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01:14
@rfusca That number shrinks once the new cost of living kicks in...
@jrista well obviously
but its not that much higher than here
I imagine Atlanta would be pretty expensive
reports indicate an atlanta suburb is only about 15% more
what percentage would that raise be?
between 50-65% increase lol
01:16
oh, wow
yeah...thats a lot
for sure
They seriously pay you that little for DBA work? That really blows my mind....O_o
no, i'm a dev right now
still, dba or dev
but they don't feel like they have to pay me as much because i'm in AR
01:18
out here you would be making at least $60k
sure
@rfusca wow, thats ridiculous
but 50k for around here for your first dev job really isn't that insane
lot of jobs in downtown denver pay $150k
DBA's are paid pretty well here
LOT of dev jobs downtown for $100k to $180k
some are nice hours, some are horrid hours
sure
and if you're a senior dev at a big firm in little rock, you'll make 100k+
01:21
these are generally not senior dev jobs
average atl salary for an oracle dba is 87k
most of them are contract jobs
oh, well ya
some are pretty crazy, admittedly
contract work always pays higher
01:21
one company a number of years ago wanted to hire me to work 16 hour days for around four months to develop this sub-prime credit marketing application
I walked out. :D
$135k
nice
whew
that'd be tough to turn down
four months of 80 hour weeks would kill me
Well, I make not much less than that now. Normal 8-hour days, "summer hours" during summer (work four 9-hour days a week, get every other friday off), and gobs of other benefits.
eh, i've done it before lol
If I added up all the benefits value, I'm probably pretty close if not better than that job.
@jrista you make that in 4 months?
01:23
@rfusca well, it was a $135k a year job with a guarantee of 80 hour weeks for at least 4 months...the job would have lasted as long as it lasted.
oooh, ic
I used to work 12-16 hour days all the time. When I was younger, I pretty much didn't do ANYTHING but work...I just worked and worked and worked. I changed jobs about every two years until my current job, which I've had for about four years now.
I did that from 1999-2001, then the dot-com crash happened and I had a hard time finding a tech job (no degree, still roughly a noob). So worked odd jobs like radiology file room clerk, barns and noble bookseller, etc. Then I got a job down in Denver for $35k salary :P.
right now i've been getting big pay increases about every 2-3 years max - so this is right in line
01:26
I think that was 2004, and from then until 2009, I worked like a friggin dog.
realize you're also 4 years older than me - a bit longer in the working world
It was also around 2004 that my serious sleeping problems started.
@rfusca Sure...dude, I'm NOT proud of my work-only life, trust me.
lol
I really wish I worked less...I might have a more normal, stable life...
01:28
Between the excessive work and dwindling sleep, my life went from ok in 2004 to pretty screwed up today. :\
my goal was to have a family and make over 100k by the time i'm 30 - its just possible it might happen
if I can pick the photo business back up in ATL - i'll be pretty damn close in the next two years
I lived in a rather crummy apartment in 2004-2005, and my sleeping problems started because of "The Mustang Guy". Douche had this nasty 80's mustang that just sat in the parking lot, the battery would drain, then someone would trigger his car alarm. The alarm would, no joke, run for DAYS, sometimes WEEKS. Every so often the asswipe would come home in his taxy, jump the worthless POS mustang, and take off again.
Then the alarm would go off again a few days, maybe a week later.
I lived with that for months, as I couldn'
wow, that sucks
t afford to break my lease.
@jrista ya
01:31
I then moved to a pretty nice townhome once my lease was up and I got a better paying job. Within two months of moving in there (I was in a middle home in a conjoined townhome), this woman with the "Never-Ending Parakeet" and "Separation-Anxiety Dog" moved in. She never slept...watched TV ALL night in the room right on the other side of the wall. Her parakeet never shut up, and she put him RIGHT on the other side of the wall from my head.
lol
Whenever she would go away (which was sometimes for days) this one-eyed pug would cry and cry and cry and cry until she came back.
nice
in our apartment before this house, we had a domestic abuse situation right over us...that sucked
A couple months after THAT, another asswipe moved in on the other side of me. He would have parties every few days, all night long. Everyone would booze out, fall asleep, and leave the TV on FULL VOLUME. I could feel the vibrations. I would bang on his door for up to 20 minutes before he would finally jolt awake and turn it off...sometimes. Sometimes it would just stay on...
