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Q: What arguments are made by scholars and non-Śāktas to prove the Devī Bhāgavata isn't a major Purāṇa?

As the title says, what are the arguments usually made by scholars and non-Śāktas (Vaiṣṇavas & others) when they say the Devī Bhāgavata Purāṇa doesn't belong in the list of 18 Mahā-purāṇas?

puranas vaishnavism bhagavata-purana shaktism devi-bhagavata-purana

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3:11 AM

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Q: what does Chanakya implies when he says "Dharma" and "Kama" depends on "Artha"? How do the two depend on Artha?

Chanakya remarks - "Dharma" & "Kama" both depend on "Artha". Could you please explain how Dharma & Kama depends on Artha? What does Chanakya imply with this statement? Also, "Dharma" has multiple meanings in Sanskrit so in which sense is it used here? what is the meaning of "Dharma" here? And, wh...

dharma kama artha

3:40 AM

Suresha Paddhati 3/11 |Krama Jata Ghana Vedic Recitation methods explained| Gayatri Mantra

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4:49 AM

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Q: Does the Adiyogi of Sadhguru have a scriptural basis

Sadhguru Jaggi Vasudev has a large following in India and abroad. His main sculptural work is the Adiyogi Statue in Velliangiri hills, Coimbatore. Does the Statue have any Sthala purana or is it referenced in any ancient scripure? I mean, though Lord Siva is an important deity of Hinduism, and th...

scripture shiva culture saint

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6:02 AM

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Q: Why did King Shantanu wait to see his seven sons die at the hands of Brahmaputri Ganga and not marry another woman?

I am watching B.R Films' series on "Mahabharat". In Episode 1 of which the union between King Shantanu of Hastinapur with Brahmaputri Ganga has been shown. She goes on to kill the sons born during the marriage and since the king is bound by the oath he took before marriage, he couldn't question h...

mahabharata india

TheLittleNaruto

6:35 AM

@RakeshJoshi it can't be simpler than this.

Thanks

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TheLittleNaruto

8:45 AM

Yo @Carmensandiego Did you receive the book "praveshaH" ?

9:40 AM

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Q: simple way to atone past sin

There are a few life incidents that I wanted to talk about: Twenty years back, I was a naive young college student. I was very ambitious in life but at the same time very close to my mother and father. Very attached to them. I however made some small mistakes at that time which I feel impacted m...

9:54 AM

https://hinduism.stackexchange.com/a/41093/21229

Can someone explain this answer to me? Maybe I'm getting it wrong, but the answer is logically impossible

I have added a comment anyway

Carmen sandiego

10:05 AM

@TheLittleNaruto I did ! Yday. Haven't really opened it. Was planning to start studies later today. So was going to ping you

TheLittleNaruto

10:26 AM

@Carmensandiego Cool! Let me know

@DarshitPatel Why is it impossible?

We shouldn't apply our modern logic in scripture

Do we not say God is everywhere and in every sentient-being and non-sentient being?

Does a cell not form two more cells in a body and then these two cells create another two cells from each.

How is it possible ?

By your logic, it shouldn't be able to create another cell on its own, right?

Thanks for the answer on that meta post. @DarshitPatel :)

@TheLittleNaruto This is because if everything was taken this "loosely", there would be no point to the story

TheLittleNaruto

@Brahadeesh still waiting :P

@DarshitPatel Hmm! Right There is no need to take itihasa that "loosely". I gave you an example just to support the answer by giving an argument from science perspective which you may be able to use to relate.

Yes, to also respond to your science based argument, I'd say that the cell is now two entities after division, and they have their own different "consciousness", so they are not same

TheLittleNaruto

But they came from same cell

Of course, I'm not refuting that

TheLittleNaruto

10:39 AM

Just like Indra incarnated as 5 Pandavas

with different consciousness of course

user185131

@TheLittleNaruto Yo buddy, it takes me a while to gather my thoughts, but rest assured an answer there is on its way :)

TheLittleNaruto

@Brahadeesh Great! But my intention was just to summon you :P

user185131

Hahahahaha, and you have succeeded XD

TheLittleNaruto

\o/

Are you targeting any question to answer? @Brahadeesh

@DarshitPatel Is your doubt clear now?

