Can you elaborate on that last point?

I don't understand the request.

"if you want zero to show up in the dative and ablative" <- that. Can you elaborate on that / explain what you mean?

I don't understand how it could be said any more clearly, so I still don't know what you're asking for. Which part is the confusing bit?

The part that suggests that only zerum has a dative and ablative. Is that true? Sources for that? Any further elaboration would be appreciated, because I've never heard of that before.

I don't mean to be rude because you're here a lot and generally extremely helpful for everyone. That said, reread what you wrote and see if it makes sense to yourself.

Nothing in anything I wrote suggests (or could possibly mean) that I think that the word zerum alone in all of Latin possesses a dative and ablative declension. I continue to not understand any of your reasoning or what your question is trying to ask.

Hi lly, maybe I'm misreading something, so I'd like to clarify what is written. You wrote that there are different versions of cipher in Neo-Latin, "and zerum if you want zero to show up in the dative and ablative." That means that none of the other ones have a dative or ablative form. That is the plain reading of that, and I'm unsure of reading it in any other way. If that's not what you meant, can you explain what you meant? I'm also not trying to be rude, but something isn't clear here.

That is not at all what that means and I don't understand how you could possibly parse it that way. Kindly try to walk me through that part.

Figured I'd take this to chat. "And [there's] zerum if you want zero to show up in the dative and ablative", or re-worded, "if you want zero [in English] to show up in the dative and ablative [in Latin], there's the form zerum.

I have no idea how that doesn't make sense to you, it's as plain English to me as anything!

No, that's not at all what those words mean.

Can you explain then why they don't. Walk me through it.

The [in English] part is entirely in your own head.

They all mean zero in English and English doesn't have a dative or ablative, really.

Remove the [in English] part that you added to what I was saying and see if you can get what I was actually saying.

Sorry, lly, I'm going to drop it, because I feel you're not taking this well. I think your words are very unclear and lead to confusion. I will not read your mind. Remember that the point of language is to communicate clearly, not to belittle others who are confused at what you wrote. Good day.

They aren't unclear

I'm not belittling anyone

but my words aren't the problem. The words you're adding in your own head were the problem.

Click through and look at the dative and ablative forms of zerum.

They are unclear. Please tell me in plain English what "if you want zero to show up in the dative and ablative" can possibly mean. Posting Wiktionary doesn't help here because you're missing the big point: your words themselves are confusing. Not the fact that the dat/abl of zerum is zero. That's obvious, but that's not what your words mean.

The words aren't confusing.

The dative and ablative of zerum is zero

You didn't say that though.

That is exactly what I was saying

You added words in your head which confused you

Then insulted me and left

I didn't add words, I tried to interpret words.

instead of just seeing the link that shows exactly what I was always saying

I told you to remove them

You insulted me and left instead of doing that

Anyway, you are normally a force for good

"reread what you wrote and see if it makes sense to yourself." If you think "your words are confusing, can you clarify" is insulting, I really cannot engage further.

and I'm annoyed that you had to be this unpleasant because you forgot how to decline 2nd declension neuter nouns for a bit

That isn't insulting

It was an honest request

There is no possible way my words mean what you're taking them to be

because the "in English" part is being added

It's zero in Latin

That's the entire point

@lly No, this is hilarious, because you misunderstand what I've said. It seems to me even deliberately. But "zerum if you want zero to show up in the dative and ablative" does not mean "the dative and ablative of zerum is zero".

Yes it does

Absolutely not.

It does xD

Whatever you think, man.

Ciao.

The letters z e r o

Alright, it's past midnight. Hopefully you'll realize the way you just misunderstood and apologize later. If not, eh, I know you're normally good xD Have good night.