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12:00 AM
I should have put it in one message, though.
 
RELOAD!
[rubberduck-vba/Rubberduck] 5 commits. 1 opened issue. 2 closed issues. 10 issue comments. 60 additions. 162 deletions.
 
However, I have no idea to how to add line breaks on mobile.
 
@M.Doerner LOL - that's awesome.
OK, last one (promise).
Tech debt piling up?
Have some code that really sucks?
You need Rubberduck
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12:37 AM
@M.Doerner shift+enter
 
@IvenBach on mobile
 
#ReadingFail.
It anyone know, Mug should.
test
thats a good question
 
@IvenBach that's pretty harsh, requiring them to drive a manual. Never mind that they have to also press the clutch and shift and press enter all at the same time.
and c'mon, what if you're just cruising on a highway? what reason could you have to shift then?
 
i++; // increments i https://twitter.com/Agha_Zadeh/status/1042441360555565056
#HadTo
 
12:55 AM
i++; // increments i https://twitter.com/Agha_Zadeh/status/1042441360555565056
 
facepalm
 
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Q: Can't Enter Break Mode at this time Error

Prince I am trying to do the following in one module: Replace a Public Constant in another module using a code. Call a code which uses the updated public constant However, it throws an error: "Can't Enter Break Mode at this time" Although, it still updates the public constant. I tried pressing...

Found this in the close queue getting no love. It's actually not a bad question.
 
1:50 AM
@jaredpar @onovotny @devlead @AzureDevOps I'll raise you this:
that's ..damn
 
They have more skipped tests than RD has in total. :O
 
I might be able to write as many tests as they skip in 7h 39m.
 
@Comintern edited
 
Much better. I never think to do that.
 
@Comintern that answer is bounty material
 
2:01 AM
I think I tend to go overboard when I find a question worth answering these days...
 
> If you step attempt to step through
 
@MathieuGuindon Thanks, fixed.
Apparently I need to go overboard proof-reading them too...
 
2:38 AM
just curious - there is no good reason to build unit test projects in release config, right?
 
@this compiler optimizations?
 
hmmm. true.
though I imagine it'll be fun debugging that case.
 
build local in debug, build on CI in release
 
right.
 
3:21 AM
thoughts?
 
+1 here - The alpha blend on the duck looks really nice.
 
thanks :)
 
 
2 hours later…
5:10 AM
@MathieuGuindon that is not a small number of tests!
I’ve read about CDec and CDbl and know the ranges for them differ. What I still can’t grok is how the numbers vary so much. IE how a Dec is 1E31 in terms of magnitude while Dbl is 1E308.
I’ve read about mantissa and that but exactly how it works still eludes me. Anyone know a good explanation of how the internals works?
 
 
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7:08 AM
Awesome quack @MathieuGuindon
I guess it’s expensive of overhead cpu consumption if that quack was animated while loading...
 
 
3 hours later…
9:49 AM
@MathieuGuindon Random thought - is it better to add a space between VB and IDE? I know that VBIDE is technically correct, but I suspect that many (most?) users wouldn't know\care...
And it looks awesome btw :-)
 
10:28 AM
@IvenBach Play with this: h-schmidt.net/FloatConverter/IEEE754.html to see how single & double are represented in binary. This uses a single but the principle is similar for double. With decimal, it's just a scaled integer with a fixed amount of bits used as a decimal.
 
 
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11:36 AM
@M.Doerner Thank you! :D
 
@MathieuGuindon I love the drop-shadow bringin in color
 
That background swirl - Is that the duck flushing your crappy code?
 
lol
 
@FreeMan "That background swirl - Is that the duck flushing your crappy code ing habits ?" <- TFIFY
 
One hopes that the duck isn't swimming in the said crappy code....
 
11:55 AM
Maybe the duck is similar to the Gold-Ass: It feeds on crappy code to ~~excrete~~ output something more valuable.
grml How to do a strikethrough here in chat?
 
here it's ---
not ~ as you'd expect in other MD.
 
