The DMZ

Let me make my logic here. You can't use a phone held in hand. You can't have any device on your ears that produces sound (except medical ones). So if I plug my phone in my AUXilliary channel, and put it on the passenger seat, I should be using it in a legal manner :)

Or I would need a prescription and buy bluetooth medical earpieces :)

raz

@M'vy That's how I interpret the law

As long as you plug your phone in your AUX and place it on the passenger seat before you start the car.

Iszi

@M'vy Nah, here's what you need.

Xander

@M'vy This begs the question...How can they tell? If you're using your car's integrated Bluetooth so the sound comes through the speakers rather than an earpiece, or even your phone's speakerphone feature, how would they ever be able to prove that you were on the phone?

Simon

@Iszi Man, you must definitely be drowning in pink when you're wearing those.

Amelia

2:28 PM

I HAVE ME SOME MIGHTY RUMBLIES

@AviD GET BACK HERE

raz

@Xander More often than not it's a secondary offense. Meaning they normally don't pull you over for it, but if you get pulled over for speeding AND you're not using handsfree in a legal manor they can add to the fine.

Simon

@AviD Yeah get back here, deal with the crazy gurl that you've brought back.

M'vy

@Xander That's wearing the earpiece, or holding the phone in hand that's forbidden

Not having the phone conversation in fact

Iszi

@Amelia Did I miss something? Are you saying you're hungry, or are "rumblies" some sort of code-word for wanting to kill someone (and/or kittens)?

Simon

oszi pls

Yeah good edit.

Iszi

2:35 PM

@M'vy Hm. This article even says it's legal to drive with those (assuming U.S. localization, probably). cnn.com/2014/05/29/tech/innovation/bone-conduction-get-used

Xander

@Iszi In the U.S., it's still legal to hold your phone to your head in most states. Last time I checked anyway, there were only a handful of states that actually prohibited any kind of cell phone use.

etherealflux

My home directory contains the files "why", "why2", "pls", "plsgrep", and "hacker" (as well as a "hack" directory). I think it's time to re-evaluate my life

schroeder

hmm - I keep gaining downvotes in the Primary ... I'm sure if I had some kind of campaign manager, we'd be doing polling to figure that out ...

but since I'm on vacation, it will have to remain a mystery

etherealflux

@schroeder have you tried calling your opponents communists?

Amelia

@schroeder have you tried changing your name to Donald Trump to see if that increases the downvote rate?

3

@Iszi Llamas with Hats reference

schroeder

2:42 PM

@Amelia meh - I don't have the hair for it

M'vy

+227 / -17 / 0.930 / 0.0697

schroeder

@M'vy yeah - I got 1 downvote within the past 12 hours

At least I trigger lively debate? I'm not sure what to make of it.

new campaign slogan: "He participates even on vacation!"

Xander

@schroeder Mine are in double-digits now too.

etherealflux

I have no downvotes!

and no upvotes

and I'm not participating

but let's be real here - 0% downvote rate

schroeder

@Xander I thought you have had 10 since the first day

it makes sense to have downvotes on the first day as everyone starts a trend, but I keep gaining...

Thomas Pornin

2:51 PM

@Simon Stephen, not Steven.

Lucas Kauffman

@schroeder NOBODY LIKES YOU

Simon

@ThomasPornin Blame the media.

Lucas Kauffman

mine are also in double digits

still higher than @Simon

Simon

@LucasKauffman You suck.

etherealflux

Base 10 or base 6296?

Lucas Kauffman

2:52 PM

@Simon so does your mom

Simon

@LucasKauffman So does yours.

Amelia

@LucasKauffman I look forward to seeing the meat dragon in my inbox

2

Lucas Kauffman

@Simon It's on bitch :o

etherealflux

lolol

Simon

@@@

etherealflux

2:53 PM

@etherealflux it's on mate

Lucas Kauffman

@Amelia this is wrong in many ways

etherealflux

@etherealflux let's go right now

Amelia

@LucasKauffman I CALL IT ART

Lucas Kauffman

@Amelia Romance between a llama and Santa's little girl

how can it ever work?

