The DMZ - 2011-01-30

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12:05 AM

wow, looks like you guys have been busy all weekend again

really pushing the limits of @packs-bot, eh? ;)

Kudos on efforts on cleaning up tags... now that you have taken off defense, some others to look at...

oo oo, @RoryAlsop whatcha gonna do about [defence]??

for all those that are wondering - yes yes, in addition to [defense], we also have a [defence] synonym ;)

there are a bunch that always seemed like 2 sets of synonyms to me... attack/threats/exploit/etc, defense/prevention/countermeasure/etc
Though I'm of half mind to leave [attack] and [countermeasure], and merge the others...
(btw @packsbot before you start tiring out your clicking finger, mod-merge is a lot easier... :) )

oh and @RoryAlsop one other VERY IMPORTANT comment

it wasnt me that came up with FAW, it was you and @GrahamLee ;)

Jan 12 at 13:21, by Rory Alsop

so on spamming/marketing maybe a faw entry just to say: spamming bad. marketing your own product generally bad, unless it has the answer, but in any case add disclaimer

Jan 12 at 13:22, by Graham Lee

Frequently Asked Wildebeest?

I just have a (often annoying) habit of taking something I find amusing, and rolling with it. Never letting go...

That, and considering everything from the perspective of "Can I eat it??"

12:27 AM

Hey @AviD! I'm leaving as soon as I hit enter, but I got a great idea for a new SE site.

isitkosher.stackexchange

You could use your wildebeest thing as an example in the proposal

@packs lol

well there's already jewish-life-and-learning

I guess what we need is a "can I eat it" site...

hmm, theres already a cooking site too...

so, does wildebeest belong on the cooking site, with a [kosher] tag, or on the jewish site, with a [food] tag??

1:09 AM

@AviD Heh - can I eat it dot com

I did look for 'isitkosher.com' but it was parked

so is canieatit.com - now I'm upset

@AviD Also, I assaulted all those defense tags while I was in a meeting.

@packs That's what meetings are for :-)

well, that and social networking, obviously

Interestingly enough, some of my compatriots were teaching some of the non-security IT guys how to use the FAIR method for risk anslysis.

I was double timing it, baby

1:15 AM

nice - and they say blokes can't multi task - I just say we can renice our processes appropriately :-)

Also, the other day I was watching a webcast about measuring snort performance

As an aside, the presenter mentioned a pretty neat sounding yumupdated bug

Apparently, as part of the update process, the update daemon will restart services that get updated.

yumupdated - belongs on canieatit.com

However, yumudpated runs at a nice level of like 20 or something

or isthis newfoodtasty.com

So all the updated services inherit that nice level.

Fairly well unrelated to the topic, and mostly unrelated to security, but still a pretty neat problem to think about.

1:18 AM

that's interesting, and could be pretty amusing in the wrong circumstances

did he give examples

Well, that's how it came up :)

They're using zabbix to monitor their sensors.

So they started seeing really funky graphs and some weird performance issues.

not surprised

that could be a bitch to diagnose at first though

Without question

as you wouldn't expect it

And considering that it only happened when the service was started as a result of the update daemon...

It would present as completely random.

1:21 AM

sometimes I miss being a sysadmin/networkadmin - and sometimes I don't :-)

I get to ride the middle ground, which I like.

Our office is officially non-operational, so the only "production services" are completely in-house.

If something fails, well, I'll get to it tomorrow as myself, and maybe the guy next door, actually use it :)

Now then, back to entertaining the in-laws. I think it's time for more wine.

later. enjoy the wine.

1:36 AM

seriously, is food the ONLY thing we talk about here? One might be confused with the cooking chat rooms.... :P

not that I mind, its just curious to find you other blokes always as hungry as myself...

1:58 AM

OK - I want the story of the wildebeest quick before it gets even more convoluted.... :)

2:15 AM

@nealmcb You can't HANDLE the wildebeest!

@AviD I would posit that we discuss libations more frequently than food.

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3:36 AM

@packs @AviD - food, drink - either is good with me

@RoryAlsop Speaking of food, I feel a craving for Hot Pockets coming on.

@Iszi - Nice! I have a chili made for tomorrow night and it is damn tempting to have it for breakfast. Nearly 4am here and I'm hungry.

but am also tired so considering bed instead

@RoryAlsop What are you doing up at 0400? Stuck on the GMT -5 schedule again?

@Iszi No! Bad!

@Iszi - nah, my eldest is a bit poorly, running a temperature so he has only just got to sleep. I volunteered to stay up - have a presentation I need to finish anyway: was going to do a talk for local CEO's/directors next month, but this month's presenter fell through so I'm doing it on Wednesday

3:44 AM

@packs They're the only thing I can think of that we have right now which are both quick to eat and simple to make.

Sounds...thrilling

heh

night you crazy cordon bleu folks

@RoryAlsop How old's the eldest?

10

@Iszi Bah! It's not even that late.

3:45 AM

got a 10, and 8 and a 4

@RoryAlsop G'night.

Oh good. You took care of our repopulation deficit :)

night - (the joy, got to get the middle one to swimming at 9...that's 5 1/4 hours away)

@packs Aye - Scotland's population has been dropping

:-)

@packs Well, it's either that or get dressed and run out to Krystals. Though the latter sounds a little better, I'm not in the mood to work that hard for it.

I think the last time I had Krystal was actually down your way, and I had way too many of them.

3:47 AM

@RoryAlsop Good luck.