Not yet, I'll clarify a bit more in some time. Am in a meeting at the moment

TheLittleNaruto

10:46 AM

No problem

user185131

I recently answered the one on Shantanu and why he didn't just get another wife immediately

user185131

But, I'm now browsing the earliest questions on this site, as well as the top-voted questions, to get a feel for what is prevalent

TheLittleNaruto

Nice!

I used to do that when I had joined the site

user185131

My impression is (vaguely speaking) that the questions and answers come from a place of seeking sources and of providing them. Contrast this with, say, Buddhism SE, where I feel that the questions and answers are along the lines of "how to live life as a Buddhist better".

TheLittleNaruto

Yeah! That is a problem in a way, I agree. But we have to understand we are dealing with a concept of ancient time which is so diverse that if it is not backed up by authentic sources, one may offend one sect or another.

Check this meta post for example: hinduism.meta.stackexchange.com/q/1033/647

user185131

10:54 AM

Then I should clarify - I think it's great that this site has a strong emphasis on using sources. Otherwise it will just be a mishmash of everyone's opinions. My issue, perhaps, is closer to the Meta question by RamAbloh that I linked earlier - we seem to stop at quoting the sources, and not elaborating on them in our answers. But even further back, our questions do not seek clarification on verses and their meaning, they instead only ask if a source exists for a "well-known" idea.

user185131

This is what I have found in my browsing - I freely admit I could be wrong, and I haven't seen the questions of the other kind that I'm talking about.

TheLittleNaruto

@Brahadeesh I see your point.

Yeah I agree! A further clarification from quotation is always welcome.

user185131

So, this is not to say that we "should" move in a different direction, or that we are currently on a "wrong" path. It's just that, to my eyes, this site seems to serve a different need as compared to Buddhism SE. (I haven't visited Islam SE and Christianity SE so I don't know about their scopes, I can only compare with Buddhism.)

TheLittleNaruto

Sure many users don't do that, but it is possible sometimes quotation parts itself is more than enough. I mean it may not need any further explanation.

user185131

True true, no need to shoehorn in a personal interpretation when a quotation suffices completely.

TheLittleNaruto

10:57 AM

Yeah even I can see the gap here.

Many users just skips explanation(even if it is necessary) and simply add the quotation part.

What would be your suggestion to fill this gap?

user185131

It's interesting to me, because clearly this site has grown organically. This means that Hindus, or people interested in Hinduism, are interested in precisely these sort of things. Perhaps the concept of "living as a good Hindu" is not so important as "do the shastras really say anything about these ideas/practices".

user185131

@TheLittleNaruto Suggestions! That's tough... I'll have to think about it...

user185131

One thing is, this situation can be turned around only if there are enough questions of that sort.

TheLittleNaruto

@Brahadeesh This reminds me of this question: hinduism.meta.stackexchange.com/q/1499/647

user185131

Either we need to bring in people who will ask questions about the interpretations of the shastras as applicable in one's life, or we need to ask such questions ourselves, or both. This is all I have for now...

TheLittleNaruto

11:02 AM

Notice the bottom of the question.

user185131

@TheLittleNaruto I've seen that one, and the one you linked earlier, and voted on them :) Yeah, some parts of my thoughts are in agreement with them. Maybe I'll be able to flesh them out more clearly in my answer to the "What brought you here" question.

TheLittleNaruto

@Brahadeesh Greeaaat!!!!

Looking forward to it

user185131

For instance, here's a question I am vaguely considering asking: What is the significance of the use of the word "mama" by Arjuna in the shloka 2.8 of the Bhagavad Gita?

