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Joe W
Joe W
00:05
@prosfilaes we are talking about decisions that airlines make which make seats smaller and people placing the blame on fellow passengers instead of the airlines
wral.com/amp/20555439
latimes.com/business/story/2022-08-11/…
prosfilaes
prosfilaes
00:24
@JoeW You want reality or someone to blame? It's the blind hand of the market; airlines have no option but to try and cram as many people in the plane as possible, so long as most of their customers are trying to minimize the cost of ticket at all cost.
Joe W
Joe W
00:44
@prosfilaes i want people to realize that the problem with the idea of someone needing multiple seats is in part due to the airlines shrinking the size of seats with the goal of getting more people on each flight. If the seats were a more appropriate size it wouldn’t be an issue of needing to spend more on multiple seats.
 
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prosfilaes
prosfilaes
21:05
@JoeW And I want people to realize that if they want seats of "a more appropriate size", they should buy seats of "a more appropriate size". As long as they aren't willing to pay for seats of "a more appropriate size", airlines are going to provide seats of the most cost-effective size.
Joe W
Joe W
@prosfilaes You are missing the point, seat sizes are shrinking due to the airlines making them smaller which means the blame is on them. The goal shouldn't be to fit as many people as you can on a flight regardless of safety or comfort concerns.
If cost effectiveness is an issue there is more they can do then shrink the size of seats
prosfilaes
prosfilaes
@JoeW No, don't tell me "there is more they can do then shrink the size of seats", show me. They can charge people for baggage; people complain about that a whole lot. They can tack on hidden fees. They can charge for in-flight food and drink.
As I said above, a flight costs $X dollars, thus tickets must be $X / number of passengers. If you want to reduce the number of passengers, the cost of a ticket goes up. Customers have flocked to low-cost carriers, so airlines have had no option but to reduce the cost of the ticket, which implies fitting as many people on a flight as possible.
@JoeW Note this whole thing started because an airline didn't fit as many people on a plane as possible, and bumped, not a ticket holding passenger, but a standby passenger.
Joe W
Joe W
21:36
@prosfilaes They can simply charge enough for the tickets to cover the needed costs. They don't need to continue to make the flights as cheap as possible and attempt to make up the costs in other areas that the passengers can choose to ignore. The problem is that they continue to cut prices on the flight itself and recover the losses from other areas that people are able to avoid spending on
@prosfilaes And if the seats had been larger instead of being shrunk over time in order to fit more people on a flight the person might not have needed an additional seat and they would have had room for that standby passenger which would have allowed them to get on the flight.
SIMEL
SIMEL
22:23
@JoeW that's where you and everyone else disagree, people prefer a flying cheap bus than an expensive flying limousine. The same goes for the people who have trouble fitting into a small seat. They could pay for two seats, which is exactly what you propose, pay more for more comfort. But they don't want to. Under your system, the price will be higher for everyone, but the improvement will be small, take the plane mostly used by low cost companies, it has 6 seats in a row, which fit most people as planes are full with people seating in a single seat. If you remove a single seat per row, you…
Joe W
Joe W
22:47
@SIMEL Cheap doesn't need to mean small seats that sacrifice safety and comfort and are filled with hidden fees that make it no longer cheap
The airlines are the ones who made seats small enough that people required two of them and the blame for that is only on the airlines
prosfilaes
prosfilaes
23:11
@JoeW As I've mentioned above, they do charge enough for tickets with extra space. So long as many people don't want to pay more, economy class with less space will exist. This is all economics 101.
@JoeW "Cheap doesn't need to mean small seats that sacrifice safety and comfort and are filled with hidden fees that make it no longer cheap" I suppose it's easier to live in your magical fairyland where there's easy people to blame, but in reality, there's thermodynamics and economics dictating costs. TANSTAAFL.

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