Hub of Reason

6:00 AM

@Borror0: So the Wiki article says that Québec is not so irreligious... how come?

@Cerberus That data is 10 years old and, in Québec, being Catholic is this tag you don't really shrug off. A bit like atheist Jews. The best label for most Québecois would be apatheist.

ThisIstheId

you mean apatheist?

Cerberus

Aphateist?

Ah,

Greetings, Id.

Borror0

I blame the hour

ThisIstheId

Glad to be here.

Cerberus

6:02 AM

So what is an apatheist?

ThisIstheId

So wikipedia has one definition that I'm not too thrilled with

but...

Borror0

They go to church at Christmas, they marry in a church, and that's about it.

Cerberus

And, Borr, don't you think this label - real belief dichotomy applies to a lot of other countries too?

ThisIstheId

Apatheism (a portmanteau of apathy and theism/atheism), also known as pragmatic atheism or (critically) as practical atheism, is acting with apathy, disregard, or lack of interest towards belief, or lack of belief in a deity

Cerberus

Ah, thanks, Id.

ThisIstheId

6:03 AM

actually that's better than I thought it was

someone must of edited it recently

Borror0

Basically, de facto atheist

ThisIstheId

So I feel like there should be two types of apatheism if we want to be strict about it

Cerberus

I just block out when I see portmanteaus of Greek or Latin words that are wrong.

ThisIstheId

De facto atheist

Borror0

I rarely, rarely hear anyone my age talk about god, prayer, or anything religious

ThisIstheId

6:04 AM

or someone who actively believes that it doesn't matter whether god exists

Josiah

hello there Id

ThisIstheId

Hi Josiah

Borror0

A former girlfriend summed apatheism pretty well once "If there's a god, that's cool; if there isn't, that's cool too."

Cerberus

Hi Jos

Borror0

That's generally the feeling among the youth here.

ThisIstheId

6:05 AM

Also a definition I endorse

Josiah

Hello again Cerberus

It's too simple.

ThisIstheId

But nice and pithy

Cerberus

In my circles, I think nearly everybody is atheist

Josiah

although my ex probably would have agreed

most of my friends are, there were a few 'agnostics' but we took care of that

Cerberus

Hmm...

ThisIstheId

6:06 AM

Given that the attitude is one of something not mattering, pithy and cute is probably a good virtue in a definition.

Borror0

lol

Cerberus

Hehe "took care of that"

Josiah

"Do you believe in god?"

'no'

"You're an atheist"

'NO I AM NOT'

I just asked over and over until they figured it out

Cerberus

Haha does it really go like that.

Josiah

it tends to

Cerberus

6:07 AM

You lived in America?

And you, Id?

Josiah

it's that "I'm neither so I'm superior to both."

I live in Kansas

Borror0

@cerberus So, anyway, when people get asked what their religion is they say "Catholic" because that's what they were raised in but they don't practice and often don't believe.

ThisIstheId

In my circle of friends?

I'm Midwest born, and since college I've been coast hopping

Cerberus

Ah, that sounds rather religious to me, Kansas?

Borror0

I think that, my generation's kids will be 95%+ atheist except maybe immigrants

Josiah

6:08 AM

Right in the middle. Not as many churches as the south, but almost.

Cerberus

Ah ok, Midwest sounds religious too...

Josiah

Still have a lot of rednecks and farmers, but they're generally not too bad.

Cerberus

@Borror0, Okay, but the same applies to the southern half of my country.

ThisIstheId

Heh raised hardcore catholic

catholic grade school, high school, priest cousin, 2 priest training friends back home

Cerberus

@Borror0, and the percentage of people calling themselves irreligious would be higher than the numbers on Wikipedia, I believe.

Priest training, that sounds hardcore indeed.

Josiah

6:10 AM

We're a special segment that I can't think is fully reported in surveys.

ThisIstheId

well I figure one of them will end up a priest

Josiah

If I'm to believe my protestant father, catholic priest training isn't hardcore at all

ThisIstheId

The other one likes getting laid too much to give it up.

Cerberus

Haha.

Josiah

(We were making fun of Fox News' pocket Catholic Priest)

Cerberus

6:11 AM

Oh dear, Fox...

ThisIstheId

Actually this particular brand of Catholicism is pretty decent both in terms of the rigor of training and the producing people who aren't assholes.

Josiah

Stossel did a show on skepticism.

