

Lucas Kauffman

@lynks I'll throw in a laptop if I can have Wales

lynks

@LucasKauffman wales is free. has been for years, no takers yet though.

Lucas Kauffman

11:51

@lynks In that case I demand that the Kate's first born is named after me

@lynks and I'll also take her sister ._.

lynks

@LucasKauffman hehe, wouldn't we all.

Lucas Kauffman

@lynks I guess we would

lynks

In the interests of remaining ambiguously gendered on the internet, I will now claim to be a lesbian.

Lucas Kauffman

@lynks don't think you need to be lesbian to 'like' pippa middleton

Adnan

12:29

Holy sh..

This dude is 55?!!

asle, Norway

11 1

ddos

Damn the Norwegians! I guess bathing in oil is good for your skin.

Simon

1

Q: How to figure out if someone has been using TeamViewer 8 to access my computer when I was not here?

I came to my computer today and have not been here since monday afternoon. I am using windows 7. There were some error messages showing even on the log in screen about memory violations done by spotify and one more (I can't remember), and I just clicked them away, even though it is not normal on ...

windows remote-desktop

Who the fuck upvoted the last answer?

Good, someone downvoted it.

lynks

<<

Simon

Props!

I decided to sacrifice one of rep to downvote too.

Scott Pack

13:02

@Adnan If you make the picture bigger it's easier to see

gravatar.com/avatar/cbed5319b7359b8782ffc524121911cc?s=512

Rory McCune

@RoryAlsop yeah that one was choo choo central!

@RoryAlsop no worries on that front BTW the front button is a bit flaky on that one but does work sometimes, I tended to use the close touchscreen gesture which works just as well

AviD

13:28

@Simon rep returned

Simon

Wohoo @@@

Rory McCune

@lynks it's got so bad I've started looking at units. looks like £300-500 gets something, how good it would be is another matter...

Simon

I remember my first homework: security.stackexchange.com/questions/39217/…

lynks

What would you chaps recommend for a line-of-sight network hop of around 600m?

AviD

pogo sticks.

lynks

13:39

inb4 IPoAC

Simon

@AviD I'd use popsicle sticks.

AviD

@Simon that makes no sense.

Gilles

@lynks carrier pigeons. Mediocre latency but great bandwidth

Simon

@AviD It absolutely does. They are way stronger than your silly pogo sticks.

lynks

1 min ago, by lynks

inb4 IPoAC

AviD

13:40

@Gilles oh excellent choice. do you remember the RFC #?

Gilles

@lynks AC?

oh, avian carrier

AviD

also that way if any of the packets fail, you've got a nice lunch.

Gilles

@AviD google does: tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1149

AviD

@Simon that makes no sense.

and popsicle sticks dont hop.

@Gilles L.A.Z.Y.

Simon

Popsicle hater.

lynks

13:41

@AviD you could make them

for example, by attaching them to a pogo stick.

ethernet over laz0rs sounds fun, but rather difficult...

Adnan

@Simon Do you like Popsicles?

Oh, and @lynks. IP over Burrito Carriers.

Thomas Pornin

@lynks Laser-based networks are cool.

Never tried it, though.

AviD

@ThomasPornin the big problem with laser-nets is getting the sharks to line up properly.

lynks

@ThomasPornin I imagine your run-of-the-mill laser "pen" isn't going to be able to 'heat-up' and 'cool down' fast enough to modulate a signal.

Scott Pack

I use a laser now. Lasers are cool.

2

Thomas Pornin

13:55

@AviD However, think about it: you get a fast network, and you get the chance of killing pigeons with your data !

However, the boring but practical answer is probably about WiMAX.

AviD

@ThomasPornin shark-borne laser network: self protecting network.

no need for a firewall.

Adnan

@ThomasPornin I was wondering why I've been having big delays in my IPoAC network.

Simon

@Adnan I like everything that tastes good in my mouth.

AviD

@Simon that's just begging for a TWSS.

Adnan

@Simon I have a Popsicle for you, although it's probably of an unusual taste.

Simon

13:58

@Adnan I'm always up for new experience.

Adnan

But I'm sure it's not something you haven't already tried before

@lynks Joking aside, extremetech.com/extreme/…

lynks

@Adnan interesting, thanks I would never have thought you could switch the state so fast

Simon

@Adnan Joking aside, ily.

Adnan

@Simon What does it mean?

Simon

@Adnan Double rainbow.

Adnan

14:10

@Simon According to Google it means "I'm leaving you"

Simon

@Adnan Hell no. It means I love you!