12:13 PM
Thanks @all for the feedback! So, looks like we have a viable ducky concept for 2.3.x (and beyond, I think - thanks @ThunderFrame and @Vogel612 for the ducky work!). I'm not 100% sure about Tahoma, but it's definitely the death of Showcard Gothic. Maybe I could/should overlay the small-version "rubberduck" I use in my mail signatures (and SE profile), in the bottom-left corner, just to tie back with the old "trademark" lettering.
I'll upload the .pdn files to the repo tonight
 
awesome :)
 
@MathieuGuindon damn, sorry, I was going to get you some SVG artwork. Have been laying low the last few weeks with illness, and I'm supposed to be moving house tomorrow.
 
@ThunderFrame get well soon :)
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@ThunderFrame ^
@MathieuGuindon I agree - you guys did a great job.
You do have the standalone ducky icons, too, right?
 
@this no.. I grabbed the ducky from chat history =)
 
12:20 PM
@Vogel612 thanks. my wife's carrying the load, I'll be back to fighting fit this week hopefully.
@this I have the ducky as SVG. I forget whether I emailed a copy to Mat?
 
@ThunderFrame don't worry, get some rest! (not sure I have it, I'll check)
 
@ThunderFrame I'm not so sure about that... I haven't seen any ThunderFrame commits in the last couple of weeks... :D
 
@ThunderFrame Cool either way, we can wait on that. Only more important that we will have one eventually in the img folder.
 
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Q: Handling IE Pop-up with VBA

mmwwI have an Excel VBA macro that interacts with an intranet site through Internet Explorer to loop through a list of customers, open the customers profile, update a field and save the changes. The problem I am running into is that when I save the changes to the customers profile there is a pop-up...

 
Get well quickly and enjoy the new digs. Don't overdo it moving and make yourself worse.
 
12:23 PM
@this doesn't work works! Thank you!
(And if you know about it, dash/minus seems much more sensible than tilde.)
 
IMO everything should be done in a vector-based editor. The rasrterized editors like Photoshop and Gimp will always lose quality on each edit. I use a licensed copy of Illustrator, but the freeware vector-based Inkscape is very good. All of the image then remains vector-based, so you can apply changes later, even if you don't have the fonts installed, and you don't lose quality.
 
^
 
If we ever do more swag, or need the SVG converted to XAML, then an AI/EPS/SVG/PDF file will be required, for best results.
 
are Inkscape and Illustrator mutually compatible?
 
they both start with "I", does that count?
 
12:30 PM
Incompatible starts with an "I" as well...
 
An eye for an I!
 
@this Illustrator has a few more features than Inkscape, but Inkscape has very strong core capabilities. I had to use Inkscape once, while waiting for an Illustrator license on a job. By the time the license was approved, I was getting better results in Inkscape than Illustrator. I stick with Illustrator because I'm paying the license fee anyway, it's works better with Photoshop and other tools, it has a COM API and it has a broad library of scripts/add-ons available.
 
I figure as long we use SVG(?), then it will work for any contributors regardless of what software they use to edit the said file.... right?
 
@this yes, depending on the supported SVG features of the editor, IIUC.
If we were to use a font that only one user had installed, that user would need to convert any usages of that font to outlines, and then anybody opening the file can see the words in the right way, but any edits of the words would require new outlines be created by the user that has the font installed.
I used to use a graphic designer that always provided 2 copies of the artwork:
One with the font/text embedded, and one with those words converted to outlines.
We still had to use him for edits, but we were free to move to a new designer that had the fonts installed, and he/she wouldn't need to re-type all of the words.
I'd suggest we go with an Open Source Font.- Not because we have to (we don't), but because there are hundreds of open source fonts that are very good. For example, a bold/heavy version of Montserrat or Raleway are both open source licensed and have clean, modern appearance.
 
OSS fonts also means less licensing hassles, as well.
 
