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09:03
@AviD I refuse that excuse.
@Arperum no, not an excuse.
I was mansplaining to @kalina why utter disregard for other people's feelings is not simply covered under ego.
@AviD And I refuse your explanation. Because it's bullshit.
o_O
@Arperum you think utter disregard for other people's feelings is covered by ego?
take a look at @RoryAlsop - huge ego, and no disregard at all.
I've been in a relationship with someone with asperger for over five years. That does not involve utter disregard for other people's feelings.
@Arperum oh I thought you meant the other way around.
@Arperum fair enough then
09:08
I'm not saying it has to do with ego. It has to do with being an asshole.
@Arperum if I were to be more precise, aspergers has to do with a difficulty in understanding other people feelings.
@Arperum haha okay there we are.
@AviD Yes. That is true. I can attest of that. (I have not been officially diagnosed, but I am pretty sure I also have a light form of asperger, and that part is a bitch)
@Arperum yeah definitely somewhere on the scale
@AviD Everyone is somewhere on the scale. Since "not at all" is also on the scale :p But I'm not at that specific point of the scale.
@Arperum pffft
09:12
@AviD Technical correctness best correctness.
09:24
@AviD I detected your condescending mansplaining and manifested my annoyance as further indifference
nicely done
coffee is interacting extremely badly to me this morning
@kalina do you mean mentally or physically? I sometimes find it doesn't make me alert, but just makes be hungry and grumpy
you seen this?
wait thats not the one
there was one where he is mansplaining to her what mansplaining is
09:27
What is mansplaining? I cannot YouTube here
thats the one.
it was kimmel, not fallon.
@RoryAlsop "Aaaactually, its when a man explains something to a women in a condescending way. But you were close."
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What's "mansplaining"?
@RoryAlsop I feel like violently puking
@Adi it's where a man "explains" something to a woman in a manner where they believe the woman is off too little intelligence to comprehend
@kalina coffee can do that ?
@M'vy well, coffee is bitter, so... sure
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09:30
@kalina Isn't that just arrogansplaining?
I do that to men as well
@kalina well. true. but I'd look for underlying causes
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whom I perceive as being of too little intelligence
For example, in my SE answers
condescending seemed a good word.
@M'vy the list of potential underlying causes... oh I don't know, how about lack of sleep this weekend, drugs, dehydration, very little food, bla bla bla bla bla
at no point did I say I'm worried in the slightest
the snap back to reality is always slightly painful
@kalina yeah ofc. Just coffee as the only source of making one sick seemed weird.
09:34
well considering that today I have consumed a slice of toast and two coffees, it seemed logical
@M'vy well unless you drink like 10 cups a day
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I substitute coffee with a lot of 8 energy drinks per day
Works fine
@Adi full-sugar ones?
@Adi I went off energy drinks
@kalina Funny how mine was kinda reversed. Good sleep, no drugs (just a bit a wine - this accounts for hydration too I guess) lot of food for easter.
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09:35
@RоryMcCune the no-sugar ones.
the only downside was the 2x 6h drive to my parent's home
@Adi they're even worse
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BEST DRINKS EVER!!
aspartame is actually a poison
you really should avoid consuming any of it
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@kalina I need my taurine, man!
09:36
since it's the 'sweetener' in sugar free drinks, that means no sugar free drinks
@Adi was gonna say even with a young person's metabolism 8 full sugar energy drinks would be bad...
@kalina Yay! Proper sugar!
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@RоryMcCune My metabolism is so high that I think my body will decay in a few years.
@Adi don't worry it'll slow down in a couple of years and you'll wonder where all the weight gain came from
then you'll have to start watching what you eat
and / or excercising a lot
"Kids, in our time, when someone finds a vulnerability, he would get a CVE-ID, not a domain name.“ https://t.co/047XJlPAAb
@kalina only proper sugar is good - humans have evolved to cope with it - either by using it (wheeee) or storing it.