Simon

Dayum, dis gurl cray.

Lucas Kauffman

2:56 PM

@Simon GO SNORT SOME POWDERSUGAR

Simon

AAAAWWWWW YUUUUUUH

etherealflux

@LucasKauffman Coming to theaters this Christmas, a heartwarming tale about forbidden love...

and also transformers

Iszi

@Xander I'm not sure if "most" still applies - pretty certain the list of states where it's illegal has been growing steadily over the past few years.

Xander

@schroeder No, I don't think so. I only saw one on day one, and it's slowly been increasing.

Simon

@etherealflux If you keep going, I'm gonna have to declare a general donut alert.

Xander

3:05 PM

@Iszi Perhaps. Only number I can find is 14 states ban handheld phones outright.

etherealflux

@Simon please donut do that

Lucas Kauffman

I wonder who will become one of the most powerful people in the world next year

Simon

@etherealflux ffs

Scumbag PHP coder: "I used PDO, as well as sqli".

Posts his code: $sql="SELECT * FROM $tbl_name WHERE id='$id'";

etherealflux

good!

wait, the opposite of that

Simon

Also, is his id a string?

ô_ô

etherealflux

3:14 PM

the select * is the icing on top

Amelia

@Simon the entire PHP wants to kill most of the PHP community because none of them have ever red more than a page of tutorials.

Simon

@Amelia Or bothered reading OWASP.

etherealflux

@Simon but attackers would never want to bother with us!

Amelia

@Simon Most of OWASP's examples are bullshit in a well-designed app. Then again, a well-designed app has actual smart people writing it.

"Yeah sure lemme just copy-paste this precedural code into an object-oriented framework, hurr"

Simon

@Amelia Or if people were using a framework like Symfony2, most security is built in.

@Amelia lulz

Amelia

3:17 PM

@Simon eh, debatable.

I have seen people fuck up a so-called "Secure" framework in spectacular ways

schroeder

@LucasKauffman I can live with that :)

Amelia

sometimes I have actually congratulated them on their fuck-ups

Simon

@Amelia Well yes, a dumbass is a dumbass, whatever tool you give him he'll find a way to be a dumbass.

Lucas Kauffman

etherealflux

@Amelia "It's secure, so I can't go wrong!"

5 minutes later

Simon

3:18 PM

@LucasKauffman lulz

etherealflux

everything is on fire

Iszi

@Xander Interesting. This list has 14 states, plus Guam, Puerto Rico, and D.C., where cell phones are banned. However, none are noted to restrict cell phone use to hands-free only.

Restrictions on cell phone use while driving in the United States

Regulatory laws in the United States have placed numerous restrictions on cell phone use by drivers. Individual States have jurisdictional discretion over the use of cell phones and other handheld devices used by drivers on their roads. Many of the resultant laws target novice drivers, while others focus on the use of handsfree devices. The enforcement of the regulations vary widely in degree from state to state, from significant to none; from primary to secondary violations. == Regulatory laws == The laws regulating driving (or distracted driving) may be subject to primary enforcement or secondary...

Lucas Kauffman

The US is always behind with rules

except when they're completely ridiculous, then they're front runners

etherealflux

@Lucas can you speak up? i'm having trouble hearing you over all these eagles and freedom

5

Lucas Kauffman

@etherealflux maybe you've got some oil in your ears

Simon

3:21 PM

rofl

etherealflux

@Lucas

whoops

uh

freedom

[smoke bomb]

Amelia

@etherealflux bald eagles don't sound like you think they do

Lucas Kauffman

do you guys know why crows are hit more often by trucks and almost never by cars?

because when they warn eachother all they can say is KAAAAAAH KAAAAAAH

badum tssssh

Amelia

@LucasKauffman can I kick you for that yet

Or would that be abuse

Simon

The DMZ loves abuse anyway.

3

Amelia

3:23 PM

Lol

Iszi

@Simon Just like your mom.