12:48 PM
@this I can take a photo of your poem in foo font. IIUC, I can't reproduce the poem without violating copyright, but I can reproduce renderings of certain words in that font without violating copyright. With fonts, it's the "computer program" that generates the kernings and spacings, and not the kernings/spacings themselves that are copyrighted.
I.e. you can copyright how a font appears, but you can copyright how a font is generated. Like all things IP, it's an ugly, uncertain world.
 
ah, #TIL
 
1:34 PM
 
1:53 PM
I tried SVG.. I suck at Inkscape :(
 
2:10 PM
Digging around in my bookmarks, I found this online design guide which is better and more up to date than the PDF/Wordpress link that I posted a few weeks ago.
 
lol, "learn it", he says
;-)
wait, what? "Office UI Fabric"?
 
@MathieuGuindon I used to be intimidated by the vector editing packages, until I had to correct the artwork on a box design one day. Took me hours, but I got there eventually, and taught myself loads in the process - necessity makes great learners of anybody game enough. Although, it is easier to learn, I think, in Illustrator, because there are so many online guides/tutorials for it.
 
tried Gimp, had to google drawing a rectangle
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The thing that threw me in Inkscape, is that you create shapes, and then, if you want, convert them to paths. In illustrator, everything starts as a path.
@MathieuGuindon same with me - I had to google that for Photoshop too.
 
I used PS, like, 20 years ago. I'd probably be utterly lost now
 
2:15 PM
TBH, why did they use name "Gimp"?
 
a gorilla met an imp, they had a gimp
 
groans
and it happesn to look like a dog?
or whatever it's supposed to be.
 
G because GNU?
 
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Q: Excel VBA update to codenames

Hery0502I have code that currently uses tab names instead of the code names. The problem is the tab names update making the code not work properly. I am looking to change the following to code names instead of tab names: Summary 1 -> Sheet6 Summary (2) -> Sheet 7 Summary (3) -> Sheet 8 Sub HideRows...

 
I suppose it's some acronym. "Graphics I Must Print" or something.
 
2:17 PM
> Bring out the Gimp
 
@Inarion sure, but gimp? Nobody paused to think that it might have a different meaning they don't want?
^^
 
GIMP (GNU Image Manipulation Program)
suppose someone found it funny back then
 
Pulp Fiction, iirc??
 
A.k.a. it seemed a Good Idea™
 
@ThunderFrame yeah that's the first time I heard of it, still doesn't make sense to me today. Too afraid to find out if it's older than that.
 
2:22 PM
Case Is = "Summary 1", "Summary (2)", "Summary (3)" :cringes:
 
I wasn't even sure how to read that...
It did strike me as rather odd though. Does it even do what the creator thinks it does?
 
@Comintern trick question - the compiler always cringes?
 
@Inarion It's exactly the same as Case "Summary 1", "Summary (2)", "Summary (3)", just with extra operators in there to mess with you.
@ThunderFrame It's probably in the spec somewhere.
 
What's the actual question?
 
@Comintern Meh, I'd expect Is to only work with objects. Seems that's not the whole truth. ;)
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Q: Excel VBA update to codenames

Hery0502I have code that currently uses tab names instead of the code names. The problem is the tab names update making the code not work properly. I am looking to change the following to code names instead of tab names: Summary 1 -> Sheet6 Summary (2) -> Sheet 7 Summary (3) -> Sheet 8 Sub HideRows...

 
2:29 PM
I bet you there are a bunch of managers missing their Summary (1) report.
 
42.1.2.3 Cringeworthy Code
<runtime semantics>
The compiler cringes.
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Well, I guess they are sent from the future, so to them this has already happened so of course they know about each other. Except of course that the future changes so Cyberdyne doesn't exist so it doesn't happen. But then, if it doesn't happen there is no-one to stop Cyberdyne from existing so... oh no my brain is leaking out my ears... — RyanfaeScotland yesterday
 
@Inarion I knew that. I was wondering what his question was...
 