@RoryAlsop But, I recall reading in a local paper back on 2004 something about your ladies preferring a man with a beer belly.

@packs Yeah, I tend to do a bit of that, too. Especially when I recount my high school days of being able to hammer down 20 in one shot, and some dink has to dare me to prove it.

That's got to be encouraging.

I consider sliders to be an art for the those in their 20s.

@packs Well, I still qualify there. But, my metabolism and appetite aren't quite what they used to be either.

For that matter, neither is my level of daily physical activity.

24 was the turning point for me. After that I couldn't sleep more than 8 hours at a stretch, that was the big thing.

Speaking of which. Bedtime.

3:56 AM

@packs Oh, that's ridiculously easy for me on the weekends. However, that's mostly because I hardly get 4-6 during the week.

11 hours later…

2:53 PM

@Iszi One of my friends has spent the last 20 years thriving no more than 6 hours of sleep per night. Lucky bastard, I don't do that well with less than 7-8.

5 hours later…

8:01 PM

@packs @Iszi - typically I'm okay on 4 hours a night, sometimes I need 6 if I've been partying hard. The good thing is that this lets me mix and match the day job and my mid-life crisis rock band without it causing too many clashes

although I'm definitely a bit crap between 2 and 3 in the afternoon - my slow point of the day

@rory +1 for creativity to combat mid-life crisis - rock band FTW!

@nealmcb - well I nearly got a full house: started up my own company, got a big motorbike and have a successful rock band. The wife says a mistress is not allowed though :-)

8:17 PM

@RoryAlsop Sweet!

8:32 PM

@RoryAlsop What do you play?

8:44 PM

@RoryAlsop I'm not sure that's at all a result of sleep deprivation. Pretty sure everyone gets that.

@Iszi Isn't that tea time, or some such?

9:13 PM

@packs I wouldn't know. Seems to be a popular feature in the 5-Hour Energy commercials.

9:52 PM

@packs - I'm lead guitar for a fun little band that does a mix of 80's rock, 90's funk and 00's techno :-)

@Iszi LOL

glad to hear it

@RoryAlsop Neat. While I haven't played an instrument since high school, my father-in-law is a blues drummer. It is about as close to the music industry as I get these days.

@packs - I love it - gets my head entirely out of the work space, and it is pretty profitable. We get to play festivals, clubs, pubs - and there are some very cool things coming up later this week, as well as our next album out in May

10:10 PM

good evening all

/me waves at @avid

did i miss any food talk this time?

while I was busy arguing the finer points of guids with @nealmcb...

:)

I don't know if I'd say "finer", but grody can be fun too.

@AviD evening!

heya @RoryAlsop

@nealmcb :)

youse guys seen this lately?

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IT Security – security.stackexchange.com

Beta Q&A site for security professionals to discuss vulnerabilities like XSS, buffer overflows, SQL injection, CSRF, clickjacking, as well as system and network security. Discussions related to OWASP projects, tools, papers, and other materials are encouraged.

Currently in public beta.

beta stats

site's doing.... okay

could still use some work, but its going nice.

10:20 PM

@AviD - getting there. Good stuff!

And, we're starting to pick up some more traffic from google, so that'll help improve too...

So in terms of an eval in 10 days, probably not ready to come out of beta yet...

wonder how to get the headline paragraph to reflect our updated one on the FAW

probably just ping it to Jeff I guess

thats dev team only...

yeah

or Robert, or Rebecca....

probably not out of beta in 90 days, but I'm thinking not too long after

here's hoping...

most of the sites dont finish at the 90day mark anyway...

yeah - the visits per day is likely to be an exponential in this phase I'm guessing

at least until it begins to reach its steady state

@RoryAlsop probably true

though googlejuice is supposed to help a lot there

10:24 PM

Maybe we need some more attention to asking real FAQs - can we get hints from wikipedia or google or other resources with public view rates?

>20% of traffic since the beginning of the year comes from google now!

btw, nonsequitor in case any of you enjoy a good boat-rockin...
I just had a rousing good argument on Programmers.SE about cognitive dissonance

I have been following the SEOMOZ info (for my own company site) and the key bit is: get higher on google. That is happening now, and the best way to raise it faster is to have links from key blogs/sites

is cognitive dissonance a major programmers problem?

:-)

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A: Why does TDD work?

Watch me get downvoted for this... I'd like to suggest that "TDD works" because of cognitive dissonance. Same as any dubious claims made by adherents. Don't get me wrong, TDD does have its place - a substantial refactoring would be foolhardy without it, for example. And there are many example...

Check out the comments on my answer... amused me greatly

okay, this isnt really security related, other than the fact that CD and false religions are even more popular in the security field....

@AviD - I like it. However purely because of what it is, you will never be able to convert those who will not be converted :-)

they will continue to call you a troll, fulfilling their own destiny

heh

well, as I said in one of my comments - raising CD as the cause effectively explains why I will never be able to convince them, and why we keep having 2 different arguments there :)

kind of part of the fun :D

though I think my last comment may have penetrated his fog...

sometimes one likes to poke fun, all in good humor....

10:33 PM

aye - sometimes you just need to

@AviD - just thinking it would be cool to compare graphs for other betas. Teamstackexchange must have some interesting data

hmm true

you could try asking some of the other mods in teachers

think I will, yep

11:28 PM

right. Night @AviD

Night @Neal

night @packs

night @Iszi

night @Johnboy

gnight moon

:-)

me too...

@RoryAlsop G'night

11:54 PM

night night @RoryAlsop

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