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12:15 AM
@Simon Not particularly sure about django but there is usually a .format() option that allows you to specify the format you want on most date types.
@deed02392 @Simon str() calls the __str__() function on each object. You can override this method to return whatever you want for your own classes.
In Python 2, there wasn't a clear distinction between binary strings and unicode strings, Python 3 made that distinction clear. str in Python 2 is essentially bytes in Python 3.
 
12:35 AM
@TerryChia Alright, thanks. I went for unicode since I'm using Python 2 and used strftime('%Y-%m-%d') to return the format I wanted.
 
@Simon If you want a better way of dealing with dates and times I strongly recommend the arrow package.
Much nicer that the stdlib.
 
@TerryChia I'll check that out because it does seem to be a cluster fuck with the default functions.
 
 
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2:49 AM
@Simon FWIW I'm not the right guy to ask for Django questions. I mainly use Flask.
 
3:32 AM
@TerryChia You were able to answer my question anyway :p
 
 
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5:33 AM
 
6:17 AM
Yeah... XKCD is messing with my efficienty again!
 
6:45 AM
turtles are the new time?
 
7:26 AM
@Gilles No... Birds as well
And MU
 
Oooooh - that's a good xkcd. I've been zooming for ages
 
I think it has an end ... Either an end, or a glitch that ends it forcefully.
 
I get large slowdowns when a new level is loaded...
So I didn't go beyond level 100 or so...
 
7:45 AM
Chrome bombed out (scrolling still worked but not zooming in or out) after a dozen levels or so
I'll wait for explainxkcd
 
Not loading at all in Firefox
 
@Gilles It slowed down my machine so much I had to ditch out of various things, including my Citrix session from work... :-)
 
8:33 AM
jesus christ superstar. Seriously? 2 dozen pings?
what the hell is the matter with this room?
@Gilles they have only about 20 or so of the images. I also got bored with too much scrolling.
@RoryAlsop well sure, at least youve got your priorities in order.
 
@AviD you're right... it should have been more, sorry
 
@RоryMcCune well now I dont feel bad for spamming you all with my livetweeting.
 
@AviD I take it all went well?
 
oh yeah.
 
cool :)
 
8:36 AM
dont have the final numbers, but estimates are between 460 and 500 people.
talks I was in were great (especially mine), I was told the other track was even better.
 
@AviD nice! yeah looked, from the tweets, like you had some cool stuff going on..
 
seriously, the other room was so packed beyond standing-room-only, there were literally people standing by the window outside.
 
wow!
 
I will link you when the presos go online...
I assume the videos wont be of much use, as most of them were in hebrew
 
@AviD yeah that'd be good
@AviD might slow my understanding down, just a bit
 
8:39 AM
just a bit
 
@AviD that's brilliant
 
hehe, I do have to say that some of those gratuitous avid-pings are actually quite funny
 
@AviD we aim to pleasure
 
@RoryAlsop cheers. You should have seen my talk though, THAT was brilliant ;-)
 
@AviD Not very humble are we?
 
8:43 AM
actually I think I did enjoy my talk the most - and I dont even enjoy talking in public.
@TerryChia heh. Well I do speak in the format that I best like to hear. So somehow I manage to hit the target of what I enjoy.
I am my own target audience.
maybe thats why I kicked the stage fright...
 
@AviD but is it translatable for us poor folks who can't understand 'brew
 
@RoryAlsop well I started off by naming some of the password loss incidents. "... but I dont blame those victims. I BLAME YOU!! "
 
heh heh heh
 
went from there. being a cranky old counterculture neckbeard
 
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Didn't work out as I expected
 
8:53 AM
@AviD hey hey, cranky old HIPSTER counterculture neckbeard
 
@Adnan I don't get it
 
@RoryAlsop Found it on Reddit
Apparently, there's some link, you're happy when you click it, and then upset afterwards
It was about some subreddit showing dead girls
 
@Adnan I must be getting old - I'm trying to see how those look like happy and sad pics. I sort of see the sad one, but the bit on the left doesn't look happy, or even like a face to me, no matter how much I squinch up my face
 
@RоryMcCune yeah, nothing more hipster than demanding people actually think about the risk they are trying to mitigate
supposedly
 
@AviD thinking about risk... crazy talk
 
8:56 AM
inorite?
I definitely upset some people.
which is good, I wanted to get people mad.
 
