The DMZ

kalina

10:12

not quite the same scale

FEichinger

@AviD ಠ_ಠ

Now to catch up on that transcript ...

kalina

you'll enjoy it

it's a long and juicy...

3

...nevermind

Lighty

im going to lie down, cry, accept that i lost, and then murder my PC

FEichinger

@TerryChia You. I like you.

kalina

it's a trap

Terry Chia

10:15

@FEichinger I don't know how to respond to that.

kalina

he means he wants to meet up with you and make out

at least that's what he means when he says it to me

open to debate

FEichinger

@kalina This is indeed correct.

kalina

hey if @fei is all the hway up at the top of the chat

we should make it so the bottom of the chat extends rapidly off into the distance

if we chat faster than he can read

he'll never catch up and we'll win at the internet

Lighty

or, we lie down

cry

and die

kalina

it should be a team effort, we need to actually have a conversation rather than just chat gibberish

because otherwise he'll just skim read over it and catch up with us

which would be a bit of a major disappointment

Lighty

10:17

true

kalina

nobody else cares

FEichinger

@Lighty You need to declare $name, $version and $date first, because bind_param uses references.

Terry Chia

@Lighty Some of us have self confidence and aren't wallowing in despair.

Lighty

and we dont want that

kalina

so I guess I'll just go with plan B and lie down and die

Lighty

10:18

i have self confidence, as i said, im just stupid

kalina

I told you that @fei would be able to help with your PHP i ssue

other than just telling you that your issue is that you use PHP

like the rest of us did

well, primarily me

FEichinger

@kalina Honey, I don't love PHP, I use it.

kalina

you love it

in spite of obviously better choices you chose to stick with it

Lighty

and @FEichinger, tried that, still explodes on me

sometimes youre not left with a choice

kalina

@Lighty now you're just being silly

there is no explosion

"nothing happening" is not an explosion

Lighty

10:19

i thought you liked destruction

Terry Chia

@kalina TWSS

kalina

unless running that page results in your server kernel panicing, it's not an explosion

FEichinger

Now I caught up on the transcript.

kalina

no you haven't

Lighty

you failed @kalina

FEichinger

10:20

I can help you @Lighty.

kalina

@Lighty well, everybody has their off days

FEichinger

@kalina I have.

kalina

@FEichinger 499€ an hour

@FEichinger no

Lighty

brb, robbing a bank

Terry Chia

There's no way I'll ever regret this "valar morghulis" neck tattoo.

Tweeted by markhoppus on June 3, 2014 at 10:20 AM

@RoryAlsop Something to consider once you are all caught up.

FEichinger

10:21

@kalina Also, yes I do mean that when I say it to you. But that's you.

kalina

@FEichinger told you that you hadn't caught up with the transcript

FEichinger

@kalina Fine, you win.

kalina

I know, you don't need to point out the obvious

FEichinger

@Lighty What do you mean by "explodes on you", btw?

kalina

@FEichinger he means spunk in his face

Lighty

10:23

doing nothing at all

Terry Chia

@FEichinger That usually means kernel panic.

Lighty

but hers what i got now pastebin.com/J0Fm4ZaR

and i like exploding thingies

it gives me hope

kalina

"nothing at all" != "explosions"

Lighty

i can dream >:

kalina

I dream of explosions too

some people dream of sheep jumping over fences

Lighty

10:24

i dream of exploding sheeps

FEichinger

@Lighty No errors?

Lighty

no errors

kalina

I dream of sheep standing on pressure pads and being propelled over the fence by explosions

Lighty

it even prints the prep string

kalina

@FEichinger does anybody ever actually receive an error in PHP?

don't you need to init error reporting as e_all or w/e it is

FEichinger

10:25

@kalina Yes. PHP does throw quite nice errors ... Sometimes.

kalina

to actually get anything useful out of it

FEichinger

@kalina By default that should be on.

Lighty

PDOStatement Object ( [queryString] => INSERT INTO plugins (name) VALUES (:name, :version, :date) ) <-- this is what it prints if im right

kalina

I bet its not

Terry Chia

@FEichinger @kalina Isn't there a distinction in PHP between errors and exceptions?

FEichinger

10:26

@TerryChia Well, yes, because PHP doesn't really do "Exceptions" ... Usually.

kalina

@TerryChia sure the error is php and the exception is the user who chose to use it

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also

FEichinger

@Lighty ... What db package are you using?

kalina

did you know that taking a recording of a k56 flex modem dialling up to the internet and then distorting it is a really nice sound

Lighty

pdo mysql?

FEichinger

@Lighty Ah, okay, yeh, just saw that.

AviD

10:29

@kalina thats a sad waste of potential kebabs.

FEichinger

@Lighty What types do plugins.name, plugins.version and plugins.date have?

In the DB, that is?

Lighty

now as text

there is also an ID, whis is auto increment and an integer

FEichinger

Try this: pastebin.com/9kKN6XnU

kalina

@AviD eww

who would really want to eat that crap

might as well just inject fat into yourself

AviD

oh you don't know how delicious that could be. Also lamb burgers.

lamb chops...

kalina

10:32

vegetarian

except bacon

AviD

@kalina then you would bypass all the flavors.