TheLittleNaruto

let me check

mama is used for "My"

A word in Sanskrit for "My" of English

user185131

That's right. The context here is - Arjuna is lamenting about how there's no point to winning the war, and he says "na hi prapashyaami mama apanudyaat yat shokam uchhoshanam indriyaanaam..."

TheLittleNaruto

11:08 AM

na—not; hi—certainly; prapaśhyāmi—I see; mama—my; apanudyāt—drive away; yat—which; śhokam—anguish; uchchhoṣhaṇam—is drying up; indriyāṇām—of the senses; avāpya—after achieving; bhūmau—on the earth; asapatnam—unrivalled; ṛiddham—prosperous; rājyam—kingdom; surāṇām—like the celestial gods; api—even; cha—also; ādhipatyam—sovereignty

So elaborating my point: Not everyone of Dharma, Vayu, Ashvins are Shakra himself. I do agree that Indra can take up many forms, but if that was true, each would be an exact form of Indra, but Dharma, Vayu, and Ashvins all have different characteristics. If everyone was Indra, there would be no point to the story itself because many a times there is a mention of each of the Pandavas encountering their respective "father" in the story. @TheLittleNaruto

user185131

The "mama shokam" - my grief - is possibly significant? The attachment to one's own grief, something something?

Plus, Pandavas are not seemingly Indras as much as they are sons of each of the Gods. But the Mahabharata itself seems to contradict that in Vaivahika Parva

TheLittleNaruto

@Brahadeesh Got your point

Ok that's another problem lol

This is what I mean by "circular logic". And it would be unfair to treat the texts without question as they themselves talk about a lot of "what is right or wrong" or dharma or adharma

TheLittleNaruto

11:12 AM

Sanskrit of old time wasn't like it is now. @Brahadeesh

@DarshitPatel Did you not say that the two cells formed will have their own consciousness ?

Same way characteristics also can vary in each incarnation

user185131

@TheLittleNaruto No dispute about that

user185131

@TheLittleNaruto In any case, I was putting up that question as an example of the sort I might like to see on the main site :) Rather than "does Arjuna refer to his grief over the war anywhere" or "where does Arjuna refer to his grief over the war in the Gita", asking for a deeper explanation on a particular point might be more interesting. The former would promote answers that give citations from primary sources and little more, but the latter might stimulate more in depth content alongside any citing

user185131

Sorry for the wall of text :P

TheLittleNaruto

@Brahadeesh Understood! Yeah go ahead

post it

@Brahadeesh That's alright

:)

user185131

:D Hai, sensei!

TheLittleNaruto

11:15 AM

@Brahadeesh Attaboi! ;-)

@Brahadeesh Do you still watch anime? If yes, I may be able to suggest a good one.

May be I am being bias or something; but I would encourage anyone who is new to Hinduism read the philosophy of manifestation of this universe in Shiva Sutras(by Jaideva Singh)

The introduction part covers it. No need to read the whole book; just the introduction part.

Ok let me try a different approach: Indra has wife named Sachi, and Dharma obviously has another wife (not Sachi). Are both the wives of Indra? Can Dharma consort with "Indra's" wife? Or is Indra's wife free to choose any other form of Indra without sin?

TheLittleNaruto

@DarshitPatel If all were the incarnation of Indra, then why this wife argument?

It is invalid right?

@TheLittleNaruto That's the point. How can all be incarnations of Indra, if this point is not valid?

TheLittleNaruto

@DarshitPatel Back to zero!

:D

@DarshitPatel Given the context of your question, I am saying your argument of wife is invalid

Haha hope I atleast managed to make you question the arguments

TheLittleNaruto

11:29 AM

If you can give a pause on Mahabharata, and do this, you may be able to understand everything:

9 mins ago, by TheLittleNaruto

May be I am being bias or something; but I would encourage anyone who is new to Hinduism read the philosophy of manifestation of this universe in Shiva Sutras(by Jaideva Singh)

At least such doubts would never come

@TheLittleNaruto No it still isn't. If we assume that all of the Pandavas were Indras, then the text in Mahabharata mentioning each of the Indras separately is also invalid (because Sachi was the wife of Indra, but not of Dharma/Vayu/Ashvins) Entities cannot be interchangeable as per convenience, else there would be no point to anything

@TheLittleNaruto Ah, let me check what the book is about. The problem is we tend to take things a lot literally, and that is what the "context" of my question is

TheLittleNaruto

@DarshitPatel It's a Tantric text from a sect called Kashmiri Shaivism

Any specific text within that you'd like to suggest? Or maybe something "Explain like I'm Five" link that you can point me to?