@AviD it's never a good talk if no-one's unhappy!
 
thats my motto.
especially considering my whole talk was about challenging "conventional wisdom"
so, outlook users, tell me. Is there really any reason I am still using PSTs for archives?
I feel like with the current amount of storage from email providers, I should just go back to leaving it online, and have however many dozens of folders there.
 
@AviD yeah no real reason apart from not leaving all your historical data in a online archive with the risks that carries. As against that things a super easy to search etc using online for all data..
 
@RоryMcCune yeah, but once it was there its not really gone...
What happens online stays online.
I suppose the really secret stuff - and incriminating - it does make sense to remove, but not much else.
now I have to figure out how to get all my psts back online.......
 
@AviD to an extent I'm sure you're right (depending on the service and person that wants the data) but with some definitely (e.g. dropbox) after it's deleted in the UI it only lasts a finite amount of time on their systems (presumably due to disk space requirements...)
 
9:10 AM
@RоryMcCune puhhleeze. backups? legal requirements? Court orders?
police raids?
 
@AviD well they don't have infinite disk space, there's no way they're doing traditional backups of the volume they have. Not sure what legal requirements there are to store it. Court orders well yeah if they have it and are ordered to retain it they will, if it's already gone they can't :)
 
@RоryMcCune most companies would just be eaiser to provide it, than to prove LEGALLY that they dont have it
then again IANAL
also, I'm not a lawyer. #Simon.
 
@AviD true but seriously in practice there must be a limit on retention for people like Dropbox, they have petabytes of stuff and retaining everything that users have deleted indefinitely seems improbable
 
actually, considering human nature, the deleted stuff is probably a small percentage of the storage each user consumes.
not to mention that most users do not use their entire granted capacaity.
 
true (which is why MS can safely offer everyone 1TB of space) for hard deletes but what about file versions (i.e. overwrites...)
 
9:15 AM
@RоryMcCune well yeah, and some providers keep old versions too. Depending on files, they could just do deltas...
 
9:49 AM
@AviD looks like I've got a decent chance to do "rant" talk coming up. Got asked to present at a conf. on the topic of "context"
 
10:03 AM
@RоryMcCune ooo thats practically begging for it
 
@AviD I know, it's like a topic for the whole conf. but could hardly have been chosen better for a good rant.
 
10:17 AM
@AviD for a lot of users, they're just used to it, and expect to need to read emails offline
of course these days, that's crazy talk
 
well there is still offline caching.
besides I dont care about "lot of users", I am asking for me.
and it might happen that I would be offline, but then I would be rather limited in what I could effectively do.
more likely is that I am disconnected from the desktop with the pst.
in this age of multiple devices, PSTs really dont work.
 
@AviD: My dad has a smartphone and no data plan
See it from the perspective of someone who dosen't know enough about technology to trust it, as opposed to someone who knows enough not to ;p
 
again, I am not asking about other users. I am trying to figure this out for me.
I've been doing PSTs for so many years, I dont think it makes sense anymore (for like 97% of the time)
 
10:43 AM
@AviD Are you talking about a local copy or about deleting the online version and only keeping the local copy?
And are you talking about personal emails or your work account?
 
10:57 AM
@CodesInChaos both. and removing it from the live inbox, moving it to local PST instead.
like we used to have to do, to make our inbox smaller because quotas.
 
11:10 AM
@RoryAlsop just saw your unicorn ladies.
I must say your taste is VERY different from mine.
 
11:40 AM
For work accounts I certainly wouldn't move to local storage, at most I'd copy so they're available offline. I'd prevent deletion by the end user (or implement it as soft delete). There are legal requirements for when emails must be retained and when they must be deleted.
For personal emails moving is a consideration, since data in transit often has stronger legal protections than data at rest. If somebody wants to obtain my old emails, they'll need to come to me instead of simply subpoenaing my mail hoster.
Backing them up is pretty important as well. For work emails the server admin should take care of that. But for personal emails I want a backup I control myself. Else somebody could hack my email account and delete all emails.
 
again, this is just for myself, not looking for some corporate Policy And Procedure.
I think there might be a very small percentage where I would be worried specifically about legal protections and subpoenas.
for backups, for the most part google/microsoft/etc seem to be dependable enough, but... but there is always a "but".
 
