The DMZ

Scott Pack

00:00

./tablechunker.pl < ORACLEDUMP.ORA > test_db.csv

TildalWave

@AviD Sure ;) But for HC stuff you better reanimate @TerryChia :)

AviD

naw, I'm not HCOC'ing it... just engineering for a good tradeoff.

And, Im learning quite a bit...

TildalWave

yeah that's about the case with me also... have done OC on a lot of stuff but I'm not an expert, just a power user I guess. I even underclock some of my stuff... HTPC and similar

Scott Pack

Am I being rude or obtuse here?

0

A: I can SSH but can't SFTP

I ran into this when creating an FTPS site (IIS) and it ended up being a port blocked.

D3C4FF

@ScottPack I shortened the fields (there's about 25 different ones) but that looks like it'll work. My other question; Is it actually possible to open an csv file and read/search it on there?

Scott Pack

00:10

on where?

Gilles

@ScottPack you're being weird. Y u no downvote?

Scott Pack

@Gilles I flagged it as NaA instead

Gilles

@ScottPack that feels kinda wrong to me, and I'm normally pretty strict on requiring that answers address the question

not realizing that SFTP and SSH use the same transport protocol is a wrong answer

his answer makes sense, and it's relevant, but it can't happen

Iszi

@ScottPack It's not NaA - it's just a wrong answer. That's a down-vote, not a flag.

TildalWave

00:26

@RoryAlsop If you're still awake, any ideas for the banner title?

Xander

00:38

@ScottPack No.

Scott Pack

00:51

It seems like a pretty tight distinction to me. Doesn't answer the question as opposed to answering a different question or completely irrelevant due to the question specifics.

Xander

01:07

@ScottPack My personal philosophy is that I flag NaA answers that don't attempt to answer the question. (Me too or additional clarification answers.) Anything that remotely looks like an answer gets a comment, and a downvote if necessary.

Even if it's a massively wrong answer.

Iszi

@TildalWave Doktor of Defence ?

TildalWave

@Iszi Ideally it should be shorter ... not much space ;)

Iszi

We're talking about @RoryAlsop's custom wallpaper, right?

TildalWave

@Iszi Yes :) I'll stick with IT Security for now... ready for 1st draft

Thoughts?

Iszi

"IT Sec Rocks!"

TildalWave

02:17

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Scott Pack

02:29

@Xander Pansy.

@TildalWave You clearly have too much time to cut around all that hair.

TildalWave

@ScottPack That didn't take that much time actually. The most time consuming is then thinking what to do with it. Most of what I tried just didn't look good, plus I don't have materials as I just don't design that often.

@ScottPack If I had PSD from @Jin's designs, it'd be so much easier... maybe we could request it, or at least some PNGs with alpha transparency for the logo?

Scott Pack

He's probably destroyed them by now. Designers are like that.

Yay, I've repcapped and received 3 badges so far off that Shodan question. Go @Aarthi.

And now for bed. Gentlemen.

TildalWave

02:45

@ScottPack Good night! I think I'll follow your example soon too ;)

Iszi

@TildalWave Even better. Nicely done.

TildalWave

@Iszi Cheers! Would you add them to that meta post? I can't edit posts from others on meta, not sure why. If you don't have time I can just make a new post too, whichever you want ;)

Iszi

@TildalWave Go ahead and make a new one. You deserve to post your own work.

TildalWave

@Iszi Sure ;) So why can't I edit on meta, that's normal or I need certain number of posts there too, or something?

Iszi

@TildalWave I think permissions on Meta mirror the main site permissions, just like the rep does. You haven't hit 2k here yet.

TildalWave

03:00

@Iszi Oh I get it. I can only edit on main site with approval from mods, yeah that makes sense, cheers!

Iszi

@TildalWave No, the main site requires either mod approval or approval from two users with 2k+ reputation. Once you hit 2k+ yourself, you can edit on your own.

Used to be you couldn't do any editing before 2k+ though - edit suggestions are a relatively new feature.