The last straw was when on top of all that, they started major road construction right outside my window that went on for months. After two years there, I finally bought my house.
And, once in this house, everything was great from the time I moved in...end of November 2009, until the middle of April 2010...then....
THE ROBINS!!! (In a loud, echoy voice...)
lol
you need earplugs man
01:35
I've had a non-stop barrage of continuous noise, and my brain is so fried these days I honestly can't really remember what it is like to feel normal, to function normally, to have normal, friendly conversations with people (I am always exhausted and fatigued, and based on most peoples reactions these days, I gather that I come off rather gruff, annoyed, and snappy most of the time.)
@rfusca I've tried. My brain has been rewired. I can't block out noise, and with earplugs, the "annoying noise" becomes my own breathing as it echoes in the space between my eardrum and the earplug.
@jrista that sucks
@rfusca Thats terrible. I had something similar, crazy guy and his girlfriend would fight in the halls top of their lungs at my first apartment. I called the police once I realized a kid was usually involved, and often standing there scared out of his wits watching the horror show unfold day after day.
@rfusca That would be awesome. Then you can buy a bigger stove and make great bread even more frequently! :D
Heh, its kind of funny. I think of you as Bread Guy these days. ;)
lol
ya
Dude, you should design and patent "The Bread Makers Stove"
Have all the steam stuff built in, with guages and automatic shutoffs and the like. :D
lol, they make stoves/ovens with steam injection
01:40
And guages and automatic shutoffs and the like?
they make it, they're just really, really expensive
yup
yeah, figures
hmm, interest rates dropping again
that should boost gold
nod
gold has been weird lately
how so
01:42
it seems to have lost its "safe haven" appeal in a broad sense
Its acting more like a risk asset, like a regular old stock.
that stinks
It still largely moves opposite the dollar, but not always.
And silver is really languishing.
Its lagging pretty bad.
I think about half my silver investment is good because its special limited edition collectible items.
But the other half is in the red.
@jrista like what
interesting
01:49
I have some more gilded coins as well
New Zealand aligator, a couple others
The rest is just silver eagles (I think I have about 20 of them) and a couple 10-oz silver bars
oh, i forgot
i have a bunch if the chinese panda silver ounce coins as well
all of them certified high grade
nice
Thats a great way to invest in coins.
If you buy the certified MS-70 or PR-70 coins the year they are released, you might spend around $120.
Within a few years, those ones can be worth $250, and more than five years old they are worth $300-$400.
They will hold that base value, and as silver increases in price, most of the certified coins will gain as well.
When silver was up near $40 an ounce, some of the MS-70 certified silver one ounce coins were $600, $700 or so.
Gilded silver coins are newer, and some people don't like them, but I think in five years they will all be worth at least a few hundred bucks, and some of the really nice ones, like the turtle or koi, will probably be worth a lot more.
I found old listings of a 2007 gilded american silver eagle, and it was going for hundreds of dollars.
I haven't found one of those even for sale...they seem to be keepers once people have them.
 
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10:25
Anybody here?
poking with stick
@meysam yes
ow
@rfusca What's this I hear about your photographs of the US Olympic athletes? ;)
@ElendilTheTall Hey. I am sorry to wake you up. Do you think Canon 550D is a good choice for shooting movies?
depends what kind of movies you want to shoot
@ElendilTheTall It's not action. No fast moves.
Should be fine then - the AF performance is the main drawback I believe
that's really the main factor for any DSLR-as-video-camera
they all do HD video, most now have a mic jack, it's just the focusing performance
10:39
Wow. ElendilTheTall. I know that name.
@ElendilTheTall Good point. Is it possible to maintain focus on a moving subject with this camera? like a person walking?
Your gravatar used to be magenta, though.
@meysam I'm not sure, never used it - depends on the lighting
It uses contrast detection to focus, so if the contrast is good, it will focus better - e.g. a person in dark clothing against a light bg
@RegDwightB hello
I have heard some cameras use phase detection for that purpose. Should be expensive though.
avatar is dependent on e-mail address, I just input a string of random characters every so often when I get bored
@Meysam yes, much more
10:41
So are you or are you not the ElendilTheTall?
