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12:00 AM
 
@AviD my brother still plays the shit out of that
 
@JourneymanGeek :[
 
I've been trying to talk him into picking up torchlight
oh, and POE
I am sadly neglecting POE
 
@MarkBuffalo So about those tin foil pants. They totally exist.
 
but annoyingly since the company that makes it has some deal with a local company I can't get the steam version of path of exile so I can't get that multiplayer with my usual gaming group
 
12:05 AM
@JasonC Anti-radiation clothes are popular in China d:
They make you more likely to be affected by radiation, though
 
Why? Because you're less likely to be careful?
 
No, they literally trap harmful radiation inside of the clothing
Because it can't get out
There's the mistaken belief that computer radiation will harm the baby as well, even though it's non-ionizing radiation.
 
Yeah I'm reading that. Interesting.
Somehow not surprising.
 
Those pants are a little too extreme for my tastes
Either removable battery, or faraday pouch
d-;
 
"Those who surrender [nice looking pants] for security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one."
 
12:09 AM
lol
 
12:20 AM
@ThomasPornin many many thanks, it really cracked up my morning as well :p
 
@LucasKauffman Sounds fun! What is it? :p
 
12:40 AM
sweet. another Chinese expat website "harmonized" by the CPC
 
@MarkBuffalo homework, Thomas will remove my spine for using decryption in the context of signatures
 
@LucasKauffman I've already been killed by @ThomasPornin for talking about hashing being encryption. I am now speaking from beyond the grave
 
12:58 AM
just rejected an edit for someone who appeared to be advertising EC2 instances lol wtf
#productPlacment
 
1:13 AM
Back-alley EC2 instances
'ey kid, want some cloud?
3
 
1:30 AM
s/cloud/butt
 
@JourneymanGeek smog?
 
not at the moment ;p
more of a mist
 
2:17 AM
Tomorrow is the crypto class. I hope I don't suck
> U.S. President Barack Obama on Friday made a passionate case for mobile devices to be built in a way that would allow the government to gain access to personal data if needed to prevent a terrorist attack or enforce tax laws.
 
"If technologically it is possible to make an impenetrable device or system where the encryption is so strong that there is no key, there's no door at all, then how do we apprehend the child pornographer, how do we solve or disrupt a terrorist plot?"
ayy lmao
 
I'm a bit conflicted here... on one hand, he has a point. On the other hand, it will lead to far more criminal activities and repressive regimes controlling people far more easily.
In this case, you're damned if you do, damned if you don't.
 
I'm reasonably sure that any backdoors would be found by criminals within days
 
Pretty much
I'm reasonably sure as well
 
2:38 AM
@etherealflux funny thing. Someone basically released the application forms for a good chunk of ISIS/Daesh members
Cause he was pissed off.
 
@JourneymanGeek lol
 
2:56 AM
@silverpenguin didn't look like he was advertising that
 
3:54 AM
@RoryAlsop mmm yeah that's nice
@RоryMcCune Do you mean a 900 series card, or which 980 to get?
@RoryAlsop Oh man that solo
@RоryMcCune EVGA is my go-to GPU manufacturer. Others I know choose XFX because they give lifetime warranties for all of their cards. PNY/EVGA are the best imo
Obviously if you have the money, go with the 980 Ti SC+
 
980TI <3
I have the zotac AMP!
 
@RоryMcCune I bought a 950 SSC, it's fantastic and I got it on sale for $150
 
(admittedly cause it was the cheapest non reference one I could find)
 
(Yes SSC stands for Super Super Clocked)
@JourneymanGeek I had a fully passive Zotac 9500GT
 
4:03 AM
Had a crazy heatsync that wrapped around the whole card
 
IIRC the 9000 series used the same slightly defective chips as the 8000 series
I tended to go with asus
 
It was my first GPU, I got it at a landfill
@RоryMcCune Also them, Asus are another great GPU manufacturer
 
they do nice heatsinks ;p
very solid, not very loud
(and my original build was almost entirely asus for some wierd reason)
 
The GPU's I have had: 9500GT, 6870, 950GTX SSC
 
GF3ti200 (i think) gf4, 8800, 450 (passive cooled), 660, 980TI
 
4:06 AM
ow you bought a 980TI? Which one?
 
oh, and I KINDA had a matrox millenium II with my first ever build, but that's a 2d card, and a 8300 that came with my dumpster dived pc
but I had that for about a week before I ripped it out and went with integrated graphics
 
@DavidFreitag Need
 
can't afford...
oh wait, I can
can't justify...
 
