The DMZ

Simon

16:02

Dr. Who, more like Dr. Why.

Thank you, thank you. No, I don't do private shows.

kalina

Continuum

because Canadians make some very original science fiction

oh and Lost Girl, for Canadian fantasy

Simon

Is Dr. Who British?

kalina

yes

Simon

That's why you took it personal.

kalina

eh?

Simon

16:05

le fu-

kalina

I didn't take anything personal, I don't like Dr Who

Simon

ily

/cc: @Adnan

@kalina I don't understand how you don't like the melody of the remix of Pressure by Alesso.

kalina

@Simon you linked it

Simon

Alesso + pressure?

David

@Adnan Unsure why you linked a job advert at dropbox to me.. very random!

Simon

16:12

Someone complaining about @Adnan's randomness? That's new.

@kalina Go produce more stuff.

kalina

I don't wanna

Simon

o

kalina

I tell you what

let's do a production race

Simon

lawl

kalina

both start blank and after 30 minutes we post what we came up with

Simon

16:25

I know jack shit.

kalina

I don't know him

not sure why it's relevant

Simon

He's a nice guy.

kalina

fine

give me 30 minutes

I will write something from scratch for you

it won't sound pretty though

deed02392

this will be good

popcorn

Simon

@deed02392 Haha.

Sure, go ahead.

David Freitag

16:34

@David I get the feeling it was for me... stupid ambiguous pinging.

Terry Chia

@David @David @David

David Freitag

@TerryChia See, that's okay with me, at least you aren't trying to convey any important information.

kalina

what

10 minutes in and I'm already bored

Simon

:(

kalina

ok that's 7 minutes of audio

let me add some percussion and then I'll upload it

Simon

16:43

I was expecting some lyrics that go like: "I hate you" * infinity

kalina

no lyrics

Simon

Good.

@kalina By the way, you did give me some constructive advice yesterday. ASTEROIDS INCOMING.

kalina

ok uploading

Simon

20 mins

deed02392

a wild @Adnan has appeared

Adnan

16:49

@David That was meant for @DavidFreitag

kalina

@Simon soundcloud.com/dreyauc/bored25oct2013/s-p5a4l

enjoy 7 minutes of the same thing

Simon

It looks like a giant dong.

Adnan

@deed02392 Aaaand, he disappeared.

kalina

rendered at low quality

Simon

If you say that this isn't trance, I'll kick you.

deed02392

16:51

@kalina congratulations, it's terrible, and yet conveys the structure of the majority of music i listen to

o m gee @Simon

#trancefamily

kalina

@Simon bass might be a little heavy for trance

it's the right speed though

Simon

@kalina Right speed and structure.

kalina

but it uses hard drops for everything, which is very untrance

deed02392

dunno markus schulz does some nice bass-driven trance melodies

Simon

@deed02392 Not so much a trance guy.

@kalina You did load some samples you saved, right?

kalina

16:52

nope

Simon

Sigh.

kalina

I browsed to my sample folder and selected a kick, clap, hat, ride and percussion loop

deed02392

what's your current loop song @Simon

kalina

and then I loaded up nexus and used three presets

one for the intro sound

one for the pads

and one for the main riff

Simon

@kalina Makes sense.

Quite good for 20 mins.

@deed02392 Hardwell - Spaceman

kalina

16:54

the bass line is created using a built in oscillator with a crapload of distortion on it

sidechained with the kick

Simon

me <3 distortion.

deed02392

ah more house then

do you listen to the anjunabeats casts thouogh

Simon

@deed02392 Yes but that's not my "main" style. I listen to Hardstyle much more.

deed02392

abgt

oh right

i started off with that stuff, moved away from it

kalina

TRANCE AROUND THE WORLD ...with Above & Beyond

deed02392

16:55

although i indulged in some hard dance mania vol 4 earlier

YES @kalina

kalina

INTERNATIONAL DEPARTURES, WITH MYON & SHANE 54

lynks

/wrists

deed02392

have you got in search of sunrise 11

kalina

no, I don't pirate music

except that 1.7tb of music I pirated

deed02392

what you on about, it's on general release

kalina

16:57

I think this is going to be a facedesk moment

but since when does "General Release" mean "free"

Simon

^ LOL

deed02392

i don't understand why else you'd immediately assume when i asked if you'd got it, you'd pirated it

Simon

Do you guys use to buy music?

deed02392

have to have*

Simon

I'm assuming no one here buys music though.

deed02392

16:58

ANYWAY myon & shane's mix on there is epic

what about deep house

been getting into that a lot lately

kalina

I occasionally go deep into my house

I found a cupboard the other day

Terry Chia

@Simon I do.

kalina

lived here 2 years, only just noticed it for the first time

was quite impressive

Simon

@TerryChia iTunes I'm assuming?