Adnan

@Simon If you buy me a Jet Ski I'd love you back.

Or wait wait, that's very immoral.

Asking for a Jet Ski in exchange for love is wrong.

Buy me a car. A Ferrari

Simon

@Adnan Yes, you should ask for something more expensive. That would make it right.

Adnan

@Simon Well, you were just offered some beer in Thailand.

You know what happens after beer in Thailand.

Simon

I have no idea but I'm assuming something bad?

Adnan

14:20

Aaaaand a gold one for @RoryM

AviD

dammit, guys, @AviD doesnt do CTFs!!

@Gilles ^

Adnan

@AviD Hodor!

AviD

exactly

►

Gilles

@AviD and you were on the ping list? Blame @ManishEarth

@AviD there, I removed you from the ping list

AviD

@Gilles yay! thanks

theres a ping list?

whats a ping list?

Gilles

14:26

@AviD starred message in the CTF chatroom with the list of people to ping

AviD

@Gilles ahhhh

Gilles

in Security.SE CTF Team, Apr 24 at 7:28, by ManishEarth

Ping all team members (mod only). Use to notify everyone about a coming event: @@51908, @@6738, @@63964, @@74179, @@61723, @@9269, @@31768, @@1344, @@2794, @@62299, @@45112, @@48517, @@58016, @@42156, @@61622, @@12409, @@1516, @@66815, @@15, @@240, @@27025, @@9882, @@20882, @@41829,

AviD

@Simon @Adnan the way things are going, I think you might need this:

Simon

@AviD I hope that's not a real thing.

AviD

@Simon seems to be, just with an unfortunate mistranslation.

my best guess would be something like furniture polish.

hmm, "bordello strength"??? WTF?

Xander

14:35

@AviD Did they mistranslate before coming up with the logo then, I guess?

AviD

perhaps the mistranslation was on purpose?

Xander

'Cause that ain't furniture bein' polished.

AviD

I know thats not really what it is, because you cant get that in a spray can.

Of course not, to restore your virginity you need to apply a cream.

@Xander hmm, maybe its crotch fragrance?

Xander

@AviD Something like that. I have no idea.

AJ Henderson

14:47

is it just me, or are the really paranoid types always interesting

AviD

whoa. accidentally read that json question, and both @Xander's and @ThomasPornin answers are clueless (about this).

too busy with gov't filings right now, but maybe I'll have time to answer it later, I'm leaving it open.

or maybe one of you can read up on json hijacking.

Xander

@AviD I think you've misread the question. It's not about user's hijacking other users' data, it's about trying to prevent his site from being scraped.

AviD

@Xander okay, its possible I misread, if so I will issue a formal apology.

to @ThomasPornin. You, you're still clueless. ;-)

Xander

@AviD LOL...No need for that. :-)

AviD

though my iota of brain cells dedicated to this q so far, doesnt see the difference in your statement.

Xander

15:02

The data is ostensible the same for all users. The crux of the question is this:

"...I had to manually enter first hand data, which is a really tiresome job. I am concerned if I return such data in json, it would be too easy to parse and incorporate into other's database..."

All he wants to know is if he can prevent people from stealing his site's data by rendering it as an HTML table rather than JSON.

So JSON hijacking doesn't really apply, since there's no mention of authentication in the first place, there's no need to hijack. You can just make unauthenticated requests to either the page or the endpoint all day long.

If he decides that the data is valuable and restricts it to authenticated users only as per one of my suggestions, then he would need to think about JSON hijacking as a possible threat, but it's not relevant to his current question.

AJ Henderson

My brain hurts at the level of paranoia that Edwardo has, either that or my brain hurts at the low quality porn sites he must be subjecting his computer to to make it neccessary

Terry Chia

@AviD You are an apps guy right? Any recommendations for free scanners that I can throw at my app to check if I missed some low hanging fruits? Or is that the sort of product where it's total crap unless you spend stupid amounts of money?

AviD

@Xander ohhh. perhaps you're right - as I said, my head isnt really there, and didnt really read it.

Consider this the formal apology, to you and Mr. @Thomas.

Terry Chia

I see the comments now state "Request clarifications or suggest improvements". What about the snark?????

AviD

@TerryChia well, its usuall still total crap even if you do throw money at it.

but try netsparker community edition, for a start.

the free version does only scan for a few things - I think XSS and SQLi - but as I said, its a start.

and ftr, I usually dont do the pentests...