Borror0

@ThisIstheId He's gonna be a Catholic priest. He's gonna get laid as well...

Josiah

He had James Randi and Michael Shermer.

HAHA GET IT? YOUR COUSIN WILL RAPE CHILDREN

Cerberus

I must say I still find it interesting how the American bipertial system forces immensely diverging groups together, such as religious farmers and atheist rich capitalists

Josiah

6:12 AM

it doesn't sound as funny that way for some reason @Borror0

ThisIstheId

@Cerberus, thank Ronald Regan for that one.

Josiah

bipertial?

Cerberus

Eh, bipartial.

Bipartisan?

Borror0

I think he meant bipartial

Josiah

ah, okay

I thought so too, but foreign people so far have a better vocabulary than I do, so I figure it's safer to ask.

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Cerberus

6:13 AM

Right - to be honest, I had no idea whether that was a word so I made something up, though the e was a typo.

Borror0

/star

Cerberus

Haha Jos, lies.

ThisIstheId

@Josiah: My cousin, no. My friends, def not children, but full grown women, and consensually, I wouldn't be surprised.

Even if they do commit to a life of "celibacy"

Borror0

@Cerberus In English, they apparently talk about "a two party system" rather than bipartism.

Josiah

@ThisIstheId I was trying to make what @Borror0 said sound crass.

bipartisan means a two party system

they actually have third parties essentially locked out

ThisIstheId

6:14 AM

@Josiah: I know I was responding to the stereotype by being pompous.

Cerberus

@Borror0: Hmm... I think I heard someone say something like "x-partial" that referred to political parties, today.

ThisIstheId

@Josiah: :P

Josiah

Those of us in the fringe politically consider it one big party tricking people.

Cerberus

Aka. "the establishment"?

Josiah

Pretty much.

Cerberus

6:16 AM

You sound like Wilders hehe.

Josiah

For local elections, we have to be a little careful. The state party can't help much. For Federal elections, though, the state party won't help.

Borror0

In Canada, we eventually got tired and we have four or five political party that get seats. Only two have an actual shot at being in power, but there are more than two which is more than Americans can say.

Josiah

If you run in a federal election, you're on your own.

We have three, it's just that only two can usually win.

Borror0

Now, if w could get proportional representation...

Cerberus

In Holland, the biggest two parties have about 20% each.

Josiah

6:17 AM

more than three, the rest are even less useful than mine.

That would be awesome, but we already have our two parties and they won't give it up

And people wonder why Americans like guns so much.

Cerberus

One of the most probably government coalitions after last elections was a 5-party government.

Borror0

@Cerberus The biggest party here has 36% of votes, but that's because it's ALL the political right united in one party while the left is split in four parties.

Cerberus

Is that Canada or Québec?

Borror0

Canada

Québec is a two party province

Cerberus

@Josiah: Isn't it possible the Reps will split up in Tea Party and the Rest?

@Borror0: Incidentally, how do you type accents?

Borror0

6:20 AM

One party wants to quit Canada; the other wants to stay. As for the rest, they pretty much say the same thing. Some good, some bad.

Josiah

@Cerberus, no. Not at all.

Cerberus

I use an AHk script btw.

Josiah

The tea party needs the rest to get elected.

Borror0

anyway, off to bed

Night all

Josiah

It actually will most likely consolidate the Republicans more.

Cerberus

6:20 AM

Hmm... they probably need the party system; but for how long?

Ok bye Bor!

Actually I should go to bed too, it is 7.21 am...

Vitaly

I don't know how he types his accents, but I find a custom keyboard layout useful under MS Windows.

Josiah

Forever. What keeps my party (libertarians, in Europe liberals IIRC) so useless is the election laws.

It costs so much money to run in an election here.

Even if someone can afford to run for a federal seat, the state party can't help them.

Cerberus

@Vitaly: I think I once tried that, but an AHK script seemed easier, and in fact it is quite easy.

ThisIstheId

It is unfortunate that libertarian ideals have gotten so wrapped up in the tea party politics since they are not economic libertarians at all

Cerberus

So why does it cost so much? Fees, or campaigning?

Josiah

6:22 AM

They aren't. I tried to warn people that they were just paying lip service to it, then were going to switch to being super conservative super christians.

Vitaly

@Cerberus, maybe, I just press the right alt, an accent key, and a letter key.

Josiah

Campaigning, sort of.

ThisIstheId

They didn't even wait until being elected though was the great part of it.