@FreeMan Uh, if only I knew.
> I am looking to change the following to code names instead of tab names
This is a description of the code, right?
I think it's supposed to be on SO? As he's got a problem with the code.
 
the problem is that
> The problem is the tab names update making the code not work properly.
is a bad problem statement
wouldn't be well-received on SO
 
2:33 PM
I think OP is looking for this:
 
Select Case True
    Case wsMySheet Is Sheet1, wsMySheet Is Sheet2, wsMySheet Is Sheet3
        Debug.Print "Doing stuff"
End Select
 
@Comintern no, no, no... You need the entire objective reference from MS Open Specification Promise: [OCRINGE] - Office Cringeworthy Code Specification, because it's just as easy (if not easier) to write cringeworthy code against Office, in .NET.
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' would this work?
Select Case wsMySheet ' I dislike this name
    Case Sheet1, Sheet2, Sheet3
        Debug.Print "Doing stuff"
End Select
or does it blow up because they are objects?
 
@ThunderFrame LOL - I think I missed that footnote.
 
2:35 PM
@Inarion I wouldn't like it if it did.
 
@ThunderFrame I probably wouldn't use it. Was just wondering.
 
@Inarion That blows up. The Select Case will try to access the default member.
 
So wsMySheet Is Sheet1 needs to be explicit. Ok.
 
@Comintern I have a feeling that might not work in certain situations.
 
I don't see why not - it even works when it's late bound.
 
2:38 PM
@Comintern I think you need the TypeOf in there too, and it will sporadically work with interfaces.
@Comintern why not just use Case on the Worksheet codename? ( I haven't read the question)
 
Not sure why a reference equity test would fail on an interface.
 
morning gents
 
Any of you know a library that offers a Unique(array) function? This is the one function I miss the most from Matlab...
 
@Inarion In VBA?
 
yeah
 
2:41 PM
Scripting.Dictionary - just use the Keys
 
@Comintern It's a VBA bug - See the links in There is no worksheet
 
so i was reading the joel on code blog yesterday about hte difference between apps hungarian and systems hungarian
 
> Some tried to make worksheets Implements interfaces, and ran into issues (here too, and oh another). I completely agree with this post, which basically boils down to don’t. Whatever you do, don’t make worksheets implement an interface.
@Comintern VBA just can't work out interfaces on document-modules
 
Right, I get that, but the code above is testing the object references. It really doesn't even care about the type.
 
and in apps hungarian, you wanna use prefixes that tell what its for rather than data type
 
2:45 PM
@Comintern yep, even so, isn't it easier to just do Select Case wsMyWorksheet.CodeName?
 
which means using arg in front of my arguments so that i know i am dealing with an argument follows that
 
@Comintern I know about dicts, and I've used them to that end a couple of times. I just miss some very nice functionality (maybe just because I know what could be done with a more powerful function). It can return a vector of unique values, a vector the same length as the input array with indices pointing to the vector of unique values, and more.
 
@ThunderFrame That's not guaranteed to be unique - the reference is scoped to the Workbook - the .CodeName isn't.
 
-_-ahh jeez 50 reports of parameter can be passed by value on auto generated report code for the cancel operator
erm not operator
argument
 
@MathieuGuindon is there a reason that rubberduckvba.com doesn't incorporate Rubberduck News? Wouldn't it be better, from a branding perspective, to host the WordPress news on the Rubberduckvba site? Presumably it would be better for statistics too.
 
2:51 PM
I'd like to pull out of GoDaddy soon, so, not gonna happen - but yes, GD has WP integration
 
@Comintern If wsMyWorksheet.Parent Is ThisWorkbook Then : Select Case wsMyWorksheet.CodeName....
 
@Inarion I was thinking more of this:
Public Function Unique(inputArray As Variant) As Variant
    With New Scripting.Dictionary
        Dim idx As Long
        For idx = LBound(inputArray) To UBound(inputArray)
            If Not .Exists(inputArray(idx)) Then
                .Add inputArray(idx)
            End If
        Next
        Unique = .Keys
    End With
End Function
If you need the vector to be the same length, I'd roll a class for that.
 
@Comintern Yeah, thanks. :) I guess it'll come down to that sooner or later. It sometimes irks me that I'm spending so much time recreating functionality that is available in other languages. So I start searching for some library to do what I need, only to come up with nothing. Presumably just not the right approach for VBA.
Of course, having one's own implementation does have its benefits as well...
 