@RоryMcCune Even I don't have that many - any more...
09:43
@RoryAlsop what about stevia though...
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@RоryMcCune Try to get a CVE-ID these days
@RoryAlsop I read that as snorting it.
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Fuck MITRE!
@JourneymanGeek it stings - I tried that in the late 70's
09:47
@Adi yeah that's the problem sounds like CVE is kinda' busted. BTW hows the "you know what" vulnerability ?
I'd put the name but then we'd trigger the $large_co_bot
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@RоryMcCune I gave up, just like 75% of the vulns I try to exploit. At some point, the exploitation leads me too deep into C that I just can't see the point anymore
This one seems to require a lot of knowledge about how file handling works
@Adi yeah I guess by the lack of public exploits that it's not an easy one
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@RоryMcCune Honestly, I'm not so sure.
@AviD sorry you'll need to wait until the room's next scheduled drama day, before you can have any more drama :op
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09:51
It's currently going around underground for about 70 BTC
That doesn't really correlate with an exploit that is too difficult
70BTC - sounds like a lot!
@Adi ahh, I didn't know it was doing the rounds (but then not a scene I keep up on...)
Or maybe that isn't - I don't know how much these things usually price at
09:52
I guess depends on what you want to do with it...
for some attackers that's small beer, and if it's a reliable remote code execution on windows
and samba
that's fairly useful
if that's what this is, there will be "appliances" getting popped using it for aaaaaaaaages
every frickin' NAS and a load of consumer routers bundle Samba for file sharing...
filling my face hole with food didn't help my sickness
if all else fails, pregnancy test
@kalina did you perhaps make a mistake and apply the food to your nose?
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@kalina Usually, the nose isn't good for ingestion.
Aaaah.. ninja'd
that would be exactly what I need in my life right now
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Congratulations in advance!
09:58
I was being sarcastic
@kalina :-/
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Oh. Sorry
Condolences in advance!
well it's not that
I guess I'm just more broken than usual
@kalina can the DMZ have a competition to name him/her/them?
no? why on earth would I do that?
10:10
@kalina :/
@kalina My wife has been off work for nearly 2 months with pregnancy sickness... Not good at all...
first of all, the entire idea bothers me immensely
secondly, if I had a boy I'd have it adopted
thirdly, if I had a girl she'd be a fully trained super villain by the age of four, building on my experience
@kalina we could still pick a super villain name.
@kalina it'd be a great story to tell.. "so why is $child called Donut-Lady the 1st" "well funny you should ask that..."
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10:12
@RоryMcCune great, so now you're suggesting I'd name my child as though @Simon was the father?
I didn't think you thought so low of me
@kalina that was just an example
@kalina At least he didn't suggest "Rory"
Rory is an inappropriate name
@kalina well apart from that disappointing time in a club in quebec, I'm sure you would never stoop so low.
@RоryMcCune the idea that I'd do that in a club is bonkers
10:15
@kalina I thought it was a relatively common place for young people to do it
@Matthew why, do you have sex at your workplace?
in front of a huge crowd of people who not only know who you are but are actively present specifically to see you?
I wonder, if @Kalina would have a baby with someone in the DMZ... who would it be?
@kalina No - far too busy. Would be very conspicuous...
@Lighty I find this conversational direction insulting
@kalina I find you finding that insulting insulting;)
10:18
@SmokeDispenser no you don't
@kalina it's very tricky to concentrate...apparently
@kalina of course it is. Why would anyone name their child after the father... ;-P
@RoryAlsop I... what? O_O
@RoryAlsop well, of course not.
@SmokeDispenser yeah I really want to spend my day discussing hypothetical sexual relations with a bunch of people I barely know
Good call
that's completely appropriate and wouldn't make anybody uncomfortable at all
10:21
Next topic please
How 'bout them CVE's, eh
nobody cares about CVEs
Mitre can suck a fat one and we can move on
what about spotify taking on $1 billion of debt on pretty bad terms
spotify can also suck a fat one
doesn't sound good for the king of music streaming
@RоryMcCune yeah - that baffled me
They are already in the **** for being useless to artists
Do you know how much I expect to get paid by them over the next year?