Terry Chia

15:14

@AviD Cool, will do. I won't put much effort into it but I'd like to avoid the stupid "wtf was I thinking?" type of mistakes as much as possible.

AviD

you could also try fiddler + watcher (fiddler plugin, passive scanner) and walk through the site. also works pretty cool.

Rory McCune

15:31

@Adnan that's just random.

not that I'm complaining. Kept me ahead of the onslaught of @Adnan @TerryChia and @LucasKauffman for a while longer...

Terry Chia

@RoryMcCune Hey, I basically stopped answering already. :P

Rory McCune

@TerryChia yeah I did notice the slow down... BTW you could try arachni

free scanner and works readonably well (for a scanner)

Terry Chia

@RoryMcCune Cool thanks. I forgot about that one.

Today, I encountered a rather stupid thing. An authentication library that doesn't offer Bcrypt.

Sure, they offer hashes with configurable iteration counts but gimme Bcrypt dammit!

AviD

@TerryChia that's not stupid, that's standard. Which is not to say its not also stupid.

Terry Chia

@AviD hehe, thankfully it's easy to enough to extend it to get Bcrypt support.

Thomas Pornin

15:56

Apology accepted, captain AviD...

Terry Chia

16:23

Reading old questions. Chanced across some lovely Bear snark.

> Cascading is like looking at a steel door on a wood cabin, and claiming that it should have an extra, heavy padlock in addition.

Simon

I asked my boss for a day off. However, he said that I couldn't because I have to clean his car on that day. Luckily, we agreed that I could do it the day before.

Terry Chia

@Simon @ScottPack's car needs cleaning as well.

Simon

16:41

nou

Lucas Kauffman

17:35

@RoryMcCune I'm coming for your @Rory. You can run but you can't hide.

Guys there was a canonical question and answer on SF which is really good for how to handle compromised servers. I created a Q and A as a canonical question

Simon

I just saw that. You're trying to steal all the rep!

Lucas Kauffman

not really if it gets added to the community wiki I do not earn any rep for it

Xander

@LucasKauffman You can make it a community wiki, can't you?

Lucas Kauffman

@Xander yes I can, but I'm too much of a repwhore

:(

Xander

@LucasKauffman LOL

Simon

17:43

LOL

I knew it!

Scott Pack

@TerryChia It's true. It could go for a detailing.

The wife's car could use some work too. She was the victim of a parking lot hit&run by a 15 passenger van transporting developmentally disabled adults.

Simon

@ScottPack I hate body work, unless it's on a woman.

Scott Pack

@Simon That's what the shop is for. Luckily the damage is pretty localized. The rear bumper needs replacing, it didn't actually break but is pretty well deformed, scratched up, and janky. The rear fender may be able to be pounded out. No cuts into the metal, no bad creases.

Simon

Oh, changing a bumper, I can do that.

Scott Pack

Yeah, that's pretty easy, just a few bolts. Body work I won't do.

Well, repairative body work.

Lucas Kauffman

17:56

@ScottPack So what about your car, how much work does that need?

Scott Pack

I've done replacements.

@LucasKauffman Body wise it's fine. A couple of small scratches, none of which pierce the clearcoat. It's just dirty.

Iszi

18:13

9 hours after being asked, this question and all answers have net-zero votes? That's a bit odd, isn't it?

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Q: 2 routers, a desktop and an Android

Router 1 is setup with WPA and a 32-character PSK. A Linux desktop is connected to it via Ethernet. Router 2 has an 8-character PSK and is connected to Router 1 by Ethernet cable. Router 2 is used only by Android phones which connect to it by WiFi. If an attacker compromises the weaker PSK o...

wifi

Simon

I think that only nerds would think that's odd.

Iszi

@Simon You trying to start a new meme or something with this? 'Cause I think a few people in here might be offended by you only singling me out as a nerd.

Simon

You're so nerdish that I don't understand what you're saying.

I wonder who would get offended.

Thomas Pornin

@Iszi It is a slow day. Because it is mid-July.

Rory McCune

@LucasKauffman yeah it's an interesting calc to see whether I can stay ahead of the pack long enough to make it up into the 20k bunch or whether I'll end up losing my top 10 spot!

Xander

18:30

@Adnan I think somebody's flagging them. I'm voting to leave them all open.

Iszi

@Xander Which?

Xander

@Iszi A bunch of old questions (including a Question of the Week) are coming through the close queue as off-topic.

Simon

Some idiot decided to fuck around or what?

Xander

@Simon Ehh, well several of the questions aren't great. It's more likely that someone is trying to be helpful, but just doesn't yet have a good gauge of what's on-topic and what isn't.