TildalWave

@Iszi Yes that's what I meant ;) I'll try to make more rep on main site then.... Maybe if I stay up all night long again and wait for The Bear to go to bed, I might stand a chance :))

Terry Chia

@AviD Not sure if you got the answers you want, but doing anything except pushing the frequency up on the CPU carries quite a bit of risk.

Iszi

@TildalWave I didn't think The Bear(s) required sleep?

Terry Chia

I'm not sure the slight performance gain is worth it.

Plus overclock performance always varies chip-to-chip.

Plus I think the real OC expert in here is @D3C4FF. I think he is the guy with the crazy liquid-cooled rig.

Iszi

03:10

Too bad @JeffFerland doesn't have an equally-snazzy avatar that can be put in a Sec.SE wallpaper. And where's @Hendrik these days, anyway?

TildalWave

03:23

@Iszi I have an idea for @JeffFerland's version and it wouldn't even require his photo... just a cylinder hat, a magic wand and Jeff Ferland was here under it :)

Iszi

@TildalWave Not bad.

D3C4FF

@TerryChia Naww thanks, i'm touched.

It is indeed me with the 'crazy' LC rig :D

@TerryChia what was the original question though?

Terry Chia

03:41

@D3C4FF Voltage overclocking on a CPU.

D3C4FF

@TerryChia @AviD i can assist if you'd like :)

Stack Exchange

04:06

ALERT: Some pending mandatory software updates require version 21.1.2 of the Oracle/Sun Java(tm) JDK(tm) Update Manager Runtime Environment Meta-Updater, which is not available for your platform.

TildalWave

04:37

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There, that's for @JeffFerland too, but now I'm all out of ideas for the day ;) Have fun!

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A: IT Security SE Logo Wallpaper

I've been asked to prepare another customized wallpaper, this time with our beloved Sec.SE moderator @RoryAlsop. It's again based on @Jin's original design, with a cut-out from Rory's own photo: And another, slightly less modified version: Of course, for our beloved @Jeff Ferland, slightly ...

They are all ^

D3C4FF

05:52

@TildalWave you should make one #D3C4F

:D

Terry Chia

@TildalWave Heh, you are pretty good at graphics design!

Adnan

06:15

@AviD @Jeff @RoryA Could one of you please explain why was my flag on this post declined. The decline message states that I shouldn't flag to indicate technical inaccuracy, with which I agree, but that doesn't apply in this case.

The question is about how to determine if there's a keylogger installed, and the answer is about enabling GMail two-factor authentication.

This is the second time I have a flag inaccurately (as far as I can tell) declined. First time I also asked the mods but nobody provided me with any explanation.

Just FYI, the first one I'm talking about was on this post.

Lucas Kauffman

06:38

Is this spam? security.stackexchange.com/questions/34079/…

@TildalWave can I has wallpaper too :3?

Adnan

06:53

@LucasKauffman Yup. Flagged

@TildalWave Neat skills.

@LucasKauffman Apparently he's already been suspended from SU and SF for spamming.

Lucas Kauffman

aha :p

Rory Alsop

@Tildal - awesome work :-)

Lucas Kauffman

@rorya btw if you have a better title for that post feel free to edit, it might not be appropriate

Rory Alsop

@Adnan - what were the flags you raised on those two?

@Lucas - I hadn't even thought about the title. Will take a look.

Adnan

07:14

@RoryAlsop For the more recent post, the flag was "Not an answer". The post clearly isn't an answer, it's about a totally different (probably related) topic.

@RoryAlsop As for the older post, the flag was "Off topic, belongs to super user". I don't see how the subject of downloading an image and booting from it then resetting the password is a Sec.SE thing.

Lucas Kauffman

07:28

@RoryAlsop what do you think about: "About the recent DNS Amplification Attack against Spamhaus: Countermeasures and Mitigation"

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Rory Alsop

Works for me @lucas

@adnan - the older one. Not exactly deep, but still on topic here I think.

The newer one - well, it does answer the question.it just isn't useful...