4:11 AM
Nobody can afford one that's the point
I don't know what it is but damn it's pricey
 
> Dual Intel Xeon 12-core (24-cores total) 2.6 GHz (Upgradeable to 36-cores)
> 4x16 DDR4 ECC REG (64GB Total) 2133MHz (upgradeable to 1TB)
> 1 TB SSD and 4 TB 7200 RPM SSHD / Total Hard Drive Slots: 3.5" HDD or 2.5" HDD x 9+2.5" HDD x2 or 3.5" HDD x1
> RADEON 8GB R9 390 PCIe 3.0 (2 x DVI-D 1 x HDMI 1 x DisplayPort)
> Genuine Windows 10 Pro 64-bit, Mouse, Wireless keyboard, external card reader
tldr: rip-off
 
@MarkBuffalo Well yeah, it's a pre-built system, they're all rip-offs
 
@DavidFreitag I'd compare it with a dell precision workstation
which has more or less the same options
tho
 
@JourneymanGeek There's a dual CPU dell workstation?
 
4:17 AM
Really?
 
erf. Let me look it up. old workplaces uses them almost exclusively
 
I bet they're hideously expensive
 
ugh
I am getting thrown the indian web pages
 
Adblock ftw
 
pretty sure its cheaper than that
naw, its geoip stuff
 
4:19 AM
So stop using an Indian VPN
 
go look up the dell precision 7910 and 7810
naw, I'm currently in india
I think we were using the 7810s
 
They only appear to have a single hex core
 
erf
pretty sure we had 2x 10 core machines
remind me in 2 days if you still care ;p
 
pretty sure you're on drugs
oh wait
Yeah wow that's not bad at all
Well actually @RоryMcCune if you have the money, technically this is the top-est of the line 980 you can get:
 
sure, couple of grand if you want to trick it out for gaming, but the ram's probably cheaper elsewhere especially if you go entirely non ECC
and that quadro is no slouch
 
4:28 AM
I'm 99% sure @RоryMcCune isn't going to shell out $700-$800 USD on a GPU
@JourneymanGeek It is if you're gaming
 
yup
but you might be able to dump the GPU, maybe dump the ram on ebay for bigger sticks, add a SSD and it would probably be overkill for almost anything you throw at it
 
So I picked up a new skill... DevOps
 
YOU POOR FOOL
 
Why? :]
 
(actually I read the phoenix project this vacation)
 
4:43 AM
Did you install a toaster?
 
I like the idea, but it feels like everyone's got it wrong
I do like how they map the theory of constraints to IT management
 
@JourneymanGeek DevOps?
 
but they don't mush their dev and ops guys into one
they work together as part of a process.
@MarkBuffalo yes
 
Is there a pill that cures awkwardness?
 
I'm probably never going to be a great dev. Ops interests me, and I might be a decent one. That said, a lot of developers trying to do ops... convinces me they don't get ops at all
especially with the whole everything being in the cloud.
@DavidFreitag pill, no.
Take 2 shots and call her in the morning.
 
4:46 AM
@JourneymanGeek I can't walk around 24/7 half cocked
I'd never get anywhere
 
Sure you can.
 
Totally not feasible
 
Well, if you can do DevOps, you'll be able to have greater control over the quality and end-result of your projects
 
@MarkBuffalo What exactly is dev ops?
 
@MarkBuffalo I tend to think complimentary skillsets vs people who do many things, badly.
 
4:47 AM
@JourneymanGeek But after a long time of doing the Operations part, it comes easy to me
I used to do a lot of ops work, and now I'm in software development
 
@MarkBuffalo then its ok I suppose ;p
 
I also do QA/code reviews, and make sure bad shit isn't getting to production
 
Ok, fine, nobody explain it to me I didn't want to know anyway
 
@DavidFreitag programming/operations
 
I can probably just google it anyway
 
4:48 AM
and QA
 
@DavidFreitag "devops" is basically a new buzzword
 
Think of it like this: you aren't just programming, you're setting up testing environments, ensuring quality, etc
 
the idea is rather than having development and operations as seperate tasks, they need to communicate and work together
 
@JourneymanGeek I knew it was a buzzword because it makes my brain want to leak from my nose
 
ideally, you end up automating the shit out of everything and treating operations as code
 
4:49 AM
you also monitor your applications to find weak spots and increase performance
 
What exactly is operations?
 
you'll build, test, etc
 
Traditionally? Hardware, software installs, maintainance, deployment.
 
and you'll want to automate the deployment of these testing environments
@DavidFreitag tldr: you're already doing it
 
4:50 AM
So DevOps is developing, building, testing, and maintaining? Right...
 