Amelia

A wild @jrg appears

Simon

@Iszi pls

Also, that'd be kind of mean if my mom would have had been abused.

jrg

@Amelia I appear.

I felt a disturbance in the 'net.

Amelia

My work here is done.

Simon

3:25 PM

@Amelia I think I've earned this badge in 1964.

Lucas Kauffman

RAISE YOUR HANDS UP, ONE TWO THREE JUMP!

Amelia

@Simon That would mean people actually starred your stuff

:3

Simon

@Amelia If only you knew, if only.

Lucas Kauffman

Dimitri Vegas & Like Mike - Bringing The World The Madness (FULL HD 2 HOUR LIVESET)

►

Simon

pls no lucas

Lucas Kauffman

3:27 PM

pls simun

if u wer spidermun I talk abut ur uncle ben

:OOOOO

@simon knock knock

whos der

not uncle ben.

QQ

3:29 PM

IIIIIIIIIII LOOOOOSEEE MYSEEEEELF TONIIIIIIIIGHT

Thomas Pornin

I received a spam that begins with "Hello, $%" and then proceeds to try to sell me some "target email marketing solutions".

5

Lucas Kauffman

@ThomasPornin hahaha

Simon

I had uninterpreted PHP on my gas receipt once.

etherealflux

@Simon ......how?

Simon

@etherealflux Let me take a wild guess: the software that was printing the receipt was using PHP to generate it and somehow crashed.

etherealflux

3:34 PM

but that's like using C to do object-oriented development

Simon

@etherealflux When you have a hammer, all your problems are nails.

raz

@ThomasPornin Dude I knew you had another alias! This Thomas Pornin name was too fishy.

Simon

@raz One day, I'm gonna drive to his place to validate him.

raz

@Simon Give him a certificate signed by a donut?

Simon

@raz Om nom.

Lucas Kauffman

3:39 PM

CUCKOOOOOOOO

Thomas Pornin

@etherealflux I have done that. It kind of works.

Amelia

3:51 PM

@Simon lol

Simon

@Amelia pls stop flirting with me

Amelia

...

Simon

LOL

I miss @Flyk, at least she wouldn't flirt with me.

Amelia

@Simon I will force you to read the source code to a medical application written in PHP, with codeigniter 2.

Simon

Hey, that's cool 'cause there's a project that I'll be working on that uses codeigniter and I haven't done any.

Amelia

3:55 PM

@Simon codeigniter is the worst piece of PHP code ever written, and I've seen phpMyAdmin (aka pleaseCrackMyDatabase)

Simon

Haha.

M'vy

@Amelia the required documentation for medical device product would be better punishment IMO

Amelia

@M'vy I have a link to it on my resume

Simon

They claim to be fastest PHP framework though and that's true even though it's badly written?

Amelia

Care to read it?

@Simon nope

They are very slow

Simon

3:55 PM

wtf

Amelia

Controllers + dispatching take longer than zend framework

Simon

-.-

Amelia

and ZF2 is already at the bottom of the slowpoke pile

Everything being fetched via a service-locator pattern is shit, too

I want that pattern to go away and die in a hole

Simon

I remember reading in the doc "we challenge you to find a faster framework" or something.

I'll have to hunt it down.

M'vy

@Amelia what your resume? or the code?

Amelia

3:57 PM

Inversion of Control > Service Locator

@M'vy No, I literally linked the medical documentation in my resume

etherealflux

oh god, medical documentation

M'vy

@Amelia really?

etherealflux

rev up your legalese

Amelia

I should change it to "Actually somehow managed to implement [this]:"

Simon

"CodeIgniter is Fast

Really fast. We challenge you to find a framework that has better performance than CodeIgniter."

codeigniter.com/userguide2/overview/at_a_glance.html

Amelia

3:58 PM

@Simon Lumen, Slim 3

M'vy

@Amelia We have tons of them here. With the tests and all

Amelia

Done

Simon

@Amelia I already hate it then, sigh.