Rory Alsop

07:50

It provides a way to build a sensor

Lucas Kauffman

08:03

Does anyone know if Amazon allows their EC2 instances to be used for Denial of Service testing ?

Polynomial

08:31

@LucasKauffman That is pure genius.

Rory McCune

08:59

@LucasKauffman you mean using them to send the traffic or doing a DoS test on one of their instances?

For the former I'd say it would be ok, just call it load testing and not DoS testing :)

also blog.apps.chicagotribune.com/2010/07/08/bees-with-machine-guns might be of use/interest

Lucas Kauffman

@RoryMcCune aaah frazing!

Adnan

@RoryAlsop Indeed. I gave it a second look and you're correct. Thanks for the explanation..

I'm still not convinced about the first one though, but anyway, I guess I'll live with it :p

Antony Vennard

09:51

@Aarthi's question reptrained, as predicted.

Adnan

10:32

@AntonyVennard I should've hopped on it when I had the chance.

AviD

10:42

@Iszi Well actually, don't bears hibernate?

I would love to get a peek at @Thomas' hiberfil.sys.

Adnan

@AviD Wanna get a peek at my files?

AviD

@Adnan cuz you ugly.

@Adnan lord no.

@Adnan I'm guessing its because the declining mod did not agree with you.

for the record, it wasnt me.

Adnan

11:11

@AviD It's never you.

@TildalWave Currently 8/10 snow-blinded.

I remember that you predicted something like that.

AviD

11:42

@Adnan It's you, it has always been you.

AviD

11:57

@TerryChia @D3C4FF so, short of the real hardcore stuff, you guys think I should just stick to dialing the cpu ratio only?

no BCLK, no over-voltaging, no RAM clocks... ?

cmon son, them is the fun stuff!

as I said, that was my original plan. but, I dunno... doesnt really feel like real overclocking yet. It's too easy.

Lucas Kauffman

@AviD why would you overclock anyway?

Most Intel systems are already equiped with smart overclocking

AviD

@LucasKauffman siiigh.

@LucasKauffman If you have to ask, you do not know.

the real question is, with Ivy Bridge K series, why wouldn't you?

like I said, so far it's just turning a dial to how much performance you want (at the cost of heat and possible instability, if you turn too far).

the built-in overclocking is not quite. there are few different mechanisms, but the one you probably mean - and the most noticable - is Turbo Boost.

If your task load is not using all the cores, Turbo Boost will basically redistribute the unused power to the other cores, taking advantage of the spare heat headroom. This makes single-threaded tasks go faster, even without using the other cores.

shiiite, I'm starting to sound like one of those overclocker geeks.

anyway, real overclocking can get you an extra 20-30% perf on ALL cores, all the time, perhaps more if you are hardcore like @D3C4FF.

Lucas Kauffman

12:15

@AviD but what would you use it for?

because you will also use 300 watts constantly for your cpu instead of the normal130 for instance

so you electricity bill will also go up

AviD

@LucasKauffman If you have to ask, you do not know.

@LucasKauffman ah, not quite.

Intels currrent processors, at least the i7, come with a built in throttling mechansim when the cores arent under load, called SpeedStep.

so it dials it back down A LOT when you dont need it, but the OC lets it dial back up high real quick.

anyway, Ivy Bridge is real light on the power draw anyway. 77w at stock, you aint getting that up to 300w no matter what.

Lucas Kauffman

@AviD I thought you had to disable speed step?

AviD

@LucasKauffman nope. Maybe some of the HCOCers do, but like you say that would be shooting myself in the foot.

more importantly though, is that I want my machine to be quiet, therefore it needs to be cool. So that is one of my constraints.

Scott Pack

Gentlemen

Lucas Kauffman

@ScottPack Miss.

Scott Pack

12:24

How are you this lovel spring day?

Lucas Kauffman

@ScottPack good yourself?

Scott Pack

Not terrible.

Just poured myself a cup of coffee. I have a whole flagon of phone interviews today that I need to crank out a list of questions for.