TheLittleNaruto

I suggested already. But if you're NOT willing to deep dive into that, then read chapter 10 of bhagwat gita: asitis.com/10

Thanks a lot @TheLittleNaruto!

TheLittleNaruto

11:39 AM

Hope this would clear your doubts

user185131

@TheLittleNaruto Yeah, do suggest a few! I'm currently following Fruits Basket and Re:Zero Season 2

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TheLittleNaruto

@Brahadeesh Have you watched The Promised Neverland ? It's one of the best anime I would ever watch. I also would like to share opening song: youtube.com/watch?v=1JoFsTDfd-8 DO listen to it with headphone.

user185131

Noted! No, haven't watched it yet

TheLittleNaruto

If you're into comedy and sports anime, Then you must must watch "Slam Dunk"

You'll die laughing lol

11:43 AM

@TheLittleNaruto It seems S2 got delayed to next year

TheLittleNaruto

@DarshitPatel It's better without S2 imho

S1 alone is enough

Haha yes, it's complete in its own sense

user185131

@TheLittleNaruto Not seen that either, I'll add it to my list :)

TheLittleNaruto

@Brahadeesh I must warn you: "Get ready for the laughs you would never had before!"

user185131

:D

12:55 PM

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Q: Does this sculpture of Lord Shiva really exists somewhere?

Does this sculpture of Lord Shiva really exists somewhere? Or is this only a painting. I found it online many weeks ago and have been awe-struck by its sheer beauty. I would like to visit the place which (possibly) houses this sculpture someday. Any pointers will be helpful. Thanks in advance.

1:19 PM

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Q: Purging of the tag Neo-vedanta

Many questions were posted in Meta, regarding purging of Mythology tag. One Moderator explained here the efforts that are being made to purge this Mythology tag. Good. The tag neo-vedanta was created by some members, targeting a group of members and to demean the ideas of particular category of...

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Q: Gulika, Yamaganda and Ardhaprahara kala

What are the exact definitions and calculations related to Gulika, Yamganda and Ardhaprahara Kalas? Which are auspicious and which inauspicious? I think Rahu Kala is already answered onn this site, but the other three popular kalas are not. Could one give the exact muhurta in the daytime when a p...

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2:22 PM

spam

@TheLittleNaruto As a pointer, you can format tag names in posts using [tag:tag-name]. This would automatically create a link to tag info on the main site.

Like mythology

This works in chat as well as posts. In comments it converts to a hyperlink.

I don't have many reputation points here on Hinduism, so I can't edit that. Of course it's your choice if you want to edit that meta post and add tag formatting.

TheLittleNaruto

@Kulfy I know that.

Let me edit

@Kulfy Thanks. :-)

TheLittleNaruto

2:43 PM

Welcome back @hanugm

Hello @TheLittleNaruto

How r u>

TheLittleNaruto

I am good!

:)

TheLittleNaruto

I see you're making full use of HSE during quarantine. Isn't it? @hanugm

:D

What is the situation of Corona at your place?

hahaha,,,, Yeah....

TheLittleNaruto

2:45 PM

Too bad! Within 500 meters 6 cases

Yours?

ayayo.......... I dont know local statistics...

I am just watching Indian statistics daily.

TheLittleNaruto

@hanugm Do you have Arogya Setu app installed on your phone?

Previously installed. Will install now....

TheLittleNaruto

In that you can see number of cases within 500m, 1km, 2km, 5km and 10km

and statewise and country statistics too

yeah... showing no one....