Also, I should go to sleep. G'night everyone.

Vitaly

àáäâãå

Josiah

The reporting laws are severe, and the threshold for federal reporting is low.

Vitaly

6:23 AM

G'night.

Cerberus

@Vitaly: Ah. I see. I just don't like holding down keys. For ç, I just press c,, in succession.

Josiah

So if the state party helps a federal candidate too much, the state then has to hire an accountant to track it and all sorts of other stuff I was never told much about.

Cerberus

Bye Id!

Vitaly

accolade?

accept?

Josiah

I ran for state house of representatives.

Borror0

6:24 AM

@Josiah Would you, as a Libertarian, still support campaign financing limits?

Josiah

@Borror0, of course not.

I'm a libertarian FFS

Cerberus

@Vitaly, what do you mean?

Borror0

@Cerberus My keyboard setting makes it easy to do so

Vitaly

@Cerberus the words have two c's in succession, don't they?

Cerberus

@Josiah: Pretty interesting, I didn'ty know parties at different levels couldn't cooperate.

Borror0

6:25 AM

@Josiah So you don't mind the super rich controlling political parties?

Josiah

@Cerberus, they make it very hard to. They have the funds to afford the attorneys and accountants and can properly follow the federal law.

We can't afford all that, so we're just fuck.

@Borror0, not really.

Cerberus

@Vitaly: I mean I type a c followed by two commas. For é, I type an e and then two slashes.

Josiah

I don't believe in a form of government that can be that easily abused, if you recall.

Borror0

@Cerberus for me, ç is just one key right to the left of the enter button

Vitaly

Anyway, this is what currently mapped to my keyboard (and I find it easy!): ƿę€óþ’‘łȝœæŋðśążź©ń“”…∈∃√⊂⊃∪∞∅↔←→“„‐−‒∂∫∀∩«»¿»≠—±×⊕˽ს≈¬∓⊗忿‐—–―⁃−‒˚˜∉∄⊄⊅∨∏↚↛Δ∑∧≤≥

Cerberus

6:27 AM

@Borror0: But what about all the other accents?

Vitaly

And of course the Aa-Zz, Аа-Яя, 1-9, etc.

Josiah

fucking unicode

Vitaly

=D

Josiah

In the old days I would never have to see your backwards R

Cerberus

@Vitaly: Okay, so you use modifier keys for most?

Vitaly

6:28 AM

Yeah.

Borror0

@Cerberus I press the é key for é. I press the è key for è. I press the à key for à. I press the ^ and the e key for ê. I think you get the idea.

Josiah

My keyboard only has real letters, sorry.

Borror0

Your keyboard sucks

Cerberus

@Borror: Okay, so you have separate keys for a few accented letters, probably all you need in French.

Vitaly

+1

Borror0

6:29 AM

@Josiah It doesn't even have numbers!

Cerberus

@Josiah: Awww...

Josiah

There are plenty of numbers.

There just aren't gay french numbers, like yours.

Borror0

@Josiah Numbers != Letters

Cerberus

@Vitaly: I'm sorry to go on about this, but... don't you find modifier keys annoying when you are typing fast?

Borror0

n00b

Cerberus

6:29 AM

BRB

Josiah

I didn't say only has letters. Only the real ones.

Borror0

anyway, night

Josiah

Referring to the letters.

Sleep well.

I'll probably be going too.

Vitaly

@Cerberus No, I think. My typing speed is about 120 WPM at peak, so it couldn't be realistically slowed down by modifier keys. And then, thinking about a reply typically takes a lot more time than typing it.

Josiah

@Vitaly, that's your problem. Stop thinking so much.

Cerberus

6:32 AM

Bye Borr!

Haha, poor Vit.

@Vitaly: Well, thinking before you type is something more people should do.

Do you guys have any idea how I could make my right shift key a dead key with minimum effort?

Meh was that a connection error?

I think I should be going to bed too.

Okay I think this is some kind of connection error...

See you guys later!

Vitaly

Later @Cerberus

Cerberus

Adios!

Tshepang

6:50 AM

pls check if my edts have improved this question

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Q: Pros and cons of ethical theories?

this will be more suitable for Philosophy site once it gets created There's a whole bunch of atheistic ethical theories out there. Please provide the strengths and weaknesses of ones you have studied? note: If you have studied more than one, please provide a separate answer for each (so that...

