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3:10 PM
@RoryAlsop Read the signature on the pic. Says Dumbledore.
 
@Iszi That IS the point.
A quote by Yoda attributed to Dumbledore with a picture of Gandalf.
 
@TerryChia A joke explained no joke is.
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@TerryChia Oh, crap... yeah, you're right.
Sorry 'bout that.
 
3:39 PM
 
@ScottPack Image not found
Good night everyone.
 
I blame the Great Firewall of Singapore.
 
@ScottPack Does not work for me here (technically from France) and it is well-known that France is totally immune to blame.
 
Have you tried turning it off and on again?
 
@ScottPack Turning France on ? How irresponsible.
 
3:48 PM
But not that difficult.
 
Last time this was done, it triggered an Empire which conquered half of Europe.
 
I have a fun story about turned on French people actually.
Not very fun for me, but rather amusing.
Took my girlfriend to Paris for our 1-year anniversary. Sat in a near-empty metro carriage, some guy gets on and sits directly opposite us on one of those 4-seats.
Originally I thought he was trying to perv on my girlfriend. How wrong I was.
About 2-3 mins into the journey, he kept trying to rub his leg against mine. I was freaked out, so made it perfectly obvious that I wanted him to stop by moving my leg away from him.
He did not stop.
Anyway, in the end we got off the train, and he was dubbed "creepy man".
 
First time I see "perv" used as a verb
 
Wind the calender forward another 3 years, to our 4th anniversary. We decided to go back.
Guess who I saw!
For some reason he was being hassled by two women, and a cop was talking to them. No idea what was going on, but he was still creepy looking.
Oh, and he LITERALLY had a beret and a stick of bread.
 
@ThomasPornin Only lasted for a few years.
 
3:54 PM
That's longer than I last.
 
@Polynomial Right, you already said he was French.
 
@ScottPack French people know how to stop joking when it ceases to be funny.
 
Is that why they never joke?
 
@Polynomial France itself is a joke which has not yet ceased (and it is funny, although Brits don't get it).
 
We get it, we just get it too much.
@ThomasPornin Love that last paragraph on your answer re: smart cards. Smartcard standards are a religion! :P
Right, off home.
Later dudes and dudettes.
 
4:01 PM
I'm off to work from my patio until the kids serve me barbequed chickens for dinner
 
xce
good life
 
@ScottPack Got a "user image" link, and it looks like a dead one.
 
4:30 PM
@RoryAlsop It's malaria season, so make sure you get your quinine allotment.
 
@ScottPack already got my order in :-)
 
@RoryAlsop Good man.
 
5:00 PM
Is this more of a Cryptography question, or is it close enough to fit here?
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Q: Does truncating the cryptographic hash makes it impossible to crack?

IMBI store password hashes in their full value for example, $h = sha256('foo') outputs 64 characters: 2c26b46b68ffc68ff99b453c1d30413413422d706483bfa0f98a5e886266e7ae I store that directly in the database (along with salts, iterations, etc.). My question is if I truncate that hash by 32 characters...

 
5:12 PM
I think we need to choose or create a canonical Q/A for "I want to do something at work, but don't want my company to see it." questions - then close all others as dupe.
 
xce
> How can i send 1000s of email to my friend's email inbox in every day? Is there any tools to do this type of attack? Please help me.
lol
 
@xce Please tell me that's not a question here?
 
xce
heh
 
@RoryAlsop @Gilles Is this the sort of we're wanting to bring on-topic? Methinks no.
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Q: How transfer virus via pdf document?

user12102How transfer virus via pdf document? My goal is to format victim's hard drive when opening my infected pdf file. Now i have a pdf file and virus(.vbs file) to do this. But i don't know how to combine this. Please help me.

 
xce
this guy lol
what a bunch of questions
> What are the simple methods of hacking Facebook account and Gmail account? I want to hack my friend's Facebook account. please help me.
 