TheLittleNaruto

2:52 PM

superb

@TheLittleNaruto Excellent.

TheLittleNaruto

@hanugm upto 10km?

@TheLittleNaruto I guess you left [2] orphaned.

TheLittleNaruto

@Kulfy Edited!

35 :-o

TheLittleNaruto

2:53 PM

@Kulfy Sorry?

hinduism.meta.stackexchange.com/revisions/…

TheLittleNaruto

@hanugm Still good! You must be living in some small town/village

[2] link was never used.

TheLittleNaruto

@Kulfy Excuse me?

8 in 5km yeah..........

2:54 PM

@TheLittleNaruto See the link I posted above

TheLittleNaruto

@Kulfy hinduism.meta.stackexchange.com/revisions/…

Sorry I am really bad at joking around

I failed

I thought I failed at explaining things. Would have been a better joke if the edits were made in grace period.

TheLittleNaruto

Right

@hanugm And 2km?

@Hinduismbot @Kulfy @Brahadeesh You guys can easily answer this question.

2 km no one,,,,,,,,,,,

@TheLittleNaruto I'd rather ping the commentator

3:09 PM

@TheLittleNaruto When will our main site gets graduate?

user image

user185131

@TheLittleNaruto Why do I find two different poses of the statue on the internet, one with hands on the knees and another with hands on the lap, as in the question?

user185131

It's apparently the one at Rishikesh only, as the commenter mentioned. minube.net/place/estatua-de-shiva--a2204162#

user185131

user image

user185131

And it was apparently washed away in the 2013 floods?! Heck, I had no idea.

3:12 PM

@Brahadeesh Nope. I guess it's still there.

user185131

The information on the net is confusing. I'll avoid answering the question :D If you have a good answer to give then maybe you could contribute one @Kulfy? :)

user185131

@TheLittleNaruto So, I'll be deleting my recent answer after this comment (and rightly so): hinduism.stackexchange.com/questions/41105/…

Carmen sandiego

3:31 PM

@TheLittleNaruto - i have started reading the first chapter. how do you propose to study together?

TheLittleNaruto

3:56 PM

@Kulfy Okay

@hanugm No idea as if now. Let's see. But I think we are making good progress.

@Kulfy Yeah I am aware of that flood.

@Brahadeesh Same picture, captured in different angle.

@Brahadeesh It's still there.

@Brahadeesh Don't delete it! See if you can find any scripture reference.

TheLittleNaruto

4:08 PM

@Carmensandiego There are 10 chapters. I am thinking to finish it 2.5~3 months. We shall finish each chapter in 1 week with all abbhyasha(practice questions.)

While reading chapters we can ask doubts to each other

Also we can see who could answer all the questions(at the end of each chapter). And if not, we can discuss on same questions.

Since you have already started reading, Let's target 1st chapter this week itself. Let me know if this sounds okay to you.

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5:47 PM

@TheLittleNaruto @TheLittleNaruto yes I saw the answer... the first quote is the traditional view that I also thought about, but then I was trying to get some reference to Vyasa in the Vedic granthas, that's why I said it will take longer for me :)

@Archit ji, I am here... would love to discuss with you :)

Carmen sandiego

6:27 PM

@TheLittleNaruto - sounds like a plan. Let's do chp 1 this week

TheLittleNaruto

6:42 PM

@RamAbloh I would still love to see an answer from you even if it takes time. :-)

@Carmensandiego Cool! In between too, we can ask doubts! So feel free to do that!

@Kulfy Aren't you sleeping nowadays?

kills @Kulfy for having sleepless nights

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10:39 PM

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Q: question on Amavashya tharpanam

Doing tharpanam on the day of Amavashya is a well known fact. My father was doing it very sincerely on all Amavashyas. but now, since he became very old and because of health issues, he is not able to do so. My question is can i do it because my father is not able to do? i know that if one's fa...

vedas practice brahman

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