Tshepang

7:01 AM

@Borror0 can we go remove all those comments?

oh, I see u only made one

I've changed, so can u delete it

Borror0

3:06 PM

Am I not supposed to have the Enlightened badge for the "Is science the religion of atheists?" question, or am I not understanding it properly?

I was the first to answer, it had +10 score, and it is accepted. Am I missing anything?

mfg

3:24 PM

did they accept another answer first then switch to yours? also, it may have just not updated yet

oh i dont know if youre interested in US policy advice, but here was an interesting one i came across this morning

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Q: As the current draft stands, what is the most significant change the "National Strategy for Trusted Identities in Cyberspace" will provoke?

A current draft of the "National Strategy for Trusted Identities in Cyberspace" has been posted by the Department of Homeland Security. This question is not asking about privacy or constitutionality, but about how this act will impact developers' business models and development strategies. When ...

web-development development-process business legal identity

its basically an open call by the government for implementation solutions for establishing identity online

Borror0

Ya. I had heard of that.

It's not exactly that, if I remember.

It's more "we offer you a service you can opt in if you want, that you can trust more than, ummm, Gawker"

Basically, an optional driving license of the internet

mfg

3:56 PM

@Borror0 ha, gawker. godam that spun me around. gotta hand it to people using hashed passwords

Borror0

As a side note, the distrust in your gov't in always fascinating to watch

When we have a problem, we talk about a national policy

mfg

@Borror0 "myth of the rugged individual"

Borror0

I mean, that trust is not always well-placed (see: the firearm registry cost overruns) but it's a lot smarter than whatever alternatives you guys usually pick (which, most often, is going nothing)

mfg

@Borror0 its not trust in the government itself; its mistrust of their ability to implement. their concepts or motivations are frequently well received, its the products that suck

Borror0

It can't be as bad as the firearm registry

mfg

4:09 PM

whose registry?

Canadian Firearms Registry

The Canadian Firearms Registry is part of the Firearms Act and is managed by the Canadian Firearms Program of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP). It requires the registration of all guns in Canada. It was introduced by the Liberal government of Prime Minister Jean Chrétien and implemented by successive Justice Ministers Allan Rock and Anne McLellan. This was an effort to reduce crime by making every gun traceable. The net annual operating cost of the program is reported to be $66.4 million for the 2010-2011 fiscal year. Any person wishing to obtain a firearm must first acquire a Po...

@Borror0 i take it in practice this is one of those "keeps the legal people legal and the illegal illegal, but punishes accidents on the part of legal carriers when they forget to renew or something?"

Borror0

The logic is sound. It's just that the cost to get the system working were enormous

mfg

oh, all i saw was that it nets $66M, which i read to mean it currently generates that money (ie from registering fees etc)

completely misread it

Borror0

Now, it runs on about 4 million per year which is negligible and worth it

mfg

yeah sounds like an albatross, do canadiens need to register/get licensed to carry?

Borror0

It's madatory

Anyway, the logic behind it was that "if people need to register their firearms, they'll be very careful of what happens to them"

mfg

4:18 PM

yeah, makes a certain sense. but the people who think to register their firearms arent losing their guns

ie, smuggling from the US probably results in more unregistered guns than people's negligence toward their guns.

Borror0

I think you skipped words there

mfg

does it work like, when the mounties roll up on a house and it has a cache of unregistered guns those are extra fines?

Borror0

It seems to have the desired effect. It's just, in retrospect, we're not sure we'd have paid billions for timid billions for it. The part where i see it being the most useful is when/if we outlaw types of firearms. Then, the smuggiling of those firearms will be practically stopped

@mfg Yup, though right now there still is a grace period for another year

The conservative gov't in power has a lot of MPs from rural areas

mfg

if you outlaw high capacity submachine guns, and you have a listing of owners of those guns, then the govt could send them a letter... but im not sure it would curtail smuggling

Borror0

If the gov't outlaw, say, handguns if your handgun is later found in a crime scene you're liable as the legal owner of the firearm.

Probably for a fine, but I'm not sure what's the law vis-a-vis all that

mfg

4:23 PM

@Borror0 right, i think if a similar system were implemented in the US its constitutionality would be challenged immediately

theres a whole chain of custody problem; ie if you sell someone a gun, then they commit a crime the shop-owner cannot be held liable in any way. likewise an individual; i suppose there might be some transference paperwork under the course of a gun sale?