Terry Chia

@Simon CDs actually.

Simon

16:59

Oh.

kalina

what is a "CD" ?

Simon

@kalina I still burn CDs, at least once a month.

Terry Chia

I pirate damn near everything else though.

kalina

why?!

Simon

@kalina Because I still don't have a damn auxiliary port in my new car's radio.

kalina

17:00

replace it

with something that isn't from the 80s

Simon

But it has a capacity of 6 CDs!

Will probably do it next summer.

kalina

...but that's only a fraction of the total capacity of your PHONE

or TABLET

or MP3 PLAYER

deed02392

4

Simon

@deed02392 Very true.

deed02392

;)

kalina

17:02

when I get my next car I'm actually just going to stick a pc in it

deed02392

raspberry pi might be more power efficient

Simon

@kalina Me too, except it will be to get reading from the ECU and to manipulate the ratios.

kalina

either that or dismantle a tablet and integrate it into the dash somehow

deed02392

hmmm

i wonder how far away we are from having car dashsboards that can mount tablets directly in them

kalina

@deed02392 that would never work

there's no industry standard on sizes

whereas the screens themselves are pretty standard sizes

deed02392

17:04

obviously they would address that with a special release

something not infeasible for apple to do

Simon

Oh great, I just remembered that a zombie was trying to eat me in a lake in my dream last night.

kalina

so remove one from its surrounding and mount it

Simon

It was a female zombie. Damn, I see ladies everywhere.

kalina

@Simon the only time a woman would get that close to you is if she wanted to eat your brains

Simon

@kalina Can we make this happen?

kalina

17:05

@Simon you want your brains eating?

that wouldn't be a very big meal

not much brain

Simon

:'(

deed02392

ouch

walked into that one @Simon

Simon

Straight into it.

deed02392

straight into dat der lake

Simon

where da zombie was trying to eat le me-

deed02392

17:07

le sadness

sounds like minecraft

you could escape the things in water iirc

or was it the walking dead

kalina

I'm bored, it's your fault

deed02392

and the elephant in the room what is why don't they just go to an island already

try irl @kalina

kalina

I didn't ask for suggestions on what I should do

Simon

i wunna purty

deed02392

and yet you got them

aren't you lucky

kalina

17:17

no

getting stuff I didn't ask for has a completely different name

tylerl

@kalina Speaking of which, hows your vacation going?

kalina

fantastic

I woke up at 8 because my alarm went off

threw my alarm across the room

went back to sleep until sometime later

and... well...

I duno, there's something awesome about it getting to 6:30pm on a Friday and realising you're still in your pyjamas

tylerl

Think of it this way: the company gave you a huge bonus and several weeks of vacation. The only catch is that you have to go back to work somewhere else.

kalina

think of is this way: DON'T TELL ME HOW TO WASTE MY TIME, I'M ALREADY PRETTY DAMNED GOOD AT IT

So tomorrow I'm going to watch every episode of Firefly

and the day after, I'm going to watch every episode of Firefly again

tylerl

how many are there?

kalina

17:24

and on Monday I will be full of Firefly quotes, turn up to work demanding my stuff back, quoting River Tam quotes

@tylerl depends who you ask

there are 14 episodes

but they were never broadcast in the right order

and some of them weren't broadcast

also there is a movie

which is a bit dodgy since it basically kills one of the most likeable characters

tylerl

So that's 16 hrs. Doable.

kalina

and doesn't have a great pretense

also

it's an American TV show

so it's not 16 hours because otherwise it would be >1 hour per episode

tylerl

2h movie

kalina

whereas everybody knows that American TV is hour long slots with 20+ minutes of ads

tylerl

true

kalina

17:26

so it's 1x 80 minute episode + 13x 40 minute episodes + 90 minute movie

Adnan

@ThomasPornin You ninja'ed me. Two minutes. Of course, with a much smaller and clearer answer.