Terry Chia

@AviD yum

kalina

and chicken

AviD

@kalina wat.

FEichinger

@kalina You're just too ~~young~~ inexperienced to have heard that sound normally.

Lighty

10:33

ohh, i think we call kebab Doner over here

AviD

I find that statement hard to believe.

kalina

@AviD which statement

AviD

47 secs ago, by kalina

vegetarian

kalina

@AviD no it's true

with literally the exception of bacon

because food that tastes that good is worth it

FEichinger

in The Bridge, Oct 11 '13 at 10:21, by kalina

I AM NOW FULL OF MEAT

AviD

10:34

sooo.... you're not a vegetarian, then - you just avoid McDonalds?

@FEichinger doesnt mean she ate it....

kalina

@AviD no I'm not really a vegetarian

but I don't actively eat meat

FEichinger

@AviD Teeheehee.

AviD

could have been visiting with @Adnan. ;-)

kalina

it's a rarity

FEichinger

@AviD Tsk!

Lighty

10:35

are you fckin kidding me

kalina

I was just sick in my mouth

Lighty

what did you change @FEichinger

FEichinger

@Lighty What's the output?

AviD

hahaha, was looking forward to that reaction.

Lighty

the vardump, the hint on how to properly close, and..?

Terry Chia

10:35

@Lighty Let me introduce you to this wonderful tool called diff.

FEichinger

pastebin.com/diff.php?i=9kKN6XnU

Lighty

oh, erm, its inserted into the DB

FEichinger

@Lighty Okay, then the reason is line 22

AviD

@TerryChia nah, that's mostly just for programmers.

kalina

@FEichinger nooo

FEichinger

10:36

@AviD Shuddup!

kalina

don't reveal the secrets to the peasants

Terry Chia

@AviD Ah yes of course.

Lighty

the vars in the execute statement

FEichinger

@kalina Says the one constantly mocking me for PHP ... Tsk!

@Lighty Yes, because at that point, they're references, not values.

kalina

I'm guessing @Lighty isn't understanding the concept of references and values

Lighty

10:37

my head hurts, but it works

FEichinger

So what you tried to enter into the DB at the execute() call was references. To which PDO tells you to fuck off.

@kalina To be fair, PHP does quite some crap with references.

That said, why on Earth were you trying to bind the values twice?

kalina

that doesn't prevent you from understanding the concept

Terry Chia

@kalina Most PHP "programmers" don't.

FEichinger

Either bindParam or execute(vars).

Not both.

kalina

when you say "programmers"

FEichinger

10:38

@TerryChia Shuddup!

@kalina Shuddup!

Lighty

thanks, actually learned something now

<3

kalina

do you mean like I mean "djs" when I'm talking about people playing around with other peoples tunes in virtual dj or some shit

FEichinger

@Lighty Don't. Heart. Me.

Lighty

D:

Terry Chia

@kalina Yes. :)

kalina

10:38

@TerryChia :)

Lighty

want a virtual cookie instead?

FEichinger

No, I want you to stop using PHP.

kalina

there must be something lovely in the water in Germany

FEichinger

Go learn something better.

And use that.

kalina

because @fei's tears taste fantastic

FEichinger

10:39

@kalina That's one weird fetish you have there, dear.

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kalina

I feed on tears

AviD

@FEichinger reeeheelyyy? PHP does some crap with something basic? That is soooo surprising.

Terry Chia

@AviD That sarcasm. It burns.

Lighty

well, my stupid school wont let me, otherwise, i dont get my papers.... but i keep that in mind after i burn down my school

still thanks though

FEichinger

@AviD Hey, I never denied PHP being stupid.

Terry Chia

10:40

@Lighty There is absolutely nothing your school can do to stop you from learning another language.

FEichinger

But dot for concat is still smarter than +.

Lighty

i need to learn and master a set of languages

FEichinger

DEALWITHIT.

Terry Chia

@FEichinger Just. No.

FEichinger

19 secs ago, by FEichinger

DEALWITHIT.

kalina

10:41

@FEichinger erm

Lighty

because my exams aer based on those, that they teach

FEichinger

18 secs ago, by FEichinger

19 secs ago, by FEichinger

DEALWITHIT.

AviD

@Lighty you can sue them for incompetence, malpractice, and misrepresentation.

FEichinger

@Lighty Why would they teach PHP?

Seriously, fuck PHP for learning.

Lighty

well

kalina

10:41

@Lighty they teach? they TEACH? TEACH? TEACH?

if they teach

Lighty

not really teach

Terry Chia

@Lighty And that stops you from learning another language yourself why?

FEichinger

@FEichinger (cc: @RoryA)

Lighty

more like rub it in your face

kalina

why don't you understand the difference between a reference and a value?

Lighty

10:41

without help, tools or anything

AviD

@Lighty ah! now you're getting it.

that's really the only way to learn anything valuable.

kalina

learning to program with PHP is like learning to drive a car by cutting off your face

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Lighty

get what? that my school is a lovely bunch of outdated fakes? :D

AviD

ask any real programmer how they learned anything, that is how.