Amelia

Also, performance is a terrible indicator of a framework's usefulness

etherealflux

@Simon A framework that displays a single static webpage

the ultimate in lean performance

Amelia

3:59 PM

It might be fast, but if I can't write well-tested code in it it's useless

Simon

mhm

Amelia

If a framework is useful but slow, you can easily use some bloody caching to help

dev time is several billion orders of magnitude more important than your app being 2ms faster

Rоry McCune

which is why rails rules :)

Amelia

@RоryMcCune thin ice.

hiss

Rоry McCune

Ruby ruby ruby :)

Amelia

4:00 PM

AAAHHHHHHHHH AHHHH

Simon

Ruby looks cool because of its name.

Rоry McCune

bit old school now I'll grant you , really Volt is where it's at

Amelia

@Simon Foo.bar! :blah, "#{derp[baz]}", do |x| :blah => Foo.bar? done

I have no idea if that's actually valid ruby syntax and neither does the interpreter.

(Also my chat is entirely using a fixed-width font, so nobackticks4u)

chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/porkchat/…

etherealflux

Ruby is like a rich, inattentive parent. It buys you cool stuff and lets you get away with things other parents wouldn't, but it also doesn't care if you start trying to stick a fork in an outlet.

Amelia

@etherealflux Hey, all the cool hipsters are doing it and only a couple have died so far. Why not?

Simon

4:06 PM

@Amelia I don't think @AviD is doing it.

Amelia

@Simon but @AviD hates fun and Hats and Llamas

Rоry McCune

@Amelia well most of the hipsters are on Go now...

Amelia

@RоryMcCune give it 4 more years and ruby might be a usable language, then

Rоry McCune

@Amelia hey ruby is a very nice language, either for small stuff where it doesn't get too complex or with a robust TDD/BDD approach to make up for it's challenges :)

etherealflux

4:25 PM

I'm liking it, although the magic can get a bit confusing

Xander

@Amelia You should have been here when @Simon would say "YOLO" and immediately be kicked by three different mods.

Simon

That was before they started to embrace the #yolo.

Iszi

@Xander They should kick you just for quoting @Simon right there.

Rоry McCune

@Xander aha, your real motivation for mod-hood revealed, you want to be the fourth mod to kick @Simon for #Yoloage

Iszi

@Simon Hey @Amelia! Looks like you get to play after all! Go ahead, give it a try!

Xander

4:31 PM

@RоryMcCune Well, it certainly wouldn't be negative.

Iszi

@RоryMcCune I'd certainly call that a fringe benefit.

Simon

I haven't been kicked/flagged in a very long time.

Iszi

@Simon Someone does indeed need to rectify that. I should have made it a campaign promise.

Simon

pls

Rоry McCune

@Simon tempting fate there, but I don't think there's any mods around to do it (or can mods of other sites do that here too?)

Simon

4:35 PM

shrugs

Iszi

@RоryMcCune Mods from other sites have full power in all chat rooms - at least normal ones like this one.

Rоry McCune

well unlike the other day when I was the only non-blue in the room, it looks like we have only one person who's ascended to mod-hood here at the moment

Iszi

So @Amelia @jrg @CodesInChaos @JourneymanGeek @Gilles @TildalWave can all do it.

Rоry McCune

@Iszi think most of those are 'idlin at the mo'

Rory Alsop

@LucasKauffman Nope - I can see the pyro and lights are cool, but I still don't get going to watch some guys/gals twiddle some knobs on a console...

Iszi

4:38 PM

@RoryAlsop Hehe. "Twiddle".

Lucas Kauffman

@RoryAlsop It's not twiddling, you know how much work it takes to press play on a computer and then pretend you are twiddling?

Rоry McCune

@RoryAlsop @LucasKauffman youse two are lucky that @Flyk isn't about today

Rory Alsop

hahahaha

Ohh - the new Joe Satriani album is awesome. It just arrived this afternoon - and I'm hooked already

Joe Satriani - Shockwave Supernova (Audio)

►

Gilles

4:58 PM

@Iszi do what? AviD's mom?

