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@VianEsterhuizen Aside from being a born again twit, Ken is also a large format film shooter. His concept of resolution, detail, and printable is about as skewed as it can get. When you shoot 4x5 film, then drum scan it at 300ppi, the results are insane compared to a relatively rinky-dinky 1" sensor or less.
When ken compares "film", he is never talking about 35mm film. It is always large format, or maybe one of the larger medium format film types.
That is about as unfair a direct comparison as one can get.
He is also wrong about M and S raw formats vs. native RAW.
They may at times look crisper, but they contain a lot less detail than the native RAW.
I shot mRAW for a while when I first got my 7D.
For one, it is not actually a RAW format. It is more like a JPEG than anything, and our post-processing latitude is similarly limited, although not as severely.
Detail in the mRAW, while sometimes it did look crisper, I wouldn't call it as detailed nor necessarily as sharp as the original RAW.
@jrista does this mean you can photograph birds in the dark? haha
lol
maybe, if any were around
birds hit the sack as soon as the sun sets
@jrista where do they go
depends on the type of bird
some gather and head off shore of the nearest body of water
waterfowl mostly
some find the nearest reeds along a shore and hide
some head into the trees and hide solo, larger birds on the ground, some in the trees
haha hide, babies
00:54
some birds group together and either form circles on the ground or cluster in trees
some find the nearest little hole they can find and huddle inside
6D?
6D + 17-40L ISO 3200
thirsty? haha
minnesota is COLD :P
different view of the same part of the course...
weird...I didn't see any new messages for a while, then suddenly, everything you typed the last few minutes just showed up all at once...O_o
IQ looks excellent
better than my 7D without question
I really gotta move up to a FF sensor
I keep thinking the 5D III
but...then I think, if I'm going to take out a loan to buy a 600mm f/4 L II, I might as well make that loan larger and just get the 1D X
but then I think that owning a $7000 camera body is just ridiculous for someone who is not a pro...
@jrista the telephoto i was surprised at the grain, it is iso 2500 but pretty grainy
even before pushing it at all
01:04
and then I think that owning a $13000 lens is also just ridiculous for someone who is not a pro...
@dpollitt heh, trust me...based on those photos, you don't know grain
you won't know grain until you see the 7D at ISO 3200
even after heavy processing, it is impossible to get images as clean as the ones you just posted
unless there was a ton of light, which tends to preclude using ISO 3200 in the first place
@jrista yea, the tele was with the 135L + 1.4x TC so it was f/2.8 as well
brb... dinner time
and this little discussion about noise is making me thing about that $13000 lens and $7000 camera again...:|
01:29
@jrista i think you should wait for the 7d mkii before buying a new body
yeah
well, I probably wont be buying a new body till the end of the year regardless
I'm either going to buy an insanely expensive lens this year, or rebuild my deck with composite material, custom deck lighting, and a nice trellis covering the house-side half of it...which will cost nearly as much as the lens.
Either way, I wouldn't have money to buy any new camera until the end of the year, or the beginning of next year.
The 7D performs better with a better lens...but playing with the 5D III...even though birds are smaller in the frame...it just performs better.
Those larger pixels really do mean much lower noise.
And the AF system!!
true
OMG...that AF system is to DIE FOR.
the 5dmkiii is a big jump in AF over the 7D?
i thought they were comparable
I liked the 7D AF system. It was one of the most advanced until the advent of the 61pt system.
But damn...61points, huge frame spread, with 41 of them cross type?
01:32
yea
and its reticular too...so it is practically impossible to not have an AF point somewhere on your subject
61pt/41pt cross
vs. 19pt, all cross
the 61pt system supports f/8 AF
the 19pt system supports f/5.6 AF
the 61pt system is sensitive to lower light (-2 EV I think)
yea that extra f/8 range would be real nice
especially with big TC's
I think the 7D's AF system is only good down to 0EV
yeah...when the 5D III gets its next firmware update, it will have the same 5 center point f/8 AF as the 1D X
first time ever that Canon has offered f/8 AF in something less than a 1D
and apparently the f/8 AF with the 61pt system is faster than f/5.6 AF with the 19pt system
an it gets even better when used with one of the new Mark II telephoto lenses and a Mark III TC
i dislike getting rep or up votes for junk like this
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A: What information is contained in "filename.jpg.out.pp3" file?

dpollittFrom the RAWTheraPee 3.0 Documentation: PP3 files If you have saved the above output file next to your raw, you might notice that there's a third file called DSC_1000.jpg.pp3. This is a little text file that describes exactly what edits you made to your photo. Just open it in an editor ...