5:22 PM
@Iszi I have answered it security-like, not crypto-like. But, as a question, it could fit both.
 
xce
> This question is off-topic here as it looks black hat
not what I'd call black hat heh
 
@xce Which?
 
xce
more like dunce hat
 
@RoryAlsop @AviD - It looks like user12102 could use some guidance in terms of what's acceptable for this site and not. Most of his Q/A lean strongly towards the dark side.
 
xce
now he's boasting about how many passwords he got security.stackexchange.com/a/18392/11101
this is not going to end well :S
 
5:25 PM
@xce Well, yes, at one point he may hit puberty.
 
xce
He does TRY to help someone security.stackexchange.com/a/18394/11101
 
@Iszi q's hammered.
 
And now, he's plagiarizing...
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A: Is storing answers to security questions unencrypted on servers bad form?

user12102I'll assume the model you're trying to defend against is where an attacker has access to the database. If that's the case, yes, it's a bad idea if an attacker can compromise an account by only knowing those details. My advice would be to convert the answer to uppercase, then salt + hash it. This...

 
and the chattiness level here is way out of control.
 
@AviD Thanks. I'd say most (if not all) are strong candidates for deletion.
 
5:28 PM
@Iszi absolutely.
 
xce
how do you know it's plagiarizing?
 
@xce It's identical to the pre-existing, accepted answer.
 
xce
any way i got 7 vote within 40 min — user12102 1 min ago
he's just a downvote troll?
 
@AviD This is why I'm voting for you, next election...
> On the other hand, I would strongly recommend you contact your local police department, to receive a stern talking to.
 
@Iszi wooot!!
funny thing is, he's not just a troll, he's a clueless troll.
the H4X0r's equivalent of pleze send me the codez
 
5:36 PM
Awww! You deleted all the awesome. :(
 
@ScottPack heh.
should I copy it all here for posteriority?
 
Now go vote-bomb me so I can get my 10k and see the deleted answers.
Shoo. Go.
 
hehe
the answers were nothing special. just the chessbird, mostly.
but the q's were definitely of interest...
> How transfer virus via pdf document? My goal is to format victim's hard drive when opening my infected pdf file. Now i have a pdf file and virus(.vbs file) to do this. But i don't know how to combine this. Please help me.
my comment:
> This is explicitly offtopic here - please see the FAQ. We do not allow any blackhat, unethical, or harmful questions here. On the other hand, I would strongly recommend you contact your local police department, to receive a stern talking to.
chessbird basically said, go use metasploit.
 
@ScottPack What are you talking about. I'm much more likely to be boosted to 10k by a vote-bomb than you! :-P
 
xce
> Why everyone are very serious in this group? I am also a hacker i have 100s of gmail password. But i like some fun.If anybody agree please vote down and support me.
 
5:41 PM
> Ho do spam attcak on gmail? [closed] How can i send 1000s of email to my friend's email inbox in every day? Is there any tools to do this type of attack? Please help me
 
@AviD You haven't hammered the user yet?
 
@Iszi no. and I'll tell you why.
 
xce
wait til he gives something you can use against him
 
so far, he hasnt been purposely misusing the site, just being clueless. well, and malicious, but just of intent.
gave him his first warning, if he changes, all good. otherwise, then I get to hammer him with prejudice.
> What are the simple methods of hacking Facebook account and Gmail account? I want to hack my friend's Facebook account. please help me.
 
@AviD Seen the latest?
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Q: Why everyone are very serious in this group?

i am a hackerWhy everyone are very serious in this group? I am also a hacker i have 100s of gmail password. But i like some fun.If anybody agree please vote down and support me.

At the very least, he's clueless and mischievous.
 
5:45 PM
@Iszi hammered. but maaaan, I gotta run out now.
please keep an eye on him, mebbe ping rors if it gets out of hand till I get back.
AND KEEP THE CHATTER DOWN!
too much to read when I get back.
 