10:23
@RoryAlsop the suggestion was that they are worried about doing a "down round" where their valuation is lower than the last time they got more money, so they took on debt instead, but the terms make it kind of clear they're not doing well...
less than €100
@kalina very much less, yes :-(
there is too much focus on the performance
you shouldn't have to perform publicly to make money off your art
@RoryAlsop 2,67 eur
@kalina TWSS
@SmokeDispenser you are even closer than @kali
10:24
grrrrrr
@RoryAlsop, that's horrible.
@kalina the whole industry is b0rked so much
Clearly the answer is herself. Or her male clone ;p
@SmokeDispenser you haven't even got a clue
I make literally 5% of my income making music
yet it's the activity that takes the most time
10:25
@kalina There are no streaming providers who I can make money from
@kalina unfortuntately music fans seem willing to pay for concert/gig tickets and not willing to pay for recorded music
@kalina You have no idea how true that is when it comes to music.
@RоryMcCune it's the "experience"
you can't replicate a live event and the moment that comes with it
and you can't pirate an experience.
inb4
I remember the first time I got paid for a track I released
I genuinely cried
10:26
(though there's some artists whose bootlegs are pretty darned awesome. Tori Amos is really funny in her concerts ;p)
@RоryMcCune I'd rather have the music to listen to on my own than drunken idiots spoiling a show;)
I will pay you one farthing to dance the dance of dances
@silverpenguin an actual farthing?
@JourneymanGeek no i will pay you a penny and i expect 3 farthings change
when a track on a cd that sold thousands of copies results in you getting paid €50 and it took you 50+ hours to write/arrange/produce/mix said track
and 50 hours is being optimistic
10:27
lol
and so is €50
@kalina The first year after Burn Your PLanet was released we got a good royalty cheque. We were delighted.
yeah, totally hear ya
We get much more from festivals
And t-shirts
and then you go out to a club and headline, suddenly it's POW
10:27
And badges
here is three/four figures for your time
@kalina ahh - we haven't had pow yet
@JourneymanGeek we don't need no steenking badgers
and you're like, well, I spent 2 hours travelling here, and 1 hour playing, and 2 hours travelling back, and you're paying me more money than I've spent this week, and I'm playing somewhere else tomorrow as well..
10:28
which is good no?
We have managed a few 4 figure gigs, sure, but never a 5...
Other than the opsec thing.
@JourneymanGeek it's skewed horribly
without the music, there is nothing to play in the club
yet the making of the music is basically a worthless task without charting internationally
This ^
@kalina difference is, instead of the money paying someone's cocaine budget, it goes into your pocket?
10:29
Mechanical royalties vs performance royalties
(sorry, I'm kinda teed off at the entertainment industry at the moment)
sure, if you chart internationally, that's a big deal
also wifi
Wifi needs to DIATF
T?
Thermite?
10:31
and then there's the other thing
@kalina - or you manage a sync deal with a film/advert/TV show that is incredibly popular
That is likely to make money
which is the constant evolution of subgenres into new genres which means the best way to deal with it is to be active in multiple genres at once
which is crazy
but thermite works
because writing one track is time consuming
writing three tracks to cover releases in three genres is life consuming
(We are having new airconditioning installed, so my homeplug net was disconnected. And the wifi adaptor on my desktop is utter shit)
10:32
especially if you try and keep a regular release schedule on the go
@kalina -.-
Or in the case of crazy things like Industrial, apparently the scene has been dead for years, whereas in reality it just keeps flowing, so many bands panic or die. We just keep playing our stuff, and sometimes we are called industrial, other times not...