12:18 PM
0
Q: Discover which RET instruction caused EIP Overwrite

user3718463I'm doing alot of exploit research right now, and i wanna know if there is any way in immunity debugger or windbg that can help me quickly identify the ret instruction that cause EIP overwrite instead of spending 5 or 10 minutes trying to figure out which ret cause the overwrite

Am I the only one that thinks this doesn't make sense?
ret doesn't overwrite crap.
 
@TerryChia no you're not
 
@AviD erm - which pic? The dancer with dreads dressed like Lilu from 5th Element, and the two buxom goths in mad Max gear?
 
@RoryAlsop I'm thinking he means the latter.
@TerryChia He is overwriting the return address methinks. security.stackexchange.com/questions/23039/…
 
@DavidFreitag it was a post-apocalyptic themed night, and the guy running it is an editor for an Airsoft magazine - he runs a Fallout version of Airsoft. There were amazing costumes
 
@DavidFreitag Yes but the ret instruction doesn't do the overwrite. You want to overwrite eip so that ret jumps to a memory address you want.
Of course I don't have to explain that to you. :P
 
12:24 PM
@TerryChia Yeah but that doesn't mean he knows that :b
 
@DavidFreitag Hence "this doesn't make sense". :P
 
@RoryAlsop yup that will be the one
 
12:40 PM
276
A: Code that will only execute once

Martin BüttnerVigil Finally a usecase for Vigil! def main(): raise Exception() Excerpt from the "language specification": It goes without saying that any function that throws an exception which isn't caught is wrong and must be punished. ... If an oath is broken, the offending function [......

 
@DavidFreitag Can you imagine the write-debug cycle on that language? :P
 
@AviD not the best pic of the night either, but they were all lovely folks
 
@RoryAlsop where were/are the pics?
 
@TerryChia Yeah seriously! I can't even imagine how frustrated I would get with something like that.
 
@RоryMcCune erm - there's a reasonably SFW pic on facebook.com/metaltech
and yes, that outfit is made from duck tape
 
12:59 PM
@RoryAlsop Ouch...
 
@RoryAlsop impressive!
 
@TerryChia no, it's folded over so not sticky - which made for another amusing problem...it moved around a lot as she danced...
 
@RoryAlsop Ah, not nearly as impressive. :P
 
@TerryChia believe me - it was very impressive :-)
 
@RoryAlsop TWSS!
 
1:10 PM
@TerryChia just make sure you commit every time before you debug.
 
@AviD Hmm, maybe someone should patch it so it removes your commit history.
 
heh.
and attach a robot arm so it can reach out and slap you in the face.
@RoryAlsop "problem"?
To a lot of people calling vi in a single terminal environment has this effect, no escape from it unless you reboot :) Just a joke here. — orion May 28 at 20:41
 
@AviD Hahahah, I love using vi.
Because nano is just too easy.
 
@DavidFreitag @Simon's girlfriend, when explaining why she refers to his D as "pico".
 
@AviD That and yoctometer is just too many syllables.
 
1:18 PM
... "yoctomember"
 
@FEichinger Huehuehue.
 
@DavidFreitag "yolometer". an infinitesimally small length, but feels like eternity.
 
@AviD exactly :-)
 
@AviD It is referred to as another word that starts with the letter p: "perfection".
 
That awkward moment when you realize you've been wearing a breast-poketed shirt backwards all morning
 
1:26 PM
I logged in, flagged 2 posts, reviewed 2 first posts and edited a post.
The community would be dead without me #presidentoftheworld
 
1:44 PM
@Simon cmon, give me credit for pulling that retort. It was a good one, out of the blue.
 
@AviD Fine, it was ok.
 
@Simon TWSS!
BAM! I'm on a roll.
a very small, mild roll.
 
Oh donut.
 
@AviD more like a brioche
 
@Simon TWKS! (That's what @Kisu said!)
 
1:45 PM
dammit, googling.
oh that looks nice.
 
@TerryChia ^_^
 
@TerryChia I dont think you should be saying that. @Adnan is your bro.
 
@AviD just had one for lunch
a chocolate chip brioche
 
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What the donut:
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Q: Is there is a reason for date-cables shredding?

user2438895Just to make sure, is there is a reason for shredding any type of data cables? Is it OK to throw them away just as they are? Thanks.