@DavidFreitag that would be the software development portion
 
I still don't see how this is anything different from a developer's actual work
Yup still confused.
 
DevOps (a clipped compound of "development" and "operations") is a culture, movement or practice that emphasizes the collaboration and communication of both software developers and other information-technology (IT) professionals while automating the process of software delivery and infrastructure changes. It aims at establishing a culture and environment where building, testing, and releasing software, can happen rapidly, frequently, and more reliably. == Overview == In traditional, functionally separated organizations there is rarely cross-departmental integration of these functions wit...
> One goal of DevOps is to establish an environment where releasing more reliable applications faster and more frequently can occur. Release managers are beginning to utilize tools such as application release automation and continuous integration tools to help advance this goal, doing so through the Continuous Delivery approach.
 
@MarkBuffalo "a clipped compound" it's a portmanteau you numpty
 
@MarkBuffalo heh, I'm toying with getting some form of configuration management with my next personal hosting refresh.
 
4:52 AM
@DavidFreitag don't blame me, I didn't write the article :p
 
@MarkBuffalo So DevOps is less about developing products and more about developing tools to help developing products?
@MarkBuffalo I wasn't talking about you
 
@DavidFreitag yeah, it got managemented out.
 
@JourneymanGeek wut
 
@DavidFreitag the article.
its full of big words meaning nothing ;p
 
... what article...?
 
4:54 AM
the wikipedia article?
 
I think my brain went on vacation
 
It helps to develop rapid releases of large-scale enterprise software
sometimes you want multiple releases per day... or week, or month
some places are slower, some are faster
 
5:56 AM
what... what the flying f....
Wow.
 
@MarkBuffalo I thought you were going to bed.
 
yeah, I couldn't sleep. got up to browse imgur, and came across a potato-seppuku
time to buy this movie
 
6:14 AM
@MarkBuffalo Sigh. unzips
 
6:27 AM
drools uncontrollably ibreatheimhungry.com/2015/09/…
I'm all for a diet that encourages bacon-encrusted maple donuts.
 
7:27 AM
^ Love how buildroot defaults to MD5 for password encoding. THIS IS WHY WE CAN'T HAVE NICE THINGS
OK, OK. That's at build time, not during run time.
 
8:28 AM
mornings
 
'ning
 
mor'
 
morning
 
morning
 
that feel when you finally kill a dark souls boss that has killed you 63 times consecutively
 
8:43 AM
@DavidFreitag well i need a 970 or better to use with the Vive, but I've got a power budget restriction in that my power supply is a 550 Watt and I don't fancy upgrading it 'cause the cables aren't modular and it would be a pain to re-route everything...
@DavidFreitag so from having a look yesterday it seems that a 980 (non-TI) is the best I can do without risking going over that
 
@RоryMcCune Ok I need full specs. Mobo, ram, cpu psu, etc
@RоryMcCune Or, if you like, you can punch in all the relevant details here: outervision.com/power-supply-calculator
You can also mock add GPU's to see what you can support
 
yeah from that it reckons I could scrape a 980-TI but 980 non-TI seems like a safer bet...
from what @kalina was saying yesterday most 980's are much of a muchness
 
What is the difference between the two?
 
in terms of power consumption
 
Yeah the 980 is a fantastic card, getting a TI versus non will just attribute to future-proofing
 
8:48 AM
about 90 Watts
 
Honestly I would suggest getting a 980 TI and a decent 700W 80+ gold PSU
 
Anyone here know Cryptography and Encryption?
 
But any of the 980s will be more than enough
 
If you don't want to re-do existing cabling, you could also get a new motherboard, processor, case, drives and RAM, and just build a second computer
 
@Matthew hahaha
@RоryMcCune any target price in mind?
 
8:52 AM
I have actually ended up doing that before...
 
Morning everyone
 
@Matthew lols yeah
@DavidFreitag yeah I know but already the vive ain't cheap and any card ain't going to be cheap...
 
@RоryMcCune Heh yeah computer parts definitely ain't cheap..
 
@DavidFreitag not breaking the bank after buying a vive, but powerful enough that I don't wish I'd bought a better card almost immediately
it's all this gaming/early adopter stuff
 
@RоryMcCune You need to write some articles!
 