AviD

@LucasKauffman @ScottPack Hit.

@ScottPack always fun.

Do them all in a thick russian accent, try to see how many times you can get each to say "WHAT?"

More amusing that way.

Scott Pack

@AviD I like that, but I'm not sure if I could pull it off.

AviD

Doesnt have to be Russian. Go for Borat.

Scott Pack

12:33

So I need a sprinkling of Linux, puppet, apache, F5, and I thought I'd throw this in for fun

You're in a desert, walking along in the sand when all of a sudden you look down and see a tortoise crawling towards you.

AviD

"Yes, I computer very very much. I chave jhob now?"

I actually had someone say this to me in a phone interview. True story.

Scott Pack

wow

AviD

I'LL LET YOU KNOW. GOODBYE NOW. THANK YOU.

Scott Pack

Don't let the receiver give you a concussion on the way out?

AviD

heh.

Scott Pack

12:35

Annddd....repcapped

This feels good

AviD

wow, twice in a row?

you really owe @Aarthi. You should buy her something nice.

Scott Pack

I'll take her out for a cocktail the next time I in New York.

Unless she thinks that's a total creeper move, then I'll revert back to a handshake.

AviD

also, if you're thinking "cool, repcapped before breakfast", just remember it goes according to UTC, which is more like "after lunch". :D

Lucas Kauffman

@ScottPack Ask them how kerberos works

AviD

@ScottPack probably. But I hear she takes hugs.

Adnan

12:38

@ScottPack So this is your 3rd time. Congrats.

Scott Pack

@LucasKauffman That's just cruel.

AviD

@LucasKauffman It's tortoises all the way down.

Adnan

@ScottPack Actually you really deserve it, pretty good answer. Way better than most of the other ones.

Scott Pack

@LucasKauffman I wouldn't wish that upon anyone

Lucas Kauffman

@ScottPack It's in my interview kit, categorized as hard

Adnan

12:40

@LucasKauffman I wish you never interview me.

Lucas Kauffman

I made a kit that actually keeps asking questions until the person can't answer anymore

that doesn't mean you haven't passed, but it allows to differentiate between candidates

AviD

cool, I crashed it. I think my overclocking experiments are over.

4

After the bluescreen on stress, had trouble getting into the BIOS, then had trouble resetting that, then still had more trouble getting past it.

managed to reset it to the last known good config... all solid now.

@AviD yeah, right. We both know that now you're even more motivated.

You're gonna teach that motherboard she's your bitch.

Thomas Pornin

@AviD It's not a true overclock session unless you actually kill the hardware.

AviD

@D3C4FF I did that by changing the voltages. I upped the vcore and downed the pll.

Problem is, I am a bit cargoculting it. Hoping to learn by doing, but I'm not really sure what the doing is I should be doing.

@ThomasPornin heh, yeah, I hope not.

kinunt

Is it ok to ask about hints, vulnerabilities or attack vectors against determined concrete solutions abount a concrete provider?

AviD

12:48

@kinunt I think you'd have better luck at Home Improvement. Our only typical use for concrete is blocking USB ports.

@ThomasPornin Can I assume you have an encyclopeaic knowledge of overclocking concepts, too?

@kinunt s/concrete/specific/ then yes on solutions, not so much on provider (unless it is really important for the context, but then I would say tread carefully.)

kinunt

hahah, sorry for my english XD

this case is a specific "special" 2-factor authentication solution...I'll try to launch the question, thanks

AviD

@kinunt english is fine, the ambiguous context allowed me to stretch my snarkmuscle :)

Adnan

13:08

God damn it! I couldn't come up with a way to make bypass Django's XSS protection

1

Q: Is there a way to bypass Django's XSS escaping with "unicode"?

Django (the Python web framework) escapes output to prevent XSS (Cross Site Scripting) attacks. It replaces ', ", <, >, & with their HTML safe versions. However this presentation on slide share, (specifically slide № 13), says: Problems Any other Unicode will bypass this check I...

