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Q: Would seeing the stars spell out a sentence justify a designer?

Baby_philosopherSuppose you looked out at the night sky and saw the stars literally spell out a sentence saying, “God is real.” Now, as a thought experiment, let’s assume that you could somehow know that a) this isn’t a hallucination and b) humans could not have designed this (after all, they’re stars) and c) no...

Why you need the stars saying “God is real"? It is much more simple to imagine that God pops-up in the sly saying "Here I am!"
The stars can say whatever as long as the sentence is meaningful or spells out letters that are meaningful. For the purpose of this thought experiment, this is irrelevant
Seems very similar to the question raised here, albeit probably not really a duplicate: philosophy.stackexchange.com/q/102644/9274 And the answer I think applies here as well. If there is overwhelming evidence for something deemed unlikely (the stars literally aligning), can it still be said with a straight face that rejecting the evidence is rational?
@kutschkem I thought of this after reading Hume’s Dialogues concerning Natural Religion recently where he talks about how he would react to a voice from the clouds. To play devil’s advocate here, wouldn’t it only be overwhelming evidence if you assume the designer already exists? For example, any random pattern could also be seen as evidence that a designer who wanted that specific pattern to occur exists. Yet in that case, the inference wouldn’t make sense
I would probably start believing there's some kind of deity at that point, sure. Not any of the deities on offer by the major religions, but a deity nonetheless.
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Are you sure you are not @thinkingman?
We already have little miracles within the capacity of Nature's production. Jesus face appearing on a tree stump, for example. It's much easier in those situations to chock it down to pure chance tbh.
@TKoL That is only because those formations often seem imperfect. Imagine Jesus being on toast but in a very specific, detailed form.
Stars can lie. Beings that manipulate the positions of stars to spell out things can spell out false things. Also, it's not clear whether or not you're implying this, but a star sentence designer need not be an entire universe designer, and the existence of the first doesn't establish the existence of the second.
Are you talking about the scenario where: up until a given date all phenomena in the world occurred as they have in our world, then, at some particular instant, (essentially) everyone who looks into the night sky sees the stars in a new configuration? If so, you doubt that this would indicate a supernatural event occured? (here I'm using supernatural in a pretty literal sense -- involving phenomena beyond our current naturalistic understanding of the world)
Assuming that the message is in English, it would suggest that God is not only real, but also that She wrote the King James Bible...
Ivo
Ivo
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While a) and b) can easily be proven there is absolutely no way ever that c) can't be true
Tangent: There are so many stars visible on a clear, rural, moonless night that you could select whatever phrase you liked; there are sufficient stars to spell out almost any shortish sentence.
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Not violating any laws of physics that are believed to be necessary statements rather than probabilistic certainties is pretty conceptually easy. You can have some dead stars kindle back to life, or black holes spontaneously glow, or mid-life stars spontaneously supernova. (Just have them all do it various centuries ago, with miraculous serendipity of timing on top of the near zero probability of the events themselves, so that the light from these many distant almost-but-not-quite impossible events all gets here tomorrow.)
"no intelligent, physical life form that could possibly have been evolved elsewhere on another planet designed this": and we know this because...?
If the only two choices you're allowing are "god" and "happened randomly", then isn't this just a question of probability? The probability that god exists is 1 minus the probability of it happening randomly.
Often when I am driving and I see all those lines made of tar that seal the cracks in the asphalt, I wonder what sort of blasphemous things they probably say in Arabic, which I can't read.
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For all we know this is already true but in an alien language that we don't recognize. Why in English?
Why are the comments here missing the obvious point of the question and instead talking about irrelevant things that distract from it? Clearly, we all know that you can spell anything out with stars. The question doesn’t say it was spelled out. Second, the point isn’t the specific language, the point is whether there is a specific, clear meaningful message written in any known language. The example works with “Allah U Akbar” in Arabic
What if the stars spell out “There is no god.”?
I think this is a great question, and it attracted a few great answers. However you added the tag "intelligent-design", and "intelligent design" is a political movement, a rebranding of creationism based on pseudo-science. Maybe that's one of the reasons why "comments here missing the obvious point of the question and instead talking about irrelevant things that distract from it".
If you consider that the comments here miss the obvious point of the question, perhaps you failed to communicate something which was obvious to your good self. Perhaps people are trying to help you clarify your question? Have you considered this possibility?
Using stars to spell a message is described in Red Dwarf: Infinity Welcomes Careful Drivers. Here's the passage: "For anyone living on Earth the result would be mindfizzlingly spectacular. One hundred and twenty-eight stars would appear to go supernova simultaneously, burning with such ferocity they would be visible even in daylight. And the hundred and twenty-eight supernovae would spell out a message. And this would be the message: 'COKE ADDS LIFE!'"
Tom
Tom
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The fact that you immediately accepted the first answer that fit to your own perspective makes me doubt the intention of asking the question. It is generally considered good form on Stackoverflow to wait at least a day or two.
is thsi not a duplicate to a statue waving?
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The accepted answer doesn’t talk about any particular side
And it’s also the most upvoted answer
 
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It's worth noting that if you multiply all the human languages by all the different ways of expressing the general idea ("God is real", "God exists", "Hello, this is God", "God was here", "signed, God", "Guess Who?", "I'm totally God you guys", "LOL BUTTS", etc.), the probability of seeing such a significant message in a random universe of stars increases considerably.

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