Thanks @AviD
Got a bad feeling I'm gonna be throwing a lot of flags before @RoryAlsop gets back.
 
xce
I should stop coming here but it's fun :/
 
Okay. I think this has got to be the straw...
i already said. i have 100s of gmail password.if you take action i will login with another gmail account. This account also created by hacked password. — i am a hacker 2 mins ago
 
@Iszi meh
 
6:23 PM
Ooooo - what's been going on here then? :-)
 
@RoryAlsop @AnnaLear is looking into it. Just barely beat you to it.
 
xce
got to quit this stupid site easiest way would be to get banned
 
@RoryAlsop You might want to pop in The Assembly or TL and chat with her about it.
 
6:40 PM
@RoryAlsop What do you think of this one? I think it's borderline, possibly duplicate, and seems like it's trying to steer towards the dark side. I know you're handling the OP, but the low-rep responder looks like he's keen on following it down the black-hat path.
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Q: Is it to possible break simple captcha?

i am a hackerIs it to possible break simple Captcha? If yes, How break? If no, Why some website uses very difficult captcha system? eg http://www.stackoverflow.com

 
and did you see this one - definitely a leet hacker:
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Q: Why password field does not show the entered text?

i am a hackerWhy password field does not show the entered text? When we enter password it shows dot.dot.dot . What are the security advantage for this?

 
@RoryAlsop Actually, that one is somewhat useful. Very basic, but useful. I'm writing an answer.
 
@Iszi that's why I haven't closed it - I will edit it into English, though
and I have suspended him for 30 days with a strong warning
figured the usual 7 days for a first time wasn't enough - he knows exactly what he is doing
 
He'll just subscribe with one of his other 1000 hax0r3d gmail accounts.
 
it's been a while since we had someone rack up that many flags on their first day
@ScottPack and we can keep knocking em down
 
6:51 PM
@RoryAlsop why have you closed security.stackexchange.com/questions/18411/…? Seems like it's not a duplicate. Linked question asks about whether captcha can be defated with CSRF attack though closed question is more general.
 
He signs back up, and gets down again. You're never gonna keep him down.
 
@ScottPack For that you need to sacrifice a young maiden
 
@AndreyBotalov Because the answers are appropriate. However if the consensus is that I am wrong, I'll reopen. What does the group think - did I close incorrectly?
@ScottPack he drinks a whisky , he drinks a vodka
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@RoryAlsop I was really on edge with that one. Nice to know I'm not the only one, so I say you were good.
 
Usually on dupe closes, a big factor I use is 'are the answers going to help' and in this case I reckon so
 
6:57 PM
I wasn't really having a problem with the duplicate, but that did add to it. My main concern was the direction the question (and one of the answerers) seemed to be aiming.
 
xce
fed up with avid
 
@xce ?
 
@xce ???
 
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Q: Why stackexchange give me 2 badge?(older account)

i am a hacker2I got 30 negative vote and 6 question closed and 3 answer closed. even though i got 2 badges. Why stackexchange give me to badge? Is the mistake of project leader of the development team of stackexchange? (all about my older account that just suspended)

He appears a bit confused. He believes to be in kindergarten or something like that.
 
@Iszi no! But the reason is not the color of the asker's hat. It's because it's gimmetehcodez, shows no prior research, and is not answerable (an answer would have to be a complete series of exploits)
Note that I am for banning some back hat content: we should apply responsible disclosure rules, and forbid discussions of attacks against any specific real-life live system (no “how do I hack www.example.com”)
But no “you're trying to craft an attack -> delete”
@RoryAlsop I disagree with that
A dedicated black hat site is a recipe for disaster
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All security content should be in one place, Sec.SE
If that proposal makes it through (fortunately, it probably won't, but it wouldn't be the first bad Area 51 proposal that went through), it'll be a cesspit
the hakerz will dominate the site
it will take Programmers-level moderation to keep the site afloat, and it won't attract experts
 
7:14 PM
Anyone got an answer for this one, or do you think I should shuffle it off to Server Fault or Super User?
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Q: When do Ps Tools send cleartext passwords, and how can I demonstrate this?

IsziThe Ps Tools from Mark Russinovich are very handy remote administration utilities. However, they all come with one big caveat. Note that the password is transmitted in clear text to the remote system. http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb897553.aspx Does this only happen when...