And what the hell is this dude doing: security.stackexchange.com/questions/66676/…
 
I find that tag appropriate. Also appropriate:
@Simon Scanning. Lots of scanning.
 
1:55 PM
That "question" doesn't belong to us, imo.
We're not the official Retina support forum, ffs.
 
@Simon never heard of it before, anyway. And I agree. drop some VTC on it.
 
@AviD Yeah I did.
Holy crap, there's an overload of shitty questions happening right now.
 
@Simon no you didnt.
 
@AviD #Simon doesn't have that power.
 
2:01 PM
Oh, that's a special thing.
Yeah, I got like 3 rep.
 
@Simon huh. weird.
ohh thats reviews. I see.
 
You got a separate area for flags coming from reviews?
 
@Simon no, you didnt flag it.
 
wat
off-topic – Simon 11 mins ago helpful
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8 damn first post reviews since my arrival. I take cash or credit.
 
2:34 PM
@Simon So tempted to say, "If you don't shred the cable, you should let it hang for at least two days to drain out any residual data. Running a blow dryer at one end will help speed up this process."
 
@Iszi That'd be awesome, haha.
 
@Iszi I just want to know what a date cable is. Sounds...kinky
can you guys have a look at this and vote to reopen if I've been to quick/harsh:
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Q: Retina tells me I do not have permission to scan a range. I have full permissions. Why?

Keith TwombleyI am using Retina via BeyondInsight 5.2.0.410 to scan my network. Occasionally, I get the error message "You do not have the required permissions to scan the entered range" which doesn't make sense because within BeyondInsight my account has every permission. Any pointers on where to look?

 
@RoryAlsop I'm guessing it's a cable used to make connections between palm tree fruits?
 
@RoryAlsop It's a cable (either Ethernet, USB, firewire, thunderbolt, etc.) that has been used to provide a lot of pr0n.
@RoryAlsop @AviD and I both agree that it's off-topic.
 
@Simon so...all cables connected to teh Interwebs, yes?
 
2:40 PM
@RoryAlsop Indeed.
 
Those are probably kinky date cables.
 
@JourneymanGeek yup, nice whipping there...
 
One day, I'm gonna get 2k rep.
 
@Simon Not if I can help it. (runs off to down-vote @Simon)
 
:(
 
2:43 PM
@JourneymanGeek or are they kinky data cables
 
@AJHenderson No, date.
Where's @Xander? I need a request a helpful flag count update.
 
@ScottPack mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
 
rabbit? really?
 
rabbits are fudd?
 
2:53 PM
@AviD I'm sorry. I know he was a dear friend of yours.
 
I'm sorry, but eww.
@Iszi hahahaha, that took me a few re-readings till I got it.
 
@AviD TWSS!
 
So, it just struck me to ask the Internet "What is a Pooh?". Someone phrased the question as "Is there such thing or did Milne make it up?". Best response: "I don't know, but how did Roald Dahl get away with "Willy Wonka"?"
 
@Iszi you're brave. Safe Search On, I hope
 
@RoryAlsop Meh. Did it from my personal system. Teleworking today, and the VPN is running on a VM.
 
3:03 PM
@RoryAlsop dont brits call it "Pooh Bear"?
 
@Iszi No, I don't want a new vacuum cleaner.
We all know teleworking means telemarketing.
 
@AviD nope - I always thought that was 'Murricans.
We always called him/her/it Winnie. And the type of bear is a Pooh
 
@Simon Right, 'cause telemarketers love to hang out with Sec.SE folk.
 
@Iszi You're just trying to get us to buy something.
 
@Simon After what you did to your old one, I didn't think it was legal for you to own one anymore anyway?
 
3:05 PM
@Iszi Love is stronger than anything.
 
@Simon even a vacuum
 
@RoryAlsop I hear he really liked that moment when he switches it from "suck" to "blow".
 
@Iszi ewwwww ;-P
 
@Iszi True love is not only about sex.
All those hours spent vacuuming the floor. Lovely, simply lovely.
 
@Simon They say the difference between sex, love, and true love is the difference between suck, spit, and swallow. Did the vacuum swallow for you?
 