@kalina what genres? :) (is this an ok question? )
@silverpenguin no this is not an ok question
@kalina ok sorry
10:35
would you like my home address as well?
@RoryAlsop, you are? Do you have some sort of link? I'd like to listen to that, maybe.
@kalina hey i said ok and sorry :( atleast i checked now il move on :)
it just annoys the crap out of me that I have made more money this weekend than I will from making music this year
@RoryAlsop, on your profile, I just spotted that you are a mensa member - here, those guys seemed all quite smug to me, so I left after the first meeting no not come back;)
which is great because I'm trying to motivate myself to GET TO WORK
10:36
@SmokeDispenser www.youtube.com/MetaltechTheBand www.metaltech.me www.facebook.com/Metaltech
@SmokeDispenser Yeah - I have found 3 individuals in Mensa I like
@RoryAlsop, thanks
@SmokeDispenser sex on the dance floor is a good one
I don't go to the meetings
They seem unbearably smug, condescending, unrelated to reality
I just joined to show a higher score than my kid brother
@RoryAlsop I went once, checked it out and thought "yeah, no, that's just a bunch of smug people, I do not participate."
And then my youngest brother got a higher score than both of us ;-/
10:37
I need to start singing
@SmokeDispenser exactly correct
which means I need to learn how to sing without sounding like I'm being murdered
@kalina I thought you did
@kalina I sometimes sing in the shower, i basically a rock star
@RoryAlsop I have done minor vocal work that has been released
I usually avoid that
unless piling on the effects anyway
10:38
@SmokeDispenser As an aside, I am secretary of the Mensda Security SIG - which is actually incredibly difficult to get input on. I'm trying to pull together some short papers for publishing in the SIG, but very few want to feed in to it.
So I'm happy to take anything...
@kalina or pick a genre where you need to sound like you're murdered
@kalina I can't sing any of the genres I really like. My vocal range is down at Crash Test Dummies level, unfortunately, so I don't sing on anything
I can't sing, period. And my voice is silly. And of course... I have perfect pitch
@RoryAlsop As to above reason, I'm no Mensa member, my test just sitting useless in a folder at home;)
10:40
@RoryAlsop Mensa tests suck anyway... I scored highly but their questions could be answered in more than one way especially similarity questions
@silverpenguin their tests are very good at showing how well you can sit one of their tests
@Adi lolz
@kalina isn't that what auto-tune is for?
@Adi that's quite awesome
@RоryMcCune I'd have to auto tune everything
@RoryAlsop lol I want to do a real IQ test ... something that can give me good results (out of curiousty not ego)
10:41
@RoryAlsop If external papers are welcome, could you be more specific than "anything"?;)
@SmokeDispenser security :-)
@kalina from hearing some modern songs I got the impression that was not entirely unheard of...
I have carte Blanche apparently
auto tune is nice as a stylistic effect
@silverpenguin then do. or better: don't.
10:42
if you have to auto tune all the things then it's time to get a new vocalist
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@RоryMcCune @RoryAlsop Indeed! I just started using it.
@SmokeDispenser why dont? and i just havent because they all seem like a con to get your dollar but i could be told differently?
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One step closer not being able to use any machine other than mine
@RoryAlsop like, my pick from social security to it security?;)
@silverpenguin - I have gained almost nothing from being a member. It was a topic of conversation in some interviews, I guess. The magazine is generally interesting-ish
10:43
@silverpenguin because it's not good for a single thing.
@SmokeDispenser absolutely - social engineering, lock picking, cyber, password strength, whatever
@silverpenguin I have been dragged there by my mom at 22 or something. Didn't help at all
@RoryAlsop topic jump sorry, have you ever read new scientist?
@silverpenguin Have had a subscription for over 30 years, yep
@SmokeDispenser at 22?