Iszi

@Xander Old questions coming up in the close queue aren't necessarily bad. If it's stale stuff that hasn't seen a lot of activity because it's off-topic or not fit for SE, then it should be getting flagged for closing. Strictly speaking, the "how to hijack a satellite" question was always debatably off-topic or unfit for SE.

@Xander It looks like at least some of the questions have comments (some from the mod team, no less) indicating they really aren't that great. And I'm not sure the questions have seen much improvement since those comments either. So, a lot of it is probably overdue cleanup if we really think about it.

Thomas Pornin

18:36

@Simon It might be a two-person scheme in order to get a lot of review items (reviewer and steward badges).

Xander

@Iszi Yeah, no, I definitely agree that cleaning up is valid. However, I'm voting to leave open questions that I think are on topic. Personally, I've always like the hijacking a satellite question. :-)

Simon

@ThomasPornin I like this option so much more than the one suggested by @Xander

:P

Xander

@Iszi Yup, but "not great" does not equal off-topic.

Thomas Pornin

@Simon We are in IT security, dammit ! We should always imagine an active attack, instead of the probable but boring hypothesis of benign incompetence (which is what @Xander suggests).

Simon

Haha.

Xander

18:42

@ThomasPornin My problem is that I switched out most of my coffee intake for tea a few years ago. I don't have enough caffeine in my body to have an appropriately edgy IT security personality any longer.

Simon

Here we go, that's the reason why I don't wanna start drinking coffee.

Xander

@Simon Coffee is one of the delicious nectars of the gods. You should learn to love, and appreciate it appropriately.

Simon

We're talking about coffee, not beer.

Xander

@Simon That's why I said one of the nectars. Along with tea, beer, wine, and fine spirits.

Simon

I'm not old enough to enjoy wine, yet.

Xander

18:46

@Simon As in you can't legally purchase it yet, or as in you simply don't appreciate it yet?

Simon

@Xander I can't appreciate it.

Xander

@Simon Ah. Understood. My suggestion, should you be interested at any point, would be to start with a light red, like a Gamay or a Pinot Noir which will help you start to appreciate the characteristics and flavors without overpowering you.

Simon

@Xander I thought it was better to start with white.

Lucas Kauffman

@Simon you racist bastard.

Simon

@LucasKauffman Scum Simon.

Xander

18:53

@Simon It certainly can be easier...I just don't approve. :-) If you want to start with white, a nice German Riesling may be in order. They're generally sweet, but the better ones incorporate a delicious complexity.

Simon

I don't feel the need to start yet, though. I assume it will come one day.

Xander

@Simon Yep, no rush.

Simon

Just like beer, it just happened.

Xander

@Simon And you have several of the finest breweries in the world in Quebec, so there's no reason to rush to leave beer behind.

Simon

Really? I guess I'll have to look into them.

Xander

19:01

@Simon Yup. Unibroue and McAuslan produce some of the best beer on earth.

Simon

We're just Awesome.

Scott Pack

What's up with the fuckers that accept but don't upboat.

@Iszi I don't think we would, no.

Thomas Pornin

@ScottPack This can happen with they don't have enough rep to upvote.

But it can also happen when they just don't know how to use their brain cells.

Xander

@ScottPack You need 15 rep to upboat.

Scott Pack

@ThomasPornin It can, but not when they're over 100 reps.

Xander

19:08

@ScottPack Well, that when the brain cells branch of the decision tree factors in.

Scott Pack

Douchewaffles.

Xander

@ScottPack You can get badges for that, I think.

Scott Pack

Get badges for what? Douchewaffling?

Rory Alsop

@ScottPack those don't sound like they would taste nice

Xander

@ScottPack Yup, gold and silver badges for zero score accepted answers.

Scott Pack

19:10

@RoryAlsop kind of vinegary, yeah. Germans probably love em.

Thomas Pornin

@ScottPack Being douchewaffled, rather. Though the badge says "unsung hero" which looks better on a CV, I guess.

Xander

"tenacious" and "unsung hero"

Scott Pack

Yeah, it's not nice to douchewaffle someone. Kind of crummy really.

Xander

@ScottPack I'd happily be douchwaffled for a gold badge.

I like shiny.

Rory Alsop

@Xander but not vinegary

Scott Pack

19:14

@RoryAlsop I do really like saurbratten

Xander

@RoryAlsop Yes, not vinegary. I've eaten German food. I now know why Germans drink beer with breakfast.