3:11 PM
@Iszi What the... LOL.
 
while I am not overly shocked by the level of inanity here, I am a bit surprised this is coming from @Iszi.
@Iszi did @Adnan hack your account?
 
I feel like I gotta go take another shower now that I read this.
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durty
 
@AviD Nah, I'm just in an odd mood today.
 
@Iszi We have a HR manager here, a telemarketer won't be too surprising.
 
@Simon congratulations @Iszi. You have succeeded where many have tried and failed.
 
3:12 PM
@TerryChia oi!
 
wat
 
@TerryChia Wait, who's HR? (hides)
 
32 secs ago, by Rory Alsop
@TerryChia oi!
 
@AviD Indeed, he seems a bit off
 
He even has it on LinkedIn.
 
3:13 PM
@TerryChia you know we can add you to the 'Simon' kickscript...
just sayin
 
@RoryAlsop That would be an abuse of mod power now won't it? ;)
 
Did someone say kickscript?
 
@TerryChia It's only abuse if the community disagrees.
 
@RoryAlsop #yolo
 
@Iszi Well, seeing how it's @RоryMcCune that kicked of the whole HR manager thing...
 
3:15 PM
@ManishEarth OH MANISH, HANG ON MA BOI.
I gotta show you something.
 
And I think @RоryMcCune that first endorsed @RoryAlsop on LinkedIn for it...
 
@TerryChia Yeah, but Rorys are immune to ejection from Sec.SE. It's in the bylaws.
 
Frankly, I don't see why a dinosaur is in charge of the human resources
 
@ManishEarth Ouch...
 
@ManishEarth I made this using the kick function you provided but unfortunately it doesn't seem to work anymore!
 
3:16 PM
@ManishEarth They figured it was a bit nicer than calling him "food service manager".
 
lol
 
@ManishEarth Also,
yesterday, by Rоry McCune
@TerryChia woah there, I'm a dinosaur, @RoryAlsop is a fossil :op
 
oops :p
 
@Iszi \o/
 
@Simon got stuff to do, might look at it later
 
3:18 PM
@TerryChia true but not sure I can take the honour of starting the meme
 
@RоryMcCune Maybe @Lucas can find out who did using his fancy hipster elasticsearch thingy.
 
@TerryChia @Lucas is a hipster too, damn it we're getting overrun!
 
@Iszi heh
 
There should be a rule that a #yolo kick has to be done in 5 mins after the post.
 
@Simon I thought the response to yolo was supposed to be kickban?
 
3:29 PM
@Iszi Not since Hitler stopped moderating Sec.SE.
 
@Simon did he have an interim role?
I don't remember Hitler
 
@RoryAlsop He was that dude who was often discussing with the other guy whose brother wanted to buy a grocery store.
 
@RoryAlsop I'd make a joke about young people and forgetting the past, but it would fall kind of flat seeing as its you :op
 
@RoryAlsop Tell me about it. I really dig that guy's pizza.
 
ALL PING RORY
 
3:36 PM
@ScottPack Euphemism?
 
For fucks sakes Terry.
How did you manage to interpret that in a sexual manner?
 
@TerryChia This is Sec.SE. Everything is a euphemism - it's just a matter of whether or not it's intended to be.
 
May 27 at 7:24, by Terry Chia
@Kisunminttu It's the DMZ. Everything is a euphemism.
 
So, you guys should know by now what "donut" is.
 
@Simon Given how you used to keep mentioning your penis and at one point you stopped and started saying donut a lot? Yes we do.
 
3:43 PM
You ever call someone at another site whom you've never met, and always thought was a bottom-of-the-totem-pole front-line type tech, but then you get their voicemail and the greeting is recorded by some gal you've never heard and you wonder, "Who is this guy, really?".
 
@TerryChia Donuts taste real good.
 
@Simon This is a donut.
 
@Iszi You would choose a video of a Mustang, 'MERICA.
 
4:06 PM
@Simon better?
it is difficult in a 4WD car
 
@RoryAlsop a 04-05 would have a been better but sure :p
@RoryAlsop Yes, you need a ton of power.
The star wall is fugly.
 
@Simon it would take a while to unstar all 9210 messages
 
@Simon So's your face.
 
@RoryAlsop clearly this calls for SQL Injection
 
@RoryAlsop UPDATE star_wall SET booStar = 0
 
4:11 PM
@Simon "So's your mom" works as well.
 