All fields are already in unicode, there's encoding manipulation in the backend that might jeopardize the escaping mechanism.

Scott Pack

13:30

@LucasKauffman Kerberos: The bastardization that occurs when a bunch of theoretical engineers get together and decide to design an authn/authz system that works when the base assumption is that every single component is comporised.

AviD

isnt "theoretical engineers" an oxymoron?

or shouldn't they just be called "Architects"?

Thomas Pornin

@AviD Some knowledge of how circuits and transistors work is necessary for a programmer to achieve competence.

Antony Vennard

@AviD I think the official term must include Enterprise. Like, "Enterprise Architect".

D3C4FF

@AviD Pretty simple goal. Increase clock speeds, keep temperatures low and keep system stable.

After a successfull CPU OC, move onto RAM

after that, GPU

If its all stable (lucky you!) go for a 'record' run and see how far you can push your hardware without burning it

Scott Pack

13:47

@AviD I'm not quite ballsy enough to call anyone trained at MIT an architect.

D3C4FF

Also, with some things like RAM, you need to find the right speed vs CAS timings... so you need an understanding of the hardware and what 'speed' can actually mean

its not all about the MOAR MEGAHERTZ

Thomas Pornin

@D3C4FF Reminds me of an attempted Darwin award: some guy got a head injury from a passing train. He said afterwards that he was standing near the train line, and wanted to know how close to the train he could bring his head without getting injured.

Now he knows.

D3C4FF

@ThomasPornin Hahaha, i wonder if he'll remember that for very long...

I've burnt out a LOT of old hardware. I used to have about 60-70 different Rigs (about half actually worked) that were pentium 4's or earlier...

It does help to have disposable rigs when you learn OCing

AviD

14:09

@ThomasPornin Of course. but there is a difference between conceptual knowledge, and practical / applicable knowledge at the mV level.

Rory McCune

@Adnan I have a feeling that the presentation in the question might be referring to this issue seewah.blogspot.co.uk/2009/11/… which I'm guessing from what you're saying isn't an issue any more

AviD

@D3C4FF heh. okaaaay... now lets graduate from OC grade school, and talk specifics. I.e. voltages and stuff.

@D3C4FF MOAR MOAR MOAR!

ala Intel in the 90's and 00's.

@ThomasPornin well actually, he only knows how far he can get from the train and still get injured. Now he has to iteratively back off a bit at a time, until he doesnt get injured again.

D3C4FF

@AviD Well, voltages depend on any number of variables. Especially what chipset and motherboard you have, but also what 'bin' chip you get.

Adnan

@RoryMcCune That's actually very possible. Now I have a new searching path. Thank you.

D3C4FF

Some chips are higher quality pretty much by luck.

AviD

14:15

@D3C4FF okay, I've seen that mentioned, but thats one concept I havent yet understood - what is "bin chips"?

Adnan

@D3C4FF I like chips, especially if the dipping sauce is good.

Scott Pack

►

Iszi

@Adnan Heh. That's about the only time I like chips.

Scott Pack

I really like salt and pepper or salt and vinegar chips.

Adnan

@ScottPack Actually those are pretty good.

AviD

14:19

@ScottPack Sacriligeous. Excellent.

Adnan

@ScottPack Pringles have mastered the Salt & Pepper flavor.

@Iszi Oh, especially Tzatziki sauce... mmmmmmm

Scott Pack

Dirtys Cracked Pepper and Sea Salt are probably my favorite chips of all time at this point.

@AviD I thought that was pretty fantastic.

Adnan

@ScottPack What's Dirtys?

AviD

@ScottPack yeah, I loved it.

Scott Pack

@Adnan dirtys.com

AviD

14:21

@Adnan no, UK's Kettle Crisps are sooo much better, and least with that flavor.

D3C4FF

@AviD So basically when intel makes a batch of chips, they cut wafers to manufacture. Each wafer is a 'bin' as the silicon is usually identical throughout that layer. As a result, each layer is tested (IRL i think intel does it per silicon crystal but you get the idea).

