@DavidHammen, I didn't get your comment's implication. Can you rephrase?

@Rekesoft, but who's to judge? --- Koran and Hadith and local penal code.

@Rekesoft, this argument is going nowhere. You are missing the context. Irshad Manji calls herself a Muslim because the Canadian local penal code doesn't say anything about her Muslimhood. However, if she goes to a Muslim-majority country to give a talk on Islam as she gave in Head to Head with Mehedi Hasan, no one will accept her.

@Rekesoft, burning the Qur'an is one of the valid methods of Qur'an disposal; when a volume is severely damaged, in a mosque or a library, they are burnt. So considering Qur'an burning an offense is a choice. --- As an analogy, burning a living person and burning a dead body are not same.

@RyanJensen, In fact, the Quran itself repeatedly emphasizes the right to violate God's laws - Give me an example.

@Philipp, This answer sounds to me like a "no true Scotsman" argument. --- That really depends on if there is any proper definition of "true Scotsman" or not.

By this answer, if someone asked the question "Has a Muslim ever committed murder?", the answer would have to be "No, because the Quran firmly says that murder is wrong." But I do not think anyone would accept that as a helpful answer: obviously, there are people who adhere to all other elements of Muslim practice, who consider themselves Muslim and whom many in their community consider Muslim, who have committed murders, as with Christians or members of any other religion, and that is what people really would be asking about.

@Obie2.0, islam.stackexchange.com/a/73127/51833

@Obie2.0, what is your definition of Muslim?

Interesting answer w.r.t. to murder, so let's be more direct. The Quran has many verses that mandate that Muslims be kind in their words and actions. Would an answer saying that there are no Muslims who think it should be legal to be unkind to others make sense to you?

@Obie2.0, Suppose, someone named Mohammad drinks alcohol, eats pork, and is gay. Can he be considered as a Muslim?

@user366312 - If they identified as Muslim, I would probably go with it, whether their name was Mohammad or not. Same with any religion. But let me turn that around. Do you think there might be some gay Jews or gay Christians? Or are they all some kind of atheist?

@Obie2.0, I don't know about Jews and Christians. I can't comments on that.

@Obie2.0, If they identified as Muslim, I would probably go with it, whether their name was Mohammad or not. --- That was why I already wrote: "You cannot visualize Islam with a Western mindset." And, the reply to your comment is, NO, he is not a Muslim. In Muslim society, no sane Muslim will keep contact with him. He might have friends but they would be of the same species as him.

Western...interesting. Western society is more Christian, right? Christianity is a religion from the Middle East, the same general zone as Islam. They are both based on Judaism, even. Are you sure Western society does not in fact have a Middle Eastern mindset?

@Obie2.0, I can't comment on Christianity or Judaism.

And yet you seem to think you know the mindset of a society that originated in Christianity, since otherwise, how could you say it is incomparable with Islam? Interesting...interesting....

@Obie2.0, I never mentioned Christianity even once. I said Western. Western and Christianity are not the same.

No, they aren't. For instance, there are Western Muslims, like Mozibur up there, who argues against the right to burn Qurans based in part on the history of blasphemy and hate speech laws in Western countries. Yet you position the two as completely incompatible philosophically.

@Obie2.0, Again, no matter what prefix you use, be it Western, be it liberal, be it moderate, ... there is a red line. And, if someone crosses that red line, he is not a Muslim as per the definition of Islam.

@Obie2.0, I can't comment on what Muzibur Ullah or XYZ said. I am here to answer a question.

To be clear, when it comes to the definition of who is a Muslim, I should not trust my own interpretation of the Quran and Hadith, nor should I trust gay Muslims (too liberal) nor fundamentalist extremists like al Qaeda (too conservative). I should trust you, specifically. Right?

@Obie2.0, I should trust you, specifically. Right? --- NO. You trust answers based on the interpretation of the Quran and Hadith by an Islamic scholar. I just copy-pasted two answers from an Islamic scholar into my own answer.

@user366312 - But, like, a scholar that you agree with, surely? Not some kind of wishy-washy pro-LBGTQ mufti, right?

@Obie2.0, But, like, a scholar that you agree with, surely? Not some kind of wishy-washy pro-LBGTQ mufti, right? --- I don't know this person. So, I cannot comment. However, if he supports LGBTQ pride march, he is a fake Mufti, most probably a planted one by the Singaporean government.

Ah, so instead of taking your definition of Islam as the absolute truth, I need to take your definition of who is a Mufti as absolute truth (presumably based on your definition of what Islam is). Very different! Or perhaps "the Mufti will tell you what is truly Islamic, and what is truly Islamic will tell you who is the Mufti."

@Obie2.0, This chat is futile. You are going around in circles.

@user366312 No, the circular argument is the one that I mentioned in my last comment, which appears to be yours.

So, according to you, there cannot be any fake Mufti?

I would consult Al Azhar university if I were you.

@user366312 That would be the university that the Mufti I mentioned studied at.

I don't know this person.

There is a difference between a Mufti from a non-Muslim country and a Mufti from a Muslim majority country.

This person you mentioned has to keep a balance between his religion and the law of Singapore.

Singaporean law are not compatible with Islam.

See, this is what I mean. You say that it's not about agreeing with you as the arbiter of who is Muslim, but if a Mufti who studied at Al Azhar university says that X person can be Muslim and you do not agree, we are automatically back to me having to trust you as the arbiter.

I never said that. You are putting words into my mouth.

An Al Azhar graduated Mufti saying something is not the same as a ruling from Al Azhar university.

Those are two different authorities.

You have poor reasoning and argument capability.

I have a Chinese room mate just like you.

I am leaving the chat.

Bye.