-_-
 
Stuff like that is usually quicker to write than find, and the VBA "libraries" out there have a lot of funky looking trash.
 
3:00 PM
got a crash disabling an inspection again
its probably fixed on the bleeding edge version
 
@Comintern That's confirming my suspicions. I just consider myself (in most cases) not experienced enough to reliably tell awesome piece of code from funky looking trash. ;)
Although, in between Mat's blog, the RD inspections, this' advice (and now yours too, @Comintern), I feel it's (slowly) getting better.
 
Lots of warning signs - Hungarian notation, setting everything to Nothing. Comments like 'Appease the gods of my cargo cult...
 
@Inarion I have a draft pending, currently titled "VBA Clean Code pt.1: Bad Habits"
 
@MathieuGuindon Neat! Looking forward to reading it! :)
 
@Comintern isnt it Systems Hungarian that is a problem though? not Apps Hungarian?
 
3:09 PM
@KySoto You won't find much Apps Hungarian on the interwebs.
 
thats true
 
Apps Hungarian was useful at the time. In a modern language they'd have ScreenCoordinate and PixelCoordinate structs (or whatever), to take the article's examples
 
fair enough
huh
it looks like visual studio crashed making a brand new visual basic.net project too
 
Speaking of which... there is an update to VSCE which I tried applying at home, but something went wrong (I may have aborted it - it was a couple of nights ago, I don't remember) but it didn't crash.
Now it's still got the update notification, but it won't actually update. I left it running last night when I left for > 2 hours and it was still twiddling its thumbs doing nothing when I got back.
May have to un/reinstall...
 
@KySoto does a new C# project crash? ;0)
 
3:19 PM
@Comintern FWIW, the bit about setting to Nothing is not without precedents, though - there was a known bug in one version of DAO library (3.5? ) where if you didn't Set rs = Nothing, you leaked memory.
 
@this but, doing it today is still cargo-cultism
 
@FreeMan I don't dispute that. I'm only saying I can understand why they do it since they were either bitten by that bug or was told by others who got bitten themselves. Coding defensively isn't that big of a sin, IMO.
 
@MathieuGuindon its not the creation, its hte saving
when it is moving hte project from the temp projects folder to the normal place id save
the dev team asked for a crash dump
and they explicitly asked for a .zip file and they take forever to make
i prefer 7z files
 
3:37 PM
@this True - that's probably the source of the "set all the things to nothing myth".
 
the bad thing about that is that even after they fixed the bug, programmers had to put it in just in case it got run by a older computer using that buggy version.
Enter the noobs, and they see it sprinkled all over.... "must be The Way To Do Things.@" and set up the straw tower.
 
oh wow. just noticed that i have like 50 people following my crash bug
 
@KySoto Under the microscope :D
@this @FreeMan Agreed on coding defensively. For another example, just think of all the ways that VBA works 90% of the time for assumptions but gets you the other 10%, so you must code explicitly all the time to avoid that. Powershell has similar issues.
I'm a big fan of coding defensively.
@MathieuGuindon Looking forward to reading this as well.
 
3:59 PM
@puzzlepiece87 come to think of that. I think my posh script for build has lot of that. TBH, I really do not like posh that much; too many surprises for my liking.
 
4:18 PM
@MathieuGuindon You sure you can't hire me for RD full time?
I'm pretty frustrated with my current work :(
 
Crucial! Use Excel tables to your advantage, especially when doing data analysis! Understanding Excel's misunderstood 'Format as Table' icon: https://buff.ly/2MgbFI3 #excel #MicrosoftExcel #ExcelTips #Productivity
 
Just kidding :P
 
@Hosch250 if you accept praise for payment, sure!
 
LOL.
I wish I could.
 
the plus side is that all that praise gets deposited in your own account ;0)
that said if I win the lottery, I'm totally hiring y'all full-time
 
4:27 PM
I wouldn't @MathieuGuindon. I'd put it in my retirement account.
A few million doesn't last that long.
 