Adnan

@ScottPack @AviD Damn it! We don't have such good stuff in Finland!

AviD

@Adnan Nor here.

D3C4FF

The resultant quality is determined. Intel decides that that wafer can run at x Ghz at x Voltage without issues

any higher and instability may occur

Scott Pack

@Adnan I've only ever seen them occasionally in the building's vending machine. It's an onominatino

D3C4FF

14:22

so a 'good bin' is one that other OC'ers have found to be suitable for high+stable overclocks

Usually the best quality chips make up the extreme edition intel CPU's for example

which is why (theoretically) they are the best for overclocking

AviD

ah, so these "bins" are basically variations of the actual production lines.

D3C4FF

Yep

At the most basic level

AviD

cool cool.

D3C4FF

Very

Adnan

@D3C4FF What's OC'ers? I played Bootleggers long time ago and it meant Organized Crime participants.

D3C4FF

14:24

They were binned lower NOT because of the CPU but because on average either A) the cpus from that wafer were of a cetain quality (due to masking for example) or B) the quality of the silicon used was of a certain quality.

AviD

@Adnan overclockers.

D3C4FF

@Adnan OC'ers = overclockers

AviD

@D3C4FF heh. Okay, now if you dont mind, lets talk about voltages.

D3C4FF

K go

Adnan

@AviD Well played.

AviD

14:25

typically with the K series, touching only the ratio, one does not need to actually change the vcore, right?

or is this MB dependant?

D3C4FF

Lets talk a specific set of hardware. What CPU and what MBD?

AviD

i7 3770K, GA-Z77-D3H

D3C4FF

Fyi, i'm using an older first gen I7 and i haven't checked out the latest intel offerings in much detail

Okay, gimme a min to look up some spex

AviD

I know the mb is not topline, and I'm fine with that being my limiting factor. but I would like to get out of it whatever perfs I can, without running too hot or loud.

@D3C4FF ohh. The IB series are crazy simple, for moderate OCing. I'm ready to push a little past that. A little.

D3C4FF

Okay, what do you have stable at the moment?

3.5Ghz?

AviD

14:27

I have it stable at 4.5, changing only the ratio (to 45).

D3C4FF

Whats the temp?

When running under load

AviD

not too hot either, but not really cool - stays a couple C under 90C even on torturetests.

case fans manually set to medium. could crank them higher, but then it gets looouud.

D3C4FF

Intel specs tell me the 'max safe temp' is 67.4 DegC

AviD

105C ...

the specs dont give the actual max safe temp, its the expected max temp at stock speeds, I believe...

btw you'd probably like this... overclock.net/t/1247413/…

D3C4FF

Okay. Are you still using stock coolers?

AviD

14:31

Scythe Mugen rev.B

D3C4FF

Nice, i use Scythe's on my Water box

Noisy but fast

Whats your current Voltage readings?

AviD

RAM is 16GB (8x2) corsair vengeance, box is Corsair Graphite 600T (2x200mm fans, I replaced the rear 120mm with a Scythe Slipstream 140mm).

@D3C4FF readings as in actually in use, or the settings?

D3C4FF

Got a CPU-z screener?

AviD

@D3C4FF yeah, but I'm in UEFI screens right now.

D3C4FF

Okay, well, VCC and VCCPLL voltages?

AviD

14:34

all my voltages are set to auto, vcore at 1.140, PLL at 1.800.

heh, I'm half a step ahead of you...

so I tried upping the vcore a little bit, and downing the pll a bit. according to overclock.net/t/1247413/… this should help lower the temps.

thats when I crashed - bluescreens on stress, BIOS locks up, no more boot, etc. Had to reset to "known good config".

D3C4FF

lulz. Alright. Basically, because your on air, you want to DROP the vcc and (potentially) the VCCPLL, in order to reduce heat generated by the CPU and therefore give you more room to increase the clock speed

So, drop voltages slightly (increments at a time) and stress test, make sure it doesnt BSOD etc

AviD

@D3C4FF hmm. wont that reduce stability?