@RegDwightB ummmm, depends who the ElendilTheTall is...
I've been here on Photo SE for about 18 months
Well there was that user on ELU. Always had quality answers on offer. Then one fine day he just vanished. Nobody knows what happened. The entire account went down in a ball of flames.
I think that answers it.)))
apparently
10:43
@ElendilTheTall Canon 550D was released on 2010. Do you think there has been any other model released with the same price range and more capabilities after that?
I think some of the mirrorless Sonys are supposed to be good video cameras
the A77 has phase detection AF
I have played with the 55, it's not bad
I'm not a huge fan of EVFs but it's the best I've seen
@ElendilTheTall Seems expensive
It's brand new
You get what you pay for - you want better performance, you pay more <shrug>
@ElendilTheTall You are right. My budget is around $800 and that's what I can pay. So far I have come up with 550D for shooting videos. Just looking to see if I can buy something better with this budget.
@meysam well, the Nikon D5100 is another, that's $649
brand new and very good AF performance for video
you could afford to get a better lens with the extra cash too
i use Nikon - the build quality of lower end Nikons is better than Canon, imo
had my heart set on a Canon, went to the store, held a Nikon, switched right there
10:58
@ElendilTheTall Good suggestion. I will think of it.
Do you think 11 focus points makes significant difference vs. 9 FPs?
not significant, but it's just that bit more convenient
@ElendilTheTall How important do you think having a flip-out screen is?
I love mine (D5000)
It's great for low angle stuff
it's just really useful
11:48
@ElendilTheTall lol
 
3 hours later…
14:56
@Meysam: You should look into the Canon 650D/T4i. It has hybrid AF in video, uses focal-plane phase-shift detection AF for large discrepancies and contrast detection for small discrepancies. As far as new cameras that are great for video go, the Canon 650D is a hell of a lot better than the 550D, and barely more expensive. I think its $900, at most.
15:47
@jrista Great advice! I may go for it. thank you!
ya, for canon video, its silly not to go with the 650D in the sub 1k price range
i think it lacks a mic port though - for real work
oop, nevermind, it has one
@rfusca Great
@Meysam planning on doing a lot of video?
@rfusca Planning to shoot short films
The first script is ready
@Meysam oh fun!
you know there is avp.stackexchange.com for video
15:55
@rfusca Yaaa! a lot of fun! I am aware of AVP. I asked my question there too: avp.stackexchange.com/q/4368/2350
@Meysam Sounds fun. :)
The 650D is a pretty nice video DSLR for the price.
@jrista ya, for video
combine it with some actual video 'gear' - loupe, shoulder rig, focus puller, etc and you could shoot nicely with it
@Meysam make sure and keep us up, I'd love to see how its coming along
@rfusca Very kind of you! I will sure have a lot of things to ask while working with it and will definitely come here several times for troubleshooting :) You know, I am just an amateur
16:19
@rfusca do you egg wash your stromboli?
@rfusca rfusca rfusca rfusca rfusca!
@ElendilTheTall yes
@Meysam everybody has to start somewhere
16:35
cool
I'm just making some balsamic red onions to go in there
@ElendilTheTall good call
what all you putting in it?
peperoni, mozarella, peppadews, red onions, a little sauce.
for 'individual' size ones, how big do i need to roll out the dough?
@ElendilTheTall gosh, i really don't know offhand
I'd normally shape a 10" round for an individual pizza
thin crust
hmmm
well I guess it needs to be about 8x3" when rolled?
seems a bit small to me
oh, ya, when rolled
sorry
I don't roll the dough out too thin and I taper it slightly
the inside doesn't ever seem to rise as much, so I make one edge slightly thicer
thicker
16:41
taper?
ah, so you make a kind of trapezoid shape?
17:07
@ElendilTheTall think wedge
the dough is thicker on one edge
thats just me though
17:32
well, they're in now
I almost ate them raw, they look gooooood
@ElendilTheTall awesome
i'm sure they'll be great
They'd better be, or you're in trouble
:P
need to do homemade pizza again soon
maybe tonight
without an overnight ferment? <slap>
@ElendilTheTall <slap back> shut your mouth. I wouldn't do that. I need pizza dough on hand in the fridge, fool.