kalina

but because I have immense ADD

I can't watch TV shows

so whenever there is a scene where they're panning over background

or people are making out

or there is loads of exposition that is unimportant to the plot

I skip those scenes

Simon

@kalina Probably not caused by drugs, right?

kalina

as such it's more like 1x 50 minute episode + 13x 25 minute episodes + 1x 50 minute movie

@Simon actually I am a lot more focussed when I'm high

but yeah it's probably caused by drugs

deed02392

rt.com/news/japan-earthquake-tsunami-honshu-748

QUICK, BUY ALL THE RAM

Simon

17:29

@kalina Why don't you quit?

kalina

@Simon I have no addiction, there is nothing to quit

I am completed sober right now

haven't even smoked a joint today

Simon

Do you often go a day without smoking weed?

kalina

sure, sometimes

Lucas Kauffman

@kalina sure sure, you're not addicted, you just need it.

kalina

I don't need it

I need oxygen

that's something I need.

Adnan

17:31

I need a new chat room.

tylerl

@Adnan The most difficult bit of that shuffling algo is the most easily overlooked: how do you turn a random number into a random index from x to y

without it being biased

Adnan

@tylerl I was actually talking about the CBC question.

tylerl

@Adnan ah

Adnan

@tylerl But, yeah. After reading some parts of Thomas' paper, I agree with you.

deed02392

fish and chips hell yea

tylerl

17:33

@Adnan In this day and age, should we really still be using CBC?

Adnan

@tylerl No, but that's not what the question is about.

tylerl

@Adnan Problem is, everybody does, and everybody does because everybody does.

and why stop now

so then you end up with crap like BEAST

Adnan

@tylerl Just like everybody is using sha1(password).

tylerl

and then we all switch to RC4 as if it wasn't broken

Adnan

Today I'm going to my first LAN party. What should I expect?

tylerl

17:36

@Adnan lots of offensive odors?

Simon

@Adnan A bunch of nerds, red bull and a great time usually.

tylerl

More nerds than a LAN part... oh, yeah. Exactly as many nerds as a LAN party, actually.

Adnan

@tylerl There will be at least 2 females. I hope that provides some motivation for the nurds to shower.

tylerl

@Adnan Do they know what sort of party they're showing up for?

Also, don't we all just use the Internet for that now?

It was cool back in 1996

Simon

@tylerl To shower?

Adnan

17:38

@tylerl Yup. They want to play DOTA and Digital Fortress

tylerl

lan parties

Simon

The social ones like to gather in groups.

Adnan

@tylerl Well, it's a social venue more than just a multiplayer game.

Thomas Pornin

@tylerl People who use CBC are people who are in the process of designing their own cryptographic protocol, and that's not a good sign.

Simon

lul

Adnan

17:39

@Simon What are you laughing about? You have no idea what the bear said.

tylerl

@ThomasPornin well, even SSL makes you pick a cipher

@ThomasPornin also, did you like my Bear Bait question from last night?

Adnan

@tylerl Link, please?

Simon

@Adnan Take that, bitch.

tylerl

I figured for certain you'd materialize to explain how horrible it was

10 hours ago, by tylerl

@ThomasPornin Quantum cryptography offers significant security gains of any mathematical methods because the electron tunneling effects make key distribution completely impossible to intercept. It will render symmetric cryptography completely irrelevant within 5 years.

Adnan

@Simon Wish me luck. I'm going to face the nurds.

tylerl

17:43

@LucasKauffman thought that a simple "base64 is an ideal crypto algorithm" would get him to enter the room, but of course that was too transparent.

Simon

He has no idea what evil thing I just did

Mouahahahaha

Thomas Pornin

@tylerl Sorry, I was distracted by the animated GIFs which were around it. Also, I understood that you were just stringing jargon terms as if you were Dan Brown (and then I lost interest).

tylerl

@ThomasPornin My sister is a English Literature PhD. She hates Dan Brown's work with the fire of a thousand suns. She got halfway through one of his books, said "Wait a second.." turned it over to look at the back cover, and then "HE DRESSED THE HERO UP LIKE HIMSELF."

Simon

And then world imploded.

tylerl

@ThomasPornin Also, I think I once heard a QKD company marketing rep say more or less exactly that.

Xander

17:53

@ThomasPornin What? Did somebody mention military-grade 256-byte broadband encryption being disarmed by a next-generation firewall virus?