I'm already running with much lower voltages than recommended by that article.

D3C4FF

Yep. But you're looking for the point just above that

AviD

@D3C4FF how so?

D3C4FF

Your chip is different. So you want to find the minimum voltage that give you stable results

(your chip is different because 'every chip is different')

AviD

14:38

ahh. okay, that makes sense... so, find the lowest stable voltage at a given freq, then up the freq?

D3C4FF

yep!

Then it won't be stable, so incrementally up the voltage to compenstate

AviD

ok. should I be lowering the vcore AND the pll at the same time, or which should take precedence?

D3C4FF

stay within the suggested limits of 1.45v

AviD

and how much is "increments"? 0.005 at a time?

D3C4FF

just to check, did you disable 'turbo boost'?

AviD

14:39

@D3C4FF oh, I'm waay below that.

D3C4FF

@AviD That's upto how much time your willing to spend. Ideally yes, 0.005v at a time, in practice, you'll have to see...

AviD

@D3C4FF yup. Though I'm not sure it wouldnt benefit me? yknow, after the OC. because I wont be pushing it to its limits...

@D3C4FF okay. I tried making 10x larger jumps than that...

should I be lowering the vcore AND the pll at the same time, or which should take precedence?

D3C4FF

@AviD No, it can kill your chip, so don't enable it, most of the 'extra' features will hinder OC efforts.

AviD

@D3C4FF cool, thanks.

D3C4FF

@AviD Again, IDEALLY one, test, then the other, re-test...

You can probably do both. But i'd start with vcore first

AviD

14:42

@D3C4FF ah, so in parallel, one at a time?

D3C4FF

Yeah.

AviD

should I bother messing with this "dynamic vcore (dvid)"?

"Internal CPU PLL Overvoltage" - okay to leave on Auto, or change that too if I'm messing with the voltages manually?

D3C4FF

Not afaik. Dynamic means it should take care of itself :P

Leave it on auto for now

also. I hope your logging your temps in detail :P

Sadly, I must depart.

Its waaaay past my bedtime

AviD

@D3C4FF no, that feature is to allow an extra "boost" to voltage while keeping the standard voltage steady.

@D3C4FF thanks a ton!

I'll bother you tomorrow re RAM/GPU OCing... ;-)

D3C4FF

No worries. I'll be back online in approx 8-12 hours :P

Good luck.

AviD

14:46

hehe

thanks!

@Adnan a little bit, sure.

Adnan

@AviD Okay, take a look at this

AviD

Adnan

@AviD Jesus CHRIST!!!!

AviD

15:02

@Adnan okay....?

it's boring. Reminds me of 2002.

Adnan

@AviD I want to include the td in that CSS rule.

Do I have to do this #table1 th, #table1 td ?

AviD

ymean, all TD's should be red? or just the TDs in that table?

@Adnan basically, yes.

or you could #table1 *

Adnan

@AviD Just the ones in that table.

AviD

depends on how granular you like it.

personally I would go for the first one.

or even call it a class, and apply that.

Adnan

@AviD Can't do that. The cells will have many children.

@AviD are you sure there isn't some > < ~ + magic that can do it?

AviD

15:06

@Adnan whats wrong with #table1 th, #table1 td?

Adnan

@AviD I have gazzilions of elements and classes. The situation in the jsfiddle is just a sample to simplify things.

AviD

ah. cant just apply a class to the table, then?

or, you could do #table1 tr *

Adnan

@AviD The cells will have children of different types, I can't go wildcard.

AviD

@Adnan sorry meant "#table1.tr.*". That makes it direct child, not any descendant. (inside the quotes....)

Adnan

@AviD For a second I had hope. Tried it and it didn't work

AviD

15:12

hang on...

I got that wrong. "." is for a class. One second...

I know I've done this before, but it wasnt critical knowledge so I paged it out of main memory when I was done with it.

Adnan

@AviD Don't occupy yourself with it. I started manually modifying them.