8:56 AM
@Matthew I totally should do that
I think we need something on Docker :)
 
Docker for security testers
 
@RоryMcCune that's about middle of the road for the 980s
 
@DavidFreitag looks good, ta :)
 
@RоryMcCune The only potential issue I can see is to make sure your psu has an 8 pin gpu power connector
if you have an older psu (which I assume) it might only have 6 pin ones
Wait, no I lied. The 2983 has 6 pins
 
@DavidFreitag ta I'll check that... I think it does but I'll have a look and see, PC ain't too old (Christmas 2014) so hopefully will be ok
 
9:01 AM
@RоryMcCune Well not that it matters (I was looking at a different card, the one I linked uses 6 pin connectors), but the 8 pin connectors are fairly new, as of like last year I think.
@RоryMcCune if you enter that card into the psu calculator, what is the recommended supply?
 
heya
@DavidFreitag isn't it 2x 8 pins?
 
@M'vy Yeah but it doesn't matter, the card I linked uses 6 pin ones
 
oh
 
I was reading from the list on the EVGA site and I read the entry for the card above
 
Adi
@DavidFreitag Do you know stuff about assembling a desktop PC?
 
9:08 AM
@Adi Yes, I have taken apart and assembled a few hundred PCs
Built two of my own
Spec'd out an absurd system for t'older @Rory
 
Adi
Cool. Soon I'll be building 2nd ever.
My first was 12 years ago
 
@DavidFreitag And it rocks!
 
Adi
so I know nothing about what's out there
 
Adi
Would it be okay if I ask you a few questions later on?
 
9:09 AM
@Adi Well let me know if you would like some part recommendations
 
Damn how many different 980 models do they have?
 
blog - with some of my gotchas as well, as I hadn't built one for a while and got caught out a wee bit
 
@M'vy 11
Then there are the 980 TI's
 
geez
 
@Adi Sure, I always enjoy theory crafting computer builds
@M'vy You know what the saddest part is? They are all physically exactly the same
 
9:11 AM
@DavidFreitag for the 980 (just seems general) they're recommending 435 with the rest of my kit, so should be cool :)
 
Well, some have a different coat of paint and slightly different fan setups, but the actual computing bits are exactly the same
 
Adi
@RoryAlsop I'll make sure to read that before I start
 
@RоryMcCune Yeah ~100W of headroom is ok
@Adi Keep in mind that a custom build PC isn't always that easy to set up. @RoryAlsop had some (quite odd) issues during his setup. I tried to help when I could but timezone differences made things interesting.
 
@DavidFreitag many of them did come down to David knowing how newer hardware was supposed to work, and me knowing ...older... kit, so our assumptions were not exactly the same.
So I was a bit of a PITA for David for those few days I think
 
Yeah there were a few moments where I sat there scratching my head
 
9:15 AM
These sort of things may hit @Adi too
 
Well I think his lack of experience will lead to less false assumptions
 
We were having fun in the office the other day with an M2 SSD. Apparently, they have different form factors within that...
 
@DavidFreitag probably true :-)
@Matthew The mere existence of M2 confused me enough...
 
@Matthew Yes there are I think four different sizes of M2
 
@Matthew yeah I almost got tripped up with that, there's longer ones and shorter ones and only some fit in certain laptops
 
9:17 AM
@DavidFreitag Yeah, and some of them share sizes, but have different cutouts
 
@Matthew Yup and some M2 drives are liars and only use SATA instead of PCIE + SATA
'dat 2560 MB/s doe
 
We opened up a few different laptops finding one with the right slot, then spent ages going through live boot environments looking for one that supported it
Lack of CD drive is good for weight, but a bugger when it comes to live booting!
 
Yup. Everyone I know says CD drives are a thing of the past. I always say they're going to regret it, but what do I know... ;]
Especially when you can get a really nice ASUS drive for like $17
 
@DavidFreitag Laptop compatible one?
 
@Matthew Nah standard PC one. Laptops I just get a USB 3.0 one
 
9:31 AM
@DavidFreitag You're up? :O
isn't it like 5 am there?
in The Pod Bay, 42 mins ago, by TildalWave
ESA's ExoMars Trace Gas Orbiter + Schiaparelli lander launch live http://livestream.com/ESA/exomars
 
@TildalWave still no sleeping
 
should launch now any second
 
@TildalWave kaplow?
 
looks fine so far, I guess
 
has it already launched?
 