I still can't believe that I actually finished Digital Fortress.

tylerl

...soo.. tired..

Lucas Kauffman

18:11

@Xander Or like in swordfish, where a worm virus actually swims across the screen...

Xander

@LucasKauffman Ha! Now Swordfish, I did not manage to make it through.

Lucas Kauffman

@Xander Or when they go OH THEY ARE USING A 256 BIT ASSYMETRIC CRYPTO in the last james bond

I felt like, well that shouldn't be too difficult too crack

Thomas Pornin

@LucasKauffman Hey, depends on whether that's RSA or elliptic curves.

Lucas Kauffman

@ThomasPornin they didn't detail

Simon

When it takes a minute to uninstall to uninstall a tool bar, you know how much of a piece of crap it was.

CodesInChaos

18:38

5

Q: How to let clients know that they are being spied on

In the past I have found out that clients were being spied on. This happened twice; in both times I told them. And in both times I got burned for it. I have no regrets and I got a clear conscience. However, I am about to go telling for the third time, so I just have to ask about this. First, some...

Xander

@CodesInChaos That's pretty crazy.

Simon

19:02

@CodesInChaos Wow.

David

19:32

Awesome question.

Simon

@David No, you're awesome.

David

It's odd that the word awesome makes such an impact here.

@Xander Did you at least get to the part in Swordfish where he has to, ahem, work under pressure?

Simon

@David We were talking about that scene like 2 days ago.

David

19:48

Sure, I'm on Zulu+48h

Simon

Oh, that explains a lot.

CodesInChaos

20:28

Would that spying question be on topic here?

Xander

@CodesInChaos No, I don't think so. I think it's a legal question more than anything.

I've thought about writing an answer where it is, and if I were to, sentence one would be "you need to consult a lawyer before making any final decisions."

tylerl

@CodesInChaos It really has nothing to do with Information Security. It's "finding bugging devices in your walls and then the mafia gonna get you" sort of security.

Xander

20:44

@David Yes. I did. That was perhaps the stupidest scene in any movie in the history of cinema.

David

@Xander Haha. So very true.

tylerl

@David Why does this keep coming up?

David

@tylerl No idea, someone mentioned the movie and I remembered it. If it has come up before I have no idea.

David Freitag

21:09

God donut Microsoft. Why the hell do you need to have this OEM bullshit, why can't a license for Windows just be a freaking license for windows.

David

That drives me mad.

At work we have OEM licenses (that arrive with laptops), volume licenses (for the enterprise) and MSDN licenses (for our development systems)

David Freitag

All we have are Dell OEM disks. All they will accept are Dell OEM licenses. ANNOYING AS SHIT.

David

Heck at least you have OEM disks. Lucky not to just have a "rescue" partition

Xander

@DavidFreitag Why do you have Dell OEM disks, but not OEM license keys?

David Freitag

I always use Clonzilla to create disks for my repair/recovery partitions.

@Xander My boss bought a bunch of non-OEM licenses on Ebay hoping we could install them with our dell disks

Xander

21:12

@DavidFreitag Well there's your problem. :-)

David Freitag

But they didn't come with disks. They did however come with 10mb hard drives.

Xander

What kind of keys are they? Retail keys? And where on earth did someone find 10mb hard drives outside of a museum?

David Freitag

They are regular retail keys.

An i have no idea about the drives. They have discrete components on them and everything. They look awesome.

So now i have to burn a new disk and image all fifteen computers again. Oh boy i love my job.

Xander

@DavidFreitag Fun.

David Freitag

It's not so bad, at least i get to use FOG to do it all.

If i had to do fifteen computers by hand twice i would be leaving heaving these stupid computers into the nearest dumpster.

It seems like after even one blue screen or kernel panic, i can never fully trust that computer anymore.

Simon

21:28

orly

tylerl

21:55

@DavidFreitag This is why:

Price discrimination

Price discrimination or price differentiation exists when sales of identical goods or services are transacted at different prices from the same provider. In a theoretical market with perfect information, perfect substitutes, and no transaction costs or prohibition on secondary exchange (or re-selling) to prevent arbitrage, price discrimination can only be a feature of monopolistic and oligopolistic markets, where market power can be exercised. Otherwise, the moment the seller tries to sell the same good at different prices, the buyer at the lower price can arbitrage by selling to the consu...

David Freitag

23:18

@tylerl heh, nice.

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