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Jack Gifford
Jack Gifford
15:02
@TheDemonLord A frame challenge has to actually provide a solution to the question. An example here would be "Don't asking during the interview at all, look on glassdoor or the company website to find information on their initiatives". Your answer was literally an anecdote + a paragraph about what you personally think about liberal corporate initiatives.
I'm not even saying that I agree or disagree with what you're saying. It was just an obvious misuse of the platform - you saw someone an opportunity to use someone else's question as a pedestal to preach your political views and took it.
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TheDemonLord
TheDemonLord
16:55
@JackGifford - telling someone to abandon a bunch of preconceived ideas that are founded on false premises is an answer and, like it or not, is a valid frame challenge. I'll grant you I stated my opposition to various Marxist ideas (they are not at all Liberal) - but only because they were a part of OPs question.
In addition, the upvotes on my answer, even factoring in the soft biases that SE has towards such concepts (as evidenced by the large number of downvotes) shows that the majority also think it's an answer.
 
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Jack Gifford
Jack Gifford
18:43
@TheDemonLord A frame challenge redefines frame of the solution, but solves the core problem. As a user of the Worldbuilding SE, I'm surprised you're not more familiar with how they work, but regardless there are countless posts on the Worldbuilding Meta you can read up on.
To summarize the issue though, a valid frame challenge needs to specify the issue with the original direction of the answer, and an alternative solution to the underlying problem. On the former: you don't actually articulate a problem with the original question other than "marxism", which while you could have provided resources on why marxist workplace policies are bad, you didn't even do that.
Then, on the latter, you don't provide a solution to the core problem of trying to find companies that are friendly to neurodivergent individuals. It would be untenable to claim that there are not companies which don't treat all groups fairly and equally. However, you did not provide an alternate solution to trying to filter companies in this way, you simply said "go out and interview".

You're 0/2 on aspects of a frame challenge. In the future, please try harder to suppress your urges to indoctrinate others and focus more on actually giving helpful answers.
TheDemonLord
TheDemonLord
19:10
@JackGifford - Yes and considering I'm a prolific user of WB and many of my top voted answers are Frame Challenges where I specifically reject one of the premises of the question and a look at your profile shows you aren't a member of WB - You'll forgive me for saying "I won't be taking lectures on Frame Challenges from you". You are wrong on your conception of Frame Challenges.
If you doubt me - feel free to go to the WB Meta and look at the most recent question about Frame Challenges - you'll note that my answer is the top answer - but I want to point to the next most voted answer: "To me, frame-challenges are attacks on the initial premises, goals and intentions of the world that surround the question." - Which is precisely what I did. I justified my reason for doing so by pointing out the disproportionate amount of neurodiverse people who occupy the specific field
If someone asked a question: "I'm training as a plumber, but I'm worried about having to sleep with my clients like certain 'films'" - Would a valid answer be "So long as you use protection" - Of course not. The correct answer would be one that points out this narrative as fiction. As for why Marxist workplace policies are bad - You may as well ask me to justify why suicide booths are potentially fatal. The answer is self-evident.
My experience in multiple companies (including several that promote all the DIE nonsense) is that groups like HR, Marketing, Sales etc. all care about that kind of stuff - and absolutely no on in the Tech teams gives one Iota. The primary concern of any member of a Tech team is 'Can you do your job' - and from that perspective, those teams tend to be the most fair and equal.
In other comments - the Querent was worried about their ability to interview - and so my answer was 'Don't worry about it, go out and interview' you only get better at something you are bad at by practicing. It's noble and heroic to go out and do difficult things, fail, try again and eventually succeed - that answer, if taken to heart, will serve the querent far better than any notions of Victimhood.
 
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JJrodny
JJrodny
23:13
I think my biggest problem @TheDemonLord, is: """'unconscious bias' (which as a concept was not statistically derived)""" can you further explain that?

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