 
@Iszi I would say that “when do PS Tools send cleartext passwords” is more of an SU question and “how can I demonstrate this” is Sec.SE material
This is one of these cases where it might make sense to ask a question on each site, with the focus on one part on Sec.SE and on the other part on SU, and with links between the questions
 
@Gilles Yeah, it's a little half-and-half. However, the former is a bit of a risk issue.
@RoryAlsop I hesitate to wonder if this is "i am a hacker"...
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Q: Who found the password?

Nidhin GeorgeWho found the password system in spain? How can exist Gmail and Facebook without password.(Quistion2) Anybody give me the link to see best password in the world?

Welcome newface, @AlanBarber.
 
Mr. Barber.
 
@Iszi I only saw the excerpts posted in chat, it looks different
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A: Replacement for One Time Passwords (OTP)

Nidhin Georgeuse your phone number as password. I hacked 100s of password. among this 20 password are phone numbers

ah, no, that's gotta be the same guy
 
Oh, FFS!
 
xce
7:26 PM
@RoryAlsop, he's only said about 5 things it should be clear what I'm referring to
 
@Gilles well, Everett's thoughts on scope aren't all black hat - he does think in terms of offensive there and defensive here, but that can be useful for professionals too
 
@xce I don't follow. He said quite a few things in here, especially when we were dealing with the (now apparently returned) abusive user.
 
@RoryAlsop Everett's thoughts? Link?
 
@RoryAlsop I see Nidhin George is now relabeled "i am a hacker". Your doing?
 
@Iszi the accounts have been merged
 
7:30 PM
@Gilles read along this bit:
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A: A new description for this proposal

Everett Proposed Q&A site for expert and hobbyist hackers, the type who subvert security systems, who have problems with hacking techniques, hacking inventions, and for hacker artists, and who seek knowledgeable answers to these problems. REVISION #3 Proposed Q&A site for experts a...

 
@RoryAlsop that's cosmetic. The description of a proposal has little bearing on the site content
 
@xce sorry - no idea what you mean. Can you give links. I see nothing that might fit your description.
 
what matters is what a few active and vocal users decide in the early beta period
 
@Gilles well, there is that, yes
@Iszi yes
 
@RoryAlsop Would be nice if we could track down the affected GMail accounts and notify Google, I think.
 
7:32 PM
@Iszi - basically if we keep an eye out and merge his new accounts into the same one it is much easier for us than him
 
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A: A new description for this proposal

Chris KYes. This topic excites me greatly. I see hacking as something more like lifehacker website. To me, you (@Highly Irregular) are very close with the answer to this question. Your quote from Wikipedia harnesses most of the intent: In home and hobby circles, a hacker is a person who heavily mod...

that's a completely different topic right here
 
@Iszi so far we don't get to see any of his email addresses
@Gilles isn't that likely to be the scope for the Repurposing proposal?
 
who do you think will dominate the early beta? The actual black hatters, or the hackers (ESR definition)?
 
Hello everyone, just playing lurker to see how the mods handle that goofy "hacker" guy. :)
 
@RoryAlsop that proposal is unlikely to get off the ground. It doesn't have a common ground.
@AlanBarber close, delete, merge, repeat
 
7:34 PM
@RoryAlsop Well, I understand @Aarthi's concern about e-mailing people at addresses they haven't explicitly provided for contact purposes. But the address, I think, is still valuable for investigative purposes such as this.
 
been there done that
it's boring
 
xce
2 hours ago, by AviD
AND KEEP THE CHATTER DOWN!
 
@AlanBarber to be honest, mostly handled by the community - us mods are just the stick they wield, and when we can't help, the Devs and SEI folks are the final answer!
 
@xce Okay, I've been around @AviD on here enough to know when he's just playing around. But I can't quite tell with you, here yet. Are you seriously offended by that, or just continuing the jest?
 