Simon

Dayum Guigui.

@Gilles What do you do for a living?

Gilles

@Simon try reading my profile

(no, I don't try reading my profile for a living)

Simon

It doesn't state specifically "I do X at Y".

What if you actually did Z at A?

Gilles

@Simon then go read my Linkedin profile

Simon

Oh, you have a last name?

Gilles

5:02 PM

my parents think so

Simon

I didn't think so.

lulz

sacré guigui

Iszi

5:20 PM

@Gilles No, kick @Simon. He's been asking for it.

Simon

His name is Guigui.

Xander

@Simon His name is "Gilles" and lives in France. What more do you need? How hard can it be?

Simon

@Xander Already training to be a mod as mean as @AviD?

Xander

@Simon Nonsense. I'm more the Rory-type.

Simon

His name is roro.

OH MY GOD I GOT AN UPVOTE

ON ONE OF MY QUESTIONS

Rory Alsop

5:56 PM

@Gilles Heh - I like the way your profile just says you are "active" on U&L :-)

Yeah - just a wee bit

@Xander More of Rory-type mods :-)

etherealflux

6:15 PM

@Simon Police are en route

Simon

@etherealflux Oh what now, you're French?

etherealflux

@Simon no, they're here to bust your illegal getting-upvoted ring

David Freitag

@Simon "en route" is one of the few french sayings that are used quite frequently here in the US. Although if you ask anyone where it comes from or what it means, you usually get answered, "Uhhh is it greek?"

Simon

@DavidFreitag Silly Americanos.

David Freitag

@Simon It is a common prank to warn the community about the dangers of dihydrogen monoxide. Usually in the center of a largely populated mall.

Simon

6:19 PM

wat

etherealflux

DHMO is a killer

it causes billions of dollars in property damage and thousands of deaths per year

it's a key ingredient in most poisons

it's what makes it possible for drug abuse to occur

Simon

Thanks mini pornin

David Freitag

@Simon It kills millions each year.

etherealflux

it's a powerful solvent and can dissolve solid rock

David Freitag

Occasionally you will get people from the public to join in your pursuit to purge every last drop of dihydrogen monoxide from the face of the earth.

etherealflux

6:21 PM

it has an extremely high dipole moment

and contributes to global warming

Simon

Either this beer has something in it that I'm not aware of or you lads are insane.

Oh yes, and I get to drink beer on Friday afternoons at my new job.

etherealflux

it's a reduced form of oxygen

which cannot be breathed

David Freitag

@Simon It's a joke, most people have no idea chemistry even exists, let alone the fact that dihydrogen monoxide is actually water. So when you call it by it's actual name people who have no idea go, "Oh, hmm, that does sound dangerous!"

etherealflux

H2woah

Simon

nurdz

etherealflux

6:23 PM

aaanyways, let's discuss complex NMR interpretation

as you know, atoms can be shielded or deshielded by other atoms located far away in the structure but close by spatially...

Simon

@etherealflux Did that ever help you to get laid?

David Freitag

@Simon During my public speaking class, I did a speech on dihydrogen monoxide, and how it kills millions per year. After class half of the people I gave the speech to were like, "Ohmygawd how do I donate to your cause?!"

Simon

@DavidFreitag lulz

David Freitag

@Simon I laughed and walked away.

etherealflux

@Simon definitely

"eyy bby, u want sum NMR shimming?"

Simon

6:27 PM

Sounds probable.

etherealflux

more probable than visual studio starting up before I graduate from college

Simon

haha

That's what you get for Windowsing.

etherealflux

Convince lab software makers to get off of Windows

rip

David Freitag

@etherealflux The college I used to go to used some sort of deep freeze software that would reimage every machine in the school at 4am

Which, of course, meant that each time you wanted to start VS it was a "first time startup" and took no less than fifteen minutes.

Simon

@DavidFreitag You couldn't keep a user profile?