4:39 PM
depends on the amount
but yeah some go crazy
 
So, today I had to try to explain that a website isn't a PDF viewer/editor.
I have two features to build on top of our most horrible systems in two weeks.
I'd guess that to get the bugs out of them it'll take at least an additional 5 after they get in.
And I'm not certain I'll be able to get them both completely in.
And it's always awesome when you get to check in changes in untested and untestable code.
Like, where you literally can't even F5 debug it.
Because it relies on data being there over several days.
Oh, and I've got some other frustrating things to go over. If you are interested, I can discuss them after hours (while my colleagues are busy deploying this crap code to prod).
So, you know that codeless code about the guy who built the tower hanging off the edge of the cliff that kept falling apart.
I swear our codebase is a spitting image.
Also, TFW you realize you have a test that has about 200 lines of mock code.
 
4:54 PM
Meh, I currently in the process of implementing a "shadow API" for our software for my own internal use because the actual API is such a buggy POS.
 
LOL.
 
Not enough users for them to justify fixing it, and I'm the only one that really stresses it.
 
5:12 PM
@Comintern then you can be like... can you replace your trash API with the one i built?
 
@KySoto Nah, I'm also extending it with features that shouldn't be used externally.
 
5:37 PM
ahh i see. well it was worth a shot eh?
 
Ugh. I can hardly wait to go on a rant until I'm on my own computer.
I swear. If something goes through that someone is pushing for, I'll have to quit. I've already been through this in other projects.
I swear that the design is half our problem and lack of design is the other half.
 
@puzzlepiece87 Been a while since seeing you. How are things going?
@Hosch250 <joke>I see you've come to enjoy working. Feels great to be working doesn't it?</joke>
 
5:56 PM
@IvenBach Sometimes!
 
Most people (non-pineapples) enjoy working. It's specific parts of the job they dislike.
 
You know, I like working 6 hours a day and doing some hard exercise for an hour or two too.
It's these 10 hour days working with other people's problems that gets to me.
 
Bottle up any disgruntelment and unhappy feelings. Use them as fuel and a catalyst to learn and grow your skillset. #I'mDoingJustThat and look at what it's done for me. :+1:
 
Good luck doing that for me.
I'm explicitly disallowed in my contract from doing any "work" besides work on my work computer or on work time.
And since everything I'm assigned at work is below my level...
 
Plenty of fuel for growth then! Home time learning. Yeah I know it's hard when you're tired getting home.
 
6:07 PM
Not just tired, but drained from not learning anything during the day.
Or for the past several months.
 
@Comintern If you develop and test against a not-buggy version of the API, then deploy against the buggy version, won't your code break when it hits bugs it wasn't expecting? Or are you mocking the bugs, too?
 
I think he's implementing a wrapper around the API.
So he only has to deal with the bugs in one place.
 
@FreeMan It's all for internal use. I convert data from third party software into ours.
@Hosch250 That was my first go around. I'm in the process of completely replacing it with managed code now.
The existing code base is coupled tighter than a freak'n drum head, so using the existing code is a nightmare.
 
@Comintern Are we living in the same world?
That's half the problems with our codebase too.
 
@Hosch250 Is that world 1990?
 
6:16 PM
I think it's world 2018?
 
I think that's where most of the design "patterns" came from.
 
You just triggered me.
That's one of my rants that's coming up.
 
Sorry, i misunderstood. I haven't done the code for the button, but yeah it'd probably just be .Show Do you mean FormName.New instead? or does "New it up" refer to the code i pasted above? — Frederik 1 min ago
I give up
read the damn link
 
But it's shown when a different button is pressed.
"That's not a duplicate, my code looks nothing like that!"
 
6:21 PM
@Duga 6 to go!
 
Then RD is fully possessed and belches out condemning quacks at all the poorly written code?
 