@xce ahhh - I think that may be a misunderstanding. He was referring to the fact that recently there has been so much more traffic that whenever you pop on there may be hundreds of unread messages. In the early days we used to poke fun at each other when this happened
 
7:36 PM
@RoryAlsop Another undocumented meme, you think?
 
definitely not aimed at anyone - none of us would do that
@Iszi quite possibly :-)
a good reason for the meme post - to help people understand some of the in-jokes that perhaps get misunderstood
 
xce
this is the third time he said it
after I have been talking here
maybe more
 
@xce Then maybe you generate more chat traffic than we used to see? It's not necessarily a bad thing.
@RoryAlsop Wait... what? You're my stick? That's... disgusting!
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@xce we used to have some days when nothin was said in here at all. And we used to say it back then :-)
@Iszi or hammer, whatever
 
I don't recall a day when nobody was in here at all (then again, I wouldn't have been around to remember either of course) but there were definitely days where only a few people were around and nothing was said for 24-48+ hours.
 
7:40 PM
fixed @iszi
 
Then we'd get onto whomever spoke up first, for having broken the silence record.
 
xce
thanks
 
@RoryAlsop Wait... fixed what?
@RoryAlsop Argh! Thought you meant the Meme thing. Had to scroll past the "bears" to check. That's going to become annoying, whenever I need to do something with that Q.
 
@xce With the usual suspects in here, I think if someone had an actual issue they would mention it and make it obvious what they meant
 
xce
ok
 
7:45 PM
@Iszi heh - no, but I will get around to adding the 'quiet' meme to the list
@Iszi you want me to vote it down?
 
@RoryAlsop I have an actual issue! My eel is full of hovercrafts!
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@Gilles my nipples explode with delight for you :-)
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@AlanBarber Is it possible we've met? You look somewhat familiar to me.
 
any cryptographers around? What's wrong with this answer?
 
So, @Rory. When are you going to cut out vents for your stage attire and paint your glass cutting nipples orange?
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7:50 PM
@ScottPack heh heh
 
@ScottPack you go to any user groups in columbus or conferences?
 
@Gilles Looks fine to me. Not as fine as my answer, but fine nonetheless.
 
@ThomasPornin :-)
@Gilles - congrats on your 5k :-)
 
@ThomasPornin thanks for the review. I'm learning a lot here on Sec.SE, and so I appreciate any comment that tells me what's wrong
if there's something wrong and no one tells me what, I don't learn anything
@RoryAlsop <yawn>
 
@Gilles lol - hey, on this site that's pretty good
 
7:52 PM
@AlanBarber Generally no. Columbus is just a bit too long a drive for me to try to do the events. Then they typically happen on the north side.
 
@RoryAlsop but I know you mean it as a compliment, so thanks
 
@Gilles plus it was a subtle way for me to say (I just voted you up)
 
I admit I do look at my reputation from time to time on Sec.SE
I'm slowly learning about the topic, I've can see my progress in that I can answer more and more questions
the upvotes presumably mean I'm doing it right
 
Conferences like CodeMash, Stir Trek, Codestock, DevLink or maybe you follow me on twitter...
 
Whenever I come across one of the old security questions on U&L, it's usually you who has them right too - I don't think 'slowly learning about the topic' is quite correct :-)
 
7:55 PM
@RoryAlsop on U&L that's not specific to security
 
224k - bloody hell !
you're still the goto expert on security on U&L as far as I can see
 
@RoryAlsop there's a guy called Rory who posts occasionally, good stuff
 
@Gilles there's a lot of Rories about, apparently
 
@RoryAlsop You're the only one I remember seeing on U&L
 
oh, okay :-)
interesting - of my 50 answers there, only 9 are tagged security :-)
I should pay more attention
 
7:59 PM
@AlanBarber Those sounds awfully codey. :{
@AlanBarber Truly about the only time I make it up for organized events in Columbus is Origins. I'm just going to chalk it up to kismet and not dwell.
@RoryAlsop Generally good advice.
 
Oh
5k exactly
and I have crypto above linux now!
question volume, of course
 
@Gilles exactly
wonder whether I should create a user called I am a moron, and merge all the i am a hacker ones into that instead :-)
 
@RoryAlsop I thought you guys could just rename users?
 