17:38
-_-
alright, I'll let you off
just this once
mmhmm
any closer to a decision on the lost city of Atlanta?
@ElendilTheTall we'll likely go, assuming the offer is what I've been lead to believe it will be
cool
hope it all goes well
@ElendilTheTall ya shrug nothing is certain yet
it could be a few weeks or it could be monday
17:41
wowsa, either way it's fast
i'll likely visit sometime before I actually move there though
what would the new job be?
@ElendilTheTall Oracle DBA for our flagship application
database admin
17:42
ah
sounds thrilling :D
but for an extra $30k a year I'd stare at a wall all day
@ElendilTheTall in a sense, it will be. I'll be stepping into a shitstorm
@ElendilTheTall lol
its an application with massive performance issues and they're all database issues
man, grass is a pain in the ass
@jrista yup
Been digging it out from my fence for weeks now
we're considering moving into an upper scale condo or such. we just don't take good care of our yard
17:48
hope you can deal with the noise
LOT of tradeoffs when moving into a communal building
@jrista ya, thats the idea behind the 'upper scale' part
My last residence WAS an "upper scale" townhome complex.
$1600 a month!
damn
ouch
upper scale doesn't mean squat when it comes to noise and neighbors
it just means it looks nice, and the units are large
they manage the grounds and stuff
but the neighbors can and usually are just as loud and obnoxious as in a cheap rental unit. The one difference with people is you usually don't get domestic disputes...you just hear couples yelling at each other through the walls periodically.
shrug
i dont' think we'll do it
but we've discussed it as an option
17:50
take the job?
or rent a condo?
getting more details next week
we've discussed a condo as an option but I don't think we'll do it
gocha
there are also duplexes
find an ancient old women to move in next to...and you'll never have problems ;P
lol
(I did that a LOONG time ago too...you also only have half a yard to deal with...which is cheaper to hire someone to manage for you.)
we almost moved into an ancient old man in a duplex before this house
it was a good thing we didn't
17:52
?
moved next to? /next to/into/gs
next to
I would indeed imagine moving INTO an ancient old man in a duplex would be a pretty terrible experience...
It seems that Canon 650D is NOT shipped with a lens (or is it?). What lens should I buy for it?
18:07
@Meysam well it really depends on the creative vision for you film
a good general purpose starter lens would probably be the new 40mm STM
18:17
@rfusca Why is it so small?
@Meysam i think its intended as a street photography lens personally - the idea being to be less obtrusive
it just really depends on the look you like
i wouldn't care much for the 40mm myself. I have a 35mm that I kinda tolerate, but I love my 85mm
lol
sorry about that... ugh
950 with the 18-55 instead of the 18-135
according to this article: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canon_EF_40mm_lens it lacks Image stabilization, Ultrasonic motor, Short back focus and Macro capability.
is i was getting a lens too i would have gone with that
@Meysam it also doesn't really need any of those...
well... macro would be nice
18:28
@chills but not really important for video - which is his intended use
true
the IS is about the only thing that would be useful for video
if you're gonna hand hold
STM is supposed to be better that USM for video too
does it only support video af with STM?
no, but afaik, STM is quieter and provides smoother focusing
still haven't really researched it all enough yet though
18:32
we had a question on it and I thought I read that video AF only worked with STM
but if its like nikon with USM - the video picks up huge amounts of noise from the USM. hence why they did STM
yeah, i think the implication is when you're using onboard audio then you can really only do STM, just because the audio will suck otherwise
yup
that was a bonus for me with the D7000 vs D3200 - they both have the same vid AF, but the D7000 has an external mic port
I'm planning on getting the 40 soon to play around with...
yeah, the mic port is pretty important...
I found that out with a little camcorder at church...
@chills42 lol yup
ya, the 40 is getting good reviews
its just not a FL i like
18:42
focal length
ahhh of course
19:23
hello
@Francesco ciao
@rfusca ciao :)
@Francesco come stai?
@rfusca abbastanza bene, grazie :) e tu? any new booking?
@Francesco hmm nothing coming up soon. I've got a couple booked a bit far out
but if I move, I'm not sure what will happen
19:27
@rfusca yeah, I was reading about that. The important question is: apart from the money, would the job be more/less interesting?
