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2:24 AM
It's an emoticon.
 
 
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3:50 AM
Yeah, It is an eastern emotion which means "Distorted eyes for annoyance"
 
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
 
 
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Anonymous
6:16 AM
"Eastern emotion" - what on Earth does that mean?
 
Was probably supposed to be s/emotion/emoticon/
 
Anonymous
Right :D
 
Anonymous
Thanks, lol.
 
Anonymous
I've got this week off work and its the first time I've had holiday since I started working which was over a year ago, lol.
 
6:55 AM
how was this CTF?
 
Hello everyone, I have a question about TOTP, and about two factor protectors. A post ( security.stackexchange.com/questions/120371/… ), has answered most of my questions, but still one thing left that I could not make myself clear
 
7:30 AM
@Joshua.J Actually it was supposed to be "Eastern emoticon"
 
@DoğukanUçak what's your question?
 
@Kepotx thank you. I want to ask step by step. As I understood, the security strength of the token depends on our secret key K, right?
 
Anonymous
7:53 AM
@daya But what does "Eastern Emoticon" mean?
 
Anonymous
I don't really get the "Eastern" part.
 
Anonymous
How can an emoticon be from a region? >.<
 
@DoğukanUçak well, usually secret key + time give you the shared key
@Joshua.J western emoticon = Europe+USA, Eastern=Asia
 
Anonymous
I know.
 
Anonymous
But how does that even make sense?
 
7:56 AM
and it's usually horizontal VS vertical
 
Anonymous
I don't get that but >.<
 
probably history: first emoticon used in US was horizontal while vertical emoticon was "invented" in japan
but don't worry, japanese won't invade you if you use eastern emoticon
 
@Kepotx, time is the reason why the same secret key generates different tokens. Although an attacker knows about the time, he can not guess the token, since he does not know the secret key. However, I think , we should not use the same secret key for a long time, we also need to change it in some interval, am I correct? token
 
Anonymous
@Kepotx I see :P
 
@DoğukanUçak knowing the time + secret key, you can generate the token but knowing the token + time isn't enough to generate the secret key
 
8:03 AM
@Kepotx, thanks I understood those. But still do we need to change our secret key frequently?
Because some generators can work offline, I just wonder, how they do it without changing the key. Do they always use the same key?
 
@DoğukanUçak if you think the secret key can be compromised, probably
@DoğukanUçak for working offline, i think the mobile have also the secret key so totp token can be generated offline
 
@Kepotx the post I read says, it is possible to compromise by brute-force in 10 days. And yes mobile also have the secret key.
 
but i'm not an expert at all, if you want several/good quality answer, you should ask on the main site
@DoğukanUçak well, usually TOTP are short password, so there are more security against brute-force like locking account
 
@Kepotx, okay thank you!. I found really interesting that they can work offline :)
 
sure but as always they are some caveats with everything offline/done locally
 
8:19 AM
They might exchange a new secret key when they have connection, but when they do not they use the same key. Still I think the longer having the same key, the more danger for compromising.
I found another post about it, security.stackexchange.com/questions/153409/…
 
"I do not think it is relevant for a brute-force attack that the token changes every 30 seconds. Suppose an attacker can test 1000 tokens in the first 30 seconds. That gives a change of 1/1000 of being correct. The next 30 seconds the attacker can simply try the same 1000 tokens again. As the token has changed, there is a new 1/1000 chance of being correct. After 500 * 30 seconds (a little over 4 hours) he has a over 50% chance of success in all the tries."
from a comment on the first question you qoted
6 digit password is not enough combination to avoid the risk of brute force. It's enough to know if someone have the device or not in a short amount of times/attempts, but is not secure enough if there are not further protection
 
8:34 AM
As a result, the secret key must be refreshed and exchanged again, right? Maybe I can investigate the token generator application deeply and find it out :)
 
as a result of what ?
 
As a result of the possibility of brute force attack
 
well, you bruteforce the token, not the secret key
 
yes that's right.
 
 
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11:44 AM
sup
 
 
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2:51 PM
wow, this question now has more answers then upvotes
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Q: Is It Common To Allow Local Admin Access For Developers in Organizations

matwonkI work at a company with a staff of about 1000+. We currently have programming development staff that work on web based projects (approx 50 people). Recently due to security concerns our IT and Security department implemented a restriction no longer allowing local admin access on machines . The...

 
damn, it will probably be on the HNQ for a while
same for this one in worldbuilding
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Q: How to explain why humans weren’t encountered by alien species?

ThunderfootSo, I’ve been writing a sci-fi novel, that takes place a few centuries in the future. In the novels lore, it says that their was much life throughout the galaxy, but humans were just contacted little. Every other pre type-1 species in the galaxy, or most, had encountered alien life that was seen ...

 
@Jacco you probably get a 50+ votes comment on that question
 
Ah well. Had the question been phrased better, it could have been an answer : )
I guess the high number of replies is, at least in part, due to the question asking for 'what is common'. It kinda invites people to add their own experience and opinion on the matter.
 
3:06 PM
yup
funny how the only good answer now also got downvoted m(
the one from john-m
 
I once did an internship with a multinational, as an intern, we were -of course- not given local admin rights on our PCs. Problem was, as part of our project we needed to develop an install wizard : )
 
good job
 
After about half a day the department we had to call to authorize the install for us gave in : )
 
"impressively, we finished anyway"
yeah, and that is the difference. you don't call the IT guys to make it work. you call the people to make the authorization..
 
to be honest, they had it well organized. It was just that they didn't expect us to need to run an installer several times an hour.
 
3:18 PM
it's not exactly "opinion-based" but arent "experience-based" Q/A also subjectives?
 
3:42 PM
@Kepotx well, some things are not written down in books
for instance a lot of questions on hacking culture
people here do know this but it is knowledge that is hard to get elsewhere in a well-structured manner
 
 
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11:21 PM
The idea that a DVR is listening on the network is so foreign to me.
 
@forest remote monitoring, especially over mobile is a feature a lot of less tech and security savvy folks want
 
It's unfortunate.
One of my friends has a "smart home"... Like, everything connected using Bluetooth.
It's sad how the architecture itself screams "insecure".
 

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