Now now. Just because you're drunk doesn't mean you should be cruel.
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@ScottPack Doesn't it?
 
8:13 PM
sorry - "I want to be an hacker"
 
Wait... was that a drunk Scotsman joke? Racist!
 
@Iszi you can't be racist when describing an attribute that is a source of national pride, can you?
 
Ach!
 
Quieted Scott is Quiet.
 
8:21 PM
so whats the status with the leet h2x0r?
trying to read up, BUT THERE IS TOO MANY WORDS
 
@AviD suspended for a month
at least one account merged so far
 
woot. saw that, and saw another user...
 
Also, we've been discussing the Hacker proposal
 
ah, merged, great. good on ya, @Rory
 
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Computer Security Hacking!

Proposed Q&A site for experts/hobbyists who identify weaknesses in systems/designs, use irregular methods, create undocumented processes, test for weaknesses/methods to subvert IT security, have problems with cited techniques or using inventions specific to this testing.

Currently in definition.

Rory wants it to be the go-to place for black hat
I want black hat stuff here
 
8:27 PM
@RoryAlsop I would! I would! :D
@Gilles borderline disagree with both of you.
any blackhat-ish content that could be acceptable on SE, should be here as you say. definitely does not make sense to put it elsewhere...
on the other hand, I dont want to open the gates to unethicalness.
so, gra|ey hat could be okay, in some scenarios... blackhat per se, should not really be supported.
and I should know, I just moved out of a blackhat neighborhood.
 
:%s/gra\|ey/gr(a\|e)y/
There, I fixed that for you.
 
@AviD That's about right for me, too. "Offensive Security" okay. Full-on "I w4nt 2 Pwn teh w0rldz!"... umm, no.
 
hehe @xce, did not mean you specifically. sorry if you felt singled out.
 
@AviD I agree with that! But maybe we disagree on what shade of gray is too black?
1 hour ago, by Gilles
Note that I am for banning some back hat content: we should apply responsible disclosure rules, and forbid discussions of attacks against any specific real-life live system (no “how do I hack www.example.com”)
 
@Gilles right, agree with that part.
as you say, there is a lot of room for case-by-case.
 
8:32 PM
So exactly how many Shades of Grey do we want to define? We probably need something pretty close to 4 dozen to get enough accuracy.
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in which case, the guideline has to be, no blackhat, and then we can decide to leave certain things open, at moderator/community discretion.
 
@AviD I disagree with that
@AviD and that
 
@ScottPack brings to mind Live's Beauty of Gray.
@Gilles really? as @scott said, you'd need to define a heck of a lot to be able to define it definitively.
I'm not used to being disagreed with... except by @ScottPack.
 
There should be rules. They don't have to be excruciatingly precise, but there has to be something we can point askers (and answerers!) to
 
@Gilles Like the code of laws of Hammurabi ?
 
8:36 PM
Y'know... at some point, we might want to make some posts that actually link to the DMZ topic tags. But doing that would be a little tricky, without just ending up with a bunch of "on a boat" questions.
 
@ThomasPornin no, more like the 10 commandments
Hammurabi's laws would be what I call excruciatingly precise
 
Big stone slabs, with akkadian script to little to be read from the ground level (not that many of the subjects could read, either). The point of the slabs was for the Law to be There, not really to actually enunciate the law.
 
Thou shall not covet thy team member's code?
 
@ThomasPornin I do like the idea of setting them in Akkadian script, however
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@Gilles "Excruciating" is appropriate, when you get to the description of the penalties.
 
8:38 PM
@Gilles so you think there should be an element of ambiguousness in the rules, with the caveat that we will apply our discretion to the shadier ones? I can live with that.
 
@AviD this is the kind of rule I was thinking of
 
@Gilles no, I got that. still not specific enough.
 
@AviD Honestly, I can't see it working any other way. Even the FAW is pretty non-specific. If you get too specific in your strictures then you wind up forbidding good things and allowing the bad.
 
or, maybe you're specifically leaving everything else as allowable.
 