9:37 AM
yup, 116 km up now
 
that looked lovely. I liked the close up on the rockets at the moment of launch
 
ah balls
missed it a few seconds
by a *
 
rewind ;)
 
you can watch the catch up - @Tildal's link has the launch video a bit further down the page
oh yeah - or rewind :-)
 
but its not the same e_e
why can we not send someone to mar already
they need to man up and go
 
9:39 AM
@silverpenguin Wanna volunteer?
 
@silverpenguin it kinda is. Everything we ever see happens in the past - what's wrong with a couple more minutes in the past
@silverpenguin too many have. They are being selected to reduce numbers :-)
@Matthew lol
 
Personally, I'd kind of like to get something to Mars and back without it breaking, before trying humans, but I'm a cautious type...
 
@Matthew yeah - seems like a good step. Unless folks want to just stay there, and colonise that freezing, oxygen-less planet
 
@Matthew man il go, send me with enough canned beans and meat, a few chickens and a atmosphere tent / green house... and obviously enough water to survive for me and my chickens... then il go
 
yeah even for that we're not really ready technologically speaking
 
9:42 AM
maybe a some dogs.... for company
 
@silverpenguin Have you read The Martian?
 
@Matthew I have not actually, it any good?\
 
@silverpenguin Yes, well worth a read. I've not seen the film, but I'm told it's quite good too
 
@silverpenguin better than the film
 
don't you guys have work to do :p?
 
9:45 AM
there's also that little problem of planetary protection and legality when it comes to such schemes as MarsOne, just because it's a private venture doesn't mean they can just neglect OST
 
@HamZa working right now :-)
 
@HamZa im a developer.. Im paid the most amount of money for the least amount of work, same as every developer
 
yeah we're all working, what are you talking about? :O :D
 
are you not working @HamZa?
tut tut :-)
 
@HamZa get a job you hippy
 
9:46 AM
@RoryAlsop I'm an intern hahaha
 
@HamZa doesn't that mean you have to work really hard?
 
I'm working - I'm doing research into online chat rooms for hackers
 
Need to finish my studies first :-)
In the mean time I still have that part time job
 
@Matthew how is that going have those fools accepted you as one of their own yet... I cant wait to see their faces when they find out you are spy
 
@RoryAlsop This company is super chill :D
 
9:47 AM
@silverpenguin I've met a few of them in person!
 
it's super chill on Mars too :)
 
hahaha
 
@Matthew D: really :o I forget what you do btw? and @TildalWave I honestly really wana go to mars e_e I can be their computer guy, I can do networking and shit
 
@silverpenguin I work with @RоryMcCune and another few hundred security testers on testing all the things
 
@silverpenguin no you don't
 
9:50 AM
@TildalWave 6am, actually
@TildalWave How long would it take someone to freeze to death on mars?
 
@DavidFreitag first you'd die in about 10 seconds then you'd freeze in about a couple minutes on the surface, hours for all of you to freeze solid
 
@Matthew I am applying to work there e_e
yes i know where u work
e_e
 
kinda also depends if it's day or night and other things
 
@TildalWave So assuming Mars had a breathable atmosphere in the right pressure, 10 minutes?
 
altitude, longitude,...
 
9:54 AM
licks @Matthew soon my love
 
@TildalWave ballpark
 
I just need to send through my C.V but i have been busy and i obviously cant amend my C.V. while at work, thats just rude
 
What the? What are the requirements to work in the sec sector?
 
@HamZa same as any job be really good at **** **** (self censor)
 
@DavidFreitag ah that dunno, it would also change its temperature then ... assume about -65 C
for global equilibrium temperature at Martian mean distance to the Sun
 
9:56 AM
@silverpenguin Oh dear... sends a copy of this to HR :-P
 
@TildalWave Assume that the atmosphere doesn't affect the calculations
 
@Matthew it will either help me or hinder me :P
 
@silverpenguin euhm I'm not applying for an actor's position :P
 
@DavidFreitag that doesn't make any sense then :P
if you're standing up your head will freeze faster than your feet tho
 
@TildalWave Fine, assume I'm human but I can breath in Mars's current atmosphere
 
9:57 AM
@Matthew but i would be south allocated if they even considered me
 
@DavidFreitag I already answered that then LOL
 
i should really do my c.v. tonight its been a week... but my C.V need so much work
 
@TildalWave So 10 minutes?
 
@silverpenguin just send your stack careers cv haha
 
@DavidFreitag yeah about but you'll be long dead by then... 10 minutes is probably enough so you'd be as stiff as if rigor mortis set in
 

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