@RoryAlsop its gotten SO BAD its all social science
10:44
@RoryAlsop Funny. Have locks and a pickset on my desk currently;)
@silverpenguin the web version seems better recently
@silverpenguin yep. she begged me to go
@SmokeDispenser :O me too, i also have a bump key on my keys :D
@SmokeDispenser lol - reminds me. Need to nick mine back off the kids and take it to work
@RoryAlsop :D
10:45
@RoryAlsop can you suggest a good magazine to keep up with security issues? I find it hard to keep up recently
@silverpenguin no single one, no. @RоryM had a good list somewhere here of useful feeds. I need to thin my feed list down as while I get a bunch of good stuff, I'm no longer able to read it all each day
"magazine" ?
@kalina I like to flick pages sometimes
I like to flick... what?!
@RoryAlsop, what is 'short' then, exactly?
10:47
u liek to flyk pagez?
@SmokeDispenser useful sizes seem to be anything from 1000 words upwards. I asked this of Mensa and they said - whatever :-)
@kalina ...
@kalina I like to flick many things...pages, rocks, beans the list goes on
@RoryAlsop, I might consider writing something up; maybe a rant about emails, GPG, S/MIME, DKIM, SPF and why the fuck we still have to deal with spam.
@silverpenguin flicking beans? you shouldn't play with your food
@JourneymanGeek That's called grindcore.
10:49
@RoryAlsop any deadline?;)
@kalina lovely :-)
@kalina but how will i make the turkey dinosaurs and the smiley faces do battle?
@SmokeDispenser 37 minutes
@silverpenguin eat them and let the battle commence surrounded by stomach acid
the great bean vs dinosaur standoff in digestion valley
@kalina inevitable to like you.
@kalina sounds like that fight could turn to crap at any moment
I made my self laugh i dont care if its toilet humour D: let me laugh
10:51
@Arperum I thought that's when you sing like you're getting feet first into a stone grinder...
@silverpenguin so sad
@kalina no whats sad that even to this day when i eat potato smiley faces I make little screams as if they are in pain
pls
nuuuuuuu chomp chomp chomp
@SmokeDispenser actually, no - as soon as I can get 4 articles (or 6 depending on size) I can publish the next one. Previous Sec didn't have much luck getting responses - I am having slightly better luck, but it is tough.
10:52
I break the limbs off gingerbread men by begging for mercy
and then snap his head off
@JourneymanGeek That pretty much sounds like you are being murdered. So perfectly valid.
dude. The nuances!
What about the sound of someone dying of being eaten by a raptor!
sometimes chatting on the internet is like getting repeatedly kicked in the box
@RoryAlsop So, if such proposed topic might be a fit, I'd be happy to write a roundup. What's the target audience? Technical people of "normal" people?;)
10:54
@JourneymanGeek Different song?
@kalina you dont know if you enjoyed it or if it hurts?
@kalina sometimes it hurts in the box. Sometimes it agony of da feet?
Although to be fair: I have not been able to distinguish between any two grindcore songs/bands.
@silverpenguin being kicked in the box always hurts
It all sounds terrible.
10:55
@SmokeDispenser Main audience is Security people who are also members of Mensa (Ie they signed up to the Security SIG) but it also goes to anyone else who wants to read it
It is online, but some papers from all the SIG's are chosen to go into the paper magazine
@RoryAlsop So then the topic is not interesting because all who read it know that
@SmokeDispenser being in Mensa does not make someone clever though...
I reckon it would be interesting
@RoryAlsop that I figured a long time ago.
@kalina I hope no one makes you feel like that here :(
@RoryAlsop I'll may beat myself to Mou in my spare time
10:57
@silverpenguin you're so new that it hurts
@kalina :< but you know im just a cuddly manatee :<
@silverpenguin Have you ever seen a manatee? Being cuddled by one sounds like it would not be the best experience.
@RoryAlsop there is a fair chance I am mailing you a draft in a few weeks:)
@Arperum I cuddle my self and then sob so i can see why it could be seen as negative

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