David Freitag

6:32 PM

@Simon They used roaming profiles

Simon

And that doesn't help you out with VS?

David Freitag

Since any class you had you might log in from any one of the hundred or so labs in the school.

@Simon No, VS stores no information on your profile

Simon

Oh.

I could have sworn that it worked that way but I'm probably insane, it's been a while.

David Freitag

The only thing your 'profile' provides, is a means to authenticate yourself.

You don't even get your own private storage.

Simon

ew

etherealflux

6:34 PM

still beats using vim

yeah, I just said it

come at me

David Freitag

You better not let @Terry or @Thomas hear you say that.

@etherealflux Be glad that you do not need to use Atmel Studio. That is a custom version of VS 2010.

etherealflux

f o r w h a t p u r p o s e

David Freitag

Programming microcontrollers

Simon

@etherealflux Oh yeah son, dovid just outnurded you, how does that feel?

etherealflux

microcontrollers are easy

bit bit byte beep boop

and uh

silicon

Simon

6:39 PM

hah

etherealflux

I kind of want to get into microcontrollers

Simon

As opposed to get into women?

David Freitag

@etherealflux It's a lot of fun.

etherealflux

@Simon Why not both?

Simon

@etherealflux No can do.

David Freitag

6:40 PM

@Simon At least my microcontroller won't cheat on me.

Simon

@DavidFreitag You do raise a very good point.

David Freitag

I wish sailor twift would make a song about how microcontrollers won't cheat on her.

etherealflux

guys, I heard Taylor Swift held the door open for someone and they said "thanks"

new breakup album coming out this weekend

David Freitag

@etherealflux I would recommend something like this for your first foray. amazon.com/Arduino-Ultimate-Starter-page-Instruction/dp/…

etherealflux

@DavidFreitag I have a Raspberry Pi right now (gift from another computer person in the family), but I do want to check out some lower level stuff

Ideally something that can control excessive amounts of LED lights

David Freitag

6:45 PM

Be sure to get a legit Arduino, not one of the one hung low cheepies.

etherealflux

Ardon'to

David Freitag

@etherealflux Arduino is bare metal, and the library support is awesome.

I started there and now I work with embedded linux at work.

etherealflux

should do

embedded windows 8

David Freitag

@etherealflux Not exactly the same as bare metal

etherealflux

@DavidFreitag Rusty metal, maybe

that gives you tetanus and Internet Explorer

David Freitag

6:48 PM

@etherealflux Silicone does not rust, especially when it is encased in epoxy.

@etherealflux I'd rather have tetanus

And rickets, and scurvy.

etherealflux

Silicon, you mean? (:

David Freitag

If you want something with a bit more power, but a slightly steeper learning curve, you can go for one of these amazon.com/SparkFun-Teensy-3-1/dp/B00NC42Y64/…

They overclock it to 96MHz

As opposed to the 16MHz of the stock Arduino UNO

@etherealflux Yes, yes...

etherealflux

I'm interested in writing something to search my email inbox for alerts from Ingress, then to parse them into something I can flash on a strip of LEDs

Ruby -> Arduino -> explosion

David Freitag

@etherealflux You could also get an ethernet or wifi shield and do a twitter feed

instructables.com/id/Displaying-Twitter-feed-without-a-PC

etherealflux

that'd be interesting as well

one of my friends is setting something up to read health/mana values from League of Legends and adjust the colors/brightness of LEDs behind his monitor

David Freitag

6:55 PM

An ESP8266 module will go a very long way. You can setup an embedded web server on a microcontroller with 32k of flash memory and 8k of ram.

etherealflux

League of Losers aside, it sounds neat

(:

David Freitag

Also, the ENC28J60 is a really powerful 10Mb/s ethernet chip that is fully compatible with the arduino.

$7 for an ethernet module amazon.com/ENC28J60-Ethernet-Network-Module-STM32/dp/B008B4QIV2/…

Same for a wifi module amazon.com/sunkee-ESP8266-Wireless-Transceiver-Receive/dp/…

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