Borror0

Correct. when you seel a gun legally, there's a bit of paper work

The most common argument to defend the paper work is "you license your car, why not license your gun?"

mfg

@Borror0 makes sense, alright im out for a bit

Borror0

5:37 PM

He's a good example of Poe's law in action:

well: you are wrong!!! Global Warming is a lie put forth by the eskimo mafia in order to get funds from UN, a NWO front!!!

Its all true, just like that the nazies had help from aliens during WW2!!!

Thank GOD for Alex Jones who report THE REAL NEWS!!

But im guessing that you already live in the matrix or are some kind of zionist-satanic atheist-NWO-supporter!!!!

Is he really crazy or being sarcastic?

Josiah

That is a Poe.

Borror0

8:18 PM

@mfg define "practical sense"

Vitaly

9:16 PM

I am curious how someone in possession of a map different from mine would interpret my current gravatar. @Borror0

Borror0

"A weird symbol"

Vitaly

No, I mean you in particular.

Borror0

I wasn't even sure it was lambda before you confirmed it

Vitaly

You already know that it's an amalgam of the atheist symbol and the lambda.

XD

Borror0

I thought it was but I wasn't sure

Vitaly

9:18 PM

Well, now you do know.

I have just coloured it a bit.

With a view to adding one or two allusions.

So I am interested mainly in how you would interpret the current gravatar, knowing that it's a lambda etc.

Borror0

Spot the circular logic:
Not completely, actually. Given that the term "god" is meaningless it can't be attached to anything of meaning. Attaching a term to an existing entity would render the term meaningful (it would mean that entity to which it refers). Being that the term is meaningless there is no entity to which it refers. Being that the term "God" does not refer to any entity, there can be no entity to which it refers...ergo there is no God. Thus an ignostic is a hard atheist who can logically defend the proposition that there is no God.

Vitaly

lol

You actually bothered to read it?

Borror0

It was upvoted!

Vitaly

I usually stop reading stuff like that after a few first sentences

Unless it's been recommended by someone I trust (as Yudkowsky)

I am convinced that it's a useful heuristic, 'till someone proves me wrong. XD

Josiah

hm

how do I link a gravatar to this?

Borror0

9:26 PM

Do you have a gravatar account?

Vitaly

Here is what I did:
1. I followed the “add a gravatar” (or whatever) link in my profile (appears when you press Edit)
2. I created a gravatar account using the same e-mail address I use on this website
3. I uploaded a picture from my computer
4. I chose it as the main picture for my e-mail address
5. I waited a few minutes

Borror0

@Vitaly It's hard to tell. So many different meanings to lambda... trying to denote an empty string (ie no god) + a reference to computer science?

Vitaly

Here is my interpretation:
1. It has a lambda, which points to maths and lambda-calculus/mathematical logic in particular.
2. It has the atheist logo, which says that I identify with atheism.
3. The lambda in almost inscribed in a circle, which says I like the Half-Life series.
4. The colour of the lambda/atheist logo is electric cyan (00ffff), which is also known as aqua. This refers simultaneously to physics (electric), chemistry (cyanide), and biology (water).
5. The area around it is black, which symbolises ignorance etc.

And about a dozen additional slight allusions, which are esoteric (so I won't mention them)

What about yours, @Borror0? Is it intended to mean luck/chance? I figured out it could, when I read the Wikipedia article about the icosahedron, that says the d20 is used to determine success and failure in D&D

I am afraid I couldn't see any particular order in the numbers on the sides of the icosahedron. :P

Borror0

@Vitaly It's a reference to chance and my gamers origins

Vitaly

Ah, I see. XD

Borror0

9:42 PM

It's mostly a joke on the whole "it couldn't have all happened by chance" argument

Vitaly

Oh! Now this makes more sense.

Me likey.

One of the most obvious slight allusions would be references to Haskell (a programming language), a reference to colour models and design (you can't print the aqua colour without white ink, which is at the centre)

and computers and electronics in general (cyan is often used in old displays)

and whatever can be associated with aqua (aqua vitae, aqua regia) :D

Borror0

Due, some of thsoe are impossible to get with such a small image

Vitaly

You can always enlarge it.

I wanted to add the Pythagorean theorem too, but that would disrupt the smoothness of the lower cathetus.

And if you get all this, you also could understand who is my favourite classic writer (James Joyce). XD

Vitaly

10:06 PM

Great, now we have questions about astrology.

Or a question.

I have never had to debate a believer in astrology, so I wonder, isn't it enough to point out that planets and stars are rocks and gases (approximately) in space, not a picture in the sky?