> i find it weird you can thumbs-up your own posts
> i'm just going to do htat from now on all my posts.
> so many people are going for putting "implemented c# language feature" on their resume
> i'm going for "removed c# language feature" :smile:
 
@IvenBach Everything's going great, thanks! Even though I don't hang out in this room explicitly, I keep an eye on it from the "other rooms you're in" feed. I'm always in one of the other rooms.
Had a nice date night with Mrs. Puzzle last weekend - cutesy art project, lunch at a new place, movie. How are you doing?
 
Making progress on groking concepts. Catching up on writing some posts and then will see about diving into a RD issue.
 
@Hosch250 Sorry your job situation hasn't improved.
 
6:25 PM
It has in some aspects.
 
@IvenBach Good stuff. Any other news from RL?
 
I've gotten some traction to get some things (not architectural things) cleaned up.
But the architecture is screwed and I'm seriously concerned they are trying to screw it even more.
 
@Hosch250 I'm glad to hear that even though overall you're still stuck.
That's very discouraging, I agree.
 
@puzzlepiece87 2 previous classmates referred me for separate positions in the same company. Hopefully something will materialize from it.
 
I asked to be a sit-in member of the architect team, and even agreed to keep my mouth shut so I could pick up on their knowledge.
Response was negative.
 
6:26 PM
@IvenBach You probably don't feel comfortable linking to your resume, right?
 
They don't want you learning all their secrets.
 
So, here I am stuck in a bubble with my own knowledge and not being able to either learn or change things.
@IvenBach Perhaps it's the other way--they want to hide that they have no secrets ;P
 
@Hosch250 Ah yes, always good to deny your employees growth opportunities, that always fuels job satisfaction and low turnover.
 
@IvenBach Good luck!
 
@puzzlepiece87 Send me an email. <ChatName>@ gmail.com
 
6:27 PM
@Hosch250 This hahaha
 
Thanks.
Even if nothing happens I'm still learning tons that I can use for the rest of my career.
 
@IvenBach Sent.
@Hosch250 My job frustrations are significantly less than yours, but if it makes you feel any better, I'm having to go through multiple approval layers, multiple times, as I change a single date parameter on multiple queries (the lower bound date).
Because they have been locking down the enterprise database scheduler super duper tight.
 
WT*.
Tell them to let you flippin' do your job.
At least my problems are strictly out of my pay grade.
TBH, my boss wouldn't object to letting me do things on company time, as long as I kept up with my work.
She's been sending me a lot of the new feature requests.
 
@Hosch250 I feel similarly to this :D
But considering that I started as Business Analyst 1, I'm kind of in the sames shoes as you lol
 
If it weren't for my dog, I'd take a couple algorithm/math classes and go get an internship at MS.
 
6:36 PM
I've been promoted and moved to different tracks by being Process Improvement Man-Man-Man-Man but as of the moment my job has no formal inclusion of "Do lots of IT improvement because they're completely outgunned" :D
(Also, it probably will never include such a thing because I am not at all eager to formally include myself in agile development here (read: 70% of tags recur every week because you're doing the same thing over and over again because it hasn't been automated, 30% of tags from the business partners who tell you what to do))
I'd much rather be the business partner doing the telling until the business jobs disappear in 10-15 years (imo, I know others here disagree)
@Hosch250 Yup, I remember the rumblings about that :) Hopefully some happy middle ground comes up for you. A dog-friendly location with a company ready to let you help them take the next step.
 
With a GS, I'll need a house. Apartments don't like any dogs, and renting (apparently) doesn't like GS at all.
 
@Hosch250 Yup, so you're stuck. That's why it's especially sad to hear about your work's architecture.
 
It's not as bad as it could be, thank goodness.
 
^ You could be coding databases in Excel like me.
 
@IvenBach That's the kind of pain I'm into right there >:D
 
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@IvenBach Look. I may enjoy hitting my head against brick walls, but I'm not suicidal.
 
@IvenBach I'd do that in a heartbeat if I find a position at a comparable salary.
When I first taught myself to code I had a job kind of like that - I got it down from taking me 8 hours a day to like 15 minutes. Lots of "free time" at work.
 
Hence my frequent occupancy at the pond.
 
lol
 

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