@Francesco definitely more challenging
@rfusca is it a challenge you're possibly interested into? Is the new city larger/smaller than your current one? (I guess it's much larger, but I am not sure about your current endeavours). Would you prefer to grow your sons in this larger city? These are the kinds of questions that I would ask myself, obviously you will have yours..
@Francesco ya, the challenge is one I'd enjoy
the city is much larger
about 60k here and metro atlanta is 5+ mil
We'd live in a suburb, so we'd be ok raising the kids as long as it was suitably far enough away from inside the city
@rfusca I've heard commuting in atlanta is pretty rough...
it can be, but they've got an excellent metro system
19:33
Oh, cool, that would certainly help then.
@rfusca and your wife's job ? could she move?
@Francesco she just lost her job a couple of months ago
@chills42 yup and the office I would work at is right over a train stop. literally, in the basement there is a stop for a train
@rfusca that's tough, but it also removes one constraint and makes the wage raise more interesting..
@Francesco definitely
timingwise - it couldn't be more perfect
and now, the most important question: is atlanta a good photographic location? Is it photographer friendly?
19:37
except for figuring out what to do about my presold livingsocial vouchers
@Francesco definitely, its got a pretty booming photo scene
and it would allow me to try out some street photography which is more difficult around here
@Francesco wow! cool
@chills42 it seems so: I simply searched for "photography in atlanta". Now we will have to edit that Wiki page to add rfusca :-9
we've pretty much decided that if they offer a reasonable amount of money, we're going
19:39
Hi everyone!
@Francesco definitely :D
@ruslan hola!
ok... 102.9 °F and humid is not my idea of a good time...
@chills42 ouch
May I ask you guys about nuances of color management in Photoshop ?
the car is gonna be HOT
19:40
@rfusca in italy we say "in bocca al lupo" (similar to "break a leg")
@chills42 please....thats nothing
we've been 108+
@ruslan sure, go ahead
@rfusca ouch...
thats another atlanta bonus, its about 10 degrees cooler in the summer
and a lil' warmer in the winter
I went to Atlanta once, never again
plus closer to the ocean
@Alen why is that
19:42
So.. Basically I'm confused what options in Photoshop I should enable in order to make sure that what I see on the screen represent actual colors another person with calibrated monitor will see. I posted this question: http://photo.stackexchange.com/questions/25050/does-proof-color-with-monitor-rgb-option-in-ps-ensure-that-i-see-true-colors

Could you guys please advise me on this ?
it is beyond getto there
@ruslan sorry, not my 'area' :/
@Alen oh ya, atl has really bad parts - like most big cities
@ruslan proof colors is needed when you want to know the rendition on a different device
suppose that you have a profile for a printer/paper combination: proof colors + that profile will try to show you the result on that combination and what's more important it will show if there's something out of gamut (that is, if there are colours which cannot be rendered as-is)
@Francesco Really? Interesting. What is the purpose of "Monitor RGB" option of "Proof Colors" then?
so if you put proof colors on and sRgb you are NOT using the calibrated profile, that is: the rendition good under those condition will be different from another person calibrated monitor
ruslan I am a Lightroom user, so I have only passing knowledge of PS. But a friend of mine has it, and I have calibrated his printer with my xrite color munki so I am recolleting that experience, it was basicall rather similar to LR
19:47
@Francesco Got it.
this is a Lightroom link tv.adobe.com/watch/whats-new-in-lightroom-4/… which should explain what's going on. Sorry if it's not PS, but not so different
(or at least, I hope). I didn't answer since I'm not a PS expert and didn't want to risk spreading erroneous information in an answer, but the gist of it should be as I told you. I use daily soft-proofing features of LR with different kind of papers and it's really really very userful for printing.
have to go to cook, @rfusca would be glad to be here in Rome tonight ;-)
@Francesco oooooo what you making
@Francesco I probably would be too...
@rfusca buitoni.it/ricetta/tagliata-di-manzo this one (but not buitoni, simply the recipe)
@chills42 well it's not our fault if it's the best city in the world :-)
@Francesco NICE
<---- very jealous
19:52
@rfusca juicy and tasty :-)
ok, have to go now, see you later
ciao @Francesco
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