FEichinger

@kalina No, more like learning to drive a car after ripping out your eyeballs.

Terry Chia

10:43

@AviD Copy and pasting from Stackoverflow of course!

Lighty

they atleast teach me to do everything by myself, so i got that atleast

kalina

use the kalina rule of programming

AviD

@TerryChia cmon, I explicitly said "real" programmer.

kalina

learn the concepts, learn to google, google "how do I X in Y"

Terry Chia

@AviD Hehe.

AviD

10:43

@kalina "EVERYTHING BURNS" ?

Valhar Drakaris?

Lighty

a real programmer... hmmm...

@kalina, how did you learn programming? :3

kalina

or a developer

@Lighty I am not a programmer

or anything to do with the IT industry

in fact, fuck it

no no no you don't get to remain on the star wall

I know nothing about IT

google indexable chat

Thomas Pornin

@AviD Historically, DSA was defined with modulus length of 512 to 1024, and restricted to multiples of 64. Then a later version enforced 1024-bit only; for both, the subgroup order (q) had to be of length 160 bits exactly.

kalina

oh, @ThomasPornin is here

Thomas Pornin

Then a later version also allowed 2048-bit and 3072-bit for p, 224-bit and 256-bit for q.

kalina

10:46

now the conversation is going to go well outside of my range of understanding

FEichinger

@kalina Awww, poor you.

Thomas Pornin

The point of restricting possible lengths is to avoid arbitrary limitations in implementations.

kalina

@FEichinger ikr

Thomas Pornin

E.g. if you use a, say, 1507-bit RSA key, it won't work everywhere, although it is perfectly standard.

NIST did not want that situation.

Lighty

potato's?

kalina

10:48

@Lighty it's unlikely that anything belongs to the potato

Thomas Pornin

If there were to be arbitrary restrictions, NIST insisted that they should be theirs, and explicit.

Terry Chia

@ThomasPornin Interesting, so just to be clear, the restrictions on key length is just for interop purposes and you don't lose anything security-wise by going with arbitrarily large keys if your implementation allows it?

AviD

@ThomasPornin ah, understandable.

Thomas Pornin

@TerryChia Well, larger keys imply larger certificates and higher computational work, so you don't want to overdo it.

Terry Chia

@ThomasPornin Yes of course, cheers for the lesson of the day. :)

AviD

10:50

@ThomasPornin This is the DMZ. Of course he wants to overdo it.

Terry Chia

@AviD "Bigger is always better"?

FEichinger

@TerryChia Cue @kalina.

kalina

I counter the "motion in the ocean" argument with "you don't want to go to Hawaii on a rowboat"

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Thomas Pornin

@kalina It has been done, though.

kalina

@ThomasPornin oh sure, it's not impossible, but do you really want to?

a massive cruise ship will get you there quicker and make you enjoy the journey far more

Thomas Pornin

10:52

Gérard d'Aboville

Gérard d'Aboville (5 September 1945, Paris – ) is the first man to row across two oceans solo: the Atlantic Ocean and the Pacific Ocean. He crossed the Atlantic in 1980, travelling from Cape Cod to Brittany. In 1991, at the age of 46 he spent 134 days crossing from Japan to Washington state. He is now planning to circle the globe in a solar power yacht. As a politician, d'Aboville is a member of the Council of Paris (UMP). References *

kalina

also: EuphemismOverflow

Thomas Pornin

Rowing across the Pacific looks like a very hard and completely useless endeavour, so of course it was done by a Frenchman.

5

kalina

hmm

you're right

I do want a yacht more than a private jet

FEichinger

@kalina Ah, but wouldn't a private yacht be even more joyous?

kalina

preferably a big one with a helipad

Terry Chia

10:54

@kalina Do we get an invite once you are rich and famous?

Lighty

i sail alot, i tell you, planes are for pussies, and poeple without money

FEichinger

@Lighty Phrasing.

Also, typing.

Geez.

kalina

@Lighty I counter your "people without money" argument with the word "private" in "private jet"

Lighty

a beautifull sail yacht tends to be a bit more expensive as a jet

kalina

@TerryChia I'm not committing to an answer, because I generally don't trust people online and since I intend to achieve something without revealing most of my identity, people who know me in real life would end up in a situation where they could effortlessly blackmail me

Lighty

10:56

and @FEichinger, i have a weird brain/muscle problem, my muscles dont always do what i want, lets call that an I/O error to make it understandable, it reflects on typing, and failing with typing (but does not excuse my horrible grammar, that adds up to the problem of making typo's)

kalina

@Lighty "a weird brain/muscle problem"?

Lighty

no idea how to explain that

Terry Chia

@Lighty So type slower and read what you typed before hitting the enter button.

Lighty

im lazy too :)

kalina

-too

Lighty

10:58

that was an understatement, i know

kalina

wow, yachts aren't cheap

talking private island kind of money for a really nice one

Lighty

i could live with a half-million Bavaria sailyacht

you keep the multi-million yacht

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