Rory Alsop

@ScottPack prefer Kasebratwurst

Scott Pack

You know what goes very nicely with sauerbraten? Manhattans.

Rory Alsop

@ScottPack mmmmm - think I can manage that in a few minutes. Once this gin and tonic is finished

Scott Pack

I drank a lot of wine last night. I may have to do some G&T tonight

Rory McCune

19:19

has anyone on here played with Quadcopters at all?

Just looking at the phantom DJI, looks v.cool

Rory Alsop

@RoryMcCune I will be expecting flyby video of your new home when you move up there

Rory McCune

@RoryAlsop was actually thinking that + gopro might make a cool marketing video for the house...

Rory Alsop

@RoryMcCune oooh - cool. If you need a camera, I have a Muvi. It's exceedingly good in daylight...but it isnt a gopro

Rory McCune

also that + N900 == war-flying :)

Rory Alsop

nice

Rory McCune

19:23

well might let me write it off as a business expense :)

I can do a conference talk on it :)

only reason for thinking of gopro is apparently this one has a mount for GoPro already fitted

also apparently has GPS and a failsafe mode so it comes home if it gets out of range...

Xander

@RoryMcCune GoPros are pretty awesome. I have a co-worker who just got his private pilot license, and records all his flights with one.

Rory McCune

I go the idea from this vid

►

GoPro + phantom

Xander

@RoryMcCune That's very cool.

Rory Alsop

@Xander ^this

TildalWave

@Adnan - Dunno who was flagging them, but I agreed with probably most flags. Admittedly, I might have VTCed one of those that was borderline, because I was hurried here to take the dog out for a piss :) My bad, if it caused any problems.

Simon

19:59

@TildalWave The world exploded because of you.

TildalWave

@Simon You sure it's not just hiding under your mattress?

Rory McCune

20:16

hmm I may just have impulse purchased a DJI Phantom and gopro...

I probably shouldn't have watched all the cool videos

But if the weather stays decent for a little while I could see some awesome shots of places like Edinburgh...

Simon

20:30

@TildalWave The end of the world?!?

Xander

@RoryMcCune Nice! That'll be fun.

@RoryMcCune I'm less than 30 days out from having a new mouth to feed, so I don't have the luxury of being able to make impulse purchases, so I fully intend to live vicariously through you. :-)

Rory McCune

@Xander yeah lots of fun to be had I reckon. Hope the weather stays nice now for a bit so I can get some good shots! The GoPro looks like a good camera and the phantom seems easy enough for a noob to fly (apparently it has a failsafe return to base mode)

@Xander yeah the 0-kids thing is nice for gadgets :)

Xander

@RoryMcCune LOL! Yup.

Scott Pack

@RoryMcCune And traveling.

Rory McCune

@ScottPack that too. Children + long haul flights <shudder> at the thought

Scott Pack

20:42

@RoryMcCune Even just going away for the weekend. It's a lot more effort.

Xander

@ScottPack Truth.

Most of the Area 51 proposals are utter crap.

Sites for "5 Star Lifestyle" and "Repartee?" Seriously?

Tickling?

A Q&A site for people who enjoy being tickled?

Scott Pack

Devops

Xander

@ScottPack Devops could be interesting, in that it's the intersection of SO and SF. We'll have to see.

Personally, I've tended to scoff at the concept, but I've also followed the proposal, so I can't be too negative. Yet.

It is kind of a "you really should pick one to be good at, rather than being mediocre at both" sort of thing.

Scott Pack

@Xander A lot of it will depend pretty heavily on how it's handled. I'm all for the idea of integrating the developers and operations by way of workflow and task alignment. What worries me is that it tends to be used as a rallying cry to relaign systems administration to developers.

Xander

@ScottPack Yeah, that makes sense.

Scott Pack

20:56

Traditionally Ops and Dev have always been at odds simply because their functions are so different. Ops aims to keep a stable, relatively static environment, that's easily manageable and provides high levels of availability. Dev is trying to always change things.

Xander

And to allow developers who mistakenly think they understand systems to try and take over the whole kit and kaboodle.

Scott Pack

The two can get along, but it requires both cultural and workflow shifts from both teams so that they can each accomplish those goals.

Xander

@ScottPack Exactly.

Scott Pack

But, it's not "Give the programmer the root password because the neckbeard admin won't install the new features. The coder can do all that. I mean, it's all just code anyway."

Xander

@ScottPack Which is all find and dandy until the new feature allows anyone to login to anyone else's account with any password. (Dropbox)

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