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1:46 AM
@Dean - Not sure. My guess is they were sick of the bug reports for the envelope and worked around it.
@All - Anybody know what happens when you apply a voltage to the input of an opamp when it's powered off? I'
I'm pretty terrible at reading the BJT circuit schematics like the one on page 4 of the datasheet:
(And yes, the board uses an LM741.... :P)
I've got a board powered from 12V, which then regulates it down to 5V. The 5V regulator is tapped for 3.3V and 2.5V supplies. The only thing that the 12V input is connected to other than the 5V source is a few opamps which are used to provide scaled analog references for these voltages. I don't mind having these references nonfunctional, but I'd rather desolder them than blow something up.
Does anyone have experience with this? I'd try it, but they're soldered to the PCB.
 
2:34 AM
@reemrevnivek 1. Shame.
The first thing that happens when you apply a voltage to the input of a 741 when it's powered off is you feel great shame.
2. Nothing much will happen, but there will be current flow if V- is grounded. Even if the input fries (won't with those voltages), there isn't much place for the current to go, so it shouldn't overheat. Looks like path of least resistance may be out null offset pin if it's grounded.
Q3 Q4 essentially quench current flow without power, though.
guess if the input BE junction zeners out, they would be forward biased... but now I'm talking out of my butt.
now it's time for AB RIPPER X
 
 
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4:22 AM
@reemrevnivek, this is from National's 741 datasheet:
(nice resize)
I don't understand why the 741 is used in actual designs. Must be nostalgia. I'm too young to remember the '60s.
I would guess how much damage happens is related to the supply impedance
reverse biasing B-E junctions is said to permanently damage the transistor. Not sure you'd notice in a 741.
 
 
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5:06 PM
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A: Commercial Use of Arduino. Is it suitable?

Nick TUsing the Arduino for a commercial product is totally unsuitable for a variety of reasons, with the only exception being if it was branded as "Arduino-compatible" or some such, explicitly meant to be modified by the user (but I wouldn't consider that "commercial"). Sourcing Atmel components is ...

Chris disagrees, but I can't envision any practical instance where you would use it
The cost is so extreme
For what's essentially trivial
It's not some FCC-certified radio module
 
It is used commercially.
 
in what product?
 
@tyblu, @markrages - Thanks. I didn't design the board, so I don't know why the 741 is being used. Oh well. I didn't find that line about the maximum input voltage in the datasheet, but I pretty much assumed it.
@Nick - The Arduino itself?
 
@NickT I'll have to find it, but this topic came up on EEVBlog forums.
 
@reemrevnivek, yeah
I can't see anyone doing that for an actual product; it costs so much and the thing is huge
and even if they did, is it truly a good idea?
 
5:14 PM
@Nick - I can't either, but the only place I can see it being used is internally. I don't imagine that you'll ever see a product in a retail store that has an Arduino inside it.
I might understand it being used for production support or product verification. It's a poor choice, but it does have a decent dev environment.
 
Is that commercial then? Using it for a prototype, sure
 
BTW, the question has 4 close votes - we just need one more to get it closed as a dupe of this question:
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Q: What makes a particular platform suitable or unsuitable for production use?

DaveLet's assume that the cost of goods is an insignificant factor. If a company lacks a team to produce a custom board for a particular product, but has success with an off-the shelf development platform like Arduino / Netduino / mbed, what sorts of things should be considered before going forward?...

Joby linked that question in a comment, but he could have unilaterally closed it as a mod. Wonder why he didn't...
 
@NickT I can't find it. There are a zillion Arduino hits. Tangentially, there's a good argument for including it in a product: market exposure. eevblog.com/forum/index.php?topic=173.45
 
I touched on that; with my one exception I gave
@reemrevnivek That's not an exact duplicate
a better reason to close the question is that it's not a real question
 
 
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8:38 PM
General question: so in the tools -> flags section, I'm confused
It says: Comment flags do not necessarily require action!
and it also says where I should start....
But what am I supposed to do?
 
 
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10:59 PM
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