A lot of "the offender shall be strangled and nailed to the door of his house"
 
8:41 PM
@AviD Yes, I'd like rules that leave everything else allowed (subject to normal SE rules, of course)
What other sticking points do you see?
 
@Gilles well, according to your rule formulation, most of our current h2x0r's questions would be ontopic - yknow, if they were actual questions.
 
@AviD I missed most of them, but in any case we only need to worry about questions that would not run afoul of the usual rules
 
@ThomasPornin While your answer here is accurate and thorough, I don't see any commentary (from anyone else, for that matter) on the OP's question as stated. Could you add just a little detail to clarify whether or not hash truncation would actually inhibit or prevent an attacker from deriving the actual password?
 
@Gilles well, some of his questions were like, how do I transfer a virus via pdf, or how to steal someones password, or how to spam a site.
besides the cluelessness of his questions, would you have them be ontopic?
I would not like that.
 
@AviD from what I saw, they were all massively in NaRQ territory
 
8:45 PM
@Gilles right, but my point is that that is not the only problem - the unethicalness of it bothered me too.
 
Also, the effect on this community's reputation of having a member who boasts having stolen 100s of passwords and currently using a stolen GMail account for posting is... nightmarish.
It's not just the ethics of the questions, though that is a large and core part of it - it's also the types of users those Q&As will attract.
 
The kind of question I see as on-topic is: can I use this Acrobat Reader vulnerability to inject arbitrary code? Is this method for obtaining a local user's password by timing measures workable?
 
@Gilles First one, I'm sort-of on board with. Second one, is a bit more tricky. The real rough bit is when the question or answers become a "how to".
 
Egoistically, what I want to see is questions such that, when I see the answer, I know what security feature to add to my application
@Iszi I want to attract the kind of people who publish at BlackHat
 
I agree with @Iszi, and I have a feeling that I will agree with @ScottPack about agreeing with @Iszi too, thought he probably wont agree with me.
 
8:49 PM
And I want them to provide technical information. Even BH presentations are often more boast than information
 
@Gilles well, as @RoryAlsop will tell you, BlackHat has become really corporate of late.
 
That's inevitable to some extent, because they reveal holes before they're patched
But I want to have the real meat out eventually
 
in general I do agree with you on that - except for zero-days and the like.
but that is covered by your comment of responsible disclosure....
 
@AviD yes! We don't have to specify how many days to wait or what notification procedures to follow. Just saying “we apply responsible disclosure rules, and posts running afoul may be deleted” is enough
 
heh, one thing about that kid amused me - our resident blackhat chessbird was picking on him too :)
 
8:52 PM
@AviD he picks (pecks?) on everyone
 
@AviD Indeed. "Forget about those GMail accounts. Come back when you've posted something useful on exploit-db." was pretty funny.
 
@Gilles yes, but this time it was apropos.
@Gilles okay... I'd be more okay with it if there was also a more general line about no malicious or unethical activity.
 
@AviD ITYM apropos
@AviD now that's too vague
 
a bit ambiguous, but that can leave room for discretion.
@Gilles shaaadaaap
 
on SU, hackintosh questions are sometimes considered unethical
sometimes even jailbreak questions
 
8:55 PM
Ethicality aside, depending on jurisdiction, either or both may be illegal.
 
@Iszi Ask and ye shall receive.
 
@Iszi AFAIK hackintosh is a civil matter between Apple and the guy who does it
 
@Gilles exactly.
 
Jailbreaking is explicitly legal in the US (at least for some purposes)
@Iszi I thought mine did
 
@Gilles There are jurisdictions where "civil matters" can cost you a hand, or your neck.
 
8:57 PM
That's why I answered, by the way. Lots of good advice on Thomas's answer, but the directly on-topic part was kind of buried.
 
@Gilles Maybe I'm not quite seeing it.
 
@ThomasPornin but they tend not to care about Apple's intellectual property
 
Anyway, time to go home.
 

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