The Library

i've found that to be the case with that user. that's why i asked my question. i'd like a bit more substantiation as to why they believe it's antisemitic in the first place

Daи

looks like there is already an answer to the question (and a decent one)

got my upvote

swasheck

fair. mine too. there's a better answer, though.

Daи

@swasheck indeed

@swasheck I turned my parked domain (I used it just for the domain for an email address) into a tech blog

swasheck

5:04 AM

nice

what's the significance?

Daи

@swasheck I killed my main blog which commingled my tech and Bible/Christian thoughts

as previously discussed

resurrected the tech blog first

can't decide on a name for a new blog for faith/life stuff

swasheck

> 4n68r

wondering about the significance of that

Daи

oh

forensicator = one who practices digital forensics

4n6

4n68r

swasheck

ooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Daи

@swasheck working on a python script right now to parse XOR-encrypted passwords from OS X 10.8 and lower when auto-login is used (on by default)

still figuring out 10.9

swasheck

5:10 AM

fascinating

Daи

I have expensive tools that do this stuff for me

swasheck

i'm working on scripts to look at the guts of sql server for a user group presentation :)

Daи

but it's fun to force myself to code it by hand, refreshes my memory about the technology, creates a good resource for those without the tool, and keeps me sharp

@swasheck cool

swasheck

here's what i hate ... when i get so close and then i find out that someone else has "been there and done that"

Daи

@swasheck yeah me too

swasheck

5:14 AM

happens all the time, though

Daи

in this case I did find some code that does this, but not in Python, and not as easy to use

swasheck

i'd still like to do the whole contextual semantic search on the sblgnt thing ... but i dont have the capacity (emotional, temporal, or otherwise)

Daи

If I wanted to do this right I'd have it accept the actual file as input

@swasheck meh, don't sell yourself short

the stuff I think is relatively simple today at one time daunted me

I'm a hack (as in not very good) programmer

but I manage to scrap things together

with lots of help from SE :P

I'd like to find a domain that is some play on Christian Agnostic

maybe throw in Orthodox

but everything that isn't too cumbersome to type is taken

@swasheck but I think it would be a fun name combo of sorts

swasheck

pretty sure i could do it ... just dont have the time

:)

Daи

@swasheck yeah I understand the time factor

swasheck

5:21 AM

and the emotional capacity is a big deal for me too

Daи

@swasheck yeah, no need to get unduly frustrated

@swasheck well I'm off to bed

swasheck

or sucked back into

Daи

ttyl

swasheck

a place where i'm not supposed to be :)

you too

me too

Daи

@swasheck understandable

@swasheck g'nite

Librarian

6:04 PM

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Q: Would you be interested in taking a course on the Letters of Paul?

Harvard Divinity School professor Laura Nasrallah is teaching a free, online course called Early Christianity: The Letters of Paul. When I first learned about it, I assumed it would be more of interest to those who participate on Christianity.SE than this site. However, the primary focus seems ...

Daи

6:55 PM

@Librarian say good bye to more of a my free time (not to see if I actually stick with it :P )

Jon Ericson

8:11 PM

@Daи I posted the meta question because I am pretty sure I won't follow through despite best intentions. On a professional level, I'd like to know how (and if) Stack Exchange can fit into the new world of online learning.

Daи

@JonEricson I'm currently learning the Poetry Rap Genius interface for annotating readings, and it uses the same markup as SE

And they have somewhat gamified the annotations assignments

Did you guys help write this platform or something?

:P

What does that remind you of?

@JonEricson hopefully it becomes more than a resource for plagiarism ;)

Daи

8:28 PM

Right a the beginning of the syllabus, a quote from Zizek: "There is no Christ outside Saint Paul." Žižek, The Fragile Absolute, 2.

outstanding

@JonEricson on a side note, I got to hear a Romanian priest speak today that sounded like Zizek. I instantly ascribed intellectual greatness to him on the basis of his accent haha

He didn't let me down either, his breakdown of a text from the Greek was outstanding

swasheck

greek geek

Daи

@swasheck indeed

He was a Greek Orthodox priest who is a native Romanian

So he speaks at least three languages

swasheck

three is somewhat of a baseline for non-US academics

Daи

but he explained μετἀνοια and how it is completely mistranslated in English

as repentance

swasheck

how did he explain it

Daи

8:37 PM

he said the English mistranslation stems from the Latin mistranslation as (something I can't remember)

he explained that it carries no connotation of sorrow, but even the Greek (modern Greek) understanding is flawed by Western thinking

He says that 'change mind' is closer to the meaning, but still to Western

the idea is to 'move beyond the nous'

was his translation

and if you are not familiar, the nous is an important term in Eastern spiritual writings

which does not correspond as a 1:1 to the 'mind' as we think of it in the West

Nous

:This article is about the concept of nous or intellect in philosophy. See also Intelligence (disambiguation) and Intellect (disambiguation). Nous (British: ; US: ), sometimes equated to intellect or intelligence, is a philosophical term for the faculty of the human mind which is described in classical philosophy as necessary for understanding what is true or real, similar in meaning to intuition. The three commonly used philosophical terms are from Greek, or , and Latin ' and ' respectively. In philosophy, common English translations include "understanding" and "mind"; or sometimes ...

nous = the "eye of the heart or soul" or the "mind of the heart"

swasheck

@Daи yeah ... the EO perspective of νόος is (understandably) more mystical than i'm used to, but i'll also agree that a lot is lost if we reduce it to "mind."

i'm not sure i grok what he's saying though (unless there's more that he said). to "move beyond the eye of the soul" seems to set aside much of the mystical interaction between Θεός and ἄνθρωπος that is prevalent in EO understanding

Daи

@swasheck he means moving beyond to God

becoming what he is

that is the change that occurs

swasheck

ah. of course.