so, the 5D III, 600/4 L II, 2x TC III
that is a 1200mm high speed AF monster combo for bird photography
01:35
@jrista such a reasonably priced combo hahaha
yeah... :\
that's about...$16000 :[
I always seem to end up with the most expensive hobbys
do you sell your bird shots?
no, not at the moment
I'm no where near as good as the pros who sell their work
and I just don't have any visibility
all of the bird and wildlife photographers who are actually making money in the business are actually really making money off of instructional photo tours
IPTs, which cost anywhere from $3000 to $10,000 per person, with a minimum of 5 to 7 people, and an average load of 15 to 25 people, is where the money is in bird and wildlife photography...basically, planning regular kick-ass trips all around the world to the best hotspots
and taking people for a ride
literally and figuratively :P
I mean, think
yea, for sure. so it would be $16,000 for a hobby hahaha
better then a corvette i guess
$10,000 each for 25 people is $250,000
the actual base costs of the trip are probably 50-60%
even if you are only keeping 40%
you still made $100,000
well, maybe not that much
30%
still, $75,000
once or twice every two months
unless I am missing some of the costs
01:44
i just love my cubicle, would never give it up for taking sweet trips teaching photography :P
if I put together the plane fairs and bus, taxi, lodging, food, and other miscelaneous costs
It's never amounted to as much as these guys charge for their IPTs
Although...I guess there could be equipment rental included as well..
@dpollitt hah!
well
I mean, its guys like Art Moriss...he's effectively the god of bird photography
he's got a reputation, everyone who's anyone who has even mildly gotten into bird photography knows about art moriss
most of the people who learn about art will eventually find out about all the rest
they are a fairly tight knit group...maybe 15 - 20 people overall
they all do certain kinds of trips
have you ever shot out of a helicopter?
some overlap with each other
not birds... anything
nope, never shot out of a helicopter
01:47
going to give it a try
you have an IS lens?
I mean, a GOOD IS lens?
4 stop at least
planning to rent the 100-400L
hmm
that puppy is barely good enough for 2 stops IS
you'll need a REALLY HIGH shutter speed
i'll likely be shooting mid day
so that should be possible
maybe
lot of vibration in a helicopter
1/1600th at least, with IS enabled
the 6D may help a bit, with its larger pixels
01:51
hm, i'll keep that in mind
what would be a "GOOD IS" lens comparable to the 100-400 then?
28-300L?
70-200 f/2.8 L II i suppose
yeah the last one
I believe the 70-200 f/2.8 II IS has 4-stop IS
02:09
but i'd lose the 200-400mm range so that would be bad
 
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I thought that was kind of an interesting shot, not sure if others would since they weren't actually there
 
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07:22
I find it interesting and I wasn't there
08:03
dpollitt, speaking of "smart" dogs, my dog is really smart: when I go to take my coat and shoes on to go out she goes crazy, wags tail around me, eager to come with me, but as soon as she sees I reach for my bike helmet, she stops and goes back to the sofa :)
 
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10:55
Came across an Imgur album of a professional food photo shoot for a restaurant, thought you lads and lasses might like a look: imgur.com/a/kwuR1
and the Reddit thread it came from: reddit.com/r/pics/comments/17h37j/…
Cheers!
Bonus points for anyone who can ID that massive camera and explain why they'd be using that instead of the usual DSLR hardware?
11:38
lol I was about to complain that the iamge quality sucks, but its not the images from teh camera - its a docucam we see haha
it says Phase One [something]25
M?
with viewcamera setup
the reason is like this discussion:
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A: How can a high resolution camera matter when the output is low resolution?

Michael NielsenIt's all about the micro contrast. Look at the posts about aps-c versus full frame and then extend that difference to medium and large format sensors. When do the differences between APS-C and full frame sensors matter, and why? Following the theories on oversampling, it is better to sample at ...

with the viewcamera mockup they can tilt te focal plane
and using medium format or higher they can capture yummy details that a small sensor cant.
and you might not consider FF small, but all is relative. there's always something worse and something better, smaller, larger, more or less details needed etc...
yep! that's the one
now I want view camera bellows with EF mount for my 40D.... purrrrr
with the medium frame sensor they are pretty close to (if not fully) a true 1:1 macro shot of that burger.
 
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13:34
22 megapixels in December 2003... that's amazing. And for only $30k! ;-)
 
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14:45
@MichaelNielsen my dog is an idiot
 
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@dpollitt Well, you can use teleconverters. The 70-200 is just as good as the 100-400 with a 2x @ 400mm.

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