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Q: Accurately locating a mobile phone.

JosephMy client thinks his mobile phone is been located. Can this be done? How is it achieved? How can it be defeated?

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@TerryChia Nope, dude makes good pizza.
 
@Simon well, vote or flag, or both
 
@RoryAlsop Done!
Who the donut upvoted that?
 
4:30 PM
@Simon ok, what sock puppet of Simon's starred a comment about him being president of the world?
either that or we have a psychiatric patient on the loose ;)
 
@AJHenderson you're blue you can unstar it :P
 
@AJHenderson We've had one for a long time, @Simon talks in here and I don't think they allow internets in those kind of hospitals.
 
Fun watching ya'll do the ALS thing :P
 
@Undo It's not quite over, @Xander can still nominate you :b
 
I've already done it. Not about to post a video of myself doing it, though.
God ice water is cold
 
4:40 PM
@Undo Pansy :]
 
@Undo Yet 3 donuts downvoted the "question".
 
@Simon there was even a close vote on it as off topic
 
@TildalWave People are so boring and grumpy, god damn.
 
and I don't wanna even comment on some comments
 
@AviD or whoever the resident expert on weirdo OSes is: Windows security question
 
4:43 PM
@Simon Randall would probably disagree with you that people are, on average, averagely grumpy :)
 
4:54 PM
@Undo wait, when did Undo show up in the DMZ?
@Gilles how is that wierdo os'es
 
@AJHenderson not unix-like
 
@Gilles but cygwin is unix like
 
@AJHenderson yes, but the security aspects are largely Windows's
 
fair
 
5:09 PM
y
 
@AJHenderson I've been here before :P
 
Nude selfies: Apple turns iCloud photo stream on by default HealthKit: Apple threatens developers to never use iCloud
I'm guessing this is because handling of health info is government-regulated but nude selfies aren't? Maybe we need a NIPAA?
 
@Iszi So that would be... Nude Images Portability and Accessibility Act?
3
 
@tylerl Do they need a janitor at Google?
 
@tylerl You got it.
 
5:21 PM
nude images shall be accessible to blind people
 
sorry, the A is "accountability", not "accessibility", but still.
@Simon they have many. I'm sure they always need another.
lots of foodservice workers too
LOTS of foodservice.
 
I can cook pasta and rice.
 
I"m sure that'll do.
 
@tylerl Cool, thanks. You call tell the recruiters to reach me through this chat.
 
@Simon They would probably be too busy dying of laughter to hire you.
 
5:27 PM
@DavidFreitag I'm that much of a funny guy, I know.
 
@DavidFreitag that would vacate a few positions wouldn't it?
 
@TildalWave Yeah but who actually wants to be a recruiter??
 
@DavidFreitag well prolly none of us wants @Simon to be one, do we?
there's already two donuts in G**OO**GLE
 
@TildalWave Dunno. So long as he doesn't use PHP to recruit
 
@DavidFreitag Using PHP to recruit is a great way of filtering people. You ask them to write code in the interview and if they refuse, they're hired.
 
5:31 PM
that wouldn't be such a bad idea actually, it would most certainly add to their transparency :))
 
@Simon Put a hand gun and a letter telling them to write a PHP script on the table and leave the room.
 
@DavidFreitag Is that legal?
 
sure
 
@Simon Well a jury could say you forcefully coerced them into suicide.
 
you're just not allowed to place any cookies on it if you're in EU
 
5:33 PM
It's probably legal somewhere.
 
not without notice
 
@DavidFreitag Why aren't we blue?
DA DE DEE DA DE DIE
 
not stable enough
 
@Simon Well, you wouldn't know, but I'm not a smurf.
 
@TildalWave donuts
^_^
 
5:35 PM
speaking of instability, my back is killing me.
 
@Simon SE doesn't want mods that leak filling under pressure :P
 
@TildalWave Giggity.
 
@TildalWave ... Oh?
... Oh.
 
wat
 
@Simon You donut
 
5:36 PM
:)
 
Differential Equations hurt my brain
 
Words hurts my brain.
 
You must be in constant agony
 
rekt
 
No, no, it's "#rekt"
 
5:41 PM
@Gilles heh
 
#simon
 
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