Borror0

10:20 PM

"For a long time we couldn't understand how heat worked. It's not because we don't understand how stars and planets influence our behavior that it's false." would be the answer.

Josiah

oh

then mine should change soon

it has!

Borror0

@Vitaly planetwaves.net/pagetwo Read a bit of this blog if you want to see how they think

Vitaly

I see

so how would they answer if I asked what would convince them that astrology is poppycock?

Borror0

That's a valid question I have never seen asked

Josiah

I did that today.

Borror0

10:35 PM

Confirmation bias is such a bitch

If there is a bias I would remove, it would be in my top 5

Josiah

having reasonable friends is pretty awesome

Borror0

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Conspiracy Theories and Conspiracy Theorists

Proposed Q&A site for people wanting to know what's REALLY going on!

Currently in defintion.

Yelp

Vitaly

wow...

Borror0

"Are the Mythbusters really working for the government in an attempt to create a false sense of confidence in the normal population?" <3

Vitaly

Poe?

Borror0

10:48 PM

Poe

Vitaly

Ping?

Borror0

@Josiah area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/8565/…

Josiah

11:01 PM

hm?

Borror0

Typed in wrong window + for some reason I had @josiah written already

Vitaly

11:32 PM

@Borror0 Could you find any good pictures of the Montreal Metro? I want to compare it with the Moscow Metro. Just to give a rough idea what kind of pictures I would want to see, here are some of the Moscow Metro:
http://russos.ru/img/metro/plrev/plrev-60.jpg
http://russos.ru/img/metro/partizanskaya/akvarel-62.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/da/Delovoi-Tsentr.jpg
http://russos.ru/img/metro/partizanskaya/akvarel-34.jpg
http://russos.ru/img/metro/vorgori/vorgori-18.jpg
http://static.panoramio.com/photos/original/6002102.jpg

Borror0

okay, you're just showing off

Vitaly

:))))

Not my fault our Metro is the best. :P

Borror0

Ours was built in the 60s, so most of the design is a bit dated

Just you wait until Québec City has its own metro!

Vitaly

Some of the pictures I linked to are of stations built in the 1940s.

Borror0

lol

Vitaly

11:40 PM

The one with sculptures, the one with ornate lamps, and the one with stained glass.

Borror0

60s != 40s

Vitaly

60s in Canada = 80s in Russia.

So yeah.

Borror0

Um, no

Vitaly

We always lagged behind in progress.

And we still are.

There are only 120nm-process integrated circuits produced in Russia now.

And the US? 25 nm.

So our 40s is like your 1900s, 20 years of lagging behind and World War II

Borror0

I'm talking about design

The aesthetic, if you prefer

Vitaly

11:47 PM

lol

though, speaking about our technological progress, we were better at clever exploitations of physics

there is an anecdotal story which I heard from one of the professors at uni to illustrate this

so, it goes as follows, the US are developing incredibly expensive and involved satellites equipped with battle lasers

Borror0

Though you may have a point with Russia lagging behind

Vitaly

what would our engineers do? they would just launch a container with steel balls into space

Borror0

Last I met Russian kids, they had freaking mullets

Vitaly

and a swarm of those steel balls would easily destroy the American satellites

and would be thousands of times cheaper

powned.

Borror0

Space Pen

The Space Pen (also known as the Zero Gravity Pen), marketed by Fisher Space Pen Company, is a pen that uses pressurized ink cartridges and is claimed to write in zero gravity, upside down, underwater, over wet and greasy paper, at any angle, and in extreme temperature ranges. The Fisher Space Pen was invented by American industrialist and pen manufacturer Paul C. Fisher and is manufactured in Boulder City, Nevada, United Stated of America. Paul C. Fisher first patented the AG7 "anti gravity" pen in 1965. Pens claiming some or all of the same abilities have also appeared on the market from...

Vitaly

11:53 PM

lol

yeah, you Westerners spend millions of dollars on some space pens

when a pencil is so much cheaper and easier

:P

Borror0

It reminded me of that, but I just learned that NASA didn't really "spend millions on it" like I have heard before. Apparently it was developed separately and was superior because of no broken lead.

It makes the story a lot less absurd, if that is true

Vitaly

lol

right, these were two anecdotes

which simply illustrate the point

because there is real stuff that utilized maths and physics instead of technological innovation

Topol-M is a real example.

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