Daи

becoming God (not in his essence of course)

swasheck

what is his basis for "moving beyond νόος" as a more appropriate essence?

Daи

8:49 PM

@swasheck he considers 'moving beyond' and 'change' to be one concept = meta

it encompasses both

and the linguistic connection between nous and the latter portion of the word is self-evident

he may be anachronistically reading the meaning of the term from patristic literature a couple centuries later back into the word tho

but I'm inclined to think he's right because he claims the notion comes from Platonism

swasheck

yeah ... that's ripe for an anachronistic/linguistic/composition fallacy. the old "pineapple" or "butterfly" examples are in play here.

having said that ... i will agree that the western understanding of μετάνοια is woefully incomplete

Daи

9:07 PM

@swasheck indeed

@swasheck and I had not heard those examples before, but can infer them from the terms used

@swasheck did you see this?

swasheck

i did

Daи

I registered and so did Mark

I'm hoping they moderate the discussions well

I've taken a few online courses with discussion boards that weren't moderated well and it became apparent to me I was wasting my time with people who didn't grasp basic logic let alone grammar and spelling

swasheck

i'd like to but i just dont have that kind of time and emotional capacity. i'm still finding myself as a "Christian DBA" and not a PhD candidate or somesuch and that's was hard for me about 6-9 months ago

Daи

in those cases I just read and watch the lectures

@swasheck understandable

swasheck

3 months out of the mire and i'm still trying to figure out my emotional capacity to engage such things

Daи

9:15 PM

@swasheck sounds like you had a rough bout there

I experienced something similar (I don't know your situation, I can only identify with your terminology) when I first went to school to study theology

swasheck

i was angry and bitter ... and arrogant

Daи

@swasheck I can definitely relate

I became agnostic in my Lutheran pre-seminary program

dropped out and joined the Army in defiance of my family (a very dumb reason to join - but when I got to basic training the joke was on me :P )

@swasheck seems to be common for many young male theology/Bible students in the US, myself included

swasheck

ah. see ... for me it's a deeply-seated sense of intellectual defiance. i was contending for my own legitimacy as an academic. doors to phd programs were closing rapidly and i was on here (bh.se) to legitimate myself as intellectually superior.

Daи

@swasheck gotcha

swasheck

it made me very angry when people didnt want to engage academia and wanted to just talk theology and doctrinal implications and stuff. i have nothing against theology, i was just on my self-made course toward a PhD so that i could be a professor.

so i'm at this place where i think i'm supposed to be a "Christian DBA" but i'm still learning what that looks like. i'm so afraid of losing my greek, but i'm also afraid of engaging it to the degree that i fall back into that old pattern/sense of helplessness

and i dont want to take it out on anyone else

soooooooooooooooo

when i say emotional capacity

that's what i'm talking about.

i'm still learning how to be "me" right now

Daи

9:33 PM

@swasheck understandable

may I ask your age? Feel free to provide a range or rounded number if this is more comfortable, or to not respond at all

swasheck

36

not shy

Daи

@swasheck ok was just curious

swasheck

i'm not aged out of PhD consideration ... and my understanding is that the "get your phd when you're young" is a very recent phenomenon.

but based on everything i'm reading about academia, it sounds very toxic

i can teach in other forums and formats

:)

Daи

@swasheck there is HOPE

I am a theology/Bible dropout

ended up in tech also

swasheck

yeah.

Daи

9:46 PM

ended up teaching at a local college (tech classes)

not my main job, but could be if I chose to pursue a tech Ph.D.

and found an opportunity to teach Greek at my church

Jack Douglas

@Daи I'd like to start learning Greek, do you know any good online courses?

Daи

@JackDouglas I recommend Mounce's course

teknia.com/classes

you can choose which track

if you want to learn it just enough to use available tools well, you can do that

Jack Douglas

thanks!

Daи

if you want to learn to do it without tools (keeping in mind it takes a lot of maintenance to keep up your skills), it has that option as well

I'm currently teaching using his book

It's pretty easy to follow, and one could likely just read the book and do the workbook without the lectures in my opinion

but having them is helpful for those who prefer that route of learning

I don't like lectures that rehash what I've already read

and a word of warning: Greek sort of never makes sense when you're learning it, but once you have all of the information, it clicks when you go back through the material

all students I've been in class with and taught usually agree

so it seems like an uphill battle, but it will click for you!

just persevere and you'll get over the hills

before you know it, you'll have a mountaintop view

:)

@JackDouglas I've been trying to upvote more as well. I feel like it's pulling teeth to get rep around here anymore

we're getting a lot better at DVs than upvotes

at the same time, I can see why

because folks have a high standard, and many answers are mostly opinion

the problem is that at a certain level of effort, you might as well not answer here but rather submit your response to a journal

and if you're an academic, you're under pressure to do this

then after you get published, you can come back and cite yourself

but we'd like to see that level of effort in responses, or just under it at least

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