'#'+this.id+' table td, #'+this.id+' table th'

Ugly, yes. But it's alright I guess.

Ladadadada

Not sure if I've managed to make this on-topic yet. Legal questions are a mine-field.

-3

Q: Is it illegal to test a website and report the security bugs to them?

I am doing testing on some websites and I have found some serious bugs in those sites. I am not sure if this is legal or not. Is it ever legal? How can I find out if it's legal where I live? What can I do to ensure I'm legally protected?

web-application penetration-test legal

AviD

15:27

@Adnan shuddup. #table1 tr > *

Iszi

We're still closing "legal" questions around here, right? (Oops, guess I'm coming a minute late to the discussion?)

AviD

it's > for direct child. seems they are not chainable, though, which threw me off.

Adnan

@AviD :( jsfiddle.net/c6u8W/1

Jeff Ferland

@Adnan Technical inaccuracy or altogether wrong answer

AviD

@Adnan ah, that's different - the style is not applied to the span, it is applied to the TH, but it cascades.

If you open that in F12, you'll see that it only inherits it.

Adnan

15:31

@AviD that is exactly what I've been trying to prevent.

AviD

to remove the color on specific tags, you could then select them and apply e.g. black.

Iszi

Still off-topic here. Even if legal questions *weren't* generally frowned upon, they still have problems that would drop them into one or two other close reasons:

NaRQ: Question is too ambiguous - cannot be answered without details relating to locality of the user and target site, or a number of other things.

TL: Given enough details to be accurately answerable, the answers would only be good for that one narrowly-defined scenario.

AviD

@Adnan so I misunderstood.

Adnan

@AviD I probably explained incorrectly.

AviD

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Q: How do I prevent CSS inheritance?

I have a hierarchical navigation menu in my sidebar that uses nested lists (<ul> and <li> tags). I am using a pre-made theme which already has styles for list items, but I want to alter the style for the top-level items but NOT have it apply to the sub-items. Is there an easy way to apply styles ...

css

Adnan

15:32

@AviD Oh no no wait. That was indeed what I was looking for.

AviD

I give up.

Adnan

I misunderstood you. Yes, that selector only selected the direct children.

AviD

mainly because I'm hungry, and because my rig wont boot. :-(

Adnan

@AviD Well it worked for me, my situation isn't about coloring, it's a sizzle selectors' thing.

AviD

@ScottPack Did you know that Joffrey is the same kid that batman saved in Batman Begins??

Iszi

15:35

Of course, there's @ThomasPornin: Providing high-quality answers to low-quality or off-topic questions since 2010.

Ladadadada

@Iszi I was aiming to change the question until the correct answer would be "Get written permission first."

Adnan

@JeffFerland Yeah, @RoryA explained it to me. The problem was that I thought that the answer was off-topic (about a totally different thing), but I reread it a couple of times and I can see it's just incorrect.

Iszi

@Ladadadada I'm sure we've got 5 dupes for that around here anyway.

Ladadadada

@Iszi Quite likely.

It's a common question.

Jeff Ferland

@Adnan No, sir, the problem is that THIS... IS... META!!! > /dev/null

I should get to the office. I feel extra lazy this morning.

Antony Vennard

15:49

@AviD LOL! "Cascading style sheets come with this irritating cascading feature. How do I turn it off?"

AviD

@AntonyVennard I know, right? Go figure.

Jeff Ferland

... and my jokes suck, like @ScottPack level of vacuum...

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AviD

@JeffFerland insert mom joke here.

Terry Chia

What did I miss?

Jeff Ferland

Crickets. You missed crickets. Here are some for you now.

TildalWave

16:19

Gents g'day to all :)

@JeffFerland you didn't comment on your version of the sec.se wallpaper?

TildalWave

16:36

@Adnan You might find this page with CSS selectors useful ;)

hmmm a problem... I can't commit to Open Data because the system tells me I'm already commited to three other proposals. But it also counts Reverse Engineering among those three, and the site is now